Dec NPD.. PS3 outsells 360 by 50k units

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"]

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Video-Game-Examiner~y2010m1d14-Decemeber-NPD-Report PS3 1.36 million, 360 1.31 million

Modern_Unit

Wow, talk about taking years to catch up to 2nd place..

the sad thing is that the x360 is till miles ahead in the biggest market in world US, so even if the PS3 matched the x360 userbase coz of higher JPN and EU sales, it won't be able to dominate completely.

[QUOTE="metswonin69"]

Why the heck is there almost never any PS3 games in the software list?

nhh18

And while people fight over who has sold the most units, who is actually profitable here?

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Can anyone explain to me why the Xbox 360 is still matching Playstation 3 sales? No one is buying the best Xbox release of the year, Forza 3, and Halo 3 ODST is scarcely capable of selling systems, whereas everything else worth a damn released this year is multiplatform. This is easily the worst Xbox 360 year since 2006.... They have the same price and yet one carries inherently more value.....so why isn't it mopping the floor with the Xbox?nhh18

The king has retured. Major beatdownby theTREY over the 360. PS3 probably would have completely destroyed the 360 if it wasn't for major PS3 shortagesand 360 replacement buys (RROD and Microsoft banning those accounts) ! But with that being said , 360 is still DEAD LAST for the month anyway where it belongs. TREY 4 LI4E!

Sales matter people.

Nike_Air

But too bad the "Trey" is in last.

[QUOTE="stygiansanity"][QUOTE="Brownesque"]Can anyone explain to me why the Xbox 360 is still matching Playstation 3 sales? No one is buying the best Xbox release of the year, Forza 3, and Halo 3 ODST is scarcely capable of selling systems, whereas everything else worth a damn released this year is multiplatform. This is easily the worst Xbox 360 year since 2006.... They have the same price and yet one carries inherently more value.....so why isn't it mopping the floor with the Xbox?Brownesque

I do not believe that is the case.

http://news.spong.com/article/19131/SCEE-Clarifies-PS3-Install-Base-Maths

Specifically we reported that Chris Lewis (Microsoft's vice president Interactive Entertainment Business for Europe, the Middle East and Africa - EMEA) had stated that Xbox 360 was one million units ahead in EMEA, and he had also referred to Sony Computer Entertainment Europe's (SCEE) method of calculating its own install base.

"We count installed base differently to (SCEE). We count the number of units in the hands of consumers."

In the same link, SCEE replies by stating that they too count number of units in hands of consumers.

[QUOTE="stygiansanity"][QUOTE="Brownesque"]Can anyone explain to me why the Xbox 360 is still matching Playstation 3 sales? No one is buying the best Xbox release of the year, Forza 3, and Halo 3 ODST is scarcely capable of selling systems, whereas everything else worth a damn released this year is multiplatform. This is easily the worst Xbox 360 year since 2006.... They have the same price and yet one carries inherently more value.....so why isn't it mopping the floor with the Xbox?Brownesque

Actually, being you brought that up - MS's and Nintendo's definition of a sold console is one that is sold to retail. On the other hand, Sony considers sold consoles as those immediately place in their inventory and as such inflating their numbers. I don't remember my source so I cannot provide a link, and as such I'm not 100% sure if this is still true, but this is the last I heard.

EDIT: guy above me has the link with the info.

[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

This was my prediction in a thread last night

PS3 1.5 mil

360 1.3 mil

I thin I may guess better then VGChartz :)

Ultra_Combo

u should work for them!...and damn ur internet speed is sick!

Verizon Fios FTW :D

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Can anyone explain to me why the Xbox 360 is still matching Playstation 3 sales? No one is buying the best Xbox release of the year, Forza 3, and Halo 3 ODST is scarcely capable of selling systems, whereas everything else worth a damn released this year is multiplatform. This is easily the worst Xbox 360 year since 2006.... They have the same price and yet one carries inherently more value.....so why isn't it mopping the floor with the Xbox?Brownesque

I guess now it makes sense that the november numbers were largely due to all those banned 360s. I think MS has to ban more users soon to be back on top.Odrec

1. The PS3 only outsold the 360 by 50k so no, that doesn't make much sense.

2. MS hasn't been on top since Nov 2006. Sony hasn't been on top at all.

Why the heck is there almost never any PS3 games in the software list?

metswonin69

It's often bought as only a Bluray machine.

