destroying the myth ..... AW IS a linear game.

http://www.totalvideogames.com/Alan-Wake/news/Alan-Wake-No-Longer-Open-World-14384.html

http://www.vg247.com/2010/04/12/remedy-announcing-alan-wake-as-a-open-world-game-was-a-mistake/

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/review-alan-wake/65249GT" making no mistake, the game is linear ..... the experience is all about taking you from point A to point B ... "

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/108/1087706p2.htmlIGN "Exploration is limited to small areas around the linear path forward and, aside from the radios and televisions, there are a wealth of collectibles to pick up and hidden ammunition and weapons to uncover"

i saw a couple of videos and here is a map i came up with which may demonstrate how the game looks like any other what are called linear games, just add some branched paths and good background with alot of trees and mountains and you got what it seems like an open world game ...... the game is pretty linear, single objective withsome collectables on the way.

i know my drawing is washing out the heavy foliage of the game :D, so for foliage king supporters, plzz forgive me, in fact i dictate this thread to the seekar, soalin and obamaian ....wutever .

Discuss.

Alan Wakes' main plot line is linear, but the world is massive and open to provide an extra layer of exploration for collectible hunting (the thermos and manuscript pages)

Alan Wakes' main plot line is linear, but the world is massive and open to provide an extra layer of exploration for collectible hunting (the thermos and manuscript pages)

AdobeArtist

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Alan Wakes' main plot line is linear, but the world is massive and open to provide an extra layer of exploration for collectible hunting (the thermos and manuscript pages)

GeneralShowzer

Fram having actually played the game of course. The environments offer plenty of open ended free-roaming, off the main plot path.

Just ordered this along with Alpha Protocol and will have it later this week. Amazon already has it for 49.99, so I am glad I waited a couple of weeks.

On topic, I have seen nearly the entire game being played in a stream and it looked more open than something like Uncharted 2, but linear enough to create tension. Cannot wait to finally play it.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Alan Wakes' main plot line is linear, but the world is massive and open to provide an extra layer of exploration for collectible hunting (the thermos and manuscript pages)

GeneralShowzer

There

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Alan Wakes' main plot line is linear, but the world is massive and open to provide an extra layer of exploration for collectible hunting (the thermos and manuscript pages)

theseekar

There

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related

be serious,man ... i have 2 of the most credible gaming sites stating that the game is linear .... i have dev saying the game isn't open world ..... the videos shows large area with only one way to go, no side missions or anything to do, only some ammo to collect ........ i can't own you more :P .

Its a linear game like Silent Hill and Resident Evil. Still it runs on an open world engine.

Alan Wakes' main plot line is linear, but the world is massive and open to provide an extra layer of exploration for collectible hunting (the thermos and manuscript pages)

AdobeArtist

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] It's certanly not massive and open. I don' t know where you got that from.2mrw

There

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related

be serious,man ... i have 2 of the most credible gaming sites stating that the game is linear .... i have dev saying the game isn't open world ..... the videos shows large area with only one way to go, no side missions or anything to do, only some ammo to collect ........ i can't own you more :P .

I said in my very first statement - the main plot path is linear, but that the environments are subtantially open to offer a layer of free roaming off the main path to explore for collectibles, or maybe just to explore the scenery itself.

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Alan Wakes' main plot line is linear, but the world is massive and open to provide an extra layer of exploration for collectible hunting (the thermos and manuscript pages)

FailureImoOfc

I already proved in th other thread that I DID play the game. It's in my gamercard, you just have to click it to see it my my recent history. Can you do the same? ;)

I've played it , I liked it a lot and the game is very, very LINEAR.Nothing wrong with that, doesn't change the fact its a great game but please stop calling it "open world/sandbox" game.Its not.

The game is linear but is that a bad thing? Diviniuz

Someone else described Alan Wake perfectly in another thread, but I can't remember who said it or what thread it was (yeah, im useless) But anyway, the jist of it was that Alan Wake is a linear game, but despite that it manages to create a sense of freedom and openess. You don't feel trapped while wandering through forests or along paths.

