so, Enhanced means "dumbed down"?
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@blueinheaven: Blame fanboys who always act like noobs (serious or not, don't know). "Lol PC spreadsheets. No one has time for micromanagement. I play games for fun through mah couch and have cinematiczzz experience".
Yeah I know it's SW and this shit happens all the time but accusing people of being too stupid to play a game because it was originally on PC is just incredibly insulting to console gamers and is a lot more personal than 'consoles suck' as an i.e.
Wow....Divinity is going to be this great game than fanboys thought it already was.
Divinity was simply put, a bad CRPG.....great combat, but a bad CRPG. This new edition will hopefully be so reworked that its CRPG elements are improved and that the story is improved. The story did have potential, but it wasn't well executed. Larian knows this.
And an enhanced Divinity will easily take out Pillars of Eternity, a grossly overrated game.
Oh I am not saying it's you specifically that takes this personally.. But the shit I see like "lol looks like pc loses another exclusive".. Or vice versa, its dumb.
did you forget about Torment ?!
Given how Brain Fargo lied with Wasteland 2, expect this to be console built.
maybe but even a time exclusive is an exclusive , plus we still have pillars of eternity
Hey let that become multiplat, as long as the games quality does not suffer I really could care less.. I don't some how get MORE joy from playing a exclusive over a multiplat..
I sense staggering butthurt just because what was previously a PC exclusive will now also be on console, Boo fucking hoo.
Those people are just trolling. This game should be played by everyone.
Derp.
Good job ignoring my main point namely that you accuse console gamers of being too stupid to play a CRPG 'ya it will probably be too complex for them'. God knows what sort of world you live in that a game like Divinity OS can ever be considered complex.
I sense staggering butthurt just because what was previously a PC exclusive will now also be on console, Boo fucking hoo.
Those people are just trolling. This game should be played by everyone.
Derp.
Good job ignoring my main point namely that you accuse console gamers of being too stupid to play a CRPG 'ya it will probably be too complex for them'. God knows what sort of world you live in that a game like Divinity OS can ever be considered complex.
It's god damn rocket science compared to games like Call of Duty Series, Order 1886, Uncharted, etc etc..
I sense staggering butthurt just because what was previously a PC exclusive will now also be on console, Boo fucking hoo.
Those people are just trolling. This game should be played by everyone.
Derp.
Good job ignoring my main point namely that you accuse console gamers of being too stupid to play a CRPG 'ya it will probably be too complex for them'. God knows what sort of world you live in that a game like Divinity OS can ever be considered complex.
More complex than your average console game.
I sense staggering butthurt just because what was previously a PC exclusive will now also be on console, Boo fucking hoo.
Those people are just trolling. This game should be played by everyone.
Derp.
Good job ignoring my main point namely that you accuse console gamers of being too stupid to play a CRPG 'ya it will probably be too complex for them'. God knows what sort of world you live in that a game like Divinity OS can ever be considered complex.
More complex than your average console game.
You could say then that it's more complex than your average PC game (i.e. 5 million FPS and F2P games). It's no more complex than some of the earlier Final Fantasy games which also had turn based combat, inventory management, skill trees etc. It is not a complex game.
You seem to forget that the vast majority of PC games are dumbed down now anyway it's a general industry disease not just to do with consoles. Take a look at Telltale as an i.e. they have mastered the art of braindead non-games and they started on PC and have been hugely successful on that platform. I hope none of those console elitists point out how dumb you are because these games started on your platform of choice that wouldn't do at all would it?
(i.e. 5 million FPS and F2P games).
PC F2P/FPS games currently make up the biggest and highets skill-cap/ceiling competitive titles on the market.
What's that got to do with anything? Move, point, shoot. There's your FPS. Complex? Answer: two letters, rhymes with 'po'.
(i.e. 5 million FPS and F2P games).
PC F2P/FPS games currently make up the biggest and highets skill-cap/ceiling competitive titles on the market.
What's that got to do with anything? Move, point, shoot. There's your FPS. Complex? Answer: two letters, rhymes with 'po'.
Any Moba and fps like CS/TF2 are far more complex than shit like Destiny and Uncharted.
