@loe12k: Whether or not putting games on W10 is "meaningless" or makes business sense is an entirely different question from whether or not a game is exclusively available on a particular console.
@loe12k: Whether or not putting games on W10 is "meaningless" or makes business sense is an entirely different question from whether or not a game is exclusively available on a particular console.
And is sad because he like many others refuse to see that the XBO loss its selling point.
Last gen you wanted the latest Halo gear or forza you got a 360,there was no way around it,now you want any of those you won't be needing an xbox one any more,since MS stated that going forward all its games will release on its windows store.
Lemmings on denial try to act like this is great,while grinding their teeth and dropping a few tears,now all of the sudden exclusives don't matter.
MS is moving its games to PC because of profits nothing more the XBO hasn't being selling games like the 360 use to.
@loe12k: Whether or not putting games on W10 is "meaningless" or makes business sense is an entirely different question from whether or not a game is exclusively available on a particular console.
And is sad because he like many others refuse to see that the XBO loss its selling point.
Last gen you wanted the latest Halo gear or forza you got a 360,there was no way around it,now you want any of those you won't be needing an xbox one any more,since MS stated that going forward all its games will release on its windows store.
Lemmings on denial try to act like this is great,while grinding their teeth and dropping a few tears,now all of the sudden exclusives don't matter.
MS is moving its games to PC because of profits nothing more the XBO hasn't being selling games like the 360 use to.
Sentence structure is a thing of the past I guess!?!
@loe12k: Whether or not putting games on W10 is "meaningless" or makes business sense is an entirely different question from whether or not a game is exclusively available on a particular console.
And is sad because he like many others refuse to see that the XBO loss its selling point.
If exclusive games is the only selling point for a console, than neither console has one, and PS4 is still selling like hotcakes. As if 40mil people bought the PS4 for exclusives, don't make me laugh. Dumb statement.
On the topic. Graphics vs Gameplay..... Gameplay was the most important thing. As a soley console gamer the best games I have played graphically. Ryse/Driveclub and The Order were both duds. 5/10 games
The average person doesn't sit there counting pixels on the screen. I know I don't. Just winy internet crybabies do that.
It doesn't matter at all the the Neo will be less powerful than the Scorpio. It will sell more.
fps on the other hand affects the gameplay
So basically this is the only argument that can be taken into account regarding power.
Sentence structure is a thing of the past I guess!?!
So is staying in topic.
@FastRobby said:
If exclusive games is the only selling point for a console, than neither console has one, and PS4 is still selling like hotcakes. As if 40mil people bought the PS4 for exclusives, don't make me laugh. Dumb statement.
No i am not saying it is the only selling point,but it has being a force behind many sales.
No the xbox one doesn't have one the PS4 does.
Oh by the way Killzone SF sold on launch window 2.1 million copies on what was a 4.2 million user base if you ask me that is higher attach rate than any XBO game when the PS4 launch,and unlike MS sony wasn't giving killzone away free,like MS did with Forza,and several EA games on the launch window.
Funny enough Uncharted 4 sold faster than halo 5 did on launch and probably afterward to.
Fact is acting now like exclusives don't matter after 2 generations of Halo,gears and Forza hyping as reasons to get an xbox is a joke.
Exclusives are the reason the PS3 was able to mount a comeback on the 360. Lems who claim that a console can survive on multiplats alone have already been proven wrong. ..and they know it.
Either way it doesn't matter. In regards to consoles, yes the X1 is essentially meaningless to anyone who has a PC and the Scorpio will be meaningless to anyone who has a high end PC. Odds are that people who don't have a high end PC might pick the Scorpio up simply because it'll have the best graphical capabilities moving forward.
I don't see how MS providing multiple avenues to access their games is a bad thing. No matter how people try to spin this, and claim Lem tears, of which I'm sure many have been shed by fanboys who only love Xbox (not MS, but Xbox), this is a good thing for gamers.
Neo is still going to be the only console with Sony exclusives tho, so there's that.
Pretty big selling point to me.
I think they still have a chance to change it around in their favor, just lower the price to something even cheaper than the scorpio, maybe bundle a couple of games.
They're certainly not out of the running just yet, MS doesn't even have exclusives anymore.
Neo and Ps4 will have exclusives... although being on two platforms isn't exactly exclusive is it? After all, Neo is not the original PS4 console. But hey, MS has no exclusives since they are shared on Xbone and PC, but Sony does have them even though they are shared on PS4 and Neo right? Different hardware = same platform? Or not?
Either way it doesn't matter. In regards to consoles, yes the X1 is essentially meaningless to anyone who has a PC and the Scorpio will be meaningless to anyone who has a high end PC. Odds are that people who don't have a high end PC might pick the Scorpio up simply because it'll have the best graphical capabilities moving forward.
I don't see how MS providing multiple avenues to access their games is a bad thing. No matter how people try to spin this, and claim Lem tears, of which I'm sure many have been shed by fanboys who only love Xbox (not MS, but Xbox), this is a good thing for gamers.
The PS2 had 156 million units get GT3 sold like 11 million copies,most of sony exclusives on PS2 sold less than Halo Ce and Halo 2 even that the xbox had a much much smaller userbase.
I don't have a high end PC,but i can buy a RX480 and be on part basically with scorpio and would not have to yield the $500 or more for scorpio,many on PC can do that already.
