Dec NPD.. PS3 outsells 360 by 50k units

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="opex07"]6.5 ps3, 6.2 wii, 7.5 xbox 360. This is april 22nd 2009. Wii attach rate is really 5.2 (includes wii sports).

lazybum131

Here are the NPD attach rates (tie ratios) as of September 2009:

• Xbox 360 - 8.8
• PS3 - 6.8
• Wii - 6.5 (does NOT include Wii Sports).

You're mistaken about the tie ratio including Wii Sports, these are based on NPD numbers so bundled games like Wii Sports are not included.

Who cares, they catered to different markets. Wii is a casual system while PS2 was had a little bit of everything. Congrats to Nintendo, but I hope they change their strategy next gen because the Wii honestly doesn't deserve this kind of success.

iKINGBOBi

Nintendo has ALWAYS marketed the Wii as a system for the entire family with something for everyone. You can't objectively look at the entirety of Nintendo's first-party Wii games list and still say BS like 'they have abandoned their core market and only targeted casuals'. The ONLY thing people can reasonably complain about is the lack of new, 'hardcore' IP from them (and considering the large number of IPs Nintendo have, and the lack of success with Sony's strategy of new IPs this gen, I can't blame Nintendo for being conservative here).

Damn. Nintendo absolutely dominated in both hardware and software by quite a large margin. :o

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Err... no it didn't. It was 110k...

shinrabanshou

But that was just a blatantly false statement that I thought needed correcting. In writing this there's another presumably false statement in that post too. The 360 is not 8 million units ahead of the PS3, I don't think it's ever been that far ahead even before the launch of the slim.

(And yeah, 110>50... but then 150 (Nov JP) + 550 (Dec JP) + 50 (Dec US) also > 110 (Nov US)

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="XenogearsMaster"]PS3 Japanese Sales for December: 622,087 360: 36,848 NA and Japan for both: PS3: 1.98 Million 360: 1.375 Million And should we really care for Wii sales anyway...? We all know what their audiences are...Amnesiacx

You're betting what will be a different story? That the 360 will be beating the PS3 or actually putting up a fight in Japan? :lol: Ok Mr. Guy who thinks that the 360 outsold the PS3 by 300k in last months NPD. :lol: Get your facts straight. How anyone could agree with your arguments would just be proof that people will believe anything.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]why? does the market lie? is the sum of all human knowledge trumped by one person who is included in that body? is it not foolish or ego centric to think that one drop in that ocean eclipses the rest? what have i said that is so wrong or ban worthy? ActicEdge

I disagree with both of you. The consuming body is irrelevant. There is no such thing as smart when you purchase something for your own personal enjoyment. Anyone who says any differently is simply wrong. You shouldn't be ban but saying the masses are smarter than one man on purchases of taste is quite wrong imo. The same way I think the hardcore gamer looking down on people with different buying habits is incredibly ignorant. I don't even know what Eddie is doing here, for someone who doen't care about sales, he surefinds sales threads just as well as I do ;)

[QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] You have a warped sense of reality. How could a console that for 2 gens was in 1st place, last gen outselling it's competition by OVER 100 MILLION units, and suddenly falling to 3rd and 8 million units BEHIND it's nearest competition be seen as a win? Microsoft coming from 24 million units sold on the original xbox (compared to over 150 million units sold by the ps2) suddenly having sold 39 million units and 8 million units ahead of the PS3 is a fail by them? Dec the PS3 beat the xbox by 50k units, Nov the 360 beat the PS3 by over 300k in NA, yet the PS3 is now king of the world? Lol. Cows.Shattered007

Because it had a year of unopposed competition, aborted its old console and is barely beating ps3. Ps3 wins in selling more per month, given an even start time xbox would have lost big time

I like how you are using microsofts shipment numbers and then using vgchartz ps3 numbers to skew your argument. the shipment numbers mean there is still 1-2 million consoles sitting in the channels waiting to be sold at anytime. where are you getting the 31 million number for sony? vg chartz?

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] 110k is a little more than 50.. However that's splitting hairs. He makes a good point. No one seems to give M$ credit for what they've accomplished this gen and it's far from over (especially with Natal on the horizon). Come November 2010... The 360 will have been on the market for the console standard 5 years and it has already far eclipsed the original XB. It may even reach as much as 50 mil.. That's a pretty big accomplishment from the original. OhSnapitz

But that was just a blatantly false statement that I thought needed correcting. In writing this there's another presumably false statement in that post too. The 360 is not 8 million units ahead of the PS3, I don't think it's ever been that far ahead even before the launch of the slim.