Divinity is also more complex than most console titles. Console's are for more simplistic natured folk
(i.e. 5 million FPS and F2P games).
PC F2P/FPS games currently make up the biggest and highets skill-cap/ceiling competitive titles on the market.
What's that got to do with anything? Move, point, shoot. There's your FPS. Complex? Answer: two letters, rhymes with 'po'.
Any Moba and fps like CS/TF2 are far more complex than shit like Destiny and Uncharted.
Divinity is also more complex than most console titles. Console's are for more simplistic natured folk
I'm reading your comments in shocked disbelief. I have played FPS on PC since Doom and played tons of multiplayer Doom 2 and later, CS and TF2. We described these games as exciting and even exhilarating but complex? lol.... if running around and shooting someone is complex for you I imagine you must find it quite a challenge to get dressed in the morning when you wake up.
Divinity may be marginally more complex than some RPG's on consoles but there isn't much in it. How is it more complex than DAI which is a HUGE hit on console? You're kidding yourself.
Anyway, if it's more complex than games on console, as I've already pointed out it's more complex than games on PC too. ALL games are dumbed down now.
Sorry chap, but no matter how much you desperately try to convince yourself you're part of some elitist super-intelligent PC gaming movement you are always going to massively fail. The games people play on console are largely the same as the ones you play on PC including the 'complex' ones that involve running around shooting people in the head lolz at that, that DID make me laugh.
Well for starters DAI is best on PC. Secondly, play it and find out. Turnbased is automatically more complex than DAI.
'DAI is best on PC' are you on drugs? What does that have to do with how complex it is? Play DAI on hard and see how often you need to pause which effectively makes it turn based. I'm beginning to think you don't play any of these games and in fact probably don't even have a PC you constantly just talk absolute nonsense.
Well for starters DAI is best on PC. Secondly, play it and find out. Turnbased is automatically more complex than DAI.
'DAI is best on PC' are you on drugs? What does that have to do with how complex it is? Play DAI on hard and see how often you need to pause which effectively makes it turn based. I'm beginning to think you don't play any of these games and in fact probably don't even have a PC you constantly just talk absolute nonsense.
See, this is what I mean by Console gamers being simple natured folk.
I solo'd hardest difficulty as a Knight Enchanter while spamming attacks. But to you this game is super hard. See the contrast?
Well for starters DAI is best on PC. Secondly, play it and find out. Turnbased is automatically more complex than DAI.
'DAI is best on PC' are you on drugs? What does that have to do with how complex it is? Play DAI on hard and see how often you need to pause which effectively makes it turn based. I'm beginning to think you don't play any of these games and in fact probably don't even have a PC you constantly just talk absolute nonsense.
See, this is what I mean by Console gamers being simple natured folk.
I solo'd hardest difficulty as a Knight Enchanter while spamming attacks. But to you this game is super hard. See the contrast?
a) I'm primarily a PC gamer b) DAI was not hard at all for me I found myself overlevelled in most areas because I did too many quests bad game design I was just pointing out that the game CAN be played turn based and c) Knight Enchanter in DAI is basically cheat mode. Which makes you kind of dumb if you have to use an exploit so you can't die. I can actually see now how you find FPS games to be complex and challenging.
Your jibes at 'stupid' console gamers become increasingly hilarious.
Well for starters DAI is best on PC. Secondly, play it and find out. Turnbased is automatically more complex than DAI.
'DAI is best on PC' are you on drugs? What does that have to do with how complex it is? Play DAI on hard and see how often you need to pause which effectively makes it turn based. I'm beginning to think you don't play any of these games and in fact probably don't even have a PC you constantly just talk absolute nonsense.
See, this is what I mean by Console gamers being simple natured folk.
I solo'd hardest difficulty as a Knight Enchanter while spamming attacks. But to you this game is super hard. See the contrast?
To be honest I found Divinity OS to be far more difficult than DA:I and I played both on hard
Well for starters DAI is best on PC. Secondly, play it and find out. Turnbased is automatically more complex than DAI.
