Crysis 2 PC already ravaged by piracy!

I just hope Crysis 2 sells more than Cod black ops

siddarthshetty

Look I'm not denying PC-gaming is superior in many ways, just that games of the Crysis/COD/RDR type are more profitable to develope for PC (games like WOW are though). That theory fails to explain the way developers behave. I'm also not saying this is a good thing, on the contrary I'm all for technological advancement. However u can't deny the economic facts. Sushiglutton

Sales were low because it was a one hour install, it required registration to multiple sites, it was unrunable when it came out, and it didn't have a digital release. Figure it out.

GeneralShowzer

10,000=ravaged? :lol:

you also realize the version released is the beta? It's riddled with bugs, constanst freezing and other things.

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]Look I'm not denying PC-gaming is superior in many ways, just that games of the Crysis/COD/RDR type are more profitable to develope for PC (games like WOW are though). That theory fails to explain the way developers behave. I'm also not saying this is a good thing, on the contrary I'm all for technological advancement. However u can't deny the economic facts. GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]Look I'm not denying PC-gaming is superior in many ways, just that games of the Crysis/COD/RDR type are more profitable to develope for PC (games like WOW are though). That theory fails to explain the way developers behave. I'm also not saying this is a good thing, on the contrary I'm all for technological advancement. However u can't deny the economic facts. Sushiglutton

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]Look I'm not denying PC-gaming is superior in many ways, just that games of the Crysis/COD/RDR type are more profitable to develope for PC (games like WOW are though). That theory fails to explain the way developers behave. I'm also not saying this is a good thing, on the contrary I'm all for technological advancement. However u can't deny the economic facts. Sushiglutton

Unless you are CoD, going console exclusive will eventually lead to your studio closing.

Devs don't survive "console only", its proven time and time again. Guitar Hero is a recent example, RARE and AW are another.

The only way to surive as console-only is: a) repetitious action in a multiplayer environment that promotes solo play OR b) yearly re-hash of a proven concept (Madden X, CoD X, Guitar Hero X)

Making a game console exclusive generates higher revenue than making it PC exclusive (in the "big budget, block-buster" genre). Getting little more than ur money back was hardly the plan when investing $22M. Also they obv compare themselves with console developers, not just looking at their own roi.Sushiglutton

Imo if Crysis 1 was a 360 exclusive it would have been a disaster. I doubt it would reach 3.5 million like it did in pc.

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Making a game console exclusive generates higher revenue than making it PC exclusive (in the "big budget, block-buster" genre). Getting little more than ur money back was hardly the plan when investing $22M. Also they obv compare themselves with console developers, not just looking at their own roi.edidili

Imo if Crysis 1 was a 360 exclusive it would have been a disaster. I doubt it would reach 3.5 million like it did in pc.

Devs don't survive "console only", its proven time and time again. haberman13

And Crytek will still call foul.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]Devs don't survive "console only", its proven time and time again. dc337

Of course fighting and sports do well without pc. These games are meant to be played with a controller, it's a pain in the a.. playing these games with k/m.

It's like saying strategy games do not need consoles. Some genres are exclusives because they have to not because they want to.

[QUOTE="haberman13"]Devs don't survive "console only", its proven time and time again. dc337

[QUOTE="haberman13"]Devs don't survive "console only", its proven time and time again. dc337

True, fighting games (not console only, I have SFIV on Steam) do survive; but doesn't that prove my point? Yearly re-hash of an action-only solo game?

Sports games are the same thing, the EXACT same game, redone every year (to critical acclaim none-the-less)

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[QUOTE="haberman13"]Devs don't survive "console only", its proven time and time again. haberman13

True, fighting games (not console only, I have SFIV on Steam) do survive; but doesn't that prove my point? Yearly re-hash of an action-only solo game?

