Digital Distribution Is Far Better Than A Disk

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#501 imprezawrx500
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No thanks, Blu-ray Disc FTW! 8) Also hard drives do make noise along with CD drives. X360PS3AMD05
yet most ps3 tend to run more from the hdd than br, so point being? modern hdds are close to silent unless you put your ear to the case.
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#502 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

At least make it a standard for handhelds.Hexagon_777

Heck No!! That may be good enough for the PSP, but it reduce handheld games to glorified flash games on systems people actually play.

I want Nintendo and Sony to pursue full digital distribution for their handheld consoles. They are meant to be portable but carrying three, four, five, or however many game cases around with you simply isn't. It defeats the whole purpose of portable gaming. The cases get damaged in the process as well. Digital distribution and handheld console gaming were meant to be.

Thing is, flash storage still carries a significant premium for any size that matters. And putting in an iPod-style hard drive will give the battery life a pretty big hit.
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#503 Burning-Sludge
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[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

At least make it a standard for handhelds.Hexagon_777

Heck No!! That may be good enough for the PSP, but it reduce handheld games to glorified flash games on systems people actually play.

I want Nintendo and Sony to pursue full digital distribution for their handheld consoles. They are meant to be portable but carrying three, four, five, or however many game cases around with you simply isn't. It defeats the whole purpose of portable gaming. The cases get damaged in the process as well. Digital distribution and handheld console gaming were meant to be.

Are we also ment to loose our games if the Handheld console breaks? Because that is what would happen. Could a console that size even hold a lot of gams or would be a game limit? Could something the size of a DS hold all of my 76 DS games or would they be trappend in a faraway server?

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#504 Javy03
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[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]No thanks, Blu-ray Disc FTW! 8) Also hard drives do make noise along with CD drives. imprezawrx500
yet most ps3 tend to run more from the hdd than br, so point being? modern hdds are close to silent unless you put your ear to the case.

I highly doubt that. Most games have an install of 500-900MB. A very few have 1-5GB install and even then when a game on Blu ray is 20-30GB large, I highly doubt it's pulling MORE from the HDD then the disk drive. Not to mention the fact that many games don't even need installs like Uncharted. It pulls the vast majority of info from the disk with the HDD supplementing certain functions, making it a little faster.
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#505 Hexagon_777
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[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"]

[QUOTE="Burning-Sludge"]

Heck No!! That may be good enough for the PSP, but it reduce handheld games to glorified flash games on systems people actually play.Burning-Sludge

I want Nintendo and Sony to pursue full digital distribution for their handheld consoles. They are meant to be portable but carrying three, four, five, or however many game cases around with you simply isn't. It defeats the whole purpose of portable gaming. The cases get damaged in the process as well. Digital distribution and handheld console gaming were meant to be.

Are we also ment to lose our games if the handheld console breaks? Because that is what would happen. Could a console that size even hold a lot of games or would be a game limit? Could something the size of a DS hold all of my 76 DS games or would they be trappend in a faraway server?

Any service worth its money will have a solution to the first problem you mentioned. That's an absolute given. Regarding the latter point, perhaps you can install and uninstall games as you please for HDD space purposes. Having ten games installed on your handheld console is still better than carrying five game cases around with you.

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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Similarly, there's an appeal to getting rid of clutter, especially for someone without a lot of space. There's also the rising cost of gas (to drive to brick-and-mortar stores) to consider.Burning-Sludge

exactly, retail games are just asking to be sold the minute I get them, they take all this dam space and I look at them thinking why do I need this stupid disk. Retail games are great for the used game lovers, but bad for the devs. I'd hate to thing how much space i would need to store all the games I've bought on steam if they were retail. 30-40 game cases is not in the tiny bid appealing. plus I would have just kept the game files but sold the disks since I hate game cases so much.

No Retail is not bad for developers because games are openly advertised while they are in stores just by being there. I like having the case because it protects the disk and makes it easier to put it up safely with the instruction booklet and allows you to display it. You may hate cases but I refuse to buy games without them.

My games feels pretty safe on a HDD...

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#507 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]No thanks, Blu-ray Disc FTW! 8) Also hard drives do make noise along with CD drives. Javy03
yet most ps3 tend to run more from the hdd than br, so point being? modern hdds are close to silent unless you put your ear to the case.

I highly doubt that. Most games have an install of 500-900MB. A very few have 1-5GB install and even then when a game on Blu ray is 20-30GB large, I highly doubt it's pulling MORE from the HDD then the disk drive. Not to mention the fact that many games don't even need installs like Uncharted. It pulls the vast majority of info from the disk with the HDD supplementing certain functions, making it a little faster.

you really have no idea what your are talking about. take killzone 2 for example, it has a 50mb install but the game caches to the hdd therefore the hdd constantly spins and the game pretty much runs completely off it. His point was that a hdd makes more noise which is untrue, but most games use the hdd so it make no difference if it has a 2mb or 20000mb install the hdd is still being used by 90% of ps3 games.
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#508 santoron
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-Can't be sold later down the road if it sucks, which is often the case.

-DRM is lame. We know when things go 100% digital, that the companies are gonna slap the cuffs on us.

-Steam has got it right, but I still buy the boxed product if it's available. Steam didn't get it right in the beginning.

-Digital Distribution shouldn't be as costly as a retail product, or even more in some cases. That's ridiculous. Steam has had some overpriced releases, but luckily, they balance it out with sales.

I'll take retail. And retail keeps more jobs, too.

