Digital Distribution Is Far Better Than A Disk

[QUOTE="garland51"]

The day that Full DD arrives on gaming consolesis the day that I quit gaming. Period.

Physical media has worked in the past, present, & will continue to work in the future.

Physical media>>>>>>>>Full DD.

Hanass

People said the same thing during the transition from horses to cars, and guess what happened? They got used to it.

LOL. But there are things to think about, should gaming goes full DD.

1.) What happens if the games that you like, & bought (such as Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix & Mega Man 9), becomes obsolete once a company deletes them somewhat, someday? What happens if your favorite console maker goes under? Then all those games that you bought are gone forever. With physical media, etc. (such as discs), they'll always be around.

2.) With buying games on DD, you don't technically own the game, the companies does. But with a physical copy, you do own it legally.

3.) You can't sell games from DD, nor can you take them over to your friend's house. That certain friend has to download that same certain game in order to play with you. With a physical copy, you can play that game with your friend automatically.

4.) You won't have the option to rent DD games. With physical games, you can. What happens when you get tired of playing that certain game from DD? You can't ever sell it/take it back.

5.) It would take an eternity to download certain games. Just imagine how long it will take to download larger games, like MGS 4? Especially when you don't have a great internet connection/speed?

6.) Not everyone has internet, nor has the internet has super-duper speeds as of now. At least with physical media (such as games/movies), people can buy them. They're always around.

7.) What would happen if your hard drive goes corrupt? At least you'll be able to fix scratched discs.

8.) Now it is true that someone could break into your home and steal all your video games, however stealing someones password and login information would be much easier than actually finding out where a person lives, going there, and breaking in their home to steal their video games. If someone steals your account that has all of your downloaded games on it....too bad, you would have to repurchase all of those games over again.

There's probably more, but I'll stop here. Would you like any of that to happen? Think about it. But those are the reasons why I'd prefer physical media over DD. DD is only good if there's a certain game that you like (as a side option for gaming, with physical media being the mandatory feature for gaming), & would want to take a shot at. But DD should never take over physical media, & that's the bottom line.

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]

The day that Full DD arrives on gaming consolesis the day that I quit gaming. Period.

Physical media has worked in the past, present, & will continue to work in the future.

Physical media>>>>>>>>Full DD.

garland51

People said the same thing during the transition from horses to cars, and guess what happened? They got used to it.

LOL. But there are things to think about, should gaming goes full DD.

1.) What happens if the games that you like, & bought (such as Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix & Mega Man 9), becomes obsolete once a company deletes them somewhat, someday? What happens if your favorite console maker goes under? Then all those games that you bought are gone forever. With physical media, etc. (such as discs), they'll always be around.

2.) With buying games on DD, you don't technically own the game, the companies does. But with a physical copy, you do own it legally.

3.) You can't sell games from DD, nor can you take them over to your friend's house. That certain friend has to download that same certain game in order to play with you. With a physical copy, you can play that game with your friend automatically.

4.) You won't have the option to rent DD games. With physical games, you can. What happens when you get tired of playing that certain game from DD? You can't ever sell it/take it back.

5.) It would take an eternity to download certain games. Just imagine how long it will take to download larger games, like MGS 4? Especially when you don't have a great internet connection/speed?

6.) Not everyone has internet, nor has the internet has super-duper speeds as of now. At least with physical media (such as games/movies), people can buy them. They're always around.

7.) What would happen if your hard drive goes corrupt? At least you'll be able to fix scratched discs.

8.) Now it is true that someone could break into your home and steal all your video games, however stealing someones password and login information would be much easier than actually finding out where a person lives, going there, and breaking in their home to steal their video games. If someone steals your account that has all of your downloaded games on it....too bad, you would have to repurchase all of those games over again.

There's probably more, but I'll stop here. Would you like any of that to happen? Think about it. But those are the reasons why I'd prefer physical media over DD. DD is only good if there's a certain game that you like (as a side option for gaming, with physical media being the mandatory feature for gaming), & would want to take a shot at. But DD should never take over physical media, & that's the bottom line.