(And yeah, 110>50... but then 150 (Nov JP) + 550 (Dec JP) + 50 (Dec US) also > 110 (Nov US)

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] Wow you should be banned for this post imo. Dead serious btw.Eddie-Vedder

110k is a little more than 50.. However that's splitting hairs. He makes a good point. No one seems to give M$ credit for what they've accomplished this gen and it's far from over (especially with Natal on the horizon). Come November 2010... The 360 will have been on the market for the console standard 5 years and it has already far eclipsed the original XB. It may even reach as much as 50 mil.. That's a pretty big accomplishment from the original. OhSnapitz

But that was just a blatantly false statement that I thought needed correcting. In writing this there's another presumably false statement in that post too. The 360 is not 8 million units ahead of the PS3, I don't think it's ever been that far ahead even before the launch of the slim.

(And yeah, 110>50... but then 150 (Nov JP) + 550 (Dec JP) + 50 (Dec US) also > 110 (Nov US)

[QUOTE="Amnesiacx"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] PS3 sales were HIGHLY inflated in Japan due to FFXIII launch. Let's wait and see how sales are in a few months from now. I'm betting it will be a different story.mythrol

You're betting what will be a different story? That the 360 will be beating the PS3 or actually putting up a fight in Japan? :lol: Ok Mr. Guy who thinks that the 360 outsold the PS3 by 300k in last months NPD. :lol: Get your facts straight. How anyone could agree with your arguments would just be proof that people will believe anything.

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Oh I give credit where credit's due. The 360 has done phenomenally considering it's predecessor's performance. And I wrote earlier it's managed to become a pop culture icon (in the US) which in itself makes it a success.

But that was just a blatantly false statement that I thought needed correcting. In writing this there's another presumably false statement in that post too. The 360 is not 8 million units ahead of the PS3, I don't think it's ever been that far ahead even before the launch of the slim.

(And yeah, 110>50... but then 150 (Nov JP) + 550 (Dec JP) + 50 (Dec US) also > 110 (Nov US)

Shattered007

[QUOTE="chikenfriedrice"]

doesn't everybody in the world that has electricity already have a Wii? how does it keep gettin those numbers lol

Midnightshade29

The waggle == the new rattle.. Oh and then there are those couples that use the wii for.. oh forget it, we've all seen the you-tube videos. You guys need to remember that people multiply at incredible rates. There are so many parents in this world who buy their kids wii's because their family friendly or they think they will loose weight with them , as we know it's not the hardcore crowd buying wii's or 3rd party sales would be better then 3000 copies of dead space in a month (or what ever low number it was.)

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]why? does the market lie? is the sum of all human knowledge trumped by one person who is included in that body? is it not foolish or ego centric to think that one drop in that ocean eclipses the rest? what have i said that is so wrong or ban worthy? ActicEdge

I disagree with both of you. The consuming body is irrelevant. There is no such thing as smart when you purchase something for your own personal enjoyment. Anyone who says any differently is simply wrong. You shouldn't be ban but saying the masses are smarter than one man on purchases of taste is quite wrong imo. The same way I think the hardcore gamer looking down on people with different buying habits is incredibly ignorant. I don't even know what Eddie is doing here, for someone who doen't care about sales, he surefinds sales threads just as well as I do ;)

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Err... no it didn't. It was 110k...

shinrabanshou

But that was just a blatantly false statement that I thought needed correcting. In writing this there's another presumably false statement in that post too. The 360 is not 8 million units ahead of the PS3, I don't think it's ever been that far ahead even before the launch of the slim.