Yes most xbox fans pretend that now,after generations of claiming the xbox and the 360 were the consoles to get because of Halo.
No matter how you try to spin this i can play Gears 4 on my PC FREEEEE online which lemming can't even do on their xbox,so basically not only i get a superior version i also get free online play funny isn't...
Exclusives are the reason the PS3 was able to mount a comeback on the 360. Lems who claim that a console can survive on multiplats alone have already been proven wrong. ..and they know it.
No it wasn't. Wasn't it you cows that claimed year after year the WW sales favored the PS3 from the beginning? PS3 had shit for exclusives early on. What saved the PS3 was Japan and more WW appeal due to PS1 & PS2 success. Exclusives didn't really start taking off until 2 or 3 years after launch.
Either way it doesn't matter. In regards to consoles, yes the X1 is essentially meaningless to anyone who has a PC and the Scorpio will be meaningless to anyone who has a high end PC. Odds are that people who don't have a high end PC might pick the Scorpio up simply because it'll have the best graphical capabilities moving forward.
I don't see how MS providing multiple avenues to access their games is a bad thing. No matter how people try to spin this, and claim Lem tears, of which I'm sure many have been shed by fanboys who only love Xbox (not MS, but Xbox), this is a good thing for gamers.
The PS2 had 156 million units get GT3 sold like 11 million copies,most of sony exclusives on PS2 sold less than Halo Ce and Halo 2 even that the xbox had a much much smaller userbase.
I don't have a high end PC,but i can buy a RX480 and be on part basically with scorpio and would not have to yield the $500 or more for scorpio,many on PC can do that already.
Yes most xbox fans pretend that now,after generations of claiming the xbox and the 360 were the consoles to get because of Halo.
No matter how you try to spin this i can play Gears 4 on my PC FREEEEE online which lemming can't even do on their xbox,so basically not only i get a superior version i also get free online play funny isn't...
No you can't. You don't play games and you never have. The real fact is you have console gamers and you have PC gamers and some that do both. You are the one that always crying about the majority of PC owners only having enough power to play card games and such, right? So those overwhelming majority of PC owners would then go to consoles right?
SWs is NOT the majority NOR the standard El Tormented, something you've yet to understand.
SWs is full of fanatics and crazy fanboys such as yourself. You so called gamers that exclude other gaming devices simply because it's not from your company of choice. That's not a gamer, that's a fanatical lunatic fanboy.
Who really cares when a high end PC now with 2 gtx 1080's shits on both systems?. Cue the 180's when more than 1 Scorpio game runs at 1080p@30 on a demanding game.
@kingtito Can you like not cry any harder?. I love how your post pretty much describes you & other thin skinned lems here on SW. Also nice job calling people who want to play xbox games on there PC's idiots because they know MS going this route will kill of xbox.
@kingtito: The PS3 didnt take off til 2-3 years after launch..
And yet, according to cows, was out selling the 360 WW. It starting selling well after the multitude of price drops, not after it got better exclusives.
@kingtito: it was 600 and 500 bucks man. Lol, exclusives can only do so much.
My point. If the PS3 was selling better WW than the 360 it wasn't just because of exclusives. It played a small roll but I'd say the success of the PS1, PS2 and the price drops it received in the 1st year. Oh and let's not forget all those people that bought it for the BR playing aspects. Exclusives is probably the smallest reason for it's sales, at least early on.
A good portion of PlayStation 4's success has been down to its spec advantage over Xbox One
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No it really isn't. The Playstation brand is larger worldwide, the PS4 launched for a cheaper price and it didn't have a terrible launch like the Xbone.
Spec disadvantage meant nothing for the Wii, PS1 or PS2.
@kingtito: it was 600 and 500 bucks man. Lol, exclusives can only do so much.
My point. If the PS3 was selling better WW than the 360 it wasn't just because of exclusives. It played a small roll but I'd say the success of the PS1, PS2 and the price drops it received in the 1st year. Oh and let's not forget all those people that bought it for the BR playing aspects. Exclusives is probably the smallest reason for it's sales, at least early on.
PS3 exclusives were garbage early on; 360 had games like Mass Effect, Bioshock and Oblivion long before PS3 received them. No one cared about Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Folklore and the first Uncharted, MGS4 was pretty much the first exclusive that mattered and it came out a year after launch, next batch came in 2009 when it really started to kick off.
If exclusive games is the only selling point for a console, than neither console has one, and PS4 is still selling like hotcakes. As if 40mil people bought the PS4 for exclusives, don't make me laugh. Dumb statement.
No i am not saying it is the only selling point,but it has being a force behind many sales.
@kingtito: it was 600 and 500 bucks man. Lol, exclusives can only do so much.
My point. If the PS3 was selling better WW than the 360 it wasn't just because of exclusives. It played a small roll but I'd say the success of the PS1, PS2 and the price drops it received in the 1st year. Oh and let's not forget all those people that bought it for the BR playing aspects. Exclusives is probably the smallest reason for it's sales, at least early on.
Price plays a part too, but I don't think more than exclusives. I honestly think they're the same in terms of selling consoles.
@kingtito: it was 600 and 500 bucks man. Lol, exclusives can only do so much.
My point. If the PS3 was selling better WW than the 360 it wasn't just because of exclusives. It played a small roll but I'd say the success of the PS1, PS2 and the price drops it received in the 1st year. Oh and let's not forget all those people that bought it for the BR playing aspects. Exclusives is probably the smallest reason for it's sales, at least early on.