I don't really feel like having another endless debate; I'm just saying that technology will advance, no matter what people say. DD is one step forward from DVD's. Also, all of your issues have already been discussed and addressed countless times on this topic. Just go read some other posts.

LOL. But there are things to think about, should gaming goes full DD.

1.) What happens if the games that you like, & bought (such as Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix & Mega Man 9), becomes obsolete once a company deletes them somewhat, someday? What happens if your favorite console maker goes under? Then all those games that you bought are gone forever. With physical media, etc. (such as discs), they'll always be around.

2.) With buying games on DD, you don't technically own the game, the companies does. But with a physical copy, you do own it legally.

3.) You can't sell games from DD, nor can you take them over to your friend's house. That certain friend has to download that same certain game in order to play with you. With a physical copy, you can play that game with your friend automatically.

4.) You won't have the option to rent DD games. With physical games, you can. What happens when you get tired of playing that certain game from DD? You can't ever sell it/take it back.

5.) It would take an eternity to download certain games. Just imagine how long it will take to download larger games, like MGS 4? Especially when you don't have a great internet connection/speed?

6.) Not everyone has internet, nor has the internet has super-duper speeds as of now. At least with physical media (such as games/movies), people can buy them. They're always around.

7.) What would happen if your hard drive goes corrupt? At least you'll be able to fix scratched discs.

8.) Now it is true that someone could break into your home and steal all your video games, however stealing someones password and login information would be much easier than actually finding out where a person lives, going there, and breaking in their home to steal their video games. If someone steals your account that has all of your downloaded games on it....too bad, you would have to repurchase all of those games over again.

There's probably more, but I'll stop here. Would you like any of that to happen? Think about it. But those are the reasons why I'd prefer physical media over DD. DD is only good if there's a certain game that you like (as a side option for gaming, with physical media being the mandatory feature for gaming), & would want to take a shot at. But DD should never take over physical media, & that's the bottom line.

garland51

1) The company may delete them from the inventory, but what about the copy you already downloaded? Last I checked, once downloaded, they can be played as many times as you desire, so long as you don't delete it. Anyway, storage isn't the big problem with DD these days (storage is cheap)--it's bandwidth. And that'll take a little more time to fix.

2-4) EULAs may say that, but I always go with the "Quacks Like a Duck" argument, the kind of argument that dictated the Vernor v. Autodesk case last year. Meaning, if it looks like a sale and transacts like a sale, it's a sale. This should put even a DD sale within the auspices of the First Sale Doctrine. After all, even on Steam, the magic button that finishes the transaction doesn't say "lease", "license", or "rent"--it says "Buy". And BTW, iTunes features rentals.

5) Steam gets around that with advanced downloads, that set up some time before the game is officially released and then unlocks itself at midnight of release day. This isn't just zero-day, it's zero-minute gratification.

6) True, but then again, not everyone has easy access to a videogame store. If they have no brick-and-mortars but an Internet connection handy (even the sticks can use Satellite Internet, just not for gaming), DD becomes a much more viable option.

7) Backups and redownloads. What happens if your disk is snapped in two or simply scratched beyond repair? Think the store will take it back? Check out their software return policies--odds are against you.

8) Someone without internet access would find the physical break-in easier. Not to mention it's easier to fence off the ill-gotten loot, which is not limited to videogames.

While I agree that digital distribution is convenient, it really sucks to have Xbox Live and pay for a Arcade title, or some downloadable content, only to be denied access if you lose your internet.

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

[QUOTE="garland51"]

The day that Full DD arrives on gaming consolesis the day that I quit gaming. Period.

Physical media has worked in the past, present, & will continue to work in the future.

Physical media>>>>>>>>Full DD.

garland51

People said the same thing during the transition from horses to cars, and guess what happened? They got used to it.

LOL. But there are things to think about, should gaming goes full DD.

1.) What happens if the games that you like, & bought (such as Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix & Mega Man 9), becomes obsolete once a company deletes them somewhat, someday? What happens if your favorite console maker goes under? Then all those games that you bought are gone forever. With physical media, etc. (such as discs), they'll always be around.

2.) With buying games on DD, you don't technically own the game, the companies does. But with a physical copy, you do own it legally.

