Crysis has over stayed its welcome....

[QUOTE="readingfc_1"][QUOTE="Respawn-d"]

No its arguing whose the best ON CONSOLES.

lowe0

Yes, so why do people constantly disdain from acknowledging people using terms like 'Console exclusive' or 'Console only conversation'?

[QUOTE="clone01"]you openly call people consolite idiots, yet PC elitism is completely okay?AnnoyedDragon

So you have decided that I am calling all console gamers consolite idiots; and that I am saying PC elitism is ok? Where you have gotten this from I don't know, apparently I cannot refer to consolites without someone deciding on my behalf that I am referring to all console gamers in existence. As for the last bit I'd love for you to point out where I claimed one elitism is ok but another is not.

I don't like it when people twist my words to mean something they are not meant to. In fact I think it is you who is being more insulting, I was referring to a specific segment of a group; while you have decided to paint the entire group with that label.

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] And.......... I siad exclusive i have almost every good game on that list, lol 1% of those were not multiplaiteAdvid-Gamer

Tab between the platforms and compare the exclusive count. :roll:

Come on dude give me a fn break:roll: Sorry but in the last 3 years console exclusives have been better the pc exclusives plain ans simple. My gaming pc is only 1 year ols and I have money, I can afford all the good games if there were any, to me it seems there are not many good exclusives realeased. I have already reasearched and bought all the must have pc games, I am nit trying to brag but like I said I have money.

That's purely subjective. You may have liked the better, but the fact remains, there are many, many more high scoring exclusives than that of the consoles (AAE and up).

Who cares if you have money, so do a lot of people. Stop trying to brag about your supposed money and get over yourself.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] Rea\ly? I own a pc and consoles and so far it seems games like Gow3. Halo, gears and uncharted, what exclusives does the pc have that re better? Just so you knoe I have them all so dont try and BS meAdvid-Gamer

Are you going to compare 2 gaming system to 1?

What does having one system have to do with being poor or with that I said...

[QUOTE="Dataleak"]

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] Yea, well list them them because I have a wall full of mulitplaits, I own, wow, crysis, stalker, anything Im missing? because I need a game to play.Advid-Gamer

Gamespot Spreadsheet.

And you'll find less exclusive for each consoles...

That's because consolites are ******. The term is used to describe a segment of the console fanbase that are willfully ignorant, offensive and desire the downfall of none console platforms for whatever reason.Your problem is you are using the term to describe console users rather than what it is meant for, describing a fanatical minority. If I was referring to console gamers as a whole I'll say console gamers, not consolites.

As for me being elitist, it just further convinces me that "elitist" is the label given to PC gamers who are right. It is a fact, with various evidence available, that PC games that come in contact with the console platform are simplified in some manner; were as the reverse isn't true. It is a fact that a console is not as powerful as a gaming PC, it is a fact that 512mb of vram can store more information than 256mb of vram. These are all facts, but when I say them; I'm called a elitist.

Therefore the impression I'm given is all that is required of a elititism label is knowing what you are talking about. Where as being willingly ignorant seems to be passively tolerated in SW, such as the people who insist PC gaming is dying; no matter how much evidence of the contrary being provided.

Now is that all?

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="moistsandwich"]

Why don't you stop hyping a mediocre game with pretty visuals as being something it isn't? Is Crysis the 1st and only FPS you've played? If so then I guess I understand why its so great to you.

moistsandwich

Why do you keep re-iterating that Crysis isn't what I say it is? You really seem determined to try and prove to everyone how much you like Crysis' gameplay and find it to be something special.

See what I did there. My opinion is just my opinion, but yours is JUST yours.

I see a constant praising of the game around here, so I feel the need to inform the populous of SW's that Crysis is not the be all SUPREMO GAME they might think it is... if no one challenged those who praise it, then everyone who hasn't played it, would be under the impression that its impossible to dislike the game... and thats simply not true.

Anyone thats not a Graphics Whore, knows the truth about Crysis. There is nothing inherintly wrong with the games mechanics... its just the game has NO personality.... no SOUL if you will. I'll take Bioshock, Halo or CoD over Crysis and day of the week.