Okay. Now where's the worldwide numbers, and the North American companies that NPD doesn't cover?Messiahbolical-

Lol, is this damage control. In a clearly labeled thread you ask for data that doesn't exist? That is strange.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="stygiansanity"] the x360 has a more social vibe to it? people prefer the x360's UI or controller? loads of possibilities. stygiansanity

Actually, being you brought that up - MS's and Nintendo's definition of a sold console is one that is sold to retail. On the other hand, Sony considers sold consoles as those immediately place in their inventory and as such inflating their numbers. I don't remember my source so I cannot provide a link, and as such I'm not 100% sure if this is still true, but this is the last I heard.

EDIT: guy above me has the link with the info.

That USED to be the case. However, things seem to have changed this generation. Read the following:

http://news.spong.com/article/19131/SCEE-Clarifies-PS3-Install-Base-Maths

PlayStation 2 333.2K
PlayStation 3 1.36M
PSP 654.7K
Xbox 360 1.31M
Wii 3.81M
Nintendo DS 3.31M



NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA Nov-09 2.82M
WII FIT PLUS* WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA Oct-09 2.41M
WII SPORTS RESORT W/ WII MOTION PLUS* WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA Jul-09 1.79M
CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 2* 360 ACTIVISION BLIZZARD Nov-09 1.63M
CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 2* PS3 ACTIVISION BLIZZARD Nov-09 1.12M
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA Feb-07 1.01M
MARIO KART W/ WHEEL WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA Apr-08 936.1K
ASSASSIN'S CREED II 360 UBISOFT Nov-09 783.1K
LEFT 4 DEAD 2 360 ELECTRONIC ARTS Nov-09 728.5K
MARIO & LUIGI: BOWSER'S INSIDE STORY NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA Sep-09 656.7K

Arsuz

This must be a new record for both the Wii and DS for one month, not in the U.S., but worldwide. As for software, it is the usual Nintendomination, and it seems that New Super Mario Bros. Wii sold more copies than the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 combined.

I can say this:

[QUOTE="metswonin69"]

Why the heck is there almost never any PS3 games in the software list?

EndorphinMaster

It's often bought as only a Bluray machine.

Claiming ownage over 50k? That's just grasping for straws. :lol:

Just out of interest, whats the margin for error for NPD numbers ?carlisledavid79

It is usually within 10% from what I gather.

Can anyone explain to me why the Xbox 360 is still matching Playstation 3 sales? No one is buying the best Xbox release of the year, Forza 3, and Halo 3 ODST is scarcely capable of selling systems, whereas everything else worth a damn released this year is multiplatform. This is easily the worst Xbox 360 year since 2006.... They have the same price and yet one carries inherently more value.....so why isn't it mopping the floor with the Xbox?Brownesque

I was walking past EB yesterday and saw the following:

• Xbox 360 Elite + 4 games for $450 (where 2 of the 4 games you could pick from a selection which included Assassins Creed, Gears of War and Mass Effect)
• PS3 Slim 120G + 1 game for $500 (the game was Ashes Cricket)

To the average consumer the 360 deal would be a lot better

You know what I just realized, Reggie is going to win his bet :lol:

[QUOTE="Arsuz"]

PlayStation 2 333.2K
PlayStation 3 1.36M
PSP 654.7K
Xbox 360 1.31M
Wii 3.81M
Nintendo DS 3.31M



NEW SUPER MARIO BROS. WII WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA Nov-09 2.82M
WII FIT PLUS* WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA Oct-09 2.41M
WII SPORTS RESORT W/ WII MOTION PLUS* WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA Jul-09 1.79M
CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 2* 360 ACTIVISION BLIZZARD Nov-09 1.63M
CALL OF DUTY: MODERN WARFARE 2* PS3 ACTIVISION BLIZZARD Nov-09 1.12M
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA Feb-07 1.01M
MARIO KART W/ WHEEL WII NINTENDO OF AMERICA Apr-08 936.1K
ASSASSIN'S CREED II 360 UBISOFT Nov-09 783.1K
LEFT 4 DEAD 2 360 ELECTRONIC ARTS Nov-09 728.5K
MARIO & LUIGI: BOWSER'S INSIDE STORY NDS NINTENDO OF AMERICA Sep-09 656.7K

nintendo-wins

This must be a new record for both the Wii and DS for one month, not in the U.S., but worldwide. As for software, it is the usual Nintendomination, and it seems that New Super Mario Bros. Wii sold more copies than the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 combined.