3.) You can't sell games from DD, nor can you take them over to your friend's house. That certain friend has to download that same certain game in order to play with you. With a physical copy, you can play that game with your friend automatically.

4.) You won't have the option to rent DD games. With physical games, you can. What happens when you get tired of playing that certain game from DD? You can't ever sell it/take it back.

5.) It would take an eternity to download certain games. Just imagine how long it will take to download larger games, like MGS 4? Especially when you don't have a great internet connection/speed?

6.) Not everyone has internet, nor has the internet has super-duper speeds as of now. At least with physical media (such as games/movies), people can buy them. They're always around.

7.) What would happen if your hard drive goes corrupt? At least you'll be able to fix scratched discs.

8.) Now it is true that someone could break into your home and steal all your video games, however stealing someones password and login information would be much easier than actually finding out where a person lives, going there, and breaking in their home to steal their video games. If someone steals your account that has all of your downloaded games on it....too bad, you would have to repurchase all of those games over again.

There's probably more, but I'll stop here. Would you like any of that to happen? Think about it. But those are the reasons why I'd prefer physical media over DD. DD is only good if there's a certain game that you like (as a side option for gaming, with physical media being the mandatory feature for gaming), & would want to take a shot at. But DD should never take over physical media, & that's the bottom line.

Holy crap the amount of crap in this post that is flat out WRONG is amazing.

1. Umm, you downloaded the game and you can make a physical copy (steam)

2. This argument is completely irrelevant. If your argument is wanting to sell the game, they you're contributing to the gaming cancer known as used games.

3. Again, used games are a cancer to the gaming industry. Also, using your steam account, you can dl a game on as many computers as you want, so no, your friend wouldn't have to purchase the game if you went to his house, you'd simply log into your account and dl it.

4. Yet again, used games = horrible for the industry

5. We're not talking or acting like DD is going to take over tomorrow. You do realize that there will come a day when virtually everybody has as internet connection that is tons faster than what we have today. Dling 50 gigs will be nothing one day. For those that don't have those kind of connections, well, this is a hobby, it's not necessarily cheap, and some people can't afford it...which is no different that today.

6. Same as five.

7. Download games as many times as you want. You clearly know nothing about steam.

8. There's proof of you buying the games. You wouldn't lose everything. Did you actually think this was a reasonable argument?

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="godzillavskong"]

While I agree that digital distribution is convenient, it really sucks to have Xbox Live and pay for a Arcade title, or some downloadable content, only to be denied access if you lose your internet.

godzillavskong

Stop using Xbox Live as your basis for DD. If DD took over it would be NOTHING like Xbox Live. It would be like Steam or very similar which means you'd have access to your games even w/o internet connection.

...and NOBODY come in here and say you have to be connected to the internet to play steam games.....it's called offline mode.

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

People said the same thing during the transition from horses to cars, and guess what happened? They got used to it.

mudman91878

LOL. But there are things to think about, should gaming goes full DD.

1.) What happens if the games that you like, & bought (such as Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix & Mega Man 9), becomes obsolete once a company deletes them somewhat, someday? What happens if your favorite console maker goes under? Then all those games that you bought are gone forever. With physical media, etc. (such as discs), they'll always be around.

2.) With buying games on DD, you don't technically own the game, the companies does. But with a physical copy, you do own it legally.

3.) You can't sell games from DD, nor can you take them over to your friend's house. That certain friend has to download that same certain game in order to play with you. With a physical copy, you can play that game with your friend automatically.

4.) You won't have the option to rent DD games. With physical games, you can. What happens when you get tired of playing that certain game from DD? You can't ever sell it/take it back.

5.) It would take an eternity to download certain games. Just imagine how long it will take to download larger games, like MGS 4? Especially when you don't have a great internet connection/speed?

6.) Not everyone has internet, nor has the internet has super-duper speeds as of now. At least with physical media (such as games/movies), people can buy them. They're always around.

7.) What would happen if your hard drive goes corrupt? At least you'll be able to fix scratched discs.