Anyone saying CoD has better gameplay than Crysis needs to take a look at this video, it shows exactly how I feel.

not really...you seem to be more concerned with the tech aspects than the fun factor of the game.clone01

So I mention technical knowledge and now my only concern is the tech aspect of games?

How long are you going to keep grabbing assumptions out of the air just so you have a excuse to criticise?

An average game with the only memorable quality being its graphics.

[QUOTE="clone01"]not really...you seem to be more concerned with the tech aspects than the fun factor of the game.AnnoyedDragon

So I mention technical knowledge and now my only concern is the tech aspect of games?

How long are you going to keep grabbing assumptions out of the air just so you have a excuse to criticise?

An average game with the only memorable quality being its graphics.

fueled-system

I enjoy its gameplay more then graphics to be honest :D

An average game with the only memorable quality being its graphics.

fueled-system

This must be a joke. Its got some of hte best gameplay of all time for FPS.

The highlight of the Crysis series is not even graphics, if you played it you would know its the gameplay just as much as graphics.

An average game with the only memorable quality being its graphics.

fueled-system

i'm not grabbing at assumptions...just looking through your posting history, and i've never really seen you call a game "fun." you are more than willing to compare tech aspects. fine if that's your thing. btw, addressing your elitism, i once remember you calling me ignorant for not liking crysis.clone01

It's better to look at what I am saying now than to rip impressions out of my posting history... If I called you ignorant it's probably because you offered a stereotypical anti Crysis opinion. If someone says Crysis is generic; they are trolling, there is nothing generic about Crysis. Generic is a accusation that can be put to the test, it's not subjective. I don't know why people insist on saying things about Crysis that are obviously not true by any comparison.

Seeing this is SW, when was the last time you saw a thread about fun? Fun is one of the most highly subjective topics that could enter SW; and hence isn't going to be the most popular. So because I don't discuss a topic that hardly ever enters SW, I don't care about fun? How about from now on you look at what I am saying now rather than pulling impressions out of my posting history,

[QUOTE="clone01"]i'm not grabbing at assumptions...just looking through your posting history, and i've never really seen you call a game "fun." you are more than willing to compare tech aspects. fine if that's your thing. btw, addressing your elitism, i once remember you calling me ignorant for not liking crysis.AnnoyedDragon

It's better to look at what I am saying now than to rip impressions out of my posting history... If I called you ignorant it's probably because you offered a stereotypical anti Crysis opinion. If someone says Crysis is generic; they are trolling, there is nothing generic about Crysis. Generic is a accusation that can be put to the test, it's not subjective. I don't know why people insist on saying things about Crysis that are obviously not true by any comparison.

Seeing this is SW, when was the last time you saw a thread about fun? Fun is one of the most highly subjective topics that could enter SW; and hence isn't going to be the most popular. So because I don't discuss a topic that hardly ever enters SW, I don't care about fun? How about from now on you look at what I am saying now rather than pulling impressions out of my posting history,

no, if someone says crysis is generic, its because their opinion is that crysis is generic. and all i need to do is read your latest blog for a good idea of your opinions.clone01

Perhaps I need to repeat myself. Generic is not an opinion, it's a claim. In order for something to be generic it has to be widespread and common, run of the mill. To call Crysis generic you have to make a argument as to why it isn't special in any way, which would be outright dishonest. Corridor level design, running from one scripted event to the other, these are traits I would associate with generic.

Crysis is one of the few FPS in existence that takes you off the invisible rail and let's you approach objectives as you wish. The side effect of that is players with little imagination, who play too many scripted corridor shooters, use that freedom to play the game like all the rest. These are often the people who call the game generic, how can you fault the sandbox for it's unimaginative player? People like that stunt gaming because all they want is interactive movies.

As for my latest blog, at least you are going by something I have actually said instead of a assumption.

[QUOTE="clone01"]no, if someone says crysis is generic, its because their opinion is that crysis is generic. and all i need to do is read your latest blog for a good idea of your opinions.AnnoyedDragon

Perhaps I need to repeat myself. Generic is not an opinion, it's a claim. In order for something to be generic it has to be widespread and common, run of the mill. To call Crysis generic you have to make a argument as to why it isn't special in any way, which would be outright dishonest. Corridor level design, running from one scripted event to the other, these are traits I would associate with generic.