Sports games are the same thing, the EXACT same game, redone every year (to critical acclaim none-the-less)

More or less Console games rely on bought reviews and hype to keep on reselling rehashs and same IO's. Ever since CoD 4 every single game has sold less and less on Pc and or the community shrinks after the first few months. The problem is Pc gamers want Pc games not console games. Also about Crysis the 3 million+ sales and warhead numbers has not been updated since early 2009 and since then you had major DD Sales and price cuts on the game including the fact that more and more people are able to play the game compared to years prior. I wouldnt put pass it that Crysis has sold at least 5 million copies by now and Warhead over 2.5 million.

True, fighting games (not console only, I have SFIV on Steam) do survive; but doesn't that prove my point? Yearly re-hash of an action-only solo game? haberman13

Sports games are the same thing, the EXACT same game, redone every year (to critical acclaim none-the-less)haberman13

Even indy games like Braid and Super meat boy did not need pc ports to fund further development.

The beta equals the full version now? :|

Mystic-G

[QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

The beta equals the full version now? :|

mitu123

[QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

this is why the hermits lose their IPs. pretty sad really.

GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="siddarthshetty"]

I just hope Crysis 2 sells more than Cod black ops

APiranhaAteMyVa

its more halo than cod from what i can gather

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="taterfrickintot"]

this is why the hermits lose their IPs. pretty sad really.

taterfrickintot

Developers do not earn the full $60/$50 from a sold game. Furthermore, one downloaded copy is not one lost sale.

And yet Crysis 2 is number 3 on the Steam best sellers list outselling Assassins Creed and BulletStorm. No 3 and 4 on Direct2Drive (US and UK respectively) No 10 on Amazon (Germany) and outselling the Console versions there. Amazon UK Crysis 2 outselling Console versionscrozon

Just because someone downloads it off a torrent doesnt mean they wont buy the game. Killfox

Piracy is primarily used to avoid payment. Even 2D games that can be played on any pc have high piracy rates. The demo excuse is just another excuse.

[QUOTE="Killfox"]Just because someone downloads it off a torrent doesnt mean they wont buy the game. dc337

Piracy is primarily used to avoid payment. Even 2D games that can be played on any pc have high piracy rates. The demo excuse is just another excuse.

I have noticed the fact that you always bring the black ops thing everytime. As far as I know pirates can't play multiplayer in black ops and I never heard of anyone who buys that game for sp only.

[QUOTE="Killfox"]Just because someone downloads it off a torrent doesnt mean they wont buy the game. dc337

Piracy is primarily used to avoid payment. Even 2D games that can be played on any pc have high piracy rates. The demo excuse is just another excuse.

I see dc337 started the PC bashing as quickly as possible, in here like a fly to...

Anyway, is this really news? We all knew about the beta, we all saw people who still plan on buying the game on launch; giving their experience on the beta. Anyone who thinks this is a lost sale figure is a idiot, and I'll say that openly; because they are defying common sense. Not just common sense, but they were apparently absent while everyone was talking about it.

I illegally downloaded the first crysis. I wanted to see how my PC could run. Granite this was just before I bought my 4870 awhile back. Oh nos I teh pirate. Yet if you look at my steam games I legitimately bought and own Crysis and Crysis warhead. Just because someone downloads it off a torrent doesnt mean they wont buy the game. Like other people have said to. There are times I do it to really see if I even want this game or if its worth the purchase. I wish I had pirated FarCry2. That was the worst $50 spent next to lara croft angel of darkness. Killfox

Completely agree. Saints Row 2 was the worst $40 I ever spent on a pc game.

[QUOTE="crozon"]And yet Crysis 2 is number 3 on the Steam best sellers list outselling Assassins Creed and BulletStorm. No 3 and 4 on Direct2Drive (US and UK respectively) No 10 on Amazon (Germany) and outselling the Console versions there. Amazon UK Crysis 2 outselling Console versionsdc337

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[QUOTE="Killfox"]Just because someone downloads it off a torrent doesnt mean they wont buy the game. crozon

Piracy is primarily used to avoid payment. Even 2D games that can be played on any pc have high piracy rates. The demo excuse is just another excuse.

