Dec NPD.. PS3 outsells 360 by 50k units

U know i just noticed that more people have bought asscreed 2 more then uncharted2 on the ps3 which is sad

do ps3 owners even know that they have exclusives i mean seriously do they think the only games that exist are madden and fighters theyll buy every multiplat but nvr an exclusive

[QUOTE="Shattered007"][QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

It must be sad when the usa is the only world you know

im not ignoring it, it beat xbox by 50k, 600k beatdown in japan confirmed. adding another 200k in other territories is being very generous towards ms

if the ps3 didnt have supply problems it would have outsold both the wii and 360 in december. the ps3 n sony is the world wide leader make.believe it only does everything sony ftw!

_SWAG_

[QUOTE="ToScA-"][QUOTE="nhh18"]Smaller userbase.

XturnalS

6.5 tie ratio is low :\

Better tell the Wii owners because they have 6.2 tie ratio as of Apr of 09.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23308

[QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] Let's follow this path. Let's say the PS3 and 360 are tied in the US / EU (some months the 360 wins out, some the PS3) and the PS3 continues to outsell the 360 in Japan by an average of 300k units a month. We already know that the PS3 is around the 31 million unit mark and the 360 at the 39 million mark (Microsoft announced this at CES 2010). It's still take over 2 years for the PS3 to just CATCH UP to Microsoft (27 months). And that's assuming Microsoft does nothing to try and boost 360 sales, as well as assuming Natal has no impact at all on units sold. So sure, In 2 years when the Xbox 720 has already been announced and either launched or about to be launched the PS3 MIGHT catch up.Shattered007

Yes this does make sense, but lets look at the launch dates of both. Xbox had a year head start and now can barely hold their own in their best terrirtory? If the console war ended in a few months it would be a victory for ps3. Xbox had no competition in terms of mature next gengamers for a full year and yet still have sold less units per month of existance than ps3? Thats a huge and epic failure in my book

This is like saying giving birth to a live child after having a late term abortion 5 years ago is a huge success

[QUOTE="ToScA-"][QUOTE="nhh18"]Smaller userbase.

XturnalS

6.5 tie ratio is low :\

Better tell the Wii owners because they have 6.2 tie ratio as of Apr of 09.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23308

The difference in tie ratio is probably more due to the lack of unifying killer app for the PS3 that appeals to the vast majority of the console's (US) demographic, in the same way that something like a third of 360 owners probably own Halo 3 (which probably plays a major part of the tie ratio.)

It's probably more diversity of taste than "smaller userbase" or "only a blu-ray player" imo, though they probably play some part in it I guess.

Is it ok to start spamming "360 is doomed" threads now?

U know i just noticed that more people have bought asscreed 2 more then uncharted2 on the ps3 which is sad

do ps3 owners even know that they have exclusives i mean seriously do they think the only games that exist are madden and fighters theyll buy every multiplat but nvr an exclusive

coltgames

[QUOTE="Shattered007"]

[QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

Yes this does make sense, but lets look at the launch dates of both. Xbox had a year head start and now can barely hold their own in their best terrirtory? If the console war ended in a few months it would be a victory for ps3. Xbox had no competition in terms of mature next gengamers for a full year and yet still have sold less units per month of existance than ps3? Thats a huge and epic failure in my book

mrgreen108

This is like saying giving birth to a live child after having a late term abortion 5 years ago is a huge success

[QUOTE="XturnalS"]

[QUOTE="ToScA-"] The low (relative) attach rate still suggest that there is more to it than that. ..Unless said attach rate has improved significantly?surrealnumber5

6.5 tie ratio is low :\

Better tell the Wii owners because they have 6.2 tie ratio as of Apr of 09.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23308

50 k in NA.

300-500 k in JPN

300 k in europe (vgchartz, try to top that)

PS3 will catch the x360 in no time :D .

U know i just noticed that more people have bought asscreed 2 more then uncharted2 on the ps3 which is sad

do ps3 owners even know that they have exclusives i mean seriously do they think the only games that exist are madden and fighters theyll buy every multiplat but nvr an exclusive

coltgames

i tend to argue on the behalf of the people and think that view is a load of bull. people buy what they want to buy.