'DAI is best on PC' are you on drugs? What does that have to do with how complex it is? Play DAI on hard and see how often you need to pause which effectively makes it turn based. I'm beginning to think you don't play any of these games and in fact probably don't even have a PC you constantly just talk absolute nonsense.
See, this is what I mean by Console gamers being simple natured folk.
I solo'd hardest difficulty as a Knight Enchanter while spamming attacks. But to you this game is super hard. See the contrast?
To be honest I found Divinity OS to be far more difficult than DA:I and I played both on hard
DAI is easy unless you skip most of the quests. I hated how they give you too many areas to quest in and never up the level range as the game goes on. OS was only challenging at the beginning and became piss easy about halfway through when you have good gear and skills, for me anyway.
i bet you only 1/10 of console owners will beat the game.
Ya it's probably a bit too complex for them.
have you beat it?
Alot of PC gamers havent actually beat it either lol.
But this is great news. People who already own it get a free upgrade too.
Now I'll get it.
Yup me too.
You guys understand that the game still requires the same mental capacity as the original PC version, right?
The game isn't difficult it starts off that way and just gets easier. It's similar to Witcher 2, starts brutal then just gets easier as you go on. Console gamers aren't stupid don't let yourself down and talk to them as though they are.
Now I'll get it.
Yup me too.
You guys understand that the game still requires the same mental capacity as the original PC version, right?
The game isn't difficult it starts off that way and just gets easier. It's similar to Witcher 2, starts brutal then just gets easier as you go on. Console gamers aren't stupid don't let yourself down and talk to them as though they are.
Of course, I know that, I wasn't saying consoleros are stupid. It looked more like they find m/kb too complicated though, I mean what else could be the reason? Apart from the controller support/UI and some enhancements it's still the same game it was on PC.
The reason? Here's a simple one not relating to 'brain power' that might not have occurred to you. I don't have a gaming PC. I like this game. I want to play it. I don't want to play it enough to build a gaming PC, which does not currently fit into my lifestyle anyway.
Associating someone's intelligence with their choice of game platforms betrays your lack of own, paradoxically enough. If you weren't saying 'consoleros' are stupid, then your original comment - 'You guys understand that the game still requires the same mental capacity as the original PC version, right?' - requires a fair bit of explanation as to what exactly its intended meaning was.
Now I'll get it.
Yup me too.
You guys understand that the game still requires the same mental capacity as the original PC version, right?
The game isn't difficult it starts off that way and just gets easier. It's similar to Witcher 2, starts brutal then just gets easier as you go on. Console gamers aren't stupid don't let yourself down and talk to them as though they are.
Of course, I know that, I wasn't saying consoleros are stupid. It looked more like they find m/kb too complicated though, I mean what else could be the reason? Apart from the controller support/UI and some enhancements it's still the same game it was on PC.
it will be the same game and they will love it just as much as we do. I'm not sure what m/kb has to do with anything? I like 'consoleros' though, some wild west shit going on there, nice.
Glad to see the "hardcore patch" has indeed morphed into a full blown enhanced edition. Only problem is I'll now be waiting even longer to start my second play through.
Console gamers are in for a real treat, they'll finally get to experience a true RPG instead of the watered down action games they get now.
Now I'll get it.
Yup me too.
You guys understand that the game still requires the same mental capacity as the original PC version, right?
The game isn't difficult it starts off that way and just gets easier. It's similar to Witcher 2, starts brutal then just gets easier as you go on. Console gamers aren't stupid don't let yourself down and talk to them as though they are.
Of course, I know that, I wasn't saying consoleros are stupid. It looked more like they find m/kb too complicated though, I mean what else could be the reason? Apart from the controller support/UI and some enhancements it's still the same game it was on PC.
I'm willing to bet that 95% of consolites have had atleast moderate exposure to a PC's m/kb setup (in school atleast). There's no reason that Sony or MS shouldn't have atleast experimented with a 1st party m/kb setup.
I'm a "consolero" and I'm typing this on my non-gaming desktop PC.
@charizard1605: k
Now I'll get it.
Yup me too.
You guys understand that the game still requires the same mental capacity as the original PC version, right?