Price plays a part too, but I don't think more than exclusives. I honestly think they're the same in terms of selling consoles.
Perhaps later in a consoles life but in the case of the PS3, there really wasn't many compelling exclusives. Not enough to justify the WW sales. I believe it was a combination of what I previously mentioned, price, prior consoles success and BR capabilities.
Why im thinking exactly the opposite ? That its too late for MS and X1 to turn this over for too many reasons to even think about ?
Even with the Scorpio? I ask because its a souped up X1, right?
Yeah even with the Scorpio ! What the hell DF means is too late for NEO ? Let me explain what i think :
1) PS4 userbase is already big and will get bigger which means
2) More focus ( games in short ) from 3rd party developers aside all those great 1st which wont find their way on any other platform ever which
3) Includes games dedicated to PS VR for VR enthusiasts ( RE7 is a fine example ) when
4) NEO will be more appealing with its price to value ratio rather than its specs considering
5) ITS GAMES !! Look E3 , crazy exclusive first/third party titles . Both quality and quantity let alone diversity which then
6) makes X1 , Scorpio or not , a less desirable option SPECIALLY for people with decent PCs that know beforehand that with one way or another X1 top exclusive games will find their way on PC aside the fact that
7) Scorpio will be more expensive which automatically will be less desirable for smaller markets ( economies in short , we all remember what happened to PS3 right ? )
So , in my opinion , i would say is RATHER LATE already for Scorpio rather than PS4 NEO. That is my analysis of things though , lets see if my crystal ball is as good as it always were with this one. Time will tell
The only sure thing is that Scorpio has a chance to do better than its older brother BUT i dont see how is possible to dethrone or even challenge PS4/NEO at this point just because will be more powerful. ITS TOO LATE for that imho.
@kingtito: The PS3 didnt take off til 2-3 years after launch..
And yet, according to cows, was out selling the 360 WW. It starting selling well after the multitude of price drops, not after it got better exclusives.
@AzatiS: There really no point in Scorpio since you just can grab the PC versions & even a rig with a 280x with 16gb ram can still play them at decent settings. The neo is more or less just a revised PS4 that better suited for VR & apparently it was cheaper for sony to go this route.
@kingtito: The PS3 didnt take off til 2-3 years after launch..
And yet, according to cows, was out selling the 360 WW. It starting selling well after the multitude of price drops, not after it got better exclusives.
@AzatiS: There really no point in Scorpio since you just can grab the PC versions & even a rig with a 280x with 16gb ram can still play them at decent settings. The neo is more or less just a revised PS4 that better suited for VR & apparently it was cheaper for sony to go this route.
R9-280X is not RX-480 level.
@doom456_ said:
Who really cares when a high end PC now with 2 gtx 1080's shits on both systems?. Cue the 180's when more than 1 Scorpio game runs at 1080p@30 on a demanding game.
@kingtito Can you like not cry any harder?. I love how your post pretty much describes you & other thin skinned lems here on SW. Also nice job calling people who want to play xbox games on there PC's idiots because they know MS going this route will kill of xbox.
That's after ~2.5 years.
NVIDIA Gameworks gimping wouldn't exist on Xbox Scorpio.
Either way it doesn't matter. In regards to consoles, yes the X1 is essentially meaningless to anyone who has a PC and the Scorpio will be meaningless to anyone who has a high end PC. Odds are that people who don't have a high end PC might pick the Scorpio up simply because it'll have the best graphical capabilities moving forward.
I don't see how MS providing multiple avenues to access their games is a bad thing. No matter how people try to spin this, and claim Lem tears, of which I'm sure many have been shed by fanboys who only love Xbox (not MS, but Xbox), this is a good thing for gamers.
The PS2 had 156 million units get GT3 sold like 11 million copies,most of sony exclusives on PS2 sold less than Halo Ce and Halo 2 even that the xbox had a much much smaller userbase.
I don't have a high end PC,but i can buy a RX480 and be on part basically with scorpio and would not have to yield the $500 or more for scorpio,many on PC can do that already.
Yes most xbox fans pretend that now,after generations of claiming the xbox and the 360 were the consoles to get because of Halo.
No matter how you try to spin this i can play Gears 4 on my PC FREEEEE online which lemming can't even do on their xbox,so basically not only i get a superior version i also get free online play funny isn't...
RX-480 level GPU also needs CPU upgrade i.e. needs Intel Core i5 Ivy-bridge or i5 Haswell. The majority of Steam's survey user base has dual core CPUs.
Exclusives are the reason the PS3 was able to mount a comeback on the 360. Lems who claim that a console can survive on multiplats alone have already been proven wrong. ..and they know it.
No it wasn't.Wasn't it you cows that claimed year after year the WW sales favored the PS3 from the beginning? PS3 had shit for exclusives early on. What saved the PS3 was Japan and more WW appeal due to PS1 & PS2 success. Exclusives didn't really start taking off until 2 or 3 years after launch.
Wrong Buddy, PS3 ALWAYS had games they just didn't have any AAA games until 2008. PS3's launch game was Resistance Fall of man AA on GS and critically certified AA on MC...has a higher average than Halo 5!!! This was at launch.
