Diablo III is the greatest game ever made

Diablo 3 deserves no more then a 8 from me, big letdown of a game.

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120 hours into it, I agree that its great, but not the greatest ever. It kind of bums me out that they are going to carebear it up and make inferno easier.

juno84

Then buff the melee classes. I am currently in act 4 and having no issues with progression as a DH. Its taken me weeks to get to this point but thats the entire point of inferno, it wasnt mean to be beaten in DAYS (even though it was). When 1.0.3 comes out, people will be trucking through inferno at will and beat it and then say 'ok what now?'. Inferno is supposed to be downright NASTY hard but its completely beatable if you put the time and effort into it. Monks def need a buff but other classes that put the time into beating it with the right gear and the right build have no problem progressing.

Naveed, consider that Torchlight 2 is $20 (or $15 in the 4 pack) and that it has 3 acts and 4 player co-op.

It seems like a decent competitor to Diablo 3 if you ask me. I'm definitely going to pick it up.

The fact that the first act of the game is said to be bigger than the WHOLE of the first Torchlight seems pretty good if you ask me

OB-47

I am not saying TL2 wont be good, but people act like its so amazing and DIII is terrible. If TL2 was DIII guess what people would be saying? It's so colorful and cartoony! There is less content than DII! It is linear as hell!

People just LOVE to crap on the success stories. By all means though, buy TL2 and enjoy it. I don't see me doing that, as if by some weird chance I get sick of DIII and there is no expansion or anything, I would probably go to Grim Dawn first.

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

So what? You do know that this happens in pretty much every game right? Yeah I was a little sad the place in the dungeon with the water pooling over at all sides and tons of mobs climbing up over...this part...

You have to understand that not every part makes the cut. They have plenty of awesome areas and events. As Napk1ns said, the game is not perfect, but it does so much right and is so addicting. Diablo II has its points that it is better with, but overall DIII is the better game, refining many elements and evolving gameplay to the best in iso ARPG's.

NaveedLife

The game is the best iso ARPG I have ever played. Others like Torchlight 2, have less classes, less acts, worse graphics, and to be quite straight forward, are less revolutionary.

How are they nerfing XP and loot farming? THey are making the looting system better and are not changing anything about XP, which is already rather easy to max your char (as intended), if you play enough.

[QUOTE="juno84"][QUOTE="SRTtoZ"]

120 hours into it, I agree that its great, but not the greatest ever. It kind of bums me out that they are going to carebear it up and make inferno easier.

SRTtoZ

Then buff the melee classes. I am currently in act 4 and having no issues with progression as a DH. Its taken me weeks to get to this point but thats the entire point of inferno, it wasnt mean to be beaten in DAYS (even though it was). When 1.0.3 comes out, people will be trucking through inferno at will and beat it and then say 'ok what now?'. Inferno is supposed to be downright NASTY hard but its completely beatable if you put the time and effort into it. Monks def need a buff but other classes that put the time into beating it with the right gear and the right build have no problem progressing.

I think they some changes are needed, but I am a bit worried it might be too easy. Act 2 is WAY harder than act 1 Inferno. I think they might just want to lessen those damn wasp projectiles :P. Those things are killer.

So...are all the polls on system wars outrageous?

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[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"] Didn't make the cut because they are fat and lazy. Just the truth. Game is a cut and paste bore fest. All they cried about was takes to much time... Yet it took them freaken forever to make the game we have now.... Joke. Any dev out there can do it with less time... They didn't show me anything I havent seen in other games of what they released. They didn't even finish the classes... That's how freaken lazy they are. There to busy nerfing XP and loot farming to give a crap about how sad the game is.ReadingRainbow4

The game is the best iso ARPG I have ever played. Others like Torchlight 2, have less classes, less acts, worse graphics, and to be quite straight forward, are less revolutionary.

How are they nerfing XP and loot farming? THey are making the looting system better and are not changing anything about XP, which is already rather easy to max your char (as intended), if you play enough.

I have to play TL2 to know that it has less acts, classes and worse graphics? Or that it looks exactly like Diablo 2.5 as TL2 looked like Diablo 1.5? I am sure it will be great, but this is pretty obvious stuff.

How is the game dumbed down? PLEASE tell me! You honestly sound like you don't know what you are talking about at all.

[QUOTE="juno84"][QUOTE="SRTtoZ"]

120 hours into it, I agree that its great, but not the greatest ever. It kind of bums me out that they are going to carebear it up and make inferno easier.

