David Jaffe says rentals and used games 'takes away' from sales.

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#201 tbone802
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David Jaffe would be happy to hear that I rented his game.
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#202 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Are you actually trying to say that by taking away used / rented options, devs won't get more money?kontejner44
No, I did not that. I said that gaming can reach a certain market thanks to the existence of used games sales.
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#203 Mograine
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[QUOTE="kontejner44"]Are you actually trying to say that by taking away used / rented options, devs won't get more money?IronBass
No, I did not that. I said that gaming can reach a certain market thanks to the existence of used games sales.

The same could be said about piracy.

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#204 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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The same could be said about piracy.Mograine
If no money is spent, I don't think it can be considered a "market".

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#205 Mograine
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If no money is spent, I don't think it can't be considered a "market".IronBass

Then you should learn about eastern Europe and underdeveloped countries.

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#206 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Then you should learn about eastern Europe and underdeveloped countries.Mograine
That's different. I was talking about people spending money on this industry. That's what I was talking about when I said market.
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#207 JLF1
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In 2008 EA buys Bioware and Pandemic for $860 million, which they can't really afford, then the year after they buy Playfish for $275 million which they again don't really have the money for.

Then they have the stomach to blame used games as the big problem in the industry and why they aren't profitable :|

Tell me again why I should care about the big bloated megapublishers that can't keep their own economy in check?

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#208 fastr
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I guess we should shutdown any car dealership who sells used cars. I mean.. GM isn't making money off used car sales right? and they're in trouble.. we gotta help them out! only buy new! shutdown those dirty rotten used car dealerships!
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#209 HuusAsking
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I guess we should shutdown any car dealership who sells used cars. I mean.. GM isn't making money off used car sales right? and they're in trouble.. we gotta help them out! only buy new! shutdown those dirty rotten used car dealerships!fastr
Funny thing, that. Aren't most used car lots run by factory-authorized new car dealers? And aren't a lot of those used cars in fact trade-ins toward the purchase of a new car?

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#210 W1NGMAN-
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Isn't this kind of like .... um, the obvious?

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#211 Boomshaffted
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If you take sales in th sense he's using as being "sales for which money actually goes to the people who made it and not just the money-grubbing middle men, why is this even a poll? It's an obvious fact. I'll assume that the people who voted "no" understood him as meaning "sales" in some different way.
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#212 Makari
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[QUOTE="fastr"]I guess we should shutdown any car dealership who sells used cars. I mean.. GM isn't making money off used car sales right? and they're in trouble.. we gotta help them out! only buy new! shutdown those dirty rotten used car dealerships!HuusAsking
Funny thing, that. Aren't most used car lots run by factory-authorized new car dealers?

Hell, if gamestop was run entirely by the publishers they'd love used sales. They'd be making a killing off of us.
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#213 rollermint
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="fastr"]I guess we should shutdown any car dealership who sells used cars. I mean.. GM isn't making money off used car sales right? and they're in trouble.. we gotta help them out! only buy new! shutdown those dirty rotten used car dealerships!Makari
Funny thing, that. Aren't most used car lots run by factory-authorized new car dealers?

Hell, if gamestop was run entirely by the publishers they'd love used sales. They'd be making a killing off of us.

The devs should get a cut of used game sales, its kinda unfair to me that they get nothing and all the money goes to middlemen. If you all were devs, you prolly would feel the same. As for publishers, thats kinda a different situation...almost as bad as middlemen.
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#214 EG101
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[QUOTE="treedoor"]

Well, hopefully he hops on board the Digital-Download-Only train.

I mean I don't really get why these devs complain about it when they have the power to change the way the industry does business.

delta3074

not really, there is very little gaurantee that people will actually switch to DD, digital downloads only make up 15% of the market, if you went digital download only now it would destroy the industry, most people still don't have a stable internet connection, not to mention people like me and everyone i know will stop buying games if they go DD, we are not sheep you know, just because the industry sets the standard is no guarantee that we will follow it, or that we can follow it, the PSP go was DD only, and that was a disaster.

Exactly, count me and my entire gaming family out the minute it goes DD only. Many people I know are already tired of being ripped off by this industry.A move like this could snowball into the next video game market crash easily.

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#215 Respawn-d
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If devs dont wont ppl to rent games then they should make stuff worth buying. Stuff thats lasts more then 8 hours. LIKE TH OLD DAYs

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#216 Makari
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="treedoor"]

Well, hopefully he hops on board the Digital-Download-Only train.

I mean I don't really get why these devs complain about it when they have the power to change the way the industry does business.

EG101

not really, there is very little gaurantee that people will actually switch to DD, digital downloads only make up 15% of the market, if you went digital download only now it would destroy the industry, most people still don't have a stable internet connection, not to mention people like me and everyone i know will stop buying games if they go DD, we are not sheep you know, just because the industry sets the standard is no guarantee that we will follow it, or that we can follow it, the PSP go was DD only, and that was a disaster.

Exactly, count me and my entire gaming family out the minute it goes DD only. Many people I know are already tired of being ripped off by this industry.A move like this could snowball into the next video game market crash easily.

Steam is DD only, and pretty much hailed as one of the saviors of PC gaming. A lot of people hate it, but a lot of people love it too. And honestly, consoles seem follow the path tread by the PC a gen earlier. Just as the consoles hopped into online with both feet years after it was solidly entrenched on the PC, it's about time for it to start rolling out your direction. :D
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#217 Vambran
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I have not rented anything since the 90's. I do buy a few used games now and then at Gamestop.

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#218 2beers_in_hand
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Used games yes. rentals umm no.

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#219 Santesyu
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Used games yes. rentals umm no.

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Agreed... ;p
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#220 psx_warrior
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One could compare buying a used game to downloading one in a torrent on a pc. Sure, no money is exchanged, but someone had to have bought the game first whether it be console or pc to either sell it, or put it out as a torrent. If we are gonna attack torrents, we may as well attack used game sales. Of course, mnay, many people can download one game in a torrent, whereas only one person can buy a used game at a time. So I guess it's not really the same at all. I don't download torrents of games at all, but I thought it was something just to bring up.

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#221 fugwit
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The industy needs to set up it own retail chain that sells games at wholesale prices.

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#222 kontejner44
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If devs dont wont ppl to rent games then they should make stuff worth buying. Stuff thats lasts more then 8 hours. LIKE TH OLD DAYs

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this is fail, old games depended on trial and error gameplay, games today are bigger content wise.

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#223 cowgriller
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One could compare buying a used game to downloading one in a torrent on a pc. Sure, no money is exchanged, but someone had to have bought the game first whether it be console or pc to either sell it, or put it out as a torrent. If we are gonna attack torrents, we may as well attack used game sales. Of course, mnay, many people can download one game in a torrent, whereas only one person can buy a used game at a time. So I guess it's not really the same at all. I don't download torrents of games at all, but I thought it was something just to bring up.

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nope. many pirated games are put online weeks before the game is even in stores meaning that no one bought it.

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#224 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Of course they do, this should be common sense.. And its actually far more measurable then piracy..
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#225 deactivated-59d151f079814
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The industy needs to set up it own retail chain that sells games at wholesale prices.

fugwit

They are most likely by next gen going to destroy the used and rental game industry as a whole.. By forcing registration of a particular product through a cdkey lilke pc games do now.. Meaning your copy will be worthless for resale because you can only use your cdkey one in registering to yoru account.