(And yeah, 110>50... but then 150 (Nov JP) + 550 (Dec JP) + 50 (Dec US) also > 110 (Nov US)

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]why? does the market lie? is the sum of all human knowledge trumped by one person who is included in that body? is it not foolish or ego centric to think that one drop in that ocean eclipses the rest? what have i said that is so wrong or ban worthy? Eddie-Vedder

I disagree with both of you. The consuming body is irrelevant. There is no such thing as smart when you purchase something for your own personal enjoyment. Anyone who says any differently is simply wrong. You shouldn't be ban but saying the masses are smarter than one man on purchases of taste is quite wrong imo. The same way I think the hardcore gamer looking down on people with different buying habits is incredibly ignorant. I don't even know what Eddie is doing here, for someone who doen't care about sales, he surefinds sales threads just as well as I do ;)

My question is this. Which one of us dealt with this statement better? Well I respect you are consistent there is no neeed to come into every thread all "sales suxxors, play GamEZ BRaHS". It serves no purpose. Just state your case and move on. I think you're both wrong, I said so, its over. Unless we're insulting IGN, there is no need for such consistent repetitve comments lol. The only people who truly think sales equal quality in an industry about personal enjoymnent are wrong. The same way peoplle who are depressed 7.5 Wiifit plus outselling AAA Demon Souls need to get a grip. The consumer doesn't care about some subjective quality forced on them by bias reviewers with agendas, they care about enjoying their purchase. Why must we belittle them for that?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]why? does the market lie? is the sum of all human knowledge trumped by one person who is included in that body? is it not foolish or ego centric to think that one drop in that ocean eclipses the rest? what have i said that is so wrong or ban worthy? surrealnumber5

I disagree with both of you. The consuming body is irrelevant. There is no such thing as smart when you purchase something for your own personal enjoyment. Anyone who says any differently is simply wrong. You shouldn't be ban but saying the masses are smarter than one man on purchases of taste is quite wrong imo. The same way I think the hardcore gamer looking down on people with different buying habits is incredibly ignorant. I don't even know what Eddie is doing here, for someone who doen't care about sales, he surefinds sales threads just as well as I do ;)

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]why? does the market lie? is the sum of all human knowledge trumped by one person who is included in that body? is it not foolish or ego centric to think that one drop in that ocean eclipses the rest? what have i said that is so wrong or ban worthy? surrealnumber5

I disagree with both of you. The consuming body is irrelevant. There is no such thing as smart when you purchase something for your own personal enjoyment. Anyone who says any differently is simply wrong. You shouldn't be ban but saying the masses are smarter than one man on purchases of taste is quite wrong imo. The same way I think the hardcore gamer looking down on people with different buying habits is incredibly ignorant. I don't even know what Eddie is doing here, for someone who doen't care about sales, he surefinds sales threads just as well as I do ;)

This I agree with 100%. If people work for their money, they are entitled to spend it how they wish. To say the masses are more right is wrong. No one is correct in their purchases because there is no correct purchase. Its all for entertainment, buying what you find entertaing is all that matters. Anyone who would attack other peoples sense of enjoyment is not worth the effort imo.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

I disagree with both of you. The consuming body is irrelevant. There is no such thing as smart when you purchase something for your own personal enjoyment. Anyone who says any differently is simply wrong. You shouldn't be ban but saying the masses are smarter than one man on purchases of taste is quite wrong imo. The same way I think the hardcore gamer looking down on people with different buying habits is incredibly ignorant. I don't even know what Eddie is doing here, for someone who doen't care about sales, he surefinds sales threads just as well as I do ;)

Eddie-Vedder

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="Amnesiacx"]

You're betting what will be a different story? That the 360 will be beating the PS3 or actually putting up a fight in Japan? :lol: Ok Mr. Guy who thinks that the 360 outsold the PS3 by 300k in last months NPD. :lol: Get your facts straight. How anyone could agree with your arguments would just be proof that people will believe anything.

nhh18

[QUOTE="Shattered007"][QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] I disagree with using Japanese numbers however do as you will.. However the 360 did have an 8 million userbase lead in 2006, but It's not that high anymore. OhSnapitz

Your argueing personal taste which is fine, I have no problem with whatever it is you like, however popularity =\= quality, personal taste =\= quality. Sales = quality doesn't even make sense, do games get better over time? Is Halo 3 better today then it was in 2007 because it's sold more? Is it going to be better tommotow cause it sold a couple mroe copies? Don't you see there are a ton of factors that go into sales, price, userbase, target audience, marketing etc... Eddie-Vedder

When you buy something for your own entertainment there is no objective quality. Not that's relevant unless you're an elitest who is concerned with what other people find fun. That is the point.

Saying sales =/= quality is fine if you want to look at it from a really basic narrow view. Sales do say what the consumer did find to be a quality or look like a quality experience however that they may enjoy. As long as that is being met, why does it matter if some reviewer gave the game a 2? Does it bug you that deeply? This is where I think the sales discreditorsgo too far imo. It sold well because people saw value in it. That value has meaning and worth, more so than the review score attached to it.