Piracy of a beta can't predict overall piracy rates or sales. Most pirates are likely waiting for the full version along with legit customers.

But I am predicting a piracy rate of over 50% for the pc version. I base that prediction on piracy rates of recent pc shooters.

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[QUOTE="crozon"]And yet Crysis 2 is number 3 on the Steam best sellers list outselling Assassins Creed and BulletStorm. No 3 and 4 on Direct2Drive (US and UK respectively) No 10 on Amazon (Germany) and outselling the Console versions there. Amazon UK Crysis 2 outselling Console versionsAPiranhaAteMyVa

[QUOTE="crozon"][QUOTE="dc337"] But most don't. Black OPs pc was pirated to hell and there wasn't a surge of sales later on.

Piracy is primarily used to avoid payment. Even 2D games that can be played on any pc have high piracy rates. The demo excuse is just another excuse.

dc337

Piracy of a beta can't predict overall piracy rates or sales. Most pirates are likely waiting for the full version along with legit customers.

But I am predicting a piracy rate of over 50% for the pc version. I base that prediction on piracy rates of recent pc shooters.

And those recent PC shooters are what exactly? Iantheone

[QUOTE="crozon"][QUOTE="dc337"] But most don't. Black OPs pc was pirated to hell and there wasn't a surge of sales later on.

Piracy is primarily used to avoid payment. Even 2D games that can be played on any pc have high piracy rates. The demo excuse is just another excuse.

dc337

Piracy of a beta can't predict overall piracy rates or sales. Most pirates are likely waiting for the full version along with legit customers.

But I am predicting a piracy rate of over 50% for the pc version. I base that prediction on piracy rates of recent pc shooters.

Pirates didn't "hold back" for the full release en masse, they would have downloaded this too, bandwidth is nothing for a pirate. The second "Crysis 2 was leaked" started appearing, pirates went in a frenzy - that frenzy fortunately is dramatically smaller than it used to be.

Over the past ~4 years piracy has become "persona non grata", only the doldrums of the internet will openly admit piracy anymore. 90% of PC gamers will tear pirates a new one when they admit it openly. I, and my 4 close PC gaming buddies, have never pirated and have always jumped on anyone that admits they do.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]And those recent PC shooters are what exactly? dc337

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[QUOTE="Killfox"]Just because someone downloads it off a torrent doesnt mean they wont buy the game. crozon

Piracy is primarily used to avoid payment. Even 2D games that can be played on any pc have high piracy rates. The demo excuse is just another excuse.

Or will they wait for the proper pirate version?

The answer to piracy is simple: DRM/Steam/etc.

Blops - you CANNOT play online with a pirated copy, same with BC2, same probably with Crysis 2

Piracy is on its way out.

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[QUOTE="Iantheone"]And those recent PC shooters are what exactly? Iantheone

The answer to piracy is simple: DRM/Steam/etc.

Blops - you CANNOT play online with a pirated copy, same with BC2, same probably with Crysis 2

Piracy is on its way out.

haberman13

Yes you can, but there are so few servers and some very crappy conditions that basically pirates only do it for the single player. For multiplayer focused games piracy is almost pointless, people are better of buying the real thing. People who still do it anyways can only dubiously be counted as a lost sale.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="dc337"] Most pc shooters this gen have had piracy rates of over 50% including Crysis. Black OPs pc broke a piracy record actually.

dc337

I never said piracy wasnt a problem, I was just wondering where youre getting your facts from.

Also, there have been quite a few PC games out in the past couple of years. The only ones that your links show are the worst case scenarios.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"][QUOTE="dc337"] Most pc shooters this gen have had piracy rates of over 50% including Crysis. Black OPs pc broke a piracy record actually.

dc337

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Mystic-G"]

The beta equals the full version now? :|

APiranhaAteMyVa