SRTtoZ

Then buff the melee classes. I am currently in act 4 and having no issues with progression as a DH. Its taken me weeks to get to this point but thats the entire point of inferno, it wasnt mean to be beaten in DAYS (even though it was). When 1.0.3 comes out, people will be trucking through inferno at will and beat it and then say 'ok what now?'. Inferno is supposed to be downright NASTY hard but its completely beatable if you put the time and effort into it. Monks def need a buff but other classes that put the time into beating it with the right gear and the right build have no problem progressing.

I remember how excited people were to hear how hard Inferno is. Now they want it nerfed. Gamers are just too hard to please.

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[QUOTE="juno84"] I wouldn't exactly call it carebearing. If you are a class getting one shot in solo now, you'll still get one shot. I play both DH and monk and co-op is an entirely different experience on each class. On my DH, I still die in one hit, mobs have more HP, but provided I'm playing with another ranged class, the added HP makes no difference. Now playing on my monk, a friend joins my game and now mobs take longer to kill and I can no longer tank any hits. I don't know what options they had other than deleting melee classes.NaveedLife

Then buff the melee classes. I am currently in act 4 and having no issues with progression as a DH. Its taken me weeks to get to this point but thats the entire point of inferno, it wasnt mean to be beaten in DAYS (even though it was). When 1.0.3 comes out, people will be trucking through inferno at will and beat it and then say 'ok what now?'. Inferno is supposed to be downright NASTY hard but its completely beatable if you put the time and effort into it. Monks def need a buff but other classes that put the time into beating it with the right gear and the right build have no problem progressing.

I think they some changes are needed, but I am a bit worried it might be too easy. Act 2 is WAY harder than act 1 Inferno. I think they might just want to lessen those damn wasp projectiles :P. Those things are killer.

Act 2 was harder than Act 3 IMO but thats only because of the mob mechanics. You cannot do anything against a soul ripper who hits you with his tongue from offscreen instantly. You cant do anything with the naga that burrow and appear next to you and 1 shot you. Those things were sooo frustrating but I honestyl rushed through that Act just because I knew I would have a better time in Act 3 lol. I'm just worried that loot is going to get even MORE polluted than it is already.

Hell no.

[QUOTE="OB-47"]

Naveed, consider that Torchlight 2 is $20 (or $15 in the 4 pack) and that it has 3 acts and 4 player co-op.

It seems like a decent competitor to Diablo 3 if you ask me. I'm definitely going to pick it up.

The fact that the first act of the game is said to be bigger than the WHOLE of the first Torchlight seems pretty good if you ask me

NaveedLife

I am not saying TL2 wont be good, but people act like its so amazing and DIII is terrible. If TL2 was DIII guess what people would be saying? It's so colorful and cartoony! There is less content than DII! It is linear as hell!

People just LOVE to crap on the success stories. By all means though, buy TL2 and enjoy it. I don't see me doing that, as if by some weird chance I get sick of DIII and there is no expansion or anything, I would probably go to Grim Dawn first.

Such is the life of the typical SW hipster.

Anyway, I agree. No matter how Diablo 3 turned out, it would have dissapointed some. I think it turned out great. I love the pulpy aesthetic, that takes more from horror than from typical fantasy. I love the look, and the graphics look fine (really they aren't that bad). It's a great game, and I was really close to buying it until I realised I'm real short on cash, so instead I'll be getting TL2. I'm going to miss the awesome visuals of Diablo though :(

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

The game is the best iso ARPG I have ever played. Others like Torchlight 2, have less classes, less acts, worse graphics, and to be quite straight forward, are less revolutionary.

How are they nerfing XP and loot farming? THey are making the looting system better and are not changing anything about XP, which is already rather easy to max your char (as intended), if you play enough.

NaveedLife

I have to play TL2 to know that it has less acts, classes and worse graphics? Or that it looks exactly like Diablo 2.5 as TL2 looked like Diablo 1.5? I am sure it will be great, but this is pretty obvious stuff.

How is the game dumbed down? PLEASE tell me! You honestly sound like you don't know what you are talking about at all.

The game is the best iso ARPG I have ever played. Others like Torchlight 2, have less classes, less acts, worse graphics, and to be quite straight forward, are less revolutionary.

How are they nerfing XP and loot farming? THey are making the looting system better and are not changing anything about XP, which is already rather easy to max your char (as intended), if you play enough.

NaveedLife

also torchlight 2 has better graphics especially when you consider the scale compared to D3 if you want to go that route, I'm dead serious.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

The game is the best iso ARPG I have ever played. Others like Torchlight 2, have less classes, less acts, worse graphics, and to be quite straight forward, are less revolutionary.