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] No, that the PS3 sales will drop back low to around 300k higher than the 360's in Japan. And that the 360 sales will start moving higher than the PS3's again in NA (especially after Natal). Hence, when you add JPN+NA, there will be a different story than the PS3 selling almost 700k more units than the 360. Are people so unable to comprehend that they have to put words in my mouth?mythrol

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="OhSnapitz"] 110k is a little more than 50.. However that's splitting hairs. He makes a good point. No one seems to give M$ credit for what they've accomplished this gen and it's far from over (especially with Natal on the horizon). Come November 2010... The 360 will have been on the market for the console standard 5 years and it has already far eclipsed the original XB. It may even reach as much as 50 mil.. That's a pretty big accomplishment from the original. mythrol

But that was just a blatantly false statement that I thought needed correcting. In writing this there's another presumably false statement in that post too. The 360 is not 8 million units ahead of the PS3, I don't think it's ever been that far ahead even before the launch of the slim.

(And yeah, 110>50... but then 150 (Nov JP) + 550 (Dec JP) + 50 (Dec US) also > 110 (Nov US)

I like how you quote microsofts shipment numbers then use the sales on vgchartz for ps3to try to validate your point. However these numbers are skewed seeing as shipments dont equal sales. There is still 1-2 million consoles sitting in the channels waiting to be sold at anytime, and sony hasn't even announced their numbers since september except to say they sold 3.6 million worldwide in december

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Your argueing personal taste which is fine, I have no problem with whatever it is you like, however popularity =\= quality, personal taste =\= quality. Sales = quality doesn't even make sense, do games get better over time? Is Halo 3 better today then it was in 2007 because it's sold more? Is it going to be better tommotow cause it sold a couple mroe copies? Don't you see there are a ton of factors that go into sales, price, userbase, target audience, marketing etc... ActicEdge

When you buy something for your own entertainment there is no objective quality. Not that's relevant unless you're an elitest who is concerned with what other people find fun. That is the point.

Saying sales =/= quality is fine if you want to look at it from a really basic narrow view. Sales do say what the consumer did find to be a quality or look like a quality experience however that they may enjoy. As long as that is being met, why does it matter if some reviewer gave the game a 2? Does it bug you that deeply? This is where I think the sales discreditorsgo too far imo. It sold well because people saw value in it. That value has meaning and worth, more so than the review score attached to it.

And the review thing, I have a question, if a game got a 2 from major gaming publication, and sold like 10 million copies, would you honestly think it was quality? And if a game sold terribly but got a 10 everywhere, would you think it sucks? Educated opinions all directed the same way holds a lot more weight then sales data when talking about quality.

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Oh I give credit where credit's due. The 360 has done phenomenally considering it's predecessor's performance. And I wrote earlier it's managed to become a pop culture icon (in the US) which in itself makes it a success.

But that was just a blatantly false statement that I thought needed correcting. In writing this there's another presumably false statement in that post too. The 360 is not 8 million units ahead of the PS3, I don't think it's ever been that far ahead even before the launch of the slim.

(And yeah, 110>50... but then 150 (Nov JP) + 550 (Dec JP) + 50 (Dec US) also > 110 (Nov US)

mrgreen108

I like how you quote microsofts shipment numbers then use the sales on vgchartz for ps3to try to validate your point. However these numbers are skewed seeing as shipments dont equal sales. There is still 1-2 million consoles sitting in the channels waiting to be sold at anytime, and sony hasn't even announced their numbers since september except to say they sold 3.6 million worldwide in december

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="nhh18"]Natal? Tell me why natal will sell more consoles than halo reach. It would be successful if it reachs 5 million by the end of 2011. Halo reach, gran turismo 5 are the two system sellers next year. Natal is going to do nothing.

nhh18

Nintendo can buy a small country with all that money :shock:

Microsoft needs a 200$ xbox elite now

[QUOTE="Amnesiacx"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] PS3 sales were HIGHLY inflated in Japan due to FFXIII launch. Let's wait and see how sales are in a few months from now. I'm betting it will be a different story.mythrol

You're betting what will be a different story? That the 360 will be beating the PS3 or actually putting up a fight in Japan? :lol: Ok Mr. Guy who thinks that the 360 outsold the PS3 by 300k in last months NPD. :lol: Get your facts straight. How anyone could agree with your arguments would just be proof that people will believe anything.

