David Jaffe says rentals and used games 'takes away' from sales.

WOW...It took this David fella to tell the world that renting and used games takes away from new sales? Our country really that stupid or what?

They do 'take away' from sales, but so do used cars, books, CDs and anything you buy used--the video game industry is just being greedy and trying to find a loophole so that they can make more money.

Devs need to STFU about this, imo. Renting and buying used is perfectly within the rights of gamers. Devs/publishers need to get over it. It's not like this is a new thing.

DarkLink77

thank you. i couldn't agree more. may be if these devs/publishers spent less time b----ing and more time making games worth their price people would hesitate paying for it. let's not forget it's these same douchebags that fel that every game "deserves" a limited/collectors/special edition just so that they could charge between $70 to $150 per copy. f'n ripoff.

WOW...It took this David fella to tell the world that renting and used games takes away from new sales? Our country really that stupid or what?

VanDammFan

did you not notice the "tea parties" or sarah palin or the assheaded conservatives? yeah, this country if full of morons. david jaffe is just showing off his new membership card.

dear devs please stop making 6 hour (gameplay wise) games that could be completed in one overnight rental madworld, re5, re: uc, re: dc, Assassin's creed

fugwit

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]Why is it that this is the one industry where this is such a big problem? DarkLink77

Yes they do but i don't care.

I just bought BioShock 2 used today and rented Skate 2 (they were out of Skate 3). I'm not going to dish out $60 for every game that i want to play.

and i say to david, cool story hansel

Yeah, I weep for all of those lost profits. :roll:

Seriously, who gives a flying ****? If a few corporations eat it, I'll still be playing games. Independent game development is alive and well, and gaming is well established as an entertainment medium; it isn't going to crash and burn tomorrow, or dissappear, or anything.

I couldn't care less about how well EA, and Activision, and Ubisoft are doing; screw them, and screw the mindset that says they deserve even a modicum of our sympathy.

Stop releasing piss quality games with no replayability for $60. Stop burning your customers with draconian anti-piracy measures. Stop whining about rentals and used games as if you actually think anyone gives a **** about your quarterly reports.

Adapt, fight for the consumer's money, and give them reasons to make a full purchase, or shut the hell up.

jethrovegas

This. For the love of all that is good and holy, this.

Yeah, I weep for all of those lost profits. :roll:

Seriously, who gives a flying ****? If a few corporations eat it, I'll still be playing games. Independent game development is alive and well, and gaming is well established as an entertainment medium; it isn't going to crash and burn tomorrow, or dissappear, or anything.

I couldn't care less about how well EA, and Activision, and Ubisoft are doing; screw them, and screw the mindset that says they deserve even a modicum of our sympathy.

Stop releasing piss quality games with no replayability for $60. Stop burning your customers with draconian anti-piracy measures. Stop whining about rentals and used games as if you actually think anyone gives a **** about your quarterly reports.

Adapt, fight for the consumer's money, and give them reasons to make a full purchase, or shut the hell up.

jethrovegas

We've been able to buy used games for a VERY long time. WHy is it a problem now??? Oh wait.. its NOT. They are just going to make it one so that they can somehow manage to ban it.

My limited salary is also 'taking away' from their sales.

When are they going to address my limited salary?

Well, hopefully he hops on board the Digital-Download-Only train.

I mean I don't really get why these devs complain about it when they have the power to change the way the industry does business.

Well, hopefully he hops on board the Digital-Download-Only train.

I mean I don't really get why these devs complain about it when they have the power to change the way the industry does business.

treedoor

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]Why is it that this is the one industry where this is such a big problem? SaltyMeatballs

SaltyMeatballs

Devs need to STFU about this, imo. Renting and buying used is perfectly within the rights of gamers. Devs/publishers need to get over it. It's not like this is a new thing.

DarkLink77

this kind of stuff makes me angry. If developers don't want consumers to buy used games or rent new ones then make better games. Normally if i rent a game and really enjoy it i'll buy it but if the game is really short and easy i'll rent it and be done with it.

stop making games for console, move on to pc and digital distribution.

well what the hell they expect? not everyone has well paying jobs where they can afford every $60 game that comes out.LP4EVA2005

[QUOTE="LP4EVA2005"]well what the hell they expect? not everyone has well paying jobs where they can afford every $60 game that comes out.Nintendo_Ownes7

I don't understand this sentiment. If you buy used, you look at the game disc before you walk out of the store. Period. If you don't, then it's pretty much your fault for getting home with a crap disc.

