DICE Dev: Xbox One Isn’t As Powerful As PS4, DX12 Won’t Help Reduce Difference

So it was generation before that, right? Games proved it ( exclusives at least ) how each system had performance improvement. Gap remained the same.Anyway, you can find many articles also : http://info.digitgem.com/PS3-SDK-developers-improved-by-new-data-surfaces-PS3/

DICE Dev: Xbox One Isn’t As Powerful As PS4, DX12 Won’t Help Reduce Difference

So ..... where´s the "news" ? we knew that like -------> 2 years ago.

Battlefield 4 wasn't under Sony marketing. Well, Hardline was.

Cows have eagle eye vision for PS4 vs XBONE, but PS4 vs. PC their eyes become blinded.

What is this medical phenomena?

LOL

There is always improvements that can be made. "base level" means nothing. The API made for the PS4 is relatively new so it's pretty immature. I can guess there are a lot of optimizations to be made there.

There are always new things that can be added to an API to improve performance. For example, DX11.2 added in tiled resources which improved streaming content. The same kind of new features could be added to any API.

The Xbox One version of DirectX was always custom for the hardware thus it was always "lower level". It has a lot less "issues" than DX11 on the PC ever had and will have even less than DX12 on the PC has. DX12 on the Xbox One is only adding new features as optimizations and whatnot are going to be custom to the Xbox One with its own code. The framework will simply call the hardware specific functions depending on the platform. They do this through the drivers. AMD and Nvidia support the DX API by mapping instructions to the various function calls. The GPU on the Xbox One is going to have a separate custom instruction set based on its hardware so at a lower level of DirectX the function calls differ. This is going to be wrapped around slightly higher level function calls that developers directly call. This is what gives DirectX multiplatform hardware support between various Nvidia and AMD GPUs.

Basically the programmer calls a function which DirectX reads and calls the proper function based on the hardware the software is currently running.

Did you not read the Naughty Dog link?

I posted articles about this already.

I have three people arguing the same stuff. I have already provided links about all of this...

Yeah we've known this for quite some time. Don't need to create a thread every time a developer repeats it.

Your links mean nothing since you don't grasp the fundamental concept of what an API is and what it's used for. Your interpretations are completely wrong. You're trying to argue a moot point.

Well looks like you're going to need a slice of that humble pie. A 30 second search of this forum turned up:

not once did they laugh

Welcome to the digital age where people can look shit up....including you.

LOL! I know EXACTLY what an API is - I used them all the time, and have written them myself for out data access layers at work.

People who don't write code trying to tell someone who writes code for a living what things like APIs are... smh.

And we arguing with who...? With some guy who get conclusion from nowhere that DX12 will narrow the gap between Xbone and PS4.

So I worded that wrong. It's apparent you don't know what a graphic render API is like DirectX and what it actually does in the rendering pipeline.

Also if you write code I would expect you would have a better understanding of how a graphic renderer works and where the API comes into play because this entire argument is completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Welcome to the digital age where Jackass can just pull shit out of their digital asses.

Lmao ! damn right

@flyincloud1116: Apology accepted

Stupid, I already gave you a link with a direct quote. It's not my fault you don't know what you are talking about. Here's another link for you.

Will lems ever catch a break?

"Bu...bu...but teh DX12 and cloudz!!"

I wouldn't expect anything less from Cows. I still remember them saying that the PS2 was more powerful than the Xbox. Good times.

Funny that the person in that link contradicted everything that Phil said about DX12 regarding the X1.

CPU wise is definitely was but overall the Xbox trashed PS2.

Wasn't really disagreeing with you. Just saying that the differences are more obvious this time around with two consoles released at the same time.

For fucks sake, another one...

He said "won't make any huge improvements". He never said "no improvements".

As i said, you read it somewhere. Good, performance will improve on Xbone, also on PS4. Same shit happened in every console generation. But the problem is, Sony isn't that loud like Microsoft about any API updates. Looks like you just get an illusion and you got a conclusion that gap will narrow and only Xbone is improving, but PS4 don't. LOL! :Thumbsup:

For example, on GAF, you won't see that developers give a link like you do, here. They talking from their experience with dev kits and game development on consoles, not from some .net experience and from some Java experience.

One more time - I gave you links to go read yourself? Christ, do you want me to record me reading the articles and send you the MP3?

Who gives a f**k about NeoGAF? Oh, they're real game developers because they say so?

Because they are. Who gives a fu** about your .net experience.

@quadknight: When will ps4 catch a break, 99% of its multipalts are better on PC

Both consoles are using mediocre hardware, X1 is using an limited API based on DX11 that reduces the ability to maximize the hardware's efficiency.

DX12 is mostly a cpu side and memory optimization and a few tid bits for the gpu. The PS4's gpu advantage will always outclass the X1's abilities even with DX12. X1 is gpu limited even with its extra cpu resources then the PS4 the X1's gpu will be the limiting factor in resolution and graphics performance.