[QUOTE="2mrw"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

There

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related

theseekar

be serious,man ... i have 2 of the most credible gaming sites stating that the game is linear .... i have dev saying the game isn't open world ..... the videos shows large areawith only one way to go, no side missions or anything to do, only some ammo to collect ........ i can't own you more :P .

You have nothing of those, because you did not provide any links

Also i have videos, that show an open vast world in some levels

The game IS linear, but some of its levels are open and huge, fact is you need a radar to show the next objective or you would be lost

Also, look at what you just wrote, i wonder you only owned yourself

looks at the OP, and i was talking about ur videos ........ you know wut ??? i am not ready to be modded again because of you. From here on, you will be invisible for me.

Someone else described Alan Wake perfectly in another thread, but I can't remember who said it or what thread it was (yeah, im useless) But anyway, the jist of it was that Alan Wake is a linear game, but despite that it manages to create a sense of freedom and openess. You don't feel trapped while wondering through forests or along paths.

Anjunaddict

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

Someone else described Alan Wake perfectly in another thread, but I can't remember who said it or what thread it was (yeah, im useless) But anyway, the jist of it was that Alan Wake is a linear game, but despite that it manages to create a sense of freedom and openess. You don't feel trapped while wondering through forests or along paths.

GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="2mrw"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

There

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related

AdobeArtist

be serious,man ... i have 2 of the most credible gaming sites stating that the game is linear .... i have dev saying the game isn't open world ..... the videos shows large area with only one way to go, no side missions or anything to do, only some ammo to collect ........ i can't own you more :P .

I said in my very first statement - the main plot path is linear, but that the environments are subtantially open to offer a layer of free roaming off the main path to explore for collectibles, or maybe just to explore the scenery itself.

Just ordered this along with Alpha Protocol and will have it later this week. Amazon already has it for 49.99, so I am glad I waited a couple of weeks.

On topic, I have seen nearly the entire game being played in a stream and it looked more open than something like Uncharted 2, but linear enough to create tension. Cannot wait to finally play it.

ironcreed

Amazon had Alan Wake at that price the day after it was released and they still had the $10 game credit offer too.

The game is pretty linear and awesome. There were times where you could go someone else other than follow the story, but I didn't want to. Plus there really isn't much incentive to do so for me.

[QUOTE="2mrw"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

There

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related

theseekar

be serious,man ... i have 2 of the most credible gaming sites stating that the game is linear .... i have dev saying the game isn't open world ..... the videos shows large areawith only one way to go, no side missions or anything to do, only some ammo to collect ........ i can't own you more :P .

You have nothing of those, because you did not provide any links

Also i have videos, that show an open vast world in some levels

The game IS linear, but some of its levels are open and huge, fact is you need a radar to show the next objective or you would be lost

Also, look at what you just wrote, i wonder you only owned yourself

You'll ignore the first link since I posted this before and two posters ignored it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ3RdCX5jBk&feature=related

But of course you have areas like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l22ABWW3BUo&feature=related

But what you don't understand is that although the space may appear large it is still linear. Exploration in a game isn't new.

Doesn't it make it a lesser game though. From what I've played so far it fuses excellent presentation and storytelling into some very competent gameplay.mo0ksi

The game would have been a good deal better (its already a great game) if they made a effort of actually made it scary..

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]Doesn't it make it a lesser game though. From what I've played so far it fuses excellent presentation and storytelling into some very competent gameplay.sSubZerOo

The game would have been a good deal better (its already a great game) if they made a effort of actually made it scary..

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]Doesn't it make it a lesser game though. From what I've played so far it fuses excellent presentation and storytelling into some very competent gameplay.sSubZerOo

The game would have been a good deal better (its already a great game) if they made a effort of actually made it scary..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]Doesn't it make it a lesser game though. From what I've played so far it fuses excellent presentation and storytelling into some very competent gameplay.savagetwinkie

The game would have been a good deal better (its already a great game) if they made a effort of actually made it scary..