Crysis is one of the few FPS in existence that takes you off the invisible rail and let's you approach objectives as you wish. The side effect of that is players with little imagination, who play too many scripted corridor shooters, use that freedom to play the game like all the rest. These are often the people who call the game generic, how can you fault the sandbox for it's unimaginative player? People like that stunt gaming because all they want is interactive movies.

As for my latest blog, at least you are going by something I have actually said instead of a assumption.

generic can be both opinion and claim.clone01

I reject the idea that someone can just call Crysis generic; and then put up a opinion shield to protect themselves from having to justify what they just said. I have seen far too many of them jump into a thread just to bash the game; then they disappear without giving any justification. Pages and pages of claims that never get elaborated on. I get the impression at least some of these "generic, run of the mill, mediocre" people are those who tried to attack the games graphics, so having failed; turned to attacking its game play instead.

Crysis is a very inconvenient game if you want to declare your console the most powerful gaming system available, so you get threads like this trying to come up with some sort of rational to remove it from comparison. The age of the game isn't really a suitable argument when we are still within the same console generation that the game was released.

Crysis has been rewarded and praised for its achievements, both in professional and user reviews, yet it never seems to be enough for some people to stop them bashing it. You argue with them enough and eventually they paint you with their own fanaticism, you won't convert to their way of thinking; so they accuse you of thinking the game is perfect in every way. They pretend your views are extreme so it's easier for them to disregard them, even though you were just trying to get them to justify their own views.

[QUOTE="clone01"]generic can be both opinion and claim.AnnoyedDragon

I reject the idea that someone can just call Crysis generic; and then put up a opinion shield to protect themselves from having to justify what they just said. I have seen far too many of them jump into a thread just to bash the game; then they disappear without giving any justification. Pages and pages of claims that never get elaborated on. I get the impression at least some of these "generic, run of the mill, mediocre" people are those who tried to attack the games graphics, so having failed; turned to attacking its game play instead.

Crysis is a very inconvenient game if you want to declare your console the most powerful gaming system available, so you get threads like this trying to come up with some sort of rational to remove it from comparison. The age of the game isn't really a suitable argument when we are still within the same console generation that the game was released.

Crysis has been rewarded and praised for its achievements, both in professional and user reviews, yet it never seems to be enough for some people to stop them bashing it. You argue with them enough and eventually they paint you with their own fanaticism, you won't convert to their way of thinking; so they accuse you of thinking the game is perfect in every way. They pretend your views are extreme so it's easier for them to disregard them, even though you were just trying to get them to justify their own views.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="clone01"]generic can be both opinion and claim.clone01

I reject the idea that someone can just call Crysis generic; and then put up a opinion shield to protect themselves from having to justify what they just said. I have seen far too many of them jump into a thread just to bash the game; then they disappear without giving any justification. Pages and pages of claims that never get elaborated on. I get the impression at least some of these "generic, run of the mill, mediocre" people are those who tried to attack the games graphics, so having failed; turned to attacking its game play instead.

Crysis is a very inconvenient game if you want to declare your console the most powerful gaming system available, so you get threads like this trying to come up with some sort of rational to remove it from comparison. The age of the game isn't really a suitable argument when we are still within the same console generation that the game was released.

Crysis has been rewarded and praised for its achievements, both in professional and user reviews, yet it never seems to be enough for some people to stop them bashing it. You argue with them enough and eventually they paint you with their own fanaticism, you won't convert to their way of thinking; so they accuse you of thinking the game is perfect in every way. They pretend your views are extreme so it's easier for them to disregard them, even though you were just trying to get them to justify their own views.

okay, so you reject the idea. that would be opinion, just like my view is opinion.clone01

What part of "this game does nothing special, it is like everything else out there" is an opinion? You are making a statement, a claim about the contents of the game. Every review and impression talks about what it does that other games do not; and that is why it was praised and rewarded so much.

