Dec NPD.. PS3 outsells 360 by 50k units

He can't be talking about Uncharted 2 because that game isn't even close to 3 million sales.

He can't be talking about Uncharted 2 because that game isn't even close to 3 million sales.

phatkav

He can't be talking about Uncharted 2 because that game isn't even close to 3 million sales.

phatkav

According to VGchartz (I know "HAHAHA VGCHARTZ!") Uncharted 2 has sold 2.7 million so far. That's pretty damn close.

I have to emphasize my previous statement; because I feel like it was largely ignored.

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

I have to ask, PS3 gamers have considered outselling 360 consoles a major goal of theirs for years, but what exactly do they expect will happen?

Will Sony's PS3 department suddenly go from the red to the green financially? Will Sony stop having to provide major supplementation of the PS3s line-up? Will Cell start being easy to program for?

What exactly is the significance of PS3 sold units exceeding 360 sold units? Is Sony now making a profit on those sold units; or are they still making a $40 loss on every one sold?

PS3 spent over three years in 3rd place and fans have downplayed the significance of that position the whole time. What about the moment 360 enters that spot that is suddenly going to cause a major event? Will being in 3rd place suddenly matter when it is 360 and not PS3 in it?

AnnoyedDragon

At what point does the PS3 market become big enough that third parties develop from the ground up for both systems and there are no more Bayonettas?

At what point does the PS3 market become valuable enough that there are no third parties who see no value in developing for it and there are no more Valves?

At what point does the PS3 market become sufficient to "justify" third party exclusivity on certain games e.g. FFvsXIII?

Although I doubt any of this is actually the reasoning though...

If the two systems weren't as close as they are (and in the grand scheme of things they're relatively close compared to the third system) I'd say it was because of how install base could affect third party developer support.

At what point does the PS3 market become big enough that third parties develop from the ground up for both systems and there are no more Bayonettas?

At what point does the PS3 market become valuable enough that there are no third parties who see no value in developing for it and there are no more Valves?

At what point does the PS3 market become sufficient to "justify" third party exclusivity on certain games e.g. FFvsXIII?

Although I doubt any of this is actually the reasoning though...

shinrabanshou

Never I'd say.

I'm not picking on PS3 in particular, I'm just thinking in line with how this generation has gone. Developers today don't want to make exclusive games, especially big budget exclusive games, because they can make considerably more money and it is less risky going cross platform. Unless there is a drastic difference in install base as with the PS2 generation, I don't see developers suddenly making 3rd party exclusives common again.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

If the two systems weren't as close as they are (and in the grand scheme of things they're relatively close compared to the third system) I'd say it was because of how install base could affect third party developer support.

At what point does the PS3 market become big enough that third parties develop from the ground up for both systems and there are no more Bayonettas?

At what point does the PS3 market become valuable enough that there are no third parties who see no value in developing for it and there are no more Valves?

At what point does the PS3 market become sufficient to "justify" third party exclusivity on certain games e.g. FFvsXIII?

Although I doubt any of this is actually the reasoning though...

AnnoyedDragon

Never I'd say.

I'm not picking on PS3 in particular, I'm just thinking in line with how this generation has gone. Developers today don't want to make exclusive games, especially big budget exclusive games, because they can make considerably more money and it is less risky going cross platform. Unless there is a drastic difference in install base as with the PS2 generation, I don't see developers suddenly making 3rd party exclusives common again.

Personally, I find the sales somewhat interesting from an "analysis" standpoint though.

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Video-Game-Examiner~y2010m1d14-Decemeber-NPD-Report PS3 1.36 million, 360 1.31 million

Modern_Unit

Wow, talk about taking years to catch up to 2nd place..

[QUOTE="phatkav"]

He can't be talking about Uncharted 2 because that game isn't even close to 3 million sales.

-Sir-Poof-

According to VGchartz (I know "HAHAHA VGCHARTZ!") Uncharted 2 has sold 2.7 million so far. That's pretty damn close.

This is NDP topic so I mainly talking about NA sales. Beside VGchartz is off cause Sony confirmed that Uncharted 2 sold 950k or it almost hit the million.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Stolen from gaf. Forgive me

punkrocker163

lmao, that is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh. I guess PS3 outsold 360 this year WW.

[QUOTE="punkrocker163"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Stolen from gaf. Forgive me

Santesyu

lmao, that is hilarious. Thanks for the laugh. I guess PS3 outsold 360 this year WW.