Yes this does make sense, but lets look at the launch dates of both. Xbox had a year head start and now can barely hold their own in their best terrirtory? If the console war ended in a few months it would be a victory for ps3. Xbox had no competition in terms of mature next gengamers for a full year and yet still have sold less units per month of existance than ps3? Thats a huge and epic failure in my book

mrgreen108

[QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

[QUOTE="Shattered007"] Yes, I agree, I mean, Forget the 24 million sold $4 billion lose that Microsoft had with the original Xbox, it's a fail for a company to now have outsold there predecessor by 15 million in the same time frame and pulled outta the black only after 2 years on the market. Not only that but, I call it a win for Sony even though the PS3 probably wont brake 50 million WW before the next gen starts. I mean, Sony's so cool that even if they're losing they still win. :|

This is like saying giving birth to a live child after having a late term abortion 5 years ago is a huge success

Thats the most the Wii has sold in a month since launch!!!!

It just wont die.

[QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

[QUOTE="Shattered007"] Yes, I agree, I mean, Forget the 24 million sold $4 billion lose that Microsoft had with the original Xbox, it's a fail for a company to now have outsold there predecessor by 15 million in the same time frame and pulled outta the black only after 2 years on the market. Not only that but, I call it a win for Sony even though the PS3 probably wont brake 50 million WW before the next gen starts. I mean, Sony's so cool that even if they're losing they still win. :|

Shattered007

This is like saying giving birth to a live child after having a late term abortion 5 years ago is a huge success

its like having a kid that graduated from princeton(ps3) after your other kid graduated from mit with his doctorate (ps2)

[QUOTE="coltgames"]

U know i just noticed that more people have bought asscreed 2 more then uncharted2 on the ps3 which is sad

do ps3 owners even know that they have exclusives i mean seriously do they think the only games that exist are madden and fighters theyll buy every multiplat but nvr an exclusive

surrealnumber5

i tend to argue on the behalf of the people and think that view is a load of bull. people buy what they want to buy.

[QUOTE="Shattered007"][QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

It must be sad when the usa is the only world you know

mrgreen108

im not ignoring it, it beat xbox by 50k, 600k beatdown in japan confirmed. adding another 200k in other territories is being very generous towards ms

Agreed. VERY GENEROUS even. The PAL territories were huge for Sony back when the price difference wasn't much back in late '07 and most of '08, they even caught up to MS for a while before MS did their big price cut. You can be sure that Sony is wiping the floor with MS ever since the Slim launch, exacerbated by the fact that it was the holidays.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="XturnalS"]

6.5 tie ratio is low :\

Better tell the Wii owners because they have 6.2 tie ratio as of Apr of 09.

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23308

nhh18

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] take that 6.5 and multiply it by 32 million and that 6.2 by 65 million and you would have total software sold, and do that with the 360's numbers too. it will become clear as to why there are hardly ever any charting ps3 gamessurrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="coltgames"]

U know i just noticed that more people have bought asscreed 2 more then uncharted2 on the ps3 which is sad

do ps3 owners even know that they have exclusives i mean seriously do they think the only games that exist are madden and fighters theyll buy every multiplat but nvr an exclusive

nhh18

i tend to argue on the behalf of the people and think that view is a load of bull. people buy what they want to buy.

Is it ok to start spamming "360 is doomed" threads now?

Blue-Sky

This is silly, okay people. The Ps3 is significantly behind the 360 in the US. It should be of no surprise when it sells less software. The Ps3 is off the pace of the other 2 systems software wise however. That is a problem. The majority of the games you people aregue over are multiplat and are never going to change. Its of no real benefit to have the best selling version in this case.

[QUOTE="Halo__Reach"]Damn, Nintendo vs. Everyone else can only equate to: Amnesiacx

LMFAO This guy is plagiarizing message board posts from NeoGAF now. How pathetic can you be? Be original...

its like having a kid that graduated from princeton(ps3) after your other kid graduated from mit with his doctorate (ps2)

mrgreen108

Not really. It's a kid who was expected to do just as well as his older brother, but instead lost all the money his older brother made for the family, and is just recently gaining his balance back after having to totally rethink his strategy.