BioShockOwnz

5th reply of this behemoth thread had it almost exactly right (I'd also add the rapid rise in internet caps and the increasing size of games, but it would be the most minor point). I bet the next 500 posts are all gonna agree as well.... amirite???

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Digital distribution is fine ... until you go to borrow a game from a mate and check it out, or want to lend one out, and realise you can't. And you can't trade them in. Very convenient to just have all the games on one hard disk though. No more changing disks. I'll take a mix of both personally.

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#510 HuusAsking
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Digital distribution is fine ... until you go to borrow a game from a mate and check it out, or want to lend one out, and realise you can't. And you can't trade them in. Very convenient to just have all the games on one hard disk though. No more changing disks. I'll take a mix of both personally.

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Like I said, all it'll take is a slight clarification of the law to fix that. After all, Steam storefront doesn't say "Rent" when you click the confirm button.
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#511 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="RocKtheCasbaH"]

Digital distribution is fine ... until you go to borrow a game from a mate and check it out, or want to lend one out, and realise you can't. And you can't trade them in. Very convenient to just have all the games on one hard disk though. No more changing disks. I'll take a mix of both personally.

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Like I said, all it'll take is a slight clarification of the law to fix that. After all, Steam storefront doesn't say "Rent" when you click the confirm button.

steam really should introducing renting, it could make them a tone more money. Like they let you preload game for free weekends, they should let you preload a game then rent it for a day or so.
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[QUOTE="godzillavskong"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]They're available offline once they're downloaded, last I checked. That's how Arcade compilations can work--they can be played so long as either the download account is signed on (not necessarily to Live) or the compilation disc is inserted.mudman91878

Incorrect. At least with Xbox Live anyways. My internet was off last week and most of my Arcade downloads and DLC was unavailable. Most of my Arcade title went from full games to trial and my DLC was also unavailable. I did however have access to maybe one or two titles that were downoaded, but most weren't.

Stop using Xbox Live as your basis for DD. If DD took over it would be NOTHING like Xbox Live. It would be like Steam or very similar which means you'd have access to your games even w/o internet connection.

...and NOBODY come in here and say you have to be connected to the internet to play steam games.....it's called offline mode.

Well it's like this, I don't play PC games and if digital distribution is the future, I hope Microsoft gets rid of their DRM fixed so I can still play may downloaded content. I'm happy for you though, since you game on your pc and use the far better source of digital distribution. As for me, I'll stick to my simple non-gaming laptop for web surfing and 360 for gaming.
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#513 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="mudman91878"]

[QUOTE="godzillavskong"] Incorrect. At least with Xbox Live anyways. My internet was off last week and most of my Arcade downloads and DLC was unavailable. Most of my Arcade title went from full games to trial and my DLC was also unavailable. I did however have access to maybe one or two titles that were downoaded, but most weren't.godzillavskong

Stop using Xbox Live as your basis for DD. If DD took over it would be NOTHING like Xbox Live. It would be like Steam or very similar which means you'd have access to your games even w/o internet connection.

...and NOBODY come in here and say you have to be connected to the internet to play steam games.....it's called offline mode.

Well it's like this, I don't play PC games and if digital distribution is the future, I hope Microsoft gets rid of their DRM fixed so I can still play may downloaded content. I'm happy for you though, since you game on your pc and use the far better source of digital distribution. As for me, I'll stick to my simple non-gaming laptop for web surfing and 360 for gaming.

The big thing that prevents me from really liking the 360's online system is lack of backup capability. I know Microsoft is kinda scared about game hacking and so on, but if they simply allow me to use a USB-connected external hard drive to copy all my account data and downloaded games, then it'll provide a reasonable safety net in the event of drive failure, a handy outlet for people whose hard drives are filling up, and a much easier migration path for the inevitable next generation of Xbox. To help safeguard against hacking, the backup can be encrypted with whatever algorithms they like and using my Live account and/or my profile as the encryption key.
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I prefer having a copy of a game.
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#515 Burning-Sludge
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="RocKtheCasbaH"]

Digital distribution is fine ... until you go to borrow a game from a mate and check it out, or want to lend one out, and realise you can't. And you can't trade them in. Very convenient to just have all the games on one hard disk though. No more changing disks. I'll take a mix of both personally.

imprezawrx500

Like I said, all it'll take is a slight clarification of the law to fix that. After all, Steam storefront doesn't say "Rent" when you click the confirm button.

steam really should introducing renting, it could make them a tone more money. Like they let you preload game for free weekends, they should let you preload a game then rent it for a day or so.

If they can rent games out to you, why would they let you buy them?

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#516 blingchu55
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[QUOTE="blingchu55"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Good thing with steam I can make a bakup and bring it anywhere.

Bebi_vegeta

good thing everyone has credit cards

Good thing it doesn't require a credit card to buy a steam game... dude get with the program.

wut wut?
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#517 XaosII
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[QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

[QUOTE="blingchu55"] good thing everyone has credit cardsblingchu55

Good thing it doesn't require a credit card to buy a steam game... dude get with the program.

wut wut?

There are a few payment options with Steam, some that don't require credit/debit cards.

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Digital Distribution Is Far Better Than A DiskIndigoSunrise
No.

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#519 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="blingchu55"][QUOTE="Bebi_vegeta"]

Good thing it doesn't require a credit card to buy a steam game... dude get with the program.

XaosII

wut wut?

There are a few payment options with Steam, some that don't require credit/debit cards.

PayPal is available in the US, and ClickAndBuy in Europe.