What makes you believe that the 360 will start selling more than the PS3 against in NA when it couldn't in December? And when it couldn't counting all of the months post Slim launch? Is all you have in your argument Natal? :lol: Really sounds like wishful thinking to me. But ok, I'll entertain the theory that the 360 MIGHT outsell the PS3 when Natal finally hits, in the fall of next year, but by then it will have been a full year+ of Sony outselling them worldwide with the PS3 Slim being the better deal in the majority of consumers minds. I still think it will be too little too late by that point and you aren't taking into account what Sony is planning to do to counteract anything MS will try.

The only thing, literally the only thing that MS has had on Sony so far this generation is the fact that they held over on Sony in the North America territory, every other territory they've been comparable to Sony or they've been getting downright trounced (Hi Japan and a couple European countries). And now going by these last 4 months of the Slim effect, MS doesn't control their only territory left anymore. :lol: This is why what mrgreen is arguing has merit and why what you are trying to argue, doesn't.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]Your argueing personal taste which is fine, I have no problem with whatever it is you like, however popularity =\= quality, personal taste =\= quality. Sales = quality doesn't even make sense, do games get better over time? Is Halo 3 better today then it was in 2007 because it's sold more? Is it going to be better tommotow cause it sold a couple mroe copies? Don't you see there are a ton of factors that go into sales, price, userbase, target audience, marketing etc... Eddie-Vedder

When you buy something for your own entertainment there is no objective quality. Not that's relevant unless you're an elitest who is concerned with what other people find fun. That is the point.

Saying sales =/= quality is fine if you want to look at it from a really basic narrow view. Sales do say what the consumer did find to be a quality or look like a quality experience however that they may enjoy. As long as that is being met, why does it matter if some reviewer gave the game a 2? Does it bug you that deeply? This is where I think the sales discreditorsgo too far imo. It sold well because people saw value in it. That value has meaning and worth, more so than the review score attached to it.

And the review thing, I have a question, if a game got a 2 from major gaming publication, and sold like 10 million copies, would you honestly think it was quality? And if a game sold terribly but got a 10 everywhere, would you think it sucks? Educated opinions all directed the same way holds a lot more weight then sales data when talking about quality.

We'd never know. Basically this is why I said perceive asquality as well. I don't think sales = quality indefinitely. I do think that there is some correlation though. Also note that quality is a broad term and I'm apllying it in the broadness.

Really, I don't listen to reviews at all anymore so I'm not the one to ask. If a 2 out of 10 sold 10 million copies, I'd be ignorant to look solely at the score and jump to a conclusion. Atleast, that's my take. Like wise if a 10 out of 10 sold weakly, I'd have to look at the title. In my opinion though, being a 10/10 doesn't entitle you to sales. You aren't being bought on your gamer reputation, you are being bought fo rthe purpose of entertaining after all. But yes, I think its sad to see what seem like good games sell poorly. I don't think its sad to see poorly rated games sell well however. If someone is having fun, I'm not bothered.

Reviews only hold weight if you have a narrow definition of quality, mine is not as narrow as a lot of peoples however.

Is it ok to start spamming "360 is doomed" threads now?

Blue-Sky

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Is it ok to start spamming "360 is doomed" threads now?

FIipMode

Cows? *refers to aku*

[QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] You're right, it was 110k. Sorry that was a mistake on my part. So in another 2 months if Sony continues this "sales spike" in NA, they will finally catch up past the sales they lost to the 360 in November. *rolls eyes* Why would anyone be pounding their chest in pride after beating a system that's been out a year longer by 50k units in NA? As far as the 360 being 8 million units ahead that's a rough number but close to accurate. Microsoft announced the 360 as having sold 39 million units at CES 2010 and right now the PS3 is hovering around 31 million units sold (no new numbers yet from Sony). So give or take a few hundred thousand, The 360 really is sitting about 8 million ahead right now.mythrol

I like how you quote microsofts shipment numbers then use the sales on vgchartz for ps3to try to validate your point. However these numbers are skewed seeing as shipments dont equal sales. There is still 1-2 million consoles sitting in the channels waiting to be sold at anytime, and sony hasn't even announced their numbers since september except to say they sold 3.6 million worldwide in december

Sold to retailers. Dig up a quote that says sold to consumers. Sony hasn't announced any numbers so you take a shipment number from xbox and mysterious 31 million out of nowhere to support your 8 million lead for microsoft? That is a real sound demonstration of logical thought process

You're right, it was 110k. Sorry that was a mistake on my part. So in another 2 months if Sony continues this "sales spike" in NA, they will finally catch up past the sales they lost to the 360 in November. *rolls eyes* mythrol

LMAO right, conveniently ignore the 210k that the PS3 outsold the 360 in the 2 months previous to November.