So atm, PS2= MIT Doctorate, PS3=BA from Stanford. Good, but nowhere near expectations

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="nhh18"]NPD is america.... And ps3 has a smaller userbased by 7 million to xbox 360, and 17 million to wii so you would be nuts to expect more games sold. And attach rate is relatively the same and has the same increase as either xbox 360 meaning that people are buying the same exact amount of games. We have no idea what the attach rate is in japan, or pal region. Shipment numbers also has nothing to do with hardware sold.

nhh18

[QUOTE="Shattered007"]

[QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

This is like saying giving birth to a live child after having a late term abortion 5 years ago is a huge success

mrgreen108

its like having a kid that graduated from princeton(ps3) after your other kid graduated from mit with his doctorate (ps2)

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] so software sales per console sold has nothing to do with consoles sold.... gotcha, that was a nice debate we had and we should do it again some timesurrealnumber5

[QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

Yes this does make sense, but lets look at the launch dates of both. Xbox had a year head start and now can barely hold their own in their best terrirtory? If the console war ended in a few months it would be a victory for ps3. Xbox had no competition in terms of mature next gengamers for a full year and yet still have sold less units per month of existance than ps3? Thats a huge and epic failure in my book

mythrol

Because it had a year of unopposed competition, aborted its old console and is barely beating ps3. Ps3 wins in selling more per month, given an even start time xbox would have lost big time. get your facts straight too maybe would help, xbox outsold ps3 by 100k last month

[QUOTE="falldogout"]

More sales doesn't mean superior console?

A long time ago many nations supported slavery. Does that make it good?

Just cause the ps3 outsold the xbox 360 does not make it a better console.

Your not taking in the consideration of the intelligence of the consumer and the reason WHY they bought a ps3.

Maybe they got YLOD? LUL

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

its like having a kid that graduated from princeton(ps3) after your other kid graduated from mit with his doctorate (ps2)

bez2083

Not really. It's a kid who was expected to do just as well as his older brother, but instead lost all the money his older brother made for the family, and is just recently gaining his balance back after having to totally rethink his strategy.

So atm, PS2= MIT Doctorate, PS3=BA from Stanford. Good, but nowhere near expectations

And this is why being second born to an intelligent sibling who is successful sicks.

[QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

Yes this does make sense, but lets look at the launch dates of both. Xbox had a year head start and now can barely hold their own in their best terrirtory? If the console war ended in a few months it would be a victory for ps3. Xbox had no competition in terms of mature next gengamers for a full year and yet still have sold less units per month of existance than ps3? Thats a huge and epic failure in my book

mythrol

[QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]PS3 Japanese Sales for December: 622,087 360: 36,848 NA and Japan for both: PS3: 1.98 Million 360: 1.375 Million And should we really care for Wii sales anyway...? We all know what their audiences are...mythrol

You're betting what will be a different story? That the 360 will be beating the PS3 or actually putting up a fight in Japan? :lol: Ok Mr. Guy who thinks that the 360 outsold the PS3 by 300k in last months NPD. :lol: Get your facts straight. How anyone could agree with your arguments would just be proof that people will believe anything.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="falldogout"]

More sales doesn't mean superior console?

A long time ago many nations supported slavery. Does that make it good?

Just cause the ps3 outsold the xbox 360 does not make it a better console.

Your not taking in the consideration of the intelligence of the consumer and the reason WHY they bought a ps3.

Maybe they got YLOD? LUL

Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

Yes this does make sense, but lets look at the launch dates of both. Xbox had a year head start and now can barely hold their own in their best terrirtory? If the console war ended in a few months it would be a victory for ps3. Xbox had no competition in terms of mature next gengamers for a full year and yet still have sold less units per month of existance than ps3? Thats a huge and epic failure in my book

shinrabanshou

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

Yes this does make sense, but lets look at the launch dates of both. Xbox had a year head start and now can barely hold their own in their best terrirtory? If the console war ended in a few months it would be a victory for ps3. Xbox had no competition in terms of mature next gengamers for a full year and yet still have sold less units per month of existance than ps3? Thats a huge and epic failure in my book

Because it had a year of unopposed competition, aborted its old console and is barely beating ps3. Ps3 wins in selling more per month, given an even start time xbox would have lost big time

[QUOTE="Amnesiacx"]

[QUOTE="Halo__Reach"]Damn, Nintendo vs. Everyone else can only equate to: Halo__Reach

LMFAO This guy is plagiarizing message board posts from NeoGAF now. How pathetic can you be? Be original...