Also Dice with BF4 also took the time with the PS4 and used advanced feature like Async shading, this allowed the PS4 to run at 900p with a higher FPS average. But on X1 never seen any of the additions where in the future DX12 will allow.

Both consoles suffered performance in 64MP especially when alot of action was going on and I think that with Battlefront it was part of the decision to limit MP count to 40. To lower the the stress on cpu and gpu on them.

The main thing to expect from DX12 is a more stable framerate from the X1 not really a graphical or resolution boost.

@StrongBlackVine: lol. Ice Team. All former Navy Seals, right?

I disagree to some extent. FPS is a function of the throughput for your GPU. Where the bottle neck happens is app dependent. For example if the resolution is the cause of the frame rate suffering and the solution is to reduce the resolution, this could be a symptom of several things. Is the there a fragment limitation happening? Is that limitation cause by the submission of the command list? or is it caused by something else? I think its just too general of a statement to say that Frame rate will improve but resolution wont. Its not wrong and its a safe assumption. For this to be true we would have to know that every game that had reduced resolution was limited by fragments, and not that it was due to context switching prior to task completion.

What gen was that your imaginary one.? Because last i remember the PS3 was more powerful it just need it more work.

And considering you people saw the difference between 720p and 640p i find incredibly odd that you can't see the difference between 720p and 900p or 1080p and 720p.lol

Yes and i also know that apply to every api and hardware not just the xbox one like you try to magicaly prove.

The gap is here to stay because the PS4 will also improve.

Also i don't think there is anything on this planet that can make the xbox one be twice as fast as it was on launch that is a 100% increase it would melt the unit the harder the GPU work the more it over heat gaing 100%mean effectively double its performance is just not possible.

I still can't believe that people think software can't improve performance. have we not seen performance improving patches to games for years now? It's the same thing. even windows 8 made your PC/laptop run faster when upgraded from 7. and boot faster. Most apple OSX updates run faster. hell the new one(el capitan) is way faster then Yosimte.

Now to appease the cows, it doesn't mean it'll "magically" make it more powerful then a PS4, all it means is that it can make it run better on XBO then it currently does. and same goes for PC games.

Any sane minded person could have given this info. Hardware is hardware, there is no magical unlockable power achieved by installing software. Unless the hardware has been restricted deliberately by a huge amount at release. Only way you can get more power is by adding new hardware.

That's the thing most of the hardcore lems just can't comprehend, and it's so damn annoying.

Your post was about frame rate and resolution...what the hell does your random link about XBL being the only service that charged for online last gen have to do with what the nonsense you said above?

looks like your damage control for the false statement you made above is already spiraling out of control. Try to keep up with your BS shilling for MS fanboys because your post only proves you want to say something, anything to bash sony and fans when you aren't defending your actual points.

"Last gen Sony fans: Raw power isn't everything! Framerate and resolution are not important!"

^ is the post you are supposed to be defending....try again!

The problem is simple DX11.X on xbox one is not DX11 on PC not even close,that DX11.X is a vanilla version with low level access and many peformance features already,in fact DX11.x on XBO already since launch had several of DX12 features and most of what DX12 offer is already on xbox one,because most of DX12 bring to PC is console like optimization,that exist on consoles already.

So PC getting DX12 bring many changes the xbox one getting DX12 bring few changes.

@tormentos: Tormentos, I am not interesting in your worthless opinion. You are the most rabid cow in SW. Please go self own yourself in another thread, fanboy.

@ReadingRainbow4: Does the PS4 use DirectX?

@kingtito: That was the case for Xbox users FOREVER! Untill Sony actually gave away games MS was forced to do the same. So thank Sony MS gave you something besides just paying to play.

In an way it does lol especially with Multiplats following DX11's deffered multithreading.

@04dcarraher: I don't think it does...

DX11.X is a superset of DX11.2, and it is still using DX11's limited deferred multithreading. While yes its overhead is quite low compared to vanilla Dx11, it has a few of the features from DX12 not several or many, X1 is missing some of the major additions being released with DX12

Im talking about almost all multiplat devs copying and pasting Direct x usage to PS4's API, Most devs are not going into GNM and fully customizing every aspect to max PS4's efficiency, vast majority of games are following single or deferred multithreading. A few devs go beyond and bypass DX's limits by using async shading or using more than one core talking to the gpu.

meanwhile I'm playing a game that looks like my Intel 386 from the early 90s can run it (on, oh I dont know....DirectX 1?) and loving it more than 4K resolution MGSV

And do people really think that newer coding but same hardware cant make a dramatic difference? That's just crazy

I'm surprised people are trying to argue this, seems pretty open and shut to me, Xbone will always be weaker.

"When asked if DirectX 12 could even the odds for Microsoft, Kertz said, “I don’t think so, it’s not going to be able to reduce overhead enough to make up the margin."

I do wonder if DX12 could play right into the PS4's hand if it pushes asynchronous compute into more frequent use.

Sucks to be a Xbox fan.

@hoosier7:

DX12 will benefit the PS4 as well with allowing better hardware usage, removing DX11.X API limits from games

Wait what?