8.) Now it is true that someone could break into your home and steal all your video games, however stealing someones password and login information would be much easier than actually finding out where a person lives, going there, and breaking in their home to steal their video games. If someone steals your account that has all of your downloaded games on it....too bad, you would have to repurchase all of those games over again.

There's probably more, but I'll stop here. Would you like any of that to happen? Think about it. But those are the reasons why I'd prefer physical media over DD. DD is only good if there's a certain game that you like (as a side option for gaming, with physical media being the mandatory feature for gaming), & would want to take a shot at. But DD should never take over physical media, & that's the bottom line.

2. This argument is completely irrelevant. If your argument is wanting to sell the game, they you're contributing to the gaming cancer known as used games.

3. Again, used games are a cancer to the gaming industry. Also, using your steam account, you can dl a game on as many computers as you want, so no, your friend wouldn't have to purchase the game if you went to his house, you'd simply log into your account and dl it.

4. Yet again, used games = horrible for the industry

The industry is still far too limited to take Full DD as standard. Possably 2 generations of consoles from now. But this gen and next gen are really nothing to worry about. imo.

I disagree fundamentally with your arguement

TC lessen do you really not get it? Sure download all my video games on to a (rather expensive) 400 gig hard drive (yes it needs to be that fing big) but then i would have the game disks, i wouldn't be able to lend them to other people (not easily anyway) and Most importanly i wouldn't be able to hold the game case in my hands and know it is mine and know i can always keep the game even if my game system breaks.

Its like this for every thing really, i could pirate anime of the internet, but i buy it because i want the case on my bookshelf, with the DISKS in it.

crazy man for people who like their games, want to keep them, want to collect them, or want to pawn them off at the end of the day will always perfer to have a solid copy.

And Gamestop isn't that bad

No, its called free market. It's not about the industry, its about the games and the gamers. If you really care that much for "industry" why don't you just send them 10% of your gross income each month?

skektek

BTW i'm not being sarcastic.

I disagree fundamentally with your arguement

TC lessen do you really not get it? Sure download all my video games on to a (rather expensive) 400 gig hard drive (yes it needs to be that fing big) but then i would have the game disks, i wouldn't be able to lend them to other people (not easily anyway) and Most importanly i wouldn't be able to hold the game case in my hands and know it is mine and know i can always keep the game even if my game system breaks.

Its like this for every thing really, i could pirate anime of the internet, but i buy it because i want the case on my bookshelf, with the DISKS in it.

crazy man for people who like their games, want to keep them, want to collect them, or want to pawn them off at the end of the day will always perfer to have a solid copy.

And Gamestop isn't that bad

LastRedMage

I disagree fundamentally with your arguement

TC lessen do you really not get it? Sure download all my video games on to a (rather expensive) 400 gig hard drive (yes it needs to be that fing big) but then i would have the game disks, i wouldn't be able to lend them to other people (not easily anyway) and Most importanly i wouldn't be able to hold the game case in my hands and know it is mine and know i can always keep the game even if my game system breaks.

Its like this for every thing really, i could pirate anime of the internet, but i buy it because i want the case on my bookshelf, with the DISKS in it.

crazy man for people who like their games, want to keep them, want to collect them, or want to pawn them off at the end of the day will always perfer to have a solid copy.

And Gamestop isn't that bad

LastRedMage

The price for a harddisk is completely not the point. The point is that there's a certain appeal to collecting physical disks to some, which can never be taken away by any of the advantages of DD. That's why there should always be the choice to buy through DD or physical copies.

The price for a harddisk is completely not the point. The point is that there's a certain appeal to collecting physical disks to some, which can never be taken away by any of the advantages of DD. That's why there should always be the choice to buy through DD or physical copies.

NielsNL

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

The price for a harddisk is completely not the point. The point is that there's a certain appeal to collecting physical disks to some, which can never be taken away by any of the advantages of DD. That's why there should always be the choice to buy through DD or physical copies.

HuusAsking

Which is why ideally DD and physical copies should coexist and there isn't one far better than the other, like the title of the thread suggests,but it's purely amatter of personal preference.