Because you didn't. Prove it. It will be nice to out a confirmed Xbot on GAF. :lol:

[QUOTE="opex07"]

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

The last time I saw attach rates released the 360 was 8 something and the PS3 was only 4 something quite the difference, do you have anything showing otherwise.

nhh18

Here are the NPD attach rates (tie ratios) as of September 2009:

• Xbox 360 - 8.8
• PS3 - 6.8
• Wii - 6.5 (does NOT include Wii Sports).

You're mistaken about the tie ratio including Wii Sports, these are based on NPD numbers so bundled games like Wii Sports are not included.

Who cares, they catered to different markets. Wii is a casual system while PS2 was had a little bit of everything. Congrats to Nintendo, but I hope they change their strategy next gen because the Wii honestly doesn't deserve this kind of success.

iKINGBOBi

Nintendo has ALWAYS marketed the Wii as a system for the entire family with something for everyone. You can't objectively look at the entirety of Nintendo's first-party Wii games list and still say BS like 'they have abandoned their core market and only targeted casuals'. The ONLY thing people can reasonably complain about is the lack of new, 'hardcore' IP from them (and considering the large number of IPs Nintendo have, and the lack of success with Sony's strategy of new IPs this gen, I can't blame Nintendo for being conservative here).

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]PS3 Japanese Sales for December: 622,087 360: 36,848 NA and Japan for both: PS3: 1.98 Million 360: 1.375 Million And should we really care for Wii sales anyway...? We all know what their audiences are...Amnesiacx

You're betting what will be a different story? That the 360 will be beating the PS3 or actually putting up a fight in Japan? :lol: Ok Mr. Guy who thinks that the 360 outsold the PS3 by 300k in last months NPD. :lol: Get your facts straight. How anyone could agree with your arguments would just be proof that people will believe anything.

why? does the market lie? is the sum of all human knowledge trumped by one person who is included in that body? is it not foolish or ego centric to think that one drop in that ocean eclipses the rest? what have i said that is so wrong or ban worthy? surrealnumber5

I disagree with both of you. The consuming body is irrelevant. There is no such thing as smart when you purchase something for your own personal enjoyment. Anyone who says any differently is simply wrong. You shouldn't be ban but saying the masses are smarter than one man on purchases of taste is quite wrong imo. The same way I think the hardcore gamer looking down on people with different buying habits is incredibly ignorant. I don't even know what Eddie is doing here, for someone who doen't care about sales, he surefinds sales threads just as well as I do ;)

lol

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

Yes this does make sense, but lets look at the launch dates of both. Xbox had a year head start and now can barely hold their own in their best terrirtory? If the console war ended in a few months it would be a victory for ps3. Xbox had no competition in terms of mature next gengamers for a full year and yet still have sold less units per month of existance than ps3? Thats a huge and epic failure in my book

mrgreen108

Because it had a year of unopposed competition, aborted its old console and is barely beating ps3. Ps3 wins in selling more per month, given an even start time xbox would have lost big time

Here are the NPD attach rates (tie ratios) as of September 2009:

• Xbox 360 - 8.8
• PS3 - 6.8
• Wii - 6.5 (does NOT include Wii Sports).

You're mistaken about the tie ratio including Wii Sports, these are based on NPD numbers so bundled games like Wii Sports are not included.

lazybum131

great find

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] You have a warped sense of reality. How could a console that for 2 gens was in 1st place, last gen outselling it's competition by OVER 100 MILLION units, and suddenly falling to 3rd and 8 million units BEHIND it's nearest competition be seen as a win? Microsoft coming from 24 million units sold on the original xbox (compared to over 150 million units sold by the ps2) suddenly having sold 39 million units and 8 million units ahead of the PS3 is a fail by them? Dec the PS3 beat the xbox by 50k units, Nov the 360 beat the PS3 by over 300k in NA, yet the PS3 is now king of the world? Lol. Cows.OhSnapitz

But that was just a blatantly false statement that I thought needed correcting. In writing this there's another presumably false statement in that post too. The 360 is not 8 million units ahead of the PS3, I don't think it's ever been that far ahead even before the launch of the slim.

(And yeah, 110>50... but then 150 (Nov JP) + 550 (Dec JP) + 50 (Dec US) also > 110 (Nov US)