How are they nerfing XP and loot farming? THey are making the looting system better and are not changing anything about XP, which is already rather easy to max your char (as intended), if you play enough.

Truth_Hurts_U

You shouldnt even need to farm XP. It is a pretty natural progression and if you just play and actually kill things you will level to 60 about when you finish Hell. I don't see the problem here.

Boss drops are going down to 1 guaranteed (but have a better chance of multiple drops) and champs and elites are going up to 1 guaranteed (with a less chance of multiples). How is this nerfing looting? It makes people do more than boss runs.

also torchlight 2 has better graphics especially when you consider the scale compared to D3 if you want to go that route, I'm dead serious.

ReadingRainbow4

And I am the blind one? Seriously man, get outa here with that nonsense. DIII looks leagues better and I can admit when another game beats DIII in something. Grim Dawn will probably look better (though DIII is just different artistically).

PS - I am rolling a level 60 Barbarian in Inferno (and more chars) and you must not know how to make good builds.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

The game is the best iso ARPG I have ever played. Others like Torchlight 2, have less classes, less acts, worse graphics, and to be quite straight forward, are less revolutionary.

How are they nerfing XP and loot farming? THey are making the looting system better and are not changing anything about XP, which is already rather easy to max your char (as intended), if you play enough.

Truth_Hurts_U

You shouldnt even need to farm XP. It is a pretty natural progression and if you just play and actually kill things you will level to 60 about when you finish Hell. I don't see the problem here.

Boss drops are going down to 1 guaranteed (but have a better chance of multiple drops) and champs and elites are going up to 1 guaranteed (with a less chance of multiples). How is this nerfing looting? It makes people do more than boss runs.

NaveedLife

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

also torchlight 2 has better graphics especially when you consider the scale compared to D3 if you want to go that route, I'm dead serious.

NaveedLife

And I am the blind one? Seriously man, get outa here with that nonsense. DIII looks leagues better and I can admit when another game beats DIII in something. Grim Dawn will probably look better (though DIII is just different artistically).

PS - I am rolling a level 60 Barbarian in Inferno (and more chars) and you must not know how to make good builds.

idk, the ending is a bit dissappointing tbh. felt like it was a rushed act.

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[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

also torchlight 2 has better graphics especially when you consider the scale compared to D3 if you want to go that route, I'm dead serious.

ReadingRainbow4

And I am the blind one? Seriously man, get outa here with that nonsense. DIII looks leagues better and I can admit when another game beats DIII in something. Grim Dawn will probably look better (though DIII is just different artistically).

PS - I am rolling a level 60 Barbarian in Inferno (and more chars) and you must not know how to make good builds.

That's funny, thats how I feel! And with that, I will leave you with this.

idk, the ending is a bit dissappointing tbh. felt like it was a rushed act.

zarshack

idk, the ending is a bit dissappointing tbh. felt like it was a rushed act.

zarshack

I FINALLY got to play this for the first time ever a couple hours ago,

Master_ShakeXXX

lol

what a dumbass

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[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

And I am the blind one? Seriously man, get outa here with that nonsense. DIII looks leagues better and I can admit when another game beats DIII in something. Grim Dawn will probably look better (though DIII is just different artistically).

PS - I am rolling a level 60 Barbarian in Inferno (and more chars) and you must not know how to make good builds.

NaveedLife

That's funny, thats how I feel! And with that, I will leave you with this.

Am I the only person here that thinks both Diablo 3 and Torchlight 2 look great visually and will age well due to their art style?

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[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"] God it's not even worth discussing any of this with you, it's like trying to chat with someones assh0le

sSubZerOo

That's funny, thats how I feel! And with that, I will leave you with this.

Am I the only person here that thinks both Diablo 3 and Torchlight 2 look great visually and will age well due to their art style?

I honestly hate TL's graphics, but they are artistic and up for debate, so sure.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

I FINALLY got to play this for the first time ever a couple hours ago,

MLBknights58

lol

what a dumbass

Exactly no offense to the TC but yeah Diablo 3 seems great at the start, its all ZOMG ANOTHER DIABLO level a Barb to 60 and you see how shallow and rushed out this game is. Not to mention your playing it when they are NOW fixing the server issues..first 2 weeks were the worst thing I have ever experienced.

[QUOTE="juno84"][QUOTE="SRTtoZ"]

120 hours into it, I agree that its great, but not the greatest ever. It kind of bums me out that they are going to carebear it up and make inferno easier.