Edit: and the price of gas? Seriously? That's streching for arguments man. Yuo could always walk, take a bike, mass transit etc.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]

The price for a harddisk is completely not the point. The point is that there's a certain appeal to collecting physical disks to some, which can never be taken away by any of the advantages of DD. That's why there should always be the choice to buy through DD or physical copies.

NielsNL

Which is why ideally DD and physical copies should coexist and there isn't one far better than the other, like the title of the thread suggests,but it's purely amatter of personal preference.

Edit: and the price of gas? Seriously? That's streching for arguments man. Yuo could always walk, take a bike, mass transit etc.

No thanks, Blu-ray Disc FTW! 8) Also hard drives do make noise along with CD drives. X360PS3AMD05

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Similarly, there's an appeal to getting rid of clutter, especially for someone without a lot of space. There's also the rising cost of gas (to drive to brick-and-mortar stores) to consider.HuusAsking

Which is why ideally DD and physical copies should coexist and there isn't one far better than the other, like the title of the thread suggests,but it's purely amatter of personal preference.

Edit: and the price of gas? Seriously? That's streching for arguments man. Yuo could always walk, take a bike, mass transit etc.

You could order from the internet and have it delivered. Stop dodging the actual point of the matter.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]

Which is why ideally DD and physical copies should coexist and there isn't one far better than the other, like the title of the thread suggests,but it's purely amatter of personal preference.

Edit: and the price of gas? Seriously? That's streching for arguments man. Yuo could always walk, take a bike, mass transit etc.

NielsNL

You could order from the internet and have it delivered. Stop dodging the actual point of the matter.

Co-Existence is what will happen. Though it will be much more lopsided towards DD then short sighted people want to admit. Hell some kids today growing up with DD may not even know or care what owing a game case is like. Their kids? "Daddy what the hell is a DVD?".

I'm sure there were a ton of music "collectors" bent out of shape with fears of DD music taking over as well. Wanting to have the cases, the booklets etc. That's why you can still buy CD's. Even though the majority of music sales are now digital.

Movies are next. Then games.

You're correct in that some/many people like to have the plastic case. I'd wager the majority couldn't care less though and will go with the cheapest, most convenient route. Which someday without a doubt will be DD for a very large portion of the gaming demographic. Even the mountain people eventually got electricity.

this thread is hilarious

No thanks, Blu-ray Disc FTW! 8) Also hard drives do make noise along with CD drives. X360PS3AMD05

Blu-Ray is a useless gimmick by Sony. It's ridiculously slow.

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]No thanks, Blu-ray Disc FTW! 8) Also hard drives do make noise along with CD drives. Hanass

Blu-Ray is a useless gimmick by Sony. It's ridiculously slow.

[QUOTE="falconclan"]

[QUOTE="Planeforger"]

But disks are way slower than hard drives, and they will be 5 times slower once SSD's become mainstream. This is the main reason why DD will replace disks. People can stick to their irrational beliefs of having a "hard copy", but technology will advance, and much faster speeds > the "box art".

imprezawrx500

yeah, good luck downloading a new game when it releases. im sure you and the other several hundred thousand people will have sometime on your hands will you wait...

like i said. i rent alot of games.... i will never choose DD over a physical copy. also, i have friends and like to let them borrow games when im done with them... its a nice thing to do

except that all the big games on steam are also available at a retailer.... unlike DD only games

DD is fine as long as we also have retail versions.

DD only is a problem... its used by companies to restrict what you can do with a product you own. no thanks

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]No thanks, Blu-ray Disc FTW! 8) Also hard drives do make noise along with CD drives. Hanass

Blu-Ray is a useless gimmick by Sony. It's ridiculously slow.

DD is fine as long as we also have retail versions.

DD only is a problem... its used by companies to restrict what you can do with a product you own. no thanks

ogvampire

At least make it a standard for handhelds.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

DD is fine as long as we also have retail versions.

DD only is a problem... its used by companies to restrict what you can do with a product you own. no thanks

HuusAsking

sounds like alot of work... i will just stick to buying retail

No thanks, Blu-ray Disc FTW! 8) Also hard drives do make noise along with CD drives. X360PS3AMD05

Oh yeah, my SSD makes alot of noise...