Lems just believe their own BS and propaganda and said AA games didn't count so now some of you clowns actually believe that nonsense, when at the same point in time the xbox one is now, PS3's library completely crushes what xbox one currently has.
So Shewgenja is right, PS3 did catch up with 360 because of it's exclusive and I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with you and makes your angry because you know xbone nor Scorpion can pull of the same thing the same thing the PS3 did because of MS's weak internal game development studios.
Well @tormentos, I present to you, the Cow hiding behind PC.
We sure have come full circle...
Well i never claimed there wasn't cases like those on the cow side.
@Juub1990 said:
@GoldenElementXL Where are @tormentos, @AM-Gamer, @m3dude1 and @Pray_to_me? I haven't seen them around lol.
Here or are you talking about this thread because this thread has being dead for 40 days,and was revive today.
@ronvalencia said:
7790 wasn't a re-brand from 7770 and served as the basis for Xbox One's IGP.
Yes but what tell you it will be the same.? Also the 7790 is another chapter on that line,the rebrand of the 7790 is the 260X,the rebrand on the 7850 is the R265,the 7770 is the 250X,the 7870 is the R270 and so on.
The 7790 is just another model inside the 7xxx line.
@gago-gago said:
What I appreciate is how Microsoft have been working to unifying their ecosystem and as an exclusive console gamer, this move provides me more and a wider range of games thanks to PC games coming over to the Xbox. There were some PC only games I'm interested in playing but consoles can't really handle them and run them right. With the Scorpio and Microsoft continued support of bringing their PC games to Xbox, that solves that problem.
What PC games are coming to xbox.? Any game the xbox one can't run it would probably not be on Scorpio as MS claimed all games will work across both models.
@quadknight said:
@Shewgenja said:
@GoldenElementXL: screw you asshole. I have been pro pc from day one. Ive been pc gaming since the 90s. Do you really want my ugly to come out? This is how you get it.
I'm with you bro. I'm a PC gamer as well, been gaming on PC since the mid-90s and will probably wreck most of the "hermits" in this thread at UT or Quake 3 Arena. People here act like you can't support Sony and be a PC gamer but at the same time you have rabid lems in SW claiming to be PC gamers.
Come on man this is 100% dishonest why don't you 2 claim better that you also game on PC,but defend the PS4 all day and they claim you are PC gamers is down right dishonest,and just like i slam lemmings who do it i must point my finger to you 2,i also game on PC but i am not a PC gamers,and i have being gaming on PC since the 90's to.
@ronvalencia said:
@techhog89 said:
@ronvalencia: Give me a source on third Vega chip.
3rd Vega/Greenland as an IGP.
Whole new SoC v15 architecture and related 4096 SP Greenland.
Year 2016 AMD SKUs are not enough for Scorpio, Xbox One.5 would be the result if MS used this year's IP refresh e.g. NEO indicates .5 update result.
This shit is what really let me mouth open @techhog89 he is using a 64 CU GPU and a 16 core CPU and claim some how that there is a 3rd option that GPU will be as fart from Scorpio as a top of the line PC is not from Neo.
@ronvalencia stop using hardware which you know doesn't represent Scorpio at all just because something exist or is planed doesn't mean it will be there for Scorpio.
scorpio is based i am sure on Polaris 10,since the stock models already is basically 6TF,i don't see why MS will wait 1 year to get something more expensive and water it down to 6TF when they can have it now,the true is there is a huge chance is RX480 as well,and instead of 6TF GPU is more a 6TF system including CPU and accounting all.
I know you will quote Phil and every one with 100 charts fact is MS has address Scorpio as a 6TF system at times rather than a system with 6TF GPU,so the signal is mixed and it would not be the first time they water down specs before release.
What you didn't factor in is Scorpio's SoC IP will be a variant from AMD's year 2017 PC SKUs i.e. Phil Spencer already stated AMD's year 2016 PC SKUs wasn't enough for their 6 TFLOPS GPU target.
It's a no brainier that game consoles are limited by lower chip area size limits than Server PC counterparts i.e. cost reduction measures needs to be applied.
RX-470's existence shows worst case chip fabrication quality for Polaris 10.
NEO's 911 Mhz Polaris 10 based IP also shows worst case chip fabrication quality. Both Sony's NEO and MS's statement on half gen jump for year 2016 AMD IP are consistent.
Game console fabrication chip yields targets the worst case yields.
Scorpio's 6 TFLOPS GPU in year 2017 indicates refinements with AMD/Global Foundry's worst case chip fabrication quality.
Remember, R9-390 displaced R9-290 as Hawaii's worst case chip fabrication quality.
MS could have launched Scorpio with 6 TFLOPS GPU this year but MS would have thrown a lot of failed RX-480 level IGP in the bin and RX-470 level IGP is not option for MS.
Exclusives are the reason the PS3 was able to mount a comeback on the 360. Lems who claim that a console can survive on multiplats alone have already been proven wrong. ..and they know it.
No it wasn't.Wasn't it you cows that claimed year after year the WW sales favored the PS3 from the beginning? PS3 had shit for exclusives early on. What saved the PS3 was Japan and more WW appeal due to PS1 & PS2 success. Exclusives didn't really start taking off until 2 or 3 years after launch.
Wrong Buddy, PS3 ALWAYS had games they just didn't have any AAA games until 2008. PS3's launch game was Resistance Fall of man AA on GS and critically certified AA on MC...has a higher average than Halo 5!!! This was at launch.