I can say this:

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="nhh18"]Xbox 360 has more popular franchise (halo odst compared to uncharted 2), cheaper, and is made by a company that has a stronger marketing force (microsoft has a much larger appeal in america than sony). So it should be outselling more.

nhh18

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Can anyone explain to me why the Xbox 360 is still matching Playstation 3 sales? No one is buying the best Xbox release of the year, Forza 3, and Halo 3 ODST is scarcely capable of selling systems, whereas everything else worth a damn released this year is multiplatform. This is easily the worst Xbox 360 year since 2006.... They have the same price and yet one carries inherently more value.....so why isn't it mopping the floor with the Xbox?daqua_99

I was walking past EB yesterday and saw the following:

• Xbox 360 Elite + 4 games for $450 (where 2 of the 4 games you could pick from a selection which included Assassins Creed, Gears of War and Mass Effect)
• PS3 Slim 120G + 1 game for $500 (the game was Ashes Cricket)

To the average consumer the 360 deal would be a lot better

And the Wii just crushed em.siLVURcross

It really is incredible the numbers it is putting up EVERYWHERE.

My prediction:

Wii - 3.1 million.
PS3 - 1.9 million
X360 - 2.1 million

I wasn't even close to any of the numbers. :x

Oh look I was right. Where's Steveo so I can rub it in his face.

Gxgear

You know what I just realized, Reggie is going to win his bet :lol:

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"] This doesn't make sense because the Playstation brand has sold considerably more units than any other system in history.... Between the PS1-PSP, you have how many hundreds of millions of units sold? The market penetration of PS1/PS2 was absurd. Brand recognition was probably the only thing keeping the PS3 alive through the $400-600 price range. And as I understand it even though Microsoft penetration into the OS market is enough to consider it an unassailable fortress, this doesn't necessarily translate to success in the console market, as we can see with the failure of the first Xbox to turn a single dollar profit or even compete with the PS2. And I'm not certain Microsoft really has the strongest marketing, but I do know there is a very strong grassroots association all over this country with the Xbox 360 and games with mainstream appeal attracting "core gamer" demographics that doesn't exist with the Playstation 3. 360 also does have the most popular franchises, you're certainly right about that, but I assumed that because ODST was a far more minimal release than Halo 3 that it wouldn't affect the consumer that hadn't already bought a 360 for Halo 3.Brownesque

this is wrong. Attach rate is about the same as xbox 360.

nhh18

The last time I saw attach rates released the 360 was 8 something and the PS3 was only 4 something quite the difference, do you have anything showing otherwise.

Reggie won the bet!

I wasn't surprised at the Mario sales though.

What surprised me were the Wii and DS sales.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Can anyone explain to me why the Xbox 360 is still matching Playstation 3 sales? No one is buying the best Xbox release of the year, Forza 3, and Halo 3 ODST is scarcely capable of selling systems, whereas everything else worth a damn released this year is multiplatform. This is easily the worst Xbox 360 year since 2006.... They have the same price and yet one carries inherently more value.....so why isn't it mopping the floor with the Xbox?daqua_99

I was walking past EB yesterday and saw the following:

• Xbox 360 Elite + 4 games for $450 (where 2 of the 4 games you could pick from a selection which included Assassins Creed, Gears of War and Mass Effect)
• PS3 Slim 120G + 1 game for $500 (the game was Ashes Cricket)

To the average consumer the 360 deal would be a lot better

[QUOTE="metswonin69"]

Why the heck is there almost never any PS3 games in the software list?

EndorphinMaster

It's often bought as only a Bluray machine.

No actually its the smaller userbase.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="nhh18"]PS2 sold more considering it was a dvd player, and had the most popular franchises out of the 3 (GTA series, Final Fantasy series, MGS series, etc). So come no surprise when xbox 360 obtain these games hardware sales of playstation plummeted.

nhh18

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

[QUOTE="metswonin69"]

Why the heck is there almost never any PS3 games in the software list?