And if you're buying used online... well, don't buy from non-retailers.

Yeah, I weep for all of those lost profits. :roll:

Seriously, who gives a flying ****? If a few corporations eat it, I'll still be playing games. Independent game development is alive and well, and gaming is well established as an entertainment medium; it isn't going to crash and burn tomorrow, or dissappear, or anything.

I couldn't care less about how well EA, and Activision, and Ubisoft are doing; screw them, and screw the mindset that says they deserve even a modicum of our sympathy.

Stop releasing piss quality games with no replayability for $60. Stop burning your customers with draconian anti-piracy measures. Stop whining about rentals and used games as if you actually think anyone gives a **** about your quarterly reports.

Adapt, fight for the consumer's money, and give them reasons to make a full purchase, or shut the hell up.

jethrovegas

Hell yes, this, this and more this.

well what the hell they expect? not everyone has well paying jobs where they can afford every $60 game that comes out.LP4EVA2005

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="LP4EVA2005"]well what the hell they expect? not everyone has well paying jobs where they can afford every $60 game that comes out.Greyfeld

I don't understand this sentiment. If you buy used, you look at the game disc before you walk out of the store. Period. If you don't, then it's pretty much your fault for getting home with a crap disc.

And if you're buying used online... well, don't buy from non-retailers.

Since there is such a large market for used games, that means the devs and publishers are doing something wrong. It's obvious that there are a lot of gamers who feel that the final product of what they are making simply isn't worth what they think it is.

It's not even a question that used games take away from sales. Think about the mass scale people that buy used games from Gamestop merely because it's $6-$7 cheaper.

Devs need to STFU about this, imo. Renting and buying used is perfectly within the rights of gamers. Devs/publishers need to get over it. It's not like this is a new thing.

DarkLink77

Since there is such a large market for used games, that means the devs and publishers are doing something wrong. It's obvious that there are a lot of gamers who feel that the final product of what they are making simply isn't worth what they think it is.

Bigboi500

God these game industry people are the worst, they wanna make us feel guilty for everything, like we are evil for trying out a game first before we wanna buy it.. Seriously stfu

What a load of crap... its purely because people want something for cheaper, nothing to do with the quality of the games.Birdy09

yea I can see why "IMO" works perfectly for you.... because used games benefit you, not the developers, the same as piracy... only your profiting off yours ;)Birdy09

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Since there is such a large market for used games, that means the devs and publishers are doing something wrong. It's obvious that there are a lot of gamers who feel that the final product of what they are making simply isn't worth what they think it is.

Birdy09

Not saying they're the same ethically, but if the game isn't what you feel it's worth then how about you rent it instead of buying it? If you buy it used or new, you obviously feel the game has worth to even own it. Mystic-G

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]What a load of crap... its purely because people want something for cheaper, nothing to do with the quality of the games.IronBass

yea I can see why "IMO" works perfectly for you.... because used games benefit you, not the developers, the same as piracy... only your profiting off yours ;)Birdy09

1) ... so your saying in order to get thier full retail price from us the consumer... is to offer a game with enough re playability to last forever? ALOT of people dont play games through again regaurdless of how much they enjoyed it... hell some of my favourite SP and MP games have been shelved for years... or sold off or just forgottent, "collectors" that take pride in that stuff are a very few minority.... Well I guess i should of been able to pay £10 instead of £45 for Halo 3 since its 6 hour SP and boring online (to me) wasnt worth that price in my opinion? Its just a double standard as usual.... The reason the games are not kept is called money........ when theres an oppurtunity to recover lost money any reasonable consumor will do so at the expense of anyone else.... theres no working around this truth.... same applies to piracy.. "games not good enough to buy" is like saying "Ok I dont like [food name here] but il steal it and eat it anyway, because I want it...."

2) ... what do you mean "not really" ... YES REALLY, the very fact that the person selling the game is denying the developers that £40 ... and giving some random shop that £35 ... while only gaining £10-15..... 1 used game could go in circulation 10+ times.... meaning 10 less sales were made for the developer. And why? because the consumor thinks it should be allowed to buy a game for £40 and earn £35 of that back... hypocrisy....

Well it looks like we have a genius here.