The game isn't difficult it starts off that way and just gets easier. It's similar to Witcher 2, starts brutal then just gets easier as you go on. Console gamers aren't stupid don't let yourself down and talk to them as though they are.
Of course, I know that, I wasn't saying consoleros are stupid. It looked more like they find m/kb too complicated though, I mean what else could be the reason? Apart from the controller support/UI and some enhancements it's still the same game it was on PC.
it will be the same game and they will love it just as much as we do. I'm not sure what m/kb has to do with anything? I like 'consoleros' though, some wild west shit going on there, nice.
The m/kb part was referring to the fact that a lot of console gamers claim that having to use two input devices at the same time is somehow too difficult, or that m/kb sucks because a keyboard has too many keys to remember. Though to be fair I've heard this excuse mostly on YouTube in the comment section, so it might not represent the console audience here in SW.
Of course it doesn't. Most people here are posting using computers. Me, I started out gaming on PCs, with RTSs, TBSs, RPGs, sims, and shooters forming the crux of my played games in earlier years. It's not about ability or coordination or what have you, it's about preference. That's it.
1. The game is turn based therefore it can be ported to consoles without much of gameplay sacrifices.
2. By the time the game gets released on consoles, it will have been a pc exclusive for two years, therefore don't be miser like consolites, the developer deserves to make additional money from a console release. They didn´t harm PC gamers in any way, don´t debase yourself to consolites' level fighting over exclusives. We have plenty of exlusives, we can share some.
Now I'll get it.
Yup me too.
You guys understand that the game still requires the same mental capacity as the original PC version, right?
The game isn't difficult it starts off that way and just gets easier. It's similar to Witcher 2, starts brutal then just gets easier as you go on. Console gamers aren't stupid don't let yourself down and talk to them as though they are.
Of course, I know that, I wasn't saying consoleros are stupid. It looked more like they find m/kb too complicated though, I mean what else could be the reason? Apart from the controller support/UI and some enhancements it's still the same game it was on PC.
The reason? Here's a simple one not relating to 'brain power' that might not have occurred to you. I don't have a gaming PC. I like this game. I want to play it. I don't want to play it enough to build a gaming PC, which does not currently fit into my lifestyle anyway.
Associating someone's intelligence with their choice of game platforms betrays your lack of own, paradoxically enough. If you weren't saying 'consoleros' are stupid, then your original comment - 'You guys understand that the game still requires the same mental capacity as the original PC version, right?' - requires a fair bit of explanation as to what exactly its intended meaning was.
Its like saying Americans are stupid because one guy in Texas cant point to France on a map.
The reason? Here's a simple one not relating to 'brain power' that might not have occurred to you. I don't have a gaming PC. I like this game. I want to play it. I don't want to play it enough to build a gaming PC, which does not currently fit into my lifestyle anyway.
Associating someone's intelligence with their choice of game platforms betrays your lack of own, paradoxically enough. If you weren't saying 'consoleros' are stupid, then your original comment - 'You guys understand that the game still requires the same mental capacity as the original PC version, right?' - requires a fair bit of explanation as to what exactly its intended meaning was.
Its like saying Americans are stupid because one guy in Texas cant point to France on a map.
Nailed it
one reason people are comparing game "difficulty" with platforms is that most console geared games are designed so the average gamer won't be scared off by too much decision making or user input. there aren't many games, RPGs especially, that are designed for consoles that take the kind of attention a lot of PC geared games include. not saying that console games should be dumbed down, they just unfortunately usually are.
how many console games are there where you can interact with and collect almost every item on the screen, then use those items to(try to) interact with almost every other item on the screen? then it's left up to the player to decide what to hold onto, with no inclination of future use, because there's a chance it may be needed for some future quest? how many are there where you have to read and reread quest notes because items\quests aren't a blip on your map, or glowing, or highlighted with text on the screen? how many out there where you can choose to use more than 10 buttons\keys and turn off action wheels? not many, and it's not the console users fault, it's just that the platform is geared more toward mainstream.
those are some of the small things that makes the difference a lot of people look for in PC games and cannot find a lot of the time with more mainstreamed console games. those small differences are what usually make a game more complex\difficult. not how many times you have to mash a button before something is dead.