SRTtoZ

Then buff the melee classes. I am currently in act 4 and having no issues with progression as a DH. Its taken me weeks to get to this point but thats the entire point of inferno, it wasnt mean to be beaten in DAYS (even though it was). When 1.0.3 comes out, people will be trucking through inferno at will and beat it and then say 'ok what now?'. Inferno is supposed to be downright NASTY hard but its completely beatable if you put the time and effort into it. Monks def need a buff but other classes that put the time into beating it with the right gear and the right build have no problem progressing.

Even then you spend alot of time dead. I got maybe 5 chapters into act 3 before saying this just isn't worth it. Act 4 is even worse. I see fallen angels in my sleep now.

and the levels are much bigger than d3's.

Don't use old build screens to try and prove a point.

I could start bringing in d3 screens that make it look laughable, act 3 fort defense for one.

not to mention how linear it was. Just pitiful.

This game does the painterly style much better I feel.

I like diablo 3 it has me madd addicted to it, add me , im Danygo#1978

A couple more for good measure.

looks good to me. Open the screens in a new browser window here they are blown up and screwed up.

If you want graphics it's going to be GrimDawn, but that's a ways off.

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You shouldnt even need to farm XP. It is a pretty natural progression and if you just play and actually kill things you will level to 60 about when you finish Hell. I don't see the problem here.

Boss drops are going down to 1 guaranteed (but have a better chance of multiple drops) and champs and elites are going up to 1 guaranteed (with a less chance of multiples). How is this nerfing looting? It makes people do more than boss runs.

Truth_Hurts_U

You clearly dont understand dungeon crawlers = LOL!

Diablo III is the greatest game ever. Much like how Sniper Elite V2 was the most anticipated game of 2012.

You clearly dont understand dungeon crawlers = LOL!

SRTtoZ

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[QUOTE="juno84"] I wouldn't exactly call it carebearing. If you are a class getting one shot in solo now, you'll still get one shot. I play both DH and monk and co-op is an entirely different experience on each class. On my DH, I still die in one hit, mobs have more HP, but provided I'm playing with another ranged class, the added HP makes no difference. Now playing on my monk, a friend joins my game and now mobs take longer to kill and I can no longer tank any hits. I don't know what options they had other than deleting melee classes.FPSfan1985

Then buff the melee classes. I am currently in act 4 and having no issues with progression as a DH. Its taken me weeks to get to this point but thats the entire point of inferno, it wasnt mean to be beaten in DAYS (even though it was). When 1.0.3 comes out, people will be trucking through inferno at will and beat it and then say 'ok what now?'. Inferno is supposed to be downright NASTY hard but its completely beatable if you put the time and effort into it. Monks def need a buff but other classes that put the time into beating it with the right gear and the right build have no problem progressing.

Even then you spend alot of time dead. I got maybe 5 chapters into act 3 before saying this just isn't worth it. Act 4 is even worse. I see fallen angels in my sleep now.

You're making stuff up. Ive seen Barbs, DH's, Wizards (first to clear inferno btw) and Witch doctors clear inferno. The only class I havent seen beat Diablo in inferno is a monk but ive already said they need a buff. Please stop making stuff up, plus SS got nerfed big time. It went from 3 seconds to 1.5 seconds which makes it much more accurate IMO.

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You clearly dont understand dungeon crawlers = LOL!

Truth_Hurts_U

You dont need to shop for gear, you can if you would like but you can farm any act if you please. Just because you want everything handed to you doesnt make the game bad, it makes you bad. Deal with it 'brah'.

Uh... those Torchlight screens look like garbage. It's like I'm looking at vanilla WoW fashioned into an ARPG. Diablo 3 looks a lot better than that.

Hell, even League looks better than that.

You dont need to shop for gear, you can if you would like but you can farm any act if you please. Just because you want everything handed to you doesnt make the game bad, it makes you bad. Deal with it 'brah'.

SRTtoZ

Uh... those Torchlight screens look like garbage. It's like I'm looking at vanilla WoW fashioned into an ARPG. Diablo 3 looks a lot better than that.princeofshapeir

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You dont need to shop for gear, you can if you would like but you can farm any act if you please. Just because you want everything handed to you doesnt make the game bad, it makes you bad. Deal with it 'brah'.

Truth_Hurts_U

lolwut. haha.

lolwut. haha.

SRTtoZ

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lolwut. haha.

Truth_Hurts_U

Fixed.