You are making a accusation of the game and have made no attempt to elaborate on what about the game makes you think that way. Calling it a opinion is not a convenient way of getting away with saying something without having to justify it.

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

An average game with the only memorable quality being its graphics.

Arach666

Yes, because Crysis being excellent is UNDENIABLE FACT!!!!!!!!!

:roll:

Yes, because Crysis being excellent is UNDENIABLE FACT!!!!!!!!!

:roll:

789shadow

Don't you think you are being a tad unfair? You object to them rejecting the accusation that Crysis is "average"; but you are not going to question the person who called it average?

This is a two way street, the people criticising Crysis have to justify their arguments just as much as those who are arguing for it.

[QUOTE="clone01"]generic can be both opinion and claim.AnnoyedDragon

I reject the idea that someone can just call Crysis generic; and then put up a opinion shield to protect themselves from having to justify what they just said. I have seen far too many of them jump into a thread just to bash the game; then they disappear without giving any justification. Pages and pages of claims that never get elaborated on. I get the impression at least some of these "generic, run of the mill, mediocre" people are those who tried to attack the games graphics, so having failed; turned to attacking its game play instead.

Crysis is a very inconvenient game if you want to declare your console the most powerful gaming system available, so you get threads like this trying to come up with some sort of rational to remove it from comparison. The age of the game isn't really a suitable argument when we are still within the same console generation that the game was released.

Crysis has been rewarded and praised for its achievements, both in professional and user reviews, yet it never seems to be enough for some people to stop them bashing it. You argue with them enough and eventually they paint you with their own fanaticism, you won't convert to their way of thinking; so they accuse you of thinking the game is perfect in every way. They pretend your views are extreme so it's easier for them to disregard them, even though you were just trying to get them to justify their own views.

This thread wasn't created to remove Crysis from comparisons. It was a sort of joke thread, claiming Crysis has over stayed it's welcome on the graphics king throne, and Crysis 2 is almost among us to be the successor. I should have taken more time to word it better. :P

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="fueled-system"]

An average game with the only memorable quality being its graphics.

789shadow

Yes, because Crysis being excellent is UNDENIABLE FACT!!!!!!!!!

:roll:

It's certainly better then Kingdom Hearts. :roll:

[QUOTE="clone01"]okay, so you reject the idea. that would be opinion, just like my view is opinion.AnnoyedDragon

What part of "this game does nothing special, it is like everything else out there" is an opinion? You are making a statement, a claim about the contents of the game. Every review and impression talks about what it does that other games do not; and that is why it was praised and rewarded so much.

You are making a accusation of the game and have made no attempt to elaborate on what about the game makes you think that way. Calling it a opinion is not a convenient way of getting away with saying something without having to justify it.

[QUOTE="clone01"]no, if someone says crysis is generic, its because their opinion is that crysis is generic. and all i need to do is read your latest blog for a good idea of your opinions.AnnoyedDragon

Perhaps I need to repeat myself. Generic is not an opinion, it's a claim. In order for something to be generic it has to be widespread and common, run of the mill. To call Crysis generic you have to make a argument as to why it isn't special in any way, which would be outright dishonest. Corridor level design, running from one scripted event to the other, these are traits I would associate with generic.

Crysis is one of the few FPS in existence that takes you off the invisible rail and let's you approach objectives as you wish. The side effect of that is players with little imagination, who play too many scripted corridor shooters, use that freedom to play the game like all the rest. These are often the people who call the game generic, how can you fault the sandbox for it's unimaginative player? People like that stunt gaming because all they want is interactive movies.

As for my latest blog, at least you are going by something I have actually said instead of a assumption.

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Yes, because Crysis being excellent is UNDENIABLE FACT!!!!!!!!!

:roll:

AnnoyedDragon

Don't you think you are being a tad unfair? You object to them rejecting the accusation that Crysis is "average"; but you are not going to question the person who called it average?