Epic fail brah.

In other video gaming news, the 360 outsold the PS3 4,770,000 to 4,334,500 YTD for 2009

Thought this was implied buy the Sony fanboys don't like it when you don't say NPDs or US because right now all the care about is Media Crates and some weird notion that Europe= 1,000,000+ a month in sales for Sony.

Um, last time I checked, North America wasn't the only market video game hardware was sold...

[QUOTE="FIipMode"][QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

Is it ok to start spamming "360 is doomed" threads now?

Modern_Unit

Cows? *refers to aku*

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

When you buy something for your own entertainment there is no objective quality. Not that's relevant unless you're an elitest who is concerned with what other people find fun. That is the point.

Saying sales =/= quality is fine if you want to look at it from a really basic narrow view. Sales do say what the consumer did find to be a quality or look like a quality experience however that they may enjoy. As long as that is being met, why does it matter if some reviewer gave the game a 2? Does it bug you that deeply? This is where I think the sales discreditorsgo too far imo. It sold well because people saw value in it. That value has meaning and worth, more so than the review score attached to it.

ActicEdge

And the review thing, I have a question, if a game got a 2 from major gaming publication, and sold like 10 million copies, would you honestly think it was quality? And if a game sold terribly but got a 10 everywhere, would you think it sucks? Educated opinions all directed the same way holds a lot more weight then sales data when talking about quality.

We'd never know. Basically this is why I said perceive asquality as well. I don't think sales = quality indefinitely. I do think that there is some correlation though. Also note that quality is a broad term and I'm apllying it in the broadness.

Really, I don't listen to reviews at all anymore so I'm not the one to ask. If a 2 out of 10 sold 10 million copies, I'd be ignorant to look solely at the score and jump to a conclusion. Atleast, that's my take. Like wise if a 10 out of 10 sold weakly, I'd have to look at the title. In my opinion though, being a 10/10 doesn't entitle you to sales. You aren't being bought on your gamer reputation, you are being bought fo rthe purpose of entertaining after all. But yes, I think its sad to see what seem like good games sell poorly. I don't think its sad to see poorly rated games sell well however. If someone is having fun, I'm not bothered.

Reviews only hold weight if you have a narrow definition of quality, mine is not as narrow as a lot of peoples however.

Um, last time I checked, North America wasn't the only market video game hardware was sold...

dual_boot

Where are all you North America discreditors when I post a Media Create thread. . . every week and it struggles to get to 40 posts? It seems people like to hate on NPD more than actually look at all the other numbers when they are around.

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="mrgreen108"]

I like how you quote microsofts shipment numbers then use the sales on vgchartz for ps3to try to validate your point. However these numbers are skewed seeing as shipments dont equal sales. There is still 1-2 million consoles sitting in the channels waiting to be sold at anytime, and sony hasn't even announced their numbers since september except to say they sold 3.6 million worldwide in december

Sold to retailers. Dig up a quote that says sold to consumers. Sony hasn't announced any numbers so you take a shipment number from xbox and mysterious 31 million out of nowhere to support your 8 million lead for microsoft? That is a real sound demonstration of logical thought process

In other video gaming news, the 360 outsold the PS3 4,770,000 to 4,334,500 YTD for 2009Shattered007

In the usa. In other news sony sold more consoles than xbox worldwide in 2009

Why do cows and lems fight over second place. It boggles the mind.Nintendownzyou

because no one cares how many 8 year olds, todllers or senior citizens own a wii

Why do cows and lems fight over second place. It boggles the mind.Nintendownzyou

Oh dear. *Looks at username*:roll:

[QUOTE="Shattered007"]In other video gaming news, the 360 outsold the PS3 4,770,000 to 4,334,500 YTD for 2009mrgreen108

In the usa. In other news sony sold more consoles than xbox worldwide in 2009