I understand this point, I am talking about the enemies he faced.. The game would have been more thrilling if the enemies were actually fearful.. I am not talking about the actual plot points.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="mo0ksi"]Doesn't it make it a lesser game though. From what I've played so far it fuses excellent presentation and storytelling into some very competent gameplay.Anjunaddict

The game would have been a good deal better (its already a great game) if they made a effort of actually made it scary..

.. That does not some how make it that it can't be scary when your trudging through miles of wildness.. I am not talking about changing any of the plot or what not.. But imo the game would have been better if the enemies were far more intimidating and what not.

[QUOTE="2mrw"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

There

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related

AdobeArtist

be serious,man ... i have 2 of the most credible gaming sites stating that the game is linear .... i have dev saying the game isn't open world ..... the videos shows large area with only one way to go, no side missions or anything to do, only some ammo to collect ........ i can't own you more :P .

I said in my very first statement - the main plot path is linear, but that the environments are subtantially open to offer a layer of free roaming off the main path to explore for collectibles, or maybe just to explore the scenery itself.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

The game would have been a good deal better (its already a great game) if they made a effort of actually made it scary..

I understand this point, I am talking about the enemies he faced.. The game would have been more thrilling if the enemies were actually fearful.. I am not talking about the actual plot points.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

The game would have been a good deal better (its already a great game) if they made a effort of actually made it scary..

sSubZerOo

.. That does not some how make it that it can't be scary when your trudging through miles of wildness.. I am not talking about changing any of the plot or what not.. But imo the game would have been better if the enemies were far more intimidating and what not.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"] Its a psychological thriller, not a horror.

Anjunaddict

.. That does not some how make it that it can't be scary when your trudging through miles of wildness.. I am not talking about changing any of the plot or what not.. But imo the game would have been better if the enemies were far more intimidating and what not.

Lets put it thsi way if your facing what Alan Wake was facing in the wilderness you would be scared out of your mind.. BUTTT the game transitioned horribly to the actual player to the enemies not being very intimdiating or scary.. They did a poor job there. Thats why I say that the game would have been a better game if they made that transition better in trying to make it scary.. And don't say they didn't try to make it scary.. Every fight was in mist settings and there were quite a few jump out seens the game apparently wanted to scare you from.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

.. That does not some how make it that it can't be scary when your trudging through miles of wildness.. I am not talking about changing any of the plot or what not.. But imo the game would have been better if the enemies were far more intimidating and what not.

sSubZerOo

Lets put it thsi way if your facing what Alan Wake was facing in the wilderness you would be scared out of your mind.. BUTTT the game transitioned horribly to the actual player to the enemies not being very intimdiating or scary.. They did a poor job there. Thats why I say that the game would have been a better game if they made that transition better in trying to make it scary.. And don't say they didn't try to make it scary.. Every fight was in mist settings and there were quite a few jump out seens the game apparently wanted to scare you from.

The mist setting is to create tension btw, not to be scary, they did something similar in silent hill with the radio. Half the time you can't really see the enemy in the woods or through the thick fog

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"] In what way? I suppose it would have been cool to have to fend off animals and stuff when you're wandering through forests that were consumed by the darkness. But as for the enemies in the game, it makes sense for them to be the way they are. savagetwinkie

Lets put it thsi way if your facing what Alan Wake was facing in the wilderness you would be scared out of your mind.. BUTTT the game transitioned horribly to the actual player to the enemies not being very intimdiating or scary.. They did a poor job there. Thats why I say that the game would have been a better game if they made that transition better in trying to make it scary.. And don't say they didn't try to make it scary.. Every fight was in mist settings and there were quite a few jump out seens the game apparently wanted to scare you from.