FIipMode

It's often bought as only a Bluray machine.

No actually its the smaller userbase.

No actually it's because of the fact the many people bought it as only a Bluray machine, nothing more.

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Can anyone explain to me why the Xbox 360 is still matching Playstation 3 sales? No one is buying the best Xbox release of the year, Forza 3, and Halo 3 ODST is scarcely capable of selling systems, whereas everything else worth a damn released this year is multiplatform. This is easily the worst Xbox 360 year since 2006.... They have the same price and yet one carries inherently more value.....so why isn't it mopping the floor with the Xbox?Brownesque

It had a year's headstart, competition free, more software at launch and now, and an online service from it's launch that was able to build a great deal of "all my friends have one" momentum.

You know what I just realized, Reggie is going to win his bet :lol:

ActicEdge

That's a relief; Geoff should have never made that bet with Reggie in the first place.

In regards to the sales, very nice to see all the consoles selling well. I'm surprised that the Playstation 2 managed to sell 300,000 more units. Seriously, who doesn't have one of these yet? =P

Haha, Wii just completely shattered the PS2 record by over 700k. This is beast.

[QUOTE="nhh18"]this is wrong. Attach rate is about the same as xbox 360.

opex07

The last time I saw attach rates released the 360 was 8 something and the PS3 was only 4 something quite the difference, do you have anything showing otherwise.

[QUOTE="skinny_man_69"]

[QUOTE="Kennysolidsnake"] well considering its outselling the 360 in japan by average of 300k consoles a month and who knows in EU and pal territoriesToScA-

I was pointing out the fact that SOME people say that the PS3 will outsell the 360 WW by the end ofthis year. It is obviously selling extremely well (which it should considering it is finally getting high quality exclusive, and Blu-Ray certainly helps), but only beating the 360 by 50k in the biggest market isn't anything to get extremely excited about. Which, I am sure you weren't, right? ;)

Additionally, 360 had quite a lackluster year in 2009 as far as exclusive game releases go. In 2010, with a rumoured pricedrop and probably its most promising line-up since that of 2007, I'd be surprised if 360 doesn't take off. PS3's line-up is looking immense though.

The Xbox 360 might sell a few extra due to a price drop (is this even certain?) but I hardly see the games doing it. Like Heavy Rain I dont see Alan Awake selling consoles, neither do I see Halo Reach sell a whole lot more (those who wanted Halo from the beginning have most likely already bought an Xbox along with Halo 3) and then theres Mass Effect 2 - I highly doubt any of these 3 games will sell a lot of *extra* consoles. Sony still has GT5 coming which might sell some extra consoles but other than that I dont see any games (at this point in the game) selling a whole lot *extra* due to games being released. People claim GOW3 will sell **** loads and I doubt this too. But I guess we can all agree on a lot of good games are on their way be it for the Xbox or the Playstatation.

[QUOTE="nhh18"]this is wrong. Attach rate is about the same as xbox 360.

opex07

The last time I saw attach rates released the 360 was 8 something and the PS3 was only 4 something quite the difference, do you have anything showing otherwise.

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Haha, Wii just completely shattered the PS2 record by over 700k. This is beast.

ActicEdge

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]

[QUOTE="EndorphinMaster"]

It's often bought as only a Bluray machine.

EndorphinMaster

No actually its the smaller userbase.

No actually it's because of the fact the many people bought it as only a Bluray machine, nothing more.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="nhh18"]Xbox 360 has more popular franchise (halo odst compared to uncharted 2), cheaper, and is made by a company that has a stronger marketing force (microsoft has a much larger appeal in america than sony). So it should be outselling more.

shinrabanshou

It had a year's headstart, competition free, more software at launch and now, and an online service from it's launch that was able to build a great deal of "all my friends have one" momentum.

NDP are the NATIONAL number meaning the U.S. we all know the ps3 outsells the box everywhere outside the U.S. so this is significant. The US is what keeps the box afloat. if the ps3 continues to dominate the box in pal and asia and ties the box in the states it will be game over quicker than you think.