[QUOTE="StryderK"]

[QUOTE="Captain_SOAP_"]

its funny how mario is at the top of the list i remember playing mario games 12 years ago how many sequels since 64 anyone care to guess?

Sokittoya

Main line Mario Platformers?

2, or three ifyou count Mario Glaxay 2. 4 if you count NSMB Wii (I did not count handhelds)

Compared to Ratchet and Clank, mainline platformers.......Some 7 in the past 5 years!

um 5 games in the last 5 years. Seeing as how you're not counting spin offs or hand helds 3.

Size Matters for PSP, ported to ps2, developed by high impact games.

Future: Tools of Destruction PS3

Secret Agent Clank, spin off, PSP ported to PS2

Future: Quest for Booty PSN

Future: A Crack in Time PS3

of all of those only 3 were Main line games. The others were handheld games, and spin offs. Don't try to act like Mario milkage is any better than R&C milkage

umm.....I'm counting R&C since it first appeared on the PS2....Last time I checked, there were at least 4 R&C game, one almost every year since the PS2 inception. That makes it around 5 games for 5 years right there! You are only counting off R&C since it first came to the PS3!

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"][QUOTE="skinny_man_69"]

Oh snap. Looks like PS3 will be catching up to the 360 within the next few months with that hugemargin of a victory :roll:

Modern_Unit

Am i the only one that thinks that the japenese population buy ps3's just for the hell of it? (not to sound racist, apologize to anyone who got offended)

I've also been wondering why, if so many people own a PS3, that PS3 versions of games are barely ever in the software chartsas hoving sold many.

Anyway I'm putting December down to the PS3 having a good year overall in terms of games. Next year the PS3 will have a better year, with games like Mass Effect 2 and Halo Reach coming out, those games are system sellers.

[QUOTE="-Sir-Poof-"]

[QUOTE="phatkav"]

He can't be talking about Uncharted 2 because that game isn't even close to 3 million sales.

phatkav

According to VGchartz (I know "HAHAHA VGCHARTZ!") Uncharted 2 has sold 2.7 million so far. That's pretty damn close.

This is NDP topic so I mainly talking about NA sales. Beside VGchartz is off cause Sony confirmed that Uncharted 2 sold 950k or it almost hit the million.

I agree......U2 have sold only one million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncharted_2#Sales

The XBOX360 have sold Worldwide 39 million.....very good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

The PS3 have sold only 27 million.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3

A damning victory for the XBOX360.......8)

[QUOTE="Modern_Unit"]

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"] well considering its outselling the 360 in japan by average of 300k consoles a month and who knows in EU and pal territoriesguitarsrock4eva

Am i the only one that thinks that the japenese population buy ps3's just for the hell of it? (not to sound racist, apologize to anyone who got offended)

I've also been wondering why, if so many people own a PS3, that PS3 versions of games are barely ever in the software chartsas hoving sold many.

Anyway I'm putting December down to the PS3 having a good year overall in terms of games. Next year the PS3 will have a better year, with games like Mass Effect 2 and Halo Reach coming out, those games are system sellers.

And that brings us back to your original musing:

"Am i the only one that thinks that the japenese population buy ps3's just for the hell of it?"

Indeed. Perhaps PS3 doesn't need games (apparent, with people not buying the games and all), as suggested by Ken Kutaragi some 3-4 years ago. Maybe, simply being the owner of one is enough. Could the PS3 really be that awesome? :P

[QUOTE="phatkav"]

[QUOTE="-Sir-Poof-"]

According to VGchartz (I know "HAHAHA VGCHARTZ!") Uncharted 2 has sold 2.7 million so far. That's pretty damn close.

Panosola

This is NDP topic so I mainly talking about NA sales. Beside VGchartz is off cause Sony confirmed that Uncharted 2 sold 950k or it almost hit the million.

I agree......U2 have sold only one million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncharted_2#Sales

The XBOX360 have sold Worldwide 39 million.....very good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

The PS3 have sold only 27 million.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3

A damning victory for the XBOX360.......8)

[QUOTE="Panosola"]

[QUOTE="phatkav"]

This is NDP topic so I mainly talking about NA sales. Beside VGchartz is off cause Sony confirmed that Uncharted 2 sold 950k or it almost hit the million.