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]

[QUOTE="SRTtoZ"]

Then buff the melee classes. I am currently in act 4 and having no issues with progression as a DH. Its taken me weeks to get to this point but thats the entire point of inferno, it wasnt mean to be beaten in DAYS (even though it was). When 1.0.3 comes out, people will be trucking through inferno at will and beat it and then say 'ok what now?'. Inferno is supposed to be downright NASTY hard but its completely beatable if you put the time and effort into it. Monks def need a buff but other classes that put the time into beating it with the right gear and the right build have no problem progressing.

SRTtoZ

Even then you spend alot of time dead. I got maybe 5 chapters into act 3 before saying this just isn't worth it. Act 4 is even worse. I see fallen angels in my sleep now.

You're making stuff up. Ive seen Barbs, DH's, Wizards (first to clear inferno btw) and Witch doctors clear inferno. The only class I havent seen beat Diablo in inferno is a monk but ive already said they need a buff. Please stop making stuff up, plus SS got nerfed big time. It went from 3 seconds to 1.5 seconds which makes it much more accurate IMO.

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[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] As it is right now only DH can progress through inferno, because of crazy dps and smoke screen. Maybe thats you're idea of balance which is fine, but very few will agree with you.

Even then you spend alot of time dead. I got maybe 5 chapters into act 3 before saying this just isn't worth it. Act 4 is even worse. I see fallen angels in my sleep now.

FPSfan1985

You're making stuff up. Ive seen Barbs, DH's, Wizards (first to clear inferno btw) and Witch doctors clear inferno. The only class I havent seen beat Diablo in inferno is a monk but ive already said they need a buff. Please stop making stuff up, plus SS got nerfed big time. It went from 3 seconds to 1.5 seconds which makes it much more accurate IMO.

and the levels are much bigger than d3's.

Don't use old build screens to try and prove a point.

I could start bringing in d3 screens that make it look laughable, act 3 fort defense for one.

not to mention how linear it was. Just pitiful.

This game does the painterly style much better I feel.

ReadingRainbow4

You must be really blind. But hey, I am glad you like it. After all it is different and it comes down to opinion. My opinion is it looks like a FB game and you cannot take a darn thing serious.

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"][QUOTE="SRTtoZ"]

lolwut. haha.

SRTtoZ

Fixed.

[QUOTE="SRTtoZ"]

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"] As it is right now only DH can progress through inferno, because of crazy dps and smoke screen. Maybe thats you're idea of balance which is fine, but very few will agree with you.

Even then you spend alot of time dead. I got maybe 5 chapters into act 3 before saying this just isn't worth it. Act 4 is even worse. I see fallen angels in my sleep now.

FPSfan1985

You're making stuff up. Ive seen Barbs, DH's, Wizards (first to clear inferno btw) and Witch doctors clear inferno. The only class I havent seen beat Diablo in inferno is a monk but ive already said they need a buff. Please stop making stuff up, plus SS got nerfed big time. It went from 3 seconds to 1.5 seconds which makes it much more accurate IMO.

Thats your problem. Inferno isnt supposed to be easily cleared by your 'average gamer'. This is end game content! Its like saying the average gamer should be able to clear Deathwing content within the first few weeks, its not supposed to be that way. You're supposed to farm and grind (or pay your way) to inferno gear over weeks/months. I admit that I dont play a barb or WD but I group up with people all the time in Acts 3/4 in inferno and run across barbs, wizzies and WD's all the time. This game is far from perfect and it needs tweaking no doubt, but saying inferno is impossible for anyone but DH's is a straight up lie.

[QUOTE="FPSfan1985"][QUOTE="SRTtoZ"]

You're making stuff up. Ive seen Barbs, DH's, Wizards (first to clear inferno btw) and Witch doctors clear inferno. The only class I havent seen beat Diablo in inferno is a monk but ive already said they need a buff. Please stop making stuff up, plus SS got nerfed big time. It went from 3 seconds to 1.5 seconds which makes it much more accurate IMO.

SRTtoZ

Thats your problem. Inferno isnt supposed to be easily cleared by your 'average gamer'. This is end game content! Its like saying the average gamer should be able to clear Deathwing content within the first few weeks, its not supposed to be that way. You're supposed to farm and grind (or pay your way) to inferno gear over weeks/months. I admit that I dont play a barb or WD but I group up with people all the time in Acts 3/4 in inferno and run across barbs, wizzies and WD's all the time. This game is far from perfect and it needs tweaking no doubt, but saying inferno is impossible for anyone but DH's is a straight up lie.

Barb and WD are my two favorites :).