Even a HDD doesn't make that much noise, do you play with no sound or do you sitck your ear on your HDD?

[QUOTE="Hanass"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]No thanks, Blu-ray Disc FTW! 8) Also hard drives do make noise along with CD drives. Bread_or_Decide

Blu-Ray is a useless gimmick by Sony. It's ridiculously slow.

So... why do they sell PS3 with HDD?

Cartradiges are defintely the best. Discs scratch to easily and digital distribution doesnt let you bring your games anywhere(or lend them). I've never had problems with cartridges, accept after 10 years my OoT erased my 99% complete file :(, which is alot better than my Halo 3 not playing after 2 years.

Cartradiges are defintely the best. Discs scratch to easily and digital distribution doesnt let you bring your games anywhere(or lend them). I've never had problems with cartridges, accept after 10 years my OoT erased my 99% complete file :(, which is alot better than my Halo 3 not playing after 2 years.

blingchu55

Good thing with steam I can make a bakup and bring it anywhere.

meh...i'm old skool. i like to have a physical copy. that's just me, though.

[QUOTE="blingchu55"]

Cartradiges are defintely the best. Discs scratch to easily and digital distribution doesnt let you bring your games anywhere(or lend them). I've never had problems with cartridges, accept after 10 years my OoT erased my 99% complete file :(, which is alot better than my Halo 3 not playing after 2 years.

Bebi_vegeta

Good thing with steam I can make a bakup and bring it anywhere.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]If you live in a rural location, it would be too far to walk or bike, there would likely be no mass transit, and a taxi (if there is one) would be expensive.Metalscarz

You could order from the internet and have it delivered. Stop dodging the actual point of the matter.

Co-Existence is what will happen. Though it will be much more lopsided towards DD then short sighted people want to admit. Hell some kids today growing up with DD may not even know or care what owing a game case is like. Their kids? "Daddy what the hell is a DVD?".

I'm sure there were a ton of music "collectors" bent out of shape with fears of DD music taking over as well. Wanting to have the cases, the booklets etc. That's why you can still buy CD's. Even though the majority of music sales are now digital.

Movies are next. Then games.

You're correct in that some/many people like to have the plastic case. I'd wager the majority couldn't care less though and will go with the cheapest, most convenient route. Which someday without a doubt will be DD for a very large portion of the gaming demographic. Even the mountain people eventually got electricity.

In the very long run you're probably right. But we're talking decades here. By the way you should stop making up facts. Physical music sales are going down and digital is going up, but at the rates that are known currently it'll take about 5 years for them to be equal. Physical music sales are still much higher than digital sales (a simple google search will tell the same). You're also not taking into account other advantages music has when being sold through DD, like small file size and the option to cherrypick specific songs if you're not interested ina whole album of some artist. Games (and movies) are much larger file sizes which forms both a psychological barrier for some in a way and a technical barrier. On a global scale fast connection are far from the norm yet as this graph shows.

[QUOTE="Metalscarz"]

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

You could order from the internet and have it delivered. Stop dodging the actual point of the matter.

Co-Existence is what will happen. Though it will be much more lopsided towards DD then short sighted people want to admit. Hell some kids today growing up with DD may not even know or care what owing a game case is like. Their kids? "Daddy what the hell is a DVD?".

I'm sure there were a ton of music "collectors" bent out of shape with fears of DD music taking over as well. Wanting to have the cases, the booklets etc. That's why you can still buy CD's. Even though the majority of music sales are now digital.

Movies are next. Then games.

You're correct in that some/many people like to have the plastic case. I'd wager the majority couldn't care less though and will go with the cheapest, most convenient route. Which someday without a doubt will be DD for a very large portion of the gaming demographic. Even the mountain people eventually got electricity.