XenogearsMaster

I agree......U2 have sold only one million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncharted_2#Sales

The XBOX360 have sold Worldwide 39 million.....very good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

The PS3 have sold only 27 million.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3

A damning victory for the XBOX360.......8)

The XBOX360 have sold 39 million and that is a fact and probably it will sell over 40 million.And again the XBOX360 outsell the ps3 for 8~9 million......this is a big different..........damning victory for the XBOX360.

people don't get the point ps3 is a bit better or the same as xbox 360 and the wii sells most because of it's price and poupularity

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

[QUOTE="Panosola"]

I agree......U2 have sold only one million.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncharted_2#Sales

The XBOX360 have sold Worldwide 39 million.....very good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

The PS3 have sold only 27 million.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3

A damning victory for the XBOX360.......8)

Panosola

The XBOX360 have sold 39 million and that is a fact and probably it will sell over 40 million.And again the XBOX360 outsell the ps3 for 8~9 million......this is a big different..........damning victory for the XBOX360.

[QUOTE="Panosola"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"] Read your link. The PS3 sold 27 million as of September, 2009, while the 360 sold 39 million as of Jan. 6, 2010. The PS3 is over 31 million right now. And actually the 360 is at 37 million.

XenogearsMaster

The XBOX360 have sold 39 million and that is a fact and probably it will sell over 40 million.And again the XBOX360 outsell the ps3 for 8~9 million......this is a big different..........damning victory for the XBOX360.

[QUOTE="Panosola"]

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"] Read your link. The PS3 sold 27 million as of September, 2009, while the 360 sold 39 million as of Jan. 6, 2010. The PS3 is over 31 million right now. And actually the 360 is at 37 million.

XenogearsMaster

The XBOX360 have sold 39 million and that is a fact and probably it will sell over 40 million.And again the XBOX360 outsell the ps3 for 8~9 million......this is a big different..........damning victory for the XBOX360.

XBOX360 Units sold Worldwide: 39 million (as of January 6, 2010)........this is from wikipedia.8)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

You should accept it...........the XBOX360 have outsell "again" the ps3 for 8 million.

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

[QUOTE="Panosola"]

The XBOX360 have sold 39 million and that is a fact and probably it will sell over 40 million.And again the XBOX360 outsell the ps3 for 8~9 million......this is a big different..........damning victory for the XBOX360.

Panosola

XBOX360 Units sold Worldwide: 39 million (as of January 6, 2010)........this is from wikipedia.8)

Those are still shipped numbers, though. They just use the term "sold" differently from us earthlings :P

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

[QUOTE="Panosola"] 39 million came from Microsoft, most likely shipped.

Panosola

XBOX360 Units sold Worldwide: 39 million (as of January 6, 2010)........this is from wikipedia.8)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

You should accept it...........the XBOX360 have outsell "again" the ps3 for 8 million.

In millions.

US NPD LTD numbers:
Xbox 360: 18.6
PS3: 11.1

Difference = +7.5 Xbox 360

JPN Media Create LTD numbers:
Xbox 360: 1.2
PS3: 4.5

Difference = +3.3 PS3

JPN + US Difference = +4.2 Xbox 360

If there is a difference in PAL regions, I highly doubt the difference is 3.8 million in the 360's favor... :|

shinrabanshou

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

[QUOTE="Panosola"]

The XBOX360 have sold 39 million and that is a fact and probably it will sell over 40 million.And again the XBOX360 outsell the ps3 for 8~9 million......this is a big different..........damning victory for the XBOX360.

ToScA-

Anyone have a good source for finding total games sales, Wii vs PS3 vs 360? I imagine that would be an interesting comparison...musicalmac

I don't have one exactly. There were a few good charts that could be extrapolated from. I'll take a look later though it will only be US. I already know the chart is Wii, 360 then PS3 and maybe DS somewhere inbetween though.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Anyone have a good source for finding total games sales, Wii vs PS3 vs 360? I imagine that would be an interesting comparison...ActicEdge

I don't have one exactly. There were a few good charts that could be extrapolated from. I'll take a look later though it will only be US. I already know the chart is Wii, 360 then PS3 and maybe DS somewhere inbetween though.

There was a pie chart on GAF that showed the total software sales for all systems. All what I remember from it was that the DS had 13% of total software sales for 2009.