Lems just believe their own BS and propaganda and said AA games didn't count so now some of you clowns actually believe that nonsense, when at the same point in time the xbox one is now, PS3's library completely crushes what xbox one currently has.
So Shewgenja is right, PS3 did catch up with 360 because of it's exclusive and I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with you and makes your angry because you know xbone nor Scorpion can pull of the same thing the same thing the PS3 did because of MS's weak internal game development studios.
Every console has "games" but the PS3 had shit for games. I know because I owned one and the games were subpar at best. RFOM was average at best and yes I played it. It was a poor mans Halo.
Oh you mean like cows claiming the X1 has no games right now? Or that the 360 had no games after 2009? You mean that BS?
No it didn't. Exclusives are a small part of a consoles success and last gen more so than any other gen was dominated by multiplats. Remember the cows clamoring to the "WW sales" argument the entire gen and that had NOTHING to do with exclusives.
Sorry buddy but your opinion is filled with Sony stink. You're incapable of being objected with anything MS and Sony related and you've proved it time and time again so excuse me if I strongly disagree.
@Guy_Brohski: most of the people buying for multiplats and cod etc.. are doing so because thats where their friends play. Also price. Most people wont go buying a new 4k tv, most people will buy the cheapest system with the most games. This isnt a new gen not many people besides rich or people in their parents basement will.be buying either system especially if they already own a bone or ps4. Then thers is the fact that both og models will be cheaper too.. wherw most people who dont have a system yet will buy. Why, because if they dont have this gens conaole yet its probably because they cant afford it, otherwise they would own one by now.
Ps4neo and scorpio will be for a loud, rich, minority. Hell many people in the US are underemployed or laid off.. there not going to waste mobey on a $500 console and $600+ tv combo ( if you dont have 4ktv there is no point anyway)
Agreed . Sony will dominate all gen. People will buy the most powerful console at the cheapest price and most games.
@loe12k: Whether or not putting games on W10 is "meaningless" or makes business sense is an entirely different question from whether or not a game is exclusively available on a particular console.
And is sad because he like many others refuse to see that the XBO loss its selling point.
Last gen you wanted the latest Halo gear or forza you got a 360,there was no way around it,now you want any of those you won't be needing an xbox one any more,since MS stated that going forward all its games will release on its windows store.
Lemmings on denial try to act like this is great,while grinding their teeth and dropping a few tears,now all of the sudden exclusives don't matter.
MS is moving its games to PC because of profits nothing more the XBO hasn't being selling games like the 360 use to.
Yet you can't see the idiotic introduction of a fallacy where you think that every console gamer owns a gaming PC, or think that they're going to get one because of Microsoft expanding the Xbox brand to PC, I wouldn't even wager 15% of the console community overall own a gaming PC, and what percentage of them are Xbox One owners? And then what percentage of them will actually be affected by this?
Microsoft is hardly cutting into their existing or future user base, sure there are users with crossover, however the overwhelming majority of people that do and were going to buy consoles will continue to do so without interruption. This massive percentage of people don't buy consoles because 4-5 big exclusive games release per year, they do it because the platform has a great level of simplicity, it's user friendly, it's ignorance friendly, it's cheap and frankly most don't care enough to do or get anything else, it's amply sufficient for them.
You're basing your entire point on a biased and completely irrational state of thinking that doesn't exist in the real world because you're obsessed with Sony and simply want to demean the Xbox brand in any capacity you can, it's pathetic. What you're saying isn't even reaching, reaching implies plausibility, it's simply and completely false.
The Xbox One didn't lose a selling point, it lost a selling point to a percentage of a niche sect of the shared market between PC and console gamers, in other words a percentage of the small percentage of people who are console and PC gamers.
Neo and Ps4 will have exclusives... although being on two platforms isn't exactly exclusive is it? After all, Neo is not the original PS4 console. But hey, MS has no exclusives since they are shared on Xbone and PC, but Sony does have them even though they are shared on PS4 and Neo right? Different hardware = same platform? Or not?
I see so the 3ds has no exclusives then? How about PC?
Because the games are the same the hardware change the OS and services are the same so the games are consider exclusives,you don't see people arguing that Star Citizen is not PC exclusives because there is 100 different configurations of hardware running the same game.
How about the 3DS.?
New CPU more ram better graphics who has here argue 3ds games are not exclusive because of the new 3DS.?
The sad part here is that you want to compare having games on PC and XBO vs having games on Neo and PS4 and try to imply is the same case when in reality is not even close.
1-Neo is a PS4 just like the new 3DS still is a 3ds you don't need separate versions is a 1 size fits all exactly as PC had being doing for generations.
2-XBO,Scorpio are not the same as a PC,you can't install xbox games on PC nor you can install PC games on xbox,there is no compatibility between the 2 system regardless of running windows both,the XBO and Scorpio OS is an enclosed OS that requires a digital signature,games build for XBO are not build using the same PC code,or method and even John Carmack came forward a few weeks ago and claim it so DX12 on PC and on XBO are different and you still need 2 sets of codes.
3-UWP is just a MS store were you can buy multiple version of the same game for 1 price,as long as they are MS,it is a cross buy app for all intended purposes,you can't play any of your XBO games on PC you can't just physically insert or download a PC game to your xbox regardless of the games using windows 10 which the xbox one also use.