In the very long run you're probably right. But we're talking decades here. By the way you should stop making up facts. Physical music sales are going down and digital is going up, but at the rates that are known currently it'll take about 5 years for them to be equal. Physical music sales are still much higher than digital sales (a simple google search will tell the same). You're also not taking into account other advantages music has when being sold through DD, like small file size and the option to cherrypick specific songs if you're not interested ina whole album of some artist. Games (and movies) are much larger file sizes which forms both a psychological barrier for some in a way and a technical barrier. On a global scale fast connection are far from the norm yet as this graph shows.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

[QUOTE="Metalscarz"]

Co-Existence is what will happen. Though it will be much more lopsided towards DD then short sighted people want to admit. Hell some kids today growing up with DD may not even know or care what owing a game case is like. Their kids? "Daddy what the hell is a DVD?".

I'm sure there were a ton of music "collectors" bent out of shape with fears of DD music taking over as well. Wanting to have the cases, the booklets etc. That's why you can still buy CD's. Even though the majority of music sales are now digital.

Movies are next. Then games.

You're correct in that some/many people like to have the plastic case. I'd wager the majority couldn't care less though and will go with the cheapest, most convenient route. Which someday without a doubt will be DD for a very large portion of the gaming demographic. Even the mountain people eventually got electricity.

Javy03

In the very long run you're probably right. But we're talking decades here. By the way you should stop making up facts. Physical music sales are going down and digital is going up, but at the rates that are known currently it'll take about 5 years for them to be equal. Physical music sales are still much higher than digital sales (a simple google search will tell the same). You're also not taking into account other advantages music has when being sold through DD, like small file size and the option to cherrypick specific songs if you're not interested ina whole album of some artist. Games (and movies) are much larger file sizes which forms both a psychological barrier for some in a way and a technical barrier. On a global scale fast connection are far from the norm yet as this graph shows.

[QUOTE="Javy03"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]

In the very long run you're probably right. But we're talking decades here. By the way you should stop making up facts. Physical music sales are going down and digital is going up, but at the rates that are known currently it'll take about 5 years for them to be equal. Physical music sales are still much higher than digital sales (a simple google search will tell the same). You're also not taking into account other advantages music has when being sold through DD, like small file size and the option to cherrypick specific songs if you're not interested ina whole album of some artist. Games (and movies) are much larger file sizes which forms both a psychological barrier for some in a way and a technical barrier. On a global scale fast connection are far from the norm yet as this graph shows.

HuusAsking

This is correct.

[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="blingchu55"]

Cartradiges are defintely the best. Discs scratch to easily and digital distribution doesnt let you bring your games anywhere(or lend them). I've never had problems with cartridges, accept after 10 years my OoT erased my 99% complete file :(, which is alot better than my Halo 3 not playing after 2 years.

blingchu55

Good thing with steam I can make a bakup and bring it anywhere.

Good thing it doesn't require a credit card to buy a steam game... dude get with the program.

At least make it a standard for handhelds.

Hexagon_777

Heck No!! That may be good enough for the PSP, but it reduce handheld games to glorified flash games on systems people actually play.

[QUOTE="NielsNL"]

The price for a harddisk is completely not the point. The point is that there's a certain appeal to collecting physical disks to some, which can never be taken away by any of the advantages of DD. That's why there should always be the choice to buy through DD or physical copies.

HuusAsking

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="NielsNL"]

The price for a harddisk is completely not the point. The point is that there's a certain appeal to collecting physical disks to some, which can never be taken away by any of the advantages of DD. That's why there should always be the choice to buy through DD or physical copies.

imprezawrx500

No Retail is not bad for developers because games are openly advertised while they are in stores just by being there. I like having the case because it protects the disk and makes it easier to put it up safely with the instruction booklet and allows you to display it. You may hate cases but I refuse to buy games without them.

No BluRay is better :P

oh great... Now instead of me taking a disk over to a friends house I have to take a whole console...

No BluRay is better :P

Generalmojo

And 10 times slower

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

At least make it a standard for handhelds.Burning-Sludge

Heck No!! That may be good enough for the PSP, but it reduce handheld games to glorified flash games on systems people actually play.

I want Nintendo and Sony to pursue full digital distribution for their handheld consoles. They are meant to be portable but carrying three, four, five, or however many game cases around with you simply isn't. It defeats the whole purpose of portable gaming. The cases get damaged in the process as well. Digital distribution and handheld console gaming were meant to be.