I blame the RROD for selling more consoles to the same customers that already have a 360. Not saying if the "33.3%" failure rate is correct or not, but if everyone purchased another after a failure then 37-12.3=24.7 total fan base. But of course that is ridiculous to think about that 37 million is different individuals and no one makes this number overlap. :lol:

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Anyone have a good source for finding total games sales, Wii vs PS3 vs 360? I imagine that would be an interesting comparison...phatkav

I don't have one exactly. There were a few good charts that could be extrapolated from. I'll take a look later though it will only be US. I already know the chart is Wii, 360 then PS3 and maybe DS somewhere inbetween though.

There was a pie chart on GAF that showed the total software sales for all systems. All what I remember from it was that the DS had 13% of total software sales for 2009.

I saw that chart, twas revenue, not toal sales units.I know the Wii sold the most first and third party software on the shear basis that it was in the lead by september and if Microsoft had won that, Greenburg would have said it. He loves to brag about that. The 360 is a monster though, no doubt.

the ps3 LOST!!!! Lets all move on. Its a good system with good games but they lost. Tough S**T. They can try again next time. Stop spinning the numbers to make it sound like the ps3 is winning cause its not. It LOST. But ive said this before, when have we seen the public embrace 3 consoles??? I dont remember a time when thats happened. Its cool that we got 3 cool systems to have fun on. But face reality, the ps3 LOST and its not coming back. Xbox can just keep dropping the price and sony cant do that anytime soon.

^^^^The PS3 lost a long time ago. At launch when the Wii came out. The 360 also lost. At the rate this gen is going if it lasts like 3 or 2 moe years the PS will pass the 360. It won't really matter because in the long run, mpthing will actually change in the industry.

lol the 360 is already getting beaten worldwide and just embarassed in Japan and now PS3 is destroying it in USA wow microsoft is hitting the bottom of the barrel I guess halo is not important anymore.

PS3 is destroying it in USA

drakecool1

"destroying it" by 50k? :lol:

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

PS3 is destroying it in USA

EndorphinMaster

"destroying it" by 50k? :lol:

I don't just mean this month I mean month after month the only month 360 took was november

what happened I thought USA was ur country ? the bottom line is 360 is becoming irrevelant now that the slim is out pretty soon no one will talk about it.

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

PS3 is destroying it in USA

EndorphinMaster

"destroying it" by 50k? :lol:

So your saying 50k isnt much? :lol:.. its still winning over that shooter console 360 ;)

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

PS3 is destroying it in USA

fire-dragon-90

"destroying it" by 50k? :lol:

So your saying 50k isnt much? :lol:.. its still winning over that shooter console 360 ;)

50k in the context of the biggest month is nothing. 50k in general is nothing. Do you know what percentage 50k makes in a year of sales?

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

PS3 is destroying it in USA

fire-dragon-90

"destroying it" by 50k? :lol:

So your saying 50k isnt much? :lol:.. its still winning over that shooter console 360 ;)

[QUOTE="fire-dragon-90"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

"destroying it" by 50k? :lol:

Chutebox

So your saying 50k isnt much? :lol:.. its still winning over that shooter console 360 ;)

There's a phrase for it:

"pffft who cares about teh usa we have teh 2nd place in japan go sony!!!"

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

PS3 is destroying it in USA

drakecool1

"destroying it" by 50k? :lol:

I don't just mean this month I mean month after month the only month 360 took was november

what happened I thought USA was ur country ? the bottom line is 360 is becoming irrevelant now that the slim is out pretty soon no one will talk about it.

PS3 only started outselling 360 in US in September and followed that up with outselling it in October as well.

Coupled with December..that's 3 months, out of 12, that's hardly "destroying" anything :|

Especially with 360 outselling PS3 with over 400,000 units in the US for the entire year...the destruction is indeed earth shattering.

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

"destroying it" by 50k? :lol:

ToScA-

I don't just mean this month I mean month after month the only month 360 took was november

what happened I thought USA was ur country ? the bottom line is 360 is becoming irrevelant now that the slim is out pretty soon no one will talk about it.

PS3 only started outselling 360 in US in September and followed that up with outselling it in October as well.