This is a two way street, the people criticising Crysis have to justify their arguments just as much as those who are arguing for it.

you could say the same thing about halo, uncharted 2, half life 2, gow 3, or any slew of games. i don't understand why you find my dislike of crysis so upsetting.clone01

Someone can dislike it as much as they want, but it doesn't give them the right to claim whatever they want about the game; and then simply claim "it's just my opinion" when asked to elaborate on their accusations against it.

So many people accuse Crysis of being a average game. If they honestly believe that; then they shouldn't have any problems explaining why they think it is average. Refusing to explain themselves; and hiding behind their opinion like it exempts them from justifying their accusations makes them look like they are just criticising for the sake of criticism.

i don't like onions. some people love them. my opinion is that i don't like onions. am i "wrong" for that assumption?clone01

You are free to dislike onions, you are not free to claim onions make you go blind. There is a difference between disliking something and making a claim about it. Dislike is a personal taste that varies from person to person, claiming they damage your eyesight is something that can be looked at and confirmed/unconfirmed.

But what if you confirmed that onions don't make you go blind and have various evidence proving it doesn't happen, but they still claim onions make you go blind regardless? That no amount of evidence that you show them will prove otherwise, because it is their opinion that onions make people go blind; and you cannot question their opinion. On top of this they refuse to provide any of their own evidence that onions make you go blind, they feel fully justified in making the claim without any justifications to support it; because it's just their opinion.

Obviously you would object to this person because they are making a claim about onions, not expressing a opinion.

You are free to dislike onions, you are not free to claim onions make you go blind. There is a difference between disliking something and making a claim about it. Dislike is a personal taste that varies from person to person, claiming they damage your eyesight is something that can be looked at and confirmed/unconfirmed.

But what if you confirmed that onions don't make you go blind and have various evidence proving it doesn't happen, but they still claim onions make you go blind regardless? That no amount of evidence that you show them will prove otherwise, because it is their opinion that onions make people go blind; and you cannot question their opinion. On top of this they refuse to provide any of their own evidence that onions make you go blind, they feel fully justified in making the claim without any justifications to support it; because it's just their opinion.

Obviously you would object to this person because they are making a claim about onions, not expressing a opinion.

AnnoyedDragon

that's an incorrect analogy. generic is still a subjective term, unlike blindness, which is a quantifiable medical condition. again, why do you care so much about my opinion?

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]You are free to dislike onions, you are not free to claim onions make you go blind. There is a difference between disliking something and making a claim about it. Dislike is a personal taste that varies from person to person, claiming they damage your eyesight is something that can be looked at and confirmed/unconfirmed.

But what if you confirmed that onions don't make you go blind and have various evidence proving it doesn't happen, but they still claim onions make you go blind regardless? That no amount of evidence that you show them will prove otherwise, because it is their opinion that onions make people go blind; and you cannot question their opinion. On top of this they refuse to provide any of their own evidence that onions make you go blind, they feel fully justified in making the claim without any justifications to support it; because it's just their opinion.

Obviously you would object to this person because they are making a claim about onions, not expressing a opinion.

clone01

that's an incorrect analogy. generic is still a subjective term, unlike blindness, which is a quantifiable medical condition. again, why do you care so much about my opinion?

But there is hard evidence that Crysis isn't generic, which is proven by it's gameplay. It's fact that it does stuff never seen in a game before.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]You are free to dislike onions, you are not free to claim onions make you go blind. There is a difference between disliking something and making a claim about it. Dislike is a personal taste that varies from person to person, claiming they damage your eyesight is something that can be looked at and confirmed/unconfirmed.

But what if you confirmed that onions don't make you go blind and have various evidence proving it doesn't happen, but they still claim onions make you go blind regardless? That no amount of evidence that you show them will prove otherwise, because it is their opinion that onions make people go blind; and you cannot question their opinion. On top of this they refuse to provide any of their own evidence that onions make you go blind, they feel fully justified in making the claim without any justifications to support it; because it's just their opinion.

Obviously you would object to this person because they are making a claim about onions, not expressing a opinion.

Dataleak

that's an incorrect analogy. generic is still a subjective term, unlike blindness, which is a quantifiable medical condition. again, why do you care so much about my opinion?