The mist setting is to create tension btw, not to be scary, they did something similar in silent hill with the radio. Half the time you can't really see the enemy in the woods or through the think fog

Yes and getting knocekd around by a bunch of crazy wombats and dieing fromt hem can be pretty intimidating to them.. It doesn't actually make it scary.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Lets put it thsi way if your facing what Alan Wake was facing in the wilderness you would be scared out of your mind.. BUTTT the game transitioned horribly to the actual player to the enemies not being very intimdiating or scary.. They did a poor job there. Thats why I say that the game would have been a better game if they made that transition better in trying to make it scary.. And don't say they didn't try to make it scary.. Every fight was in mist settings and there were quite a few jump out seens the game apparently wanted to scare you from.

The mist setting is to create tension btw, not to be scary, they did something similar in silent hill with the radio. Half the time you can't really see the enemy in the woods or through the think fog

Yes and getting knocekd around by a bunch of crazy wombats and dieing fromt hem can be pretty intimidating to them.. It doesn't actually make it scary.

[QUOTE="Anjunaddict"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

.. That does not some how make it that it can't be scary when your trudging through miles of wildness.. I am not talking about changing any of the plot or what not.. But imo the game would have been better if the enemies were far more intimidating and what not.

sSubZerOo

Lets put it thsi way if your facing what Alan Wake was facing in the wilderness you would be scared out of your mind.. BUTTT the game transitioned horribly to the actual player to the enemies not being very intimdiating or scary.. They did a poor job there. Thats why I say that the game would have been a better game if they made that transition better in trying to make it scary.. And don't say they didn't try to make it scary.. Every fight was in mist settings and there were quite a few jump out seens the game apparently wanted to scare you from.

Alan Wakes' main plot line is linear, but the world is massive and open to provide an extra layer of exploration for collectible hunting (the thermos and manuscript pages)

AdobeArtist

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[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

Alan Wakes' main plot line is linear, but the world is massive and open to provide an extra layer of exploration for collectible hunting (the thermos and manuscript pages)

AdobeArtist

Fram having actually played the game of course. The environments offer plenty of open ended free-roaming, off the main plot path.

Alan Wakes' main plot line is linear, but the world is massive and open to provide an extra layer of exploration for collectible hunting (the thermos and manuscript pages)

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Alan Wakes' main plot line is linear, but the world is massive and open to provide an extra layer of exploration for collectible hunting (the thermos and manuscript pages)

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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="designer-"] There is nothing massive about the Alan Wake maps. For maybe 2 episodes in specific sections you have some "open" going on but calling Alan Wakes world massive would force you to use ridiculous words like gargantuan, and bigger then life for actual open world games (i.e Just Cause 2, Oblivion, Fallout, GTA, e.t.c). The fact is the game is linear, there is no division away from main plot there are just collectibles, its not as if you get side quests.

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It certainly feels expansive, but this is more due to some impressive work on what is a boundary and what is not on Remedy's part. I guess to clarify this is clearly a game that is bigger then Uncharted 2 or Halo 3, but it is smaller then Stalker or even Vampires the Masquerade and by proxy the other games I previously mentioned. designer-

No, you don't have to fight most of the enemies in the game, theres enough open areas in the woods you can see the guys in just go around them, and sprint for a lighted area. There wasn't tons of areas where they forced you to fight by bottlenecking your path into enemies. Thats what i mean by open, UC2, COD, put enemies directly in front of you 90% of the time and don't give you a way to try to circumvent figthing, unless you feel like playing red rover with gunssavagetwinkie

I guess our experiences differed. It is fair though that the enemies are not thrown in your face in the COD, UC way...

edit: haha this very much got off topic. U2, CoD, Halo all aside. Alan Wake is more open than a linear shooter, but not as massive or expansive as an open world adventure

That is pretty cruel TC, the 360 gamers were really pushing this game as the best looking open world title but you just had to go and step on their dreams, that goes double for the other thread that proves AW's graphics do not compare to the best on PS3.