So again stop trying to imply that games on PC and XBO are the same as Neo and PS4,because they are not Neo is a PS4 a stronger one but still PS4.
I don't even consider games on PS3 and PS4 as exclusives let alone PC and PS4,basically if you go that route the PS4 has even more exclusives than the xbox one as it has more games share with PC that aren't on XBO.
Just like last gen an exclusive game is one on 1 platform,now i know you will come and cry that neo and PS4 are 2 platforms but on PC we have 200 different ones or more and its exclusives are still exclusives,basically it would be like saying 360 exclusives were not exclusives because of the slim 360 or PS3 games are not exclusive because of the PS3 slim.
@kingtito said:
No it wasn't. Wasn't it you cows that claimed year after year the WW sales favored the PS3 from the beginning? PS3 had shit for exclusives early on. What saved the PS3 was Japan and more WW appeal due to PS1 & PS2 success. Exclusives didn't really start taking off until 2 or 3 years after launch.
MMMM so a 86 game is shit.? Just want to be sure about your comment,how about 88 or 84.? Just curious what you will reply with..lol
By the way on launch anything sell there is a window for sales were some people will buy the console no matter what it has on,the XBO and 360 were testament to that as non have an exclusive on the 90% range on launch yet still sold good on the first few months..
That like saying the XBox 360 did great because of US and UK as the rest of the world didn't want it,and because it was up to $300 cheaper than a PS3.
Many think $100 was a big gap on 2013 when the PS4 and XBO launched imagine the $300 and $200 gap because the cheapest 360 model.
I was even surprised the PS3 did as well as it did,and yes the PS3 did have many exclusives,and since launch had a few some were good other were mediocre but,by 2007 just a year latter the PS3 was getting games like Uncharted Warhwak,heavenly sword,Ratchet and Clank tools of destruction and several more.
@kingtito said:
No you can't. You don't play games and you never have. The real fact is you have console gamers and you have PC gamers and some that do both. You are the one that always crying about the majority of PC owners only having enough power to play card games and such, right? So those overwhelming majority of PC owners would then go to consoles right?
SWs is NOT the majority NOR the standard El Tormented, something you've yet to understand.
SWs is full of fanatics and crazy fanboys such as yourself. You so called gamers that exclude other gaming devices simply because it's not from your company of choice. That's not a gamer, that's a fanatical lunatic fanboy.
The real fact is fool that there are many PC gamers who use to own a 360 as well and many who use to own an OG xbox as well,which would not need to own an xbox any more to get MS exclusives PERIOD.
How do you know i don't play games.? Do you live here with me.? Oh wait it is because i don't talk about games which you ALSO DON'T DO.
Again you are on this thread with a huge damage control and you are not talking about games,this is mostly what your posting history is compose of you defending the xbox brand.
Most player having hardware under the PS4 has nothing to do with this argument,is a question of adoption rate on PC not one about consoles vs PC,in fact when scorpio and Neo release that % should drop even more,as they carry even more powerful hardware but that has shit to do with this argument.
You calling me a crazy fanboy when all you do here is defend MS and don't even have the guts to admit you are a lemming maker it even more lol worthy.
Get back to me when you have a back bone and actually admit you are a MS suck up,at least i know i am a cow nothing worse than a hypocrite who defend something all day doesn't talk about games and accuse you of being a fanboy..lol
And yet, according to cows, was out selling the 360 WW. It starting selling well after the multitude of price drops, not after it got better exclusives.
It got just 1 price drop in 2007,and then 2009 with the slim.
Still it was $200 and $100 more expensive than the 360 in 2007 and outsold the xbox 360 worldwide that year,on 2008 the xbox 360 outsold it world wide,and after 2009 the PS3 outsold it almost every year as well world wide.
Look at it this way the PS3 was up to $300 more expensive and still came back,the xbox one was $100 and never could even that now it is $50 cheaper and for more than 1 year.
The PS3 started pumping a huge amount of exclusives like after 2009,but it had decent ones since launch.The 360 on the other hand stopped pumping exclusives like from 2009 were MS change it focus to Kinect which came latter on.
@sHaDyCuBe321 said:
@tormentos: And MS still gets your money regardless, so your point is moot.
No is not moot because my argument isn't MS will not get any money on PC,but the fact that you don't need an xbox one any more for xbox exclusives.
@APiranhaAteMyVa said:
PS3 exclusives were garbage early on; 360 had games like Mass Effect, Bioshock and Oblivion long before PS3 received them. No one cared about Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Folklore and the first Uncharted, MGS4 was pretty much the first exclusive that mattered and it came out a year after launch, next batch came in 2009 when it really started to kick off.
And that is funny because Uncharted had 88% on meta and Resistance 86% yet were consider bad,on launch of the XBO Forza with 79% was consider great,Halo MCC with 85 and Halo 5 with 84% and they are consider great,there is an incredibly inconsistent view about quality this past 2 generations compare to the 360 the XBO has being totally mediocre even compare to the PS3 which by this time on its life cycle had several 90+ games on its belt.
You argument is great because it show how things were and how it was the popular opinion back then,the moto around the PS3 was "" The PS3 has no games"" and stick to like 2012 when clearly the PS3 had tons of games.
I remember how hyped games like Mass Effect,Bioshiock,Oblivion and many others were on 360 vs what the PS3 use to offer on those times,the 360 had like 6 or 7 games not on PS3 by 2007 with a 90% or better score,several completely exclusive like Bioshock,Mass Effect,Halo 3,Forza,Gears.