Coupled with December..that's 3 months, out of 12, that's hardly "destroying" anything :|

Especially with 360 outselling PS3 with over 400,000 units in the US for the entire year...the destruction is indeed earth shattering.

lol you have to take into consideration the months 360 was winning it was $200 cheaper

now the slim is here to stay and so is the price it's only going lower so that attractive price of the 360 is gone now they see what an incredible offer is the PS3 at $299

once the ps3 hits $199 I would be surprised if microsoft manages to sell 5xbox 360's

lol you have to take into consideration the months 360 was winning it was $200 cheaper

drakecool1

Even when taking that into account I don't see how PS3 has been destroying 360 with 360 pulling ahead with more than 400,000 units over the year in the US.

In total, PS3 outsold the 360 by 150,000 units going from the month of September till December. With the slew of exclusive releases and the pricedrop, I'm not all too inclined to call that impressive.

now the slim is here to stay and so is the price it's only going lower so that attractive price of the 360 is gone now they see what an incredible offer is the PS3 at $299

once the ps3 hits $199 I would be surprised if microsoft manages to sell 5xbox 360's

drakecool1

Sony are currently selling the PS3 at a loss; there is little incentive for them to further lower the price, unless they are willing to risk losing more money. Microsoft, however, do have room for a price adjustment, much more-so than Sony due to Microsoft currently selling at a profit.

They could thus very well lower the price in months to come (as rumoured), potentially nullifying any ground (150,000) PS3 gained with the installment of PS3Slim.

When will people learn a wii only last 3 mounths?

Good for the ps3

When will people learn a wii only last 3 mounths?

Good for the ps3

L30KinG

Oh snap. Looks like PS3 will be catching up to the 360 within the next few months with that hugemargin of a victory :roll:

skinny_man_69

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

lol you have to take into consideration the months 360 was winning it was $200 cheaper

ToScA-

Even when taking that into account I don't see how PS3 has been destroying 360 with 360 pulling ahead with more than 400,000 units over the year in the US.

In total, PS3 outsold the 360 by 150,000 units going from the month of September till December. With the slew of exclusive releases and the pricedrop, I'm not all too inclined to call that impressive.

now the slim is here to stay and so is the price it's only going lower so that attractive price of the 360 is gone now they see what an incredible offer is the PS3 at $299

once the ps3 hits $199 I would be surprised if microsoft manages to sell 5xbox 360's

drakecool1

Sony are currently selling the PS3 at a loss; there is little incentive for them to further lower the price, unless they are willing to risk losing more money. Microsoft, however, do have room for a price adjustment, much more-so than Sony due to Microsoft currently selling at a profit.

They could thus very well lower the price in months to come (as rumoured), potentially nullifying any ground (150,000) PS3 gained with the installment of PS3Slim.

i'm not inclined to call 360 winning before september being $200 cheaper it's notimpressive especially considering that during these last months PS3 has been wiping the floor with 360 worldwide and NPD and yet the PS3 is STILL MORE EXPENSIVE

as for your second comment

you sound like a broken record did not you guys say "No the PS3 won't lower it's price it won't go down to $299 they will lose even more money", before september you guys were laughing about how bad sony was doing in sales and how they will go bankrupt you know what sony did lower the price and it's worked in their favor.

also the money they are losing has dropped incredibly low they are losing at around $50 a systemand you forget they also make profit from software they get money from equipments and games and even clothes for home especially now that worldwide the ps3 is selling like hotcakes the software for it is also selling like crazy the more buyers of the system the more buyers of software.

also sony is not just gaming it's also into electronics, tvs, blue rays etc so they have many revenues in making money so they can afford to lower the price and as for 360 lowering the price last one didn't do any good lol.

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]

[QUOTE="Panosola"]

XBOX360 Units sold Worldwide: 39 million (as of January 6, 2010)........this is from wikipedia.8)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

You should accept it...........the XBOX360 have outsell "again" the ps3 for 8 million.

shinrabanshou

In millions.

US NPD LTD numbers:
Xbox 360: 18.6
PS3: 11.1

Difference = +7.5 Xbox 360

JPN Media Create LTD numbers:
Xbox 360: 1.2
PS3: 4.5

Difference = +3.3 PS3

JPN + US Difference = +4.2 Xbox 360

If there is a difference in PAL regions, I highly doubt the difference is 3.8 million in the 360's favor... :|

shinrabanshou

(Opinion) Sony is outselling the 360 in PAL countries > 360 is outselling the PS3 in PAL countries.