But there is hard evidence that Crysis isn't generic, which is proven by it's gameplay. It's fact that it does stuff never seen in a game before.

Crysis: All show, no fun.

Don`t you guys get bored of this? It seems that anytime Crysis is in a thread title it`s a guarantee 100+ post thread.

that's an incorrect analogy. generic is still a subjective term, unlike blindness, which is a quantifiable medical condition. again, why do you care so much about my opinion?

clone01

You are the one who has deemed it subjective, despite average/generic referring to identifiable traits that can be compared with games; determining if they are generic or not.

Corridor level design is average, run and gun game play is average, moving from one scripted event to another is average, getting a selection of pre-defined weapons is average. Crysis has a variety of traits that makes it stand out over the "average" game, traits that are not subjective; because they are recognised in both professional and user reviews and the game has received rewards for them.

YOU want it to be a opinion so you can criticise Crysis; and not have to explain yourself. I don't care about your personal preferences, what I'm talking about is the unteenth SW user to make accusations against Crysis; then refuse to explain why they think that way about it.

Talked enough for now, may continue later.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

that's an incorrect analogy. generic is still a subjective term, unlike blindness, which is a quantifiable medical condition. again, why do you care so much about my opinion?

You are the one who has deemed it subjective, despite average/generic referring to identifiable traits that can be compared with games; determining if they are generic or not.

Corridor level design is average, run and gun game play is average, moving from one scripted event to another is average, getting a selection of pre-defined weapons is average. Crysis has a variety of traits that makes it stand out over the "average" game, traits that are not subjective; because they are recognised in both professional and user reviews and the game has received rewards for them.

YOU want it to be a opinion so you can criticise Crysis; and not have to explain yourself. I don't care about your personal preferences, what I'm talking about is the unteenth SW user to make accusations against Crysis; then refuse to explain why they think that way about it.

Talked enough for now, may continue later.

[QUOTE="clone01"]

that's an incorrect analogy. generic is still a subjective term, unlike blindness, which is a quantifiable medical condition. again, why do you care so much about my opinion?

You are the one who has deemed it subjective, despite average/generic referring to identifiable traits that can be compared with games; determining if they are generic or not.

Corridor level design is average, run and gun game play is average, moving from one scripted event to another is average, getting a selection of pre-defined weapons is average. Crysis has a variety of traits that makes it stand out over the "average" game, traits that are not subjective; because they are recognised in both professional and user reviews and the game has received rewards for them.

YOU want it to be a opinion so you can criticise Crysis; and not have to explain yourself. I don't care about your personal preferences, what I'm talking about is the unteenth SW user to make accusations against Crysis; then refuse to explain why they think that way about it.

Talked enough for now, may continue later.

Maximum damage control.SparkyProtocol

Lol, I see what you did there.

The TC better activate Maximum Armor before it's too late. :P

Either way if its an opinion or a claim I don't care but calling something generic then running away with no explanation makes your opinion on the game weak. Not all opinions are equal someone who puts thought into their opinion and has justification has a much better opinion then someone who says 'because I feel that way'6matt6

Hermits got noting else. Thats why it wont go away.

Nah, just kidding...

......OR AM I.:P

[QUOTE="6matt6"]Either way if its an opinion or a claim I don't care but calling something generic then running away with no explanation makes your opinion on the game weak. Not all opinions are equal someone who puts thought into their opinion and has justification has a much better opinion then someone who says 'because I feel that way'clone01

Maybe you should read peoples posts CAREFULLY before you reply. I never said your not allowed an opinion nor did I even imply it I simply stated that opinions are judged by how well you justify them.

Good and bad opinions exist you know.

Also see where I bolded. How am I to take that statement seriously? If you don't see why thats a bad argument allow me to demostrate.

''Half-lIfe is generic because your a guy who gets in a power suit and you save the world from aliens''

All I could read was bla bla bla, you pc gamers defend crysis like it gave birth to your children.

Advid-Gamer

Or simply because it's a great game that gets way to much flak.

[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"]

All I could read was bla bla bla, you pc gamers defend crysis like it gave birth to your children.

lundy86_4

Or simply because it's a great game that gets way to much flak.