1) ... so your saying in order to get thier full retail price from us the consumer... is to offer a game with enough re playability to last forever? ALOT of people dont play games through again regaurdless of how much they enjoyed it... hell some of my favourite SP and MP games have been shelved for years... or sold off or just forgottent, "collectors" that take pride in that stuff are a very few minority.... Well I guess i should of been able to pay £10 instead of £45 for Halo 3 since its 6 hour SP and boring online (to me) wasnt worth that price in my opinion? Its just a double standard as usual.... The reason the games are not kept is called money........ when theres an oppurtunity to recover lost money any reasonable consumor will do so at the expense of anyone else.... theres no working around this truth.... same applies to piracy.. "games not good enough to buy" is like saying "Ok I dont like [food name here] but il steal it and eat it anyway, because I want it...."

2) ... what do you mean "not really" ... YES REALLY, the very fact that the person selling the game is denying the developers that £40 ... and giving some random shop that £35 ... while only gaining £10-15..... 1 used game could go in circulation 10+ times.... meaning 10 less sales were made for the developer. And why? because the consumor thinks it should be allowed to buy a game for £40 and earn £35 of that back... hypocrisy....

Birdy09

1) No, I did not said that. I said that it's the developer's problem to care for the customer, not the other way around. If they want people to get their games new/not sell them, they have to make it worth it, not the other around.

2) The dev already got their share of the$60 when the game was bought brand new. So they alredy benefited for the sale of that copy. What people do with that copy after that does not change that the dev already benefited from it.

Gee, the devs and publishers have finally found themselves a new scapegoat it seems. I'm not even gonna go and give arguments as to why they need to shove it, as I did countless times in the previous threads about this.

Okay, one example. When I buy a used game for current-gen games (which is not very commonly), it's usually because I've heard mixed stories on the game's quality, and I want to try it out being sure I'm not wasting too much money. On one occasion, I bought The Conduit Special Edition for a few bucks (used). Normally, I wouldn't have bought the game as I had been told it wasn't worth the trouble, but after playing it, I saw the game's enormous potential, and decided right away to buy Conduit 2 on the release date. Effects like this might seem insignificant, but they do exist, and their influence is never taken into account because devs and publisher can't seem to use it in their quest to harvest as much money as possible.

In the end, I'm being a bit sick of continually being treated as some sort of criminal by industry hotshots while more of my money has been pumped into that same industry over the years than I care to remember. As said, they can just shove it.

hmm a lot of people's reasons for buying used games is the same reasons people have for piracy... perhaps to devs they're not that different?

Umm, well if they want us to buy more games new, stop making so many of them!

Seriously, want a shooter? you have Call of Duty (1,2,3,4, WaW, MW2, more coming) Halo 3, ODST, Reach coming soon, Resistance 1 and 2, Killzone 2, Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Crysis 2 coming soon, Medal Of Honor, Battlefield BC1 and 2 (and 1943, 2, etc).

Hack n Slash: God of War 1, 2, 3, COO, Ghost of Sparta (coming soon), Bayonetta, Darksiders, Dante's inferno, Etc.

RPG: Dragon Age: Origins, Awakening (and another expansion soon, Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Mass Effect 1 and 2, Final Fantasy XIII, Fallout 3, Torchlight, Diablo 3 (coming someday), Demon's Souls (Is demon a person? he has to be, because otherwise that's just bad grammar, because that title is saying that they are somebody named Demon and those are his souls, now if they were trying to be plural as in many demons having souls, the proper title would be Demons' Souls if I am understanding this correctly.)

Racing: Dirt 1 and 2, Grid, Forza 2 and 3, Project Gotham Racing 4, Need for Speed Shift, Blur, Split Second, Mario Kart, Modnation Racers, Gran Turismo 5 (Coming Someday), etc.

Action/Adventure: Assasin's Creed I, II and Brotherhood, Grand Theft Auto, Red Dead Redemption, Just Cause 2, Prince of Persia Forgotten Sands, Metal Gear Solid 4 and Peace Walker, Batman Arkham Asylum, Infamous, Uncharted 1 and 2, Alan Wake, Brutal Legend, Etc.

Ok So you expect us to dish out $60 for all of these? and I even gave up listing any more genres and games within those genres, Not to mention smaller titles, lower scores, etc. We're gonna buy our favorites new, and rent/buy used the rest. And pirates are gonna pirate.

Edit: Let's not forget all the Sequels, Prequels, spin offs, New IPs, and of course buying old gems.

Is it a crime that im a cheap ass. Im just saving money for food. The last game I have bought at full price (50+tax) was Super Smash Bros. Brawl back in 2008. The rest I get used. I have save a ton of money that way.

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Since there is such a large market for used games, that means the devs and publishers are doing something wrong. It's obvious that there are a lot of gamers who feel that the final product of what they are making simply isn't worth what they think it is.

Birdy09