Even if one is true we don't know by how much and how is on top. I see people use VGchatz and say that Sony has a 40K lead in PAL countries then I see a Nintendo's chart that says that the PS3 is killing the 360 by a lager margine and then Micrsoft says they sold 39 million consoles. Now sticking with VGchatz (that has not updated their numbers to reflect Microsofts claim) Microsoft sits at 37.28 million with 21.50 million sold in America, which is more then likley accurate due to NPDs, and 1.24 million in Japan, again more then likely accurate due to Media Crates and 14.54 million sold in PAL.

Now given VGcharts margine for error in for PAL countries and since there's no orginazation that monitors that stuff out there, I can see the 360 actually selling the 16.24 versus the 14.54 that would make up the 39 million consoles that would have had to have been sold for them to announce such a number. Even if that guess (and that's all it is, just like others that assume that PAL=Sony) and VG is absolutly right, Sony still hasn't cut into the 5 million deficit set by Micrsoft in 2006.

Nor am I..which is why I discussed the sales after the PS3 price drop.

I thought we were discussing NPD and the US? We have yet to see official worldwide numbers for PS3 from Sony themselves. I too expect PS3 to outsell 360 worldwide for the year of 2009, by how much, however, remains to be seen as, again, Sony has yet to report their worldwide numbers.

And I already addressed why I don't consider PS3's USA performance after the price drop as "wiping the floor". The sheer marketing, release of top tier games, a complete revision of the PS3 and a price drop, yet Microsoft lay quite dormant and still only lost ground by 150,000 units in the US...

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

as for your second comment

you sound like a broken record did not you guys say "No the PS3 won't lower it's price it won't go down to $299 they will lose even more money before september you guys were laughing about how bad sony was doing in sales and how they will go bankrupt you know what sony did lower the price and it's worked in their favor.

drakecool1

Err no, I never once said that. What do you mean "you guys". There is nothing in this part of your post that I personally can relate to :|

Still, in response of the erronous details in your post. Yes, the price drop and revision of the PS3 has resulted in strides in terms of sales. But at what cost? They are still bleeding money. Why would they further dig themselves into a hole for gains in market share (that Microsoft, mind you, are in a far better position to counter) with the risk of losing money?

And as for Sony going bankrupt, I reckon that you're spending too much time about SW, because that is laughable, to say the least.

also the money they are losing has dropped incredibly low they are losing at around $50 and you forget they also make profit from software they get money from equipments and games and even clothes for home especially now taht worldwide the ps3 is selling like hotcakes the software for it is also selling like hotcakes.

drakecool1

I have no idea what you're trying to argue here. Clothes? Really? I thought it would be obvious that the topic of discussion in this case concerns Sony's Gaming division, and not Sony as a whole company.

Sony may be making money off their games, however, those earnings are obviously dwarfed by their losses. As of October 2009, their Gaming division reported a total loss of $4.7 billion. Evidently, game sales has not done much to turn things around.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/Sony-expects-games-division-losses-to-increase-by-$337-million

"Sony expects games division losses to increase by $337 million"

Yeah...losses have dropped incredibly low indeed.

And this was reported before the price drop, revision and extensive which inevetibly resulted in even more losses than their estimations (unless they included the PS3 Slim plans in their estimations).

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/05/14/sony-reports-continued-loss-expects-games-division-to-remain-un/

"Sony reports continued loss, expects games division to remain unprofitable"

also sony is not just gaming it's also into electronics, tvs, blue rays etc so they have many revenues in making money so they can afford to lower the price and as for 360 lowering the price last one didn't do any good lol.

drakecool1

You're just grasping now. I'm well aware of Sony's stance in the industry overall. However, they are a company and as such has aims to profit. Having a division that keeps bleeding money is thus paradoxal. You make it sound all fine and dandy that their division lost 4,7 billion. Using that logic, they might as well drop the price to $1 for all they cared..

Also, I believe a $50 dollar price drop with no or very few top tier games to go, as opposed to a $200 dollar price drop with new exciting releases en masse and a complety revised version, will certainly have less impact. That's simple logic.

You're just grasping now. I'm well aware of Sony's stance in the industry overall. However, they are a company and as such has aims to profit. Having a division that keeps bleeding money is thus paradoxal. You make it sound all fine and dandy that their division lost 4,7 billion. Using that logic, they might as well drop the price to $1 for all they cared..

Also, I believe a $50 dollar price drop with no or very few top tier games to go, as opposed to a $200 dollar price drop with new exciting releases en masse and a complety revised version, will certainly have less impact. That's simple logic.