By 2008 even more by 2016 the xbox one has non.
Yet some how lemmings see the xbox one as having great games,because lets face it scores don't matter any more this gen,neither sales or superior versions.. :(
Quote me saying exclusives are the only reason consoles sell.
Good luck.
@Shewgenja said:
Cows can be silly creatures.
You are a cow have some dignity...lol
@kingtito said:
I concur lol
lol this from one of the biggest lemmings on this place..
Both of you should get a backbone you are a lemm and he is a cow..lol
@ronvalencia said:
R9-280X is not RX-480 level.
That's after ~2.5 years.
NVIDIA Gameworks gimping wouldn't exist on Xbox Scorpio.
He never claim that he claim a 280X with 16GB of ram with play at decent settings he didn't claim the 280X = the 480 at all.
@ronvalencia said:
RX-480 level GPU also needs CPU upgrade i.e. needs Intel Core i5 Ivy-bridge or i5 Haswell. The majority of Steam's survey user base has dual core CPUs.
Yes and since Scorpio isn't porting a i5 ivy - bridge or haswell your point is totally moot,don't expect Scorpio to have a CPU on that level of performance,at least not if the console is to be $500 or less.
I love how you argue against PC and claim you are not a lemming..lol
I see Tormentos is exposing the lems in this thread. LOL @ lems and their revisionist history. Lastgen isn't even that long ago and they are already trying to distort it to suit their agenda. If Uncharted and Resistance were garbage it means the entire Xbone lineup is shit because both games were better received than any Xbone exclusive this gen. PS3 outsold the 360 worldwide from day one and is the reason it was able to overtake the 360 eventually.
Sony always had Japan and Europe's support despite getting demolished in the US, and were able to catch up despite releasing a year later and $200 more expensive than the competition because of this support. MS has neither Europe nor Japan, They are getting rekt everywhere including the US. Any lems thinking Scorpio will turn the tide for MS this gen are completely delusional. Regular PS4s will continue to dominate this gen even after Neo and Scorpio release, the majority of casuals do not give a crap about 4K gaming, and the hardcore gamers that do care about 4K gaming already have PCs to chose from that vastly outperform Scorpio and Neo.
1-Neo is a PS4 just like the new 3DS still is a 3ds you don't need separate versions is a 1 size fits all exactly as PC had being doing for generations.
2-XBO,Scorpio are not the same as a PC,you can't install xbox games on PC nor you can install PC games on xbox,there is no compatibility between the 2 system regardless of running windows both,the XBO and Scorpio OS is an enclosed OS that requires a digital signature,games build for XBO are not build using the same PC code,or method and even John Carmack came forward a few weeks ago and claim it so DX12 on PC and on XBO are different and you still need 2 sets of codes.
3-UWP is just a MS store were you can buy multiple version of the same game for 1 price,as long as they are MS,it is a cross buy app for all intended purposes,you can't play any of your XBO games on PC you can't just physically insert or download a PC game to your xbox regardless of the games using windows 10 which the xbox one also use.
So again stop trying to imply that games on PC and XBO are the same as Neo and PS4,because they are not Neo is a PS4 a stronger one but still PS4.
I don't even consider games on PS3 and PS4 as exclusives let alone PC and PS4,basically if you go that route the PS4 has even more exclusives than the xbox one as it has more games share with PC that aren't on XBO.
Just like last gen an exclusive game is one on 1 platform,now i know you will come and cry that neo and PS4 are 2 platforms but on PC we have 200 different ones or more and its exclusives are still exclusives,basically it would be like saying 360 exclusives were not exclusives because of the slim 360 or PS3 games are not exclusive because of the PS3 slim.
Console specifics for AMD GPUs are not optimal for NVIDIA GPUs.
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Share of 2-4 CPU cores depending on the number of apps and games running on the system.
Share of 45% of the GPU depending on the number of apps and games running on the system.
UWP on Xbox One supports DirectX 11 Feature Level 10. DirectX 12 is not supported at this time.
For application development, it's important to keep in mind that the resources available may be limited in comparison to a standard PC.
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UWP on Xbox One supports DirectX 11 Feature Level 10. DirectX 12 is not supported at this time. Xbox One, like all traditional games consoles, is a specialized piece of hardware that requires a specific SDK to access its full potential. If you are working on a game that requires access to the maximum potential of the Xbox One hardware, you can register with the ID@XBOX program to get access to that SDK, which includes DirectX 12 support.
UWP is just a distraction to common Windows 10 and Xbox One APIs i.e. Xbox One supports DirectX 12.
The context for ID Software's different code paths between Windows PC and Xbox One deals with Doom 2016's AMD GCN intrinsic functions i.e. hit-the-metal functions.
Quote me saying exclusives are the only reason consoles sell.
Good luck.
@Shewgenja said:
Cows can be silly creatures.
You are a cow have some dignity...lol
@kingtito said:
I concur lol
lol this from one of the biggest lemmings on this place..
Both of you should get a backbone you are a lemm and he is a cow..lol
@ronvalencia said:
R9-280X is not RX-480 level.
That's after ~2.5 years.
NVIDIA Gameworks gimping wouldn't exist on Xbox Scorpio.
He never claim that he claim a 280X with 16GB of ram with play at decent settings he didn't claim the 280X = the 480 at all.
@ronvalencia said:
RX-480 level GPU also needs CPU upgrade i.e. needs Intel Core i5 Ivy-bridge or i5 Haswell. The majority of Steam's survey user base has dual core CPUs.
Yes and since Scorpio isn't porting a i5 ivy - bridge or haswell your point is totally moot,don't expect Scorpio to have a CPU on that level of performance,at least not if the console is to be $500 or less.
I love how you argue against PC and claim you are not a lemming..lol
You didn't factor in Scorpio has design considerations for VR Oculus Rift and Fallout 4 PC VR without major refactoring.
VR Oculus Rift's system requirement for CPU is Intel Core i5-4590 equivalent.
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By the time Scorpio is released, AMD would have "ZEN+" to replace the 1st gen "ZEN" CPU core.
Quote me saying exclusives are the only reason consoles sell.
Good luck.
Your answer on the quote of the guy is saying EXACTLY that.
@tormentos said:
@SakusEnvoy said:
@loe12k: Whether or not putting games on W10 is "meaningless" or makes business sense is an entirely different question from whether or not a game is exclusively available on a particular console.
And is sad because he like many others refuse to see that the XBO lost its selling point.
"its selling point" is the key here. That's one point out of one. You should've said: "one of its selling points", which you didn't.
@ronvalencia: Whatever happened to the zen lite rumors being in the Ps4Neo? Haven't heard anything on that in a while. Hopefully Neo gets delayed so that they can throw in zen lite cpu.
No it wasn't. Wasn't it you cows that claimed year after year the WW sales favored the PS3 from the beginning? PS3 had shit for exclusives early on. What saved the PS3 was Japan and more WW appeal due to PS1 & PS2 success. Exclusives didn't really start taking off until 2 or 3 years after launch.
MMMM so a 86 game is shit.? Just want to be sure about your comment,how about 88 or 84.? Just curious what you will reply with..lol
By the way on launch anything sell there is a window for sales were some people will buy the console no matter what it has on,the XBO and 360 were testament to that as non have an exclusive on the 90% range on launch yet still sold good on the first few months..
That like saying the XBox 360 did great because of US and UK as the rest of the world didn't want it,and because it was up to $300 cheaper than a PS3.
Many think $100 was a big gap on 2013 when the PS4 and XBO launched imagine the $300 and $200 gap because the cheapest 360 model.
I was even surprised the PS3 did as well as it did,and yes the PS3 did have many exclusives,and since launch had a few some were good other were mediocre but,by 2007 just a year latter the PS3 was getting games like Uncharted Warhwak,heavenly sword,Ratchet and Clank tools of destruction and several more.
@kingtito said:
No you can't. You don't play games and you never have. The real fact is you have console gamers and you have PC gamers and some that do both. You are the one that always crying about the majority of PC owners only having enough power to play card games and such, right? So those overwhelming majority of PC owners would then go to consoles right?
SWs is NOT the majority NOR the standard El Tormented, something you've yet to understand.
SWs is full of fanatics and crazy fanboys such as yourself. You so called gamers that exclude other gaming devices simply because it's not from your company of choice. That's not a gamer, that's a fanatical lunatic fanboy.
The real fact is fool that there are many PC gamers who use to own a 360 as well and many who use to own an OG xbox as well,which would not need to own an xbox any more to get MS exclusives PERIOD.
How do you know i don't play games.? Do you live here with me.? Oh wait it is because i don't talk about games which you ALSO DON'T DO.
Again you are on this thread with a huge damage control and you are not talking about games,this is mostly what your posting history is compose of you defending the xbox brand.
Most player having hardware under the PS4 has nothing to do with this argument,is a question of adoption rate on PC not one about consoles vs PC,in fact when scorpio and Neo release that % should drop even more,as they carry even more powerful hardware but that has shit to do with this argument.
You calling me a crazy fanboy when all you do here is defend MS and don't even have the guts to admit you are a lemming maker it even more lol worthy.
Get back to me when you have a back bone and actually admit you are a MS suck up,at least i know i am a cow nothing worse than a hypocrite who defend something all day doesn't talk about games and accuse you of being a fanboy..lol
Yeah, since I played the game and the MC scores don't determine how good a game is to me, yes RFOM was shit. It was a Sony's poor attempt at Halo gold and it failed miserably. You wouldn't know El Tormented because YOU didn't play it.
Now it was $300 cheaper? So $499 -$599 vs $399 - $299 == $300? Your math is as bad as your reading comprehension
Sure you were El Tormented. It wasn't like every cow in the world wasn't constantly making statements like "wait till PS3 launches, it's going to destroy the 360" or "just wait the PS3 is going to pass the 360 in (enter year)". It's more like you were so surprised the PS3 sold so like shit compared to it's predecessors. Nice try El Tormented but no one is buying your BS
Fact is you moron, there are many people that don't want to game on a PC and PC gamers that don't want to game on a console. There is absolutely zero evidence of MS losing sales because they've opened up their library to the PC, something they said they were going to start doing years ago.
Everyone knows you don't play games. You live off the youtube videos and reviews on MC. No I don't live with you, not enough room in your basement.
Reading comprehension El Tormented, learn it, love it, live it.
Get back to me when you learn to understand what you read AND you get a console and play the games you talk about. Youtube videos don't count and neither do reviews.
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