PC losing another exclusive, huh? Ouch.
i really hope that was just sarcasm.
why would it hurt to have a game on more platforms? are you consolites really that stuck in your own fucked up little worlds that you wouldn't even want any one else to enjoy one of your precious "exclusives"? pretty sure Divinity 2 already was consolized, so this franchise has branched out before.
Well for starters DAI is best on PC. Secondly, play it and find out. Turnbased is automatically more complex than DAI.
'DAI is best on PC' are you on drugs? What does that have to do with how complex it is? Play DAI on hard and see how often you need to pause which effectively makes it turn based. I'm beginning to think you don't play any of these games and in fact probably don't even have a PC you constantly just talk absolute nonsense.
Eh, I play on nightmare and almost never pause the combat. DA: I is all about party build and abusing the simple tactic system. This is after spending some time with the game though.
Of course, Divinity is just as easy as you get further in.
Both are a blast to play.
I wonder how many copies it will actually sell considering the kind of "cinematic" games most console gamers tend to like.
can't imagine playing a CPRG game without a mouse
I'd be very surprised if this (or Wasteland 2) sell well on consoles. The marketing tend to be big budget Micheal Bay style games - all visuals.
Considering it took 2 months to sell 500k on PC, this dev will love the console sales I bet. Which will probably sell that amount faster on the PS4 alone.
It sold more than 830,000 copies on steam alone and almost half that on gog. So more than a million copies. Thanks for lying I guess ?
And if really think its gonna even crack a quarter of a million on consoles you are delusional. This simply isn't the kind of game console kiddies have the patience to play.
Proof?
Use steamspy and google . Are you that freaking dense ?
http://steamspy.com/app/230230
Hey thanks for the link. Very useful. Their data seems pretty accurate. Their data is exactly the same as the official announcements from Cities: Skylines, DayZ and H1Z1 devs. Damn, 5 out of 7 million sales of Witcher franchise are from Steam alone. Then there is GOG version too. Really impressive.
It's as credable a VG charts, because they gather data from "a limited number of users" then estimate. I'm not desputing the numbers though, that probably is about right.
It's a piece of software that monitors the number of users that currently own the game. It is entirely accurate for every game that isn't on free week.
Wrong, there site explicitly says otherwise. It's software though.
Do you have mental issues ?
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Reading the comments on other websites that people say about DOS made me realize a good amount of people get really lost and frustrated without some sort of basic guide/arrow/etc giving them an obvious hint or straight up telling them where to go all the time. They really suck at the game. Seems they also oppose different tones of dialogue and if it isn't considered serious or grimdark, then it's bad writing. I thought it had a good mix of all tones with the humor never being a focus point.
so, Enhanced means "dumbed down"?
One of the main complaints was that lack of story and dialogue. The developer admitted it was inspired by ultima, but people constantly compared it to balders gate. Given it's getting more story elements, enhanced party members and new area's, it will probably be improved, I doubt nowhere near the level of POE, but improved none the less.
so, Enhanced means "dumbed down"?
One of the main complaints was that lack of story and dialogue. The developer admitted it was inspired by ultima, but people constantly compared it to balders gate. Given it's getting more story elements, enhanced party members and new area's, it will probably be improved, I doubt nowhere near the level of POE, but improved none the less.
i would hope this would be the case considering they made quite a bit more than their original goal. nice to see them actually putting it back into the game and not into the quick development of some money-making release.
Reading the comments on other websites that people say about DOS made me realize a good amount of people get really lost and frustrated without some sort of basic guide/arrow/etc giving them an obvious hint or straight up telling them where to go all the time. They really suck at the game. Seems they also oppose different tones of dialogue and if it isn't considered serious or grimdark, then it's bad writing. I thought it had a good mix of all tones with the humor never being a focus point.
i had to point out that you can leave txt\notes on the map to a few people. i really hope the Enhanced version doesn't add map markers and points not included in original because people though it was too "hard" to use this feature..
i had to point out that you can leave txt\notes on the map to a few people. i really hope the Enhanced version doesn't add map markers and points not included in original because people though it was too "hard" to use this feature..
Sounds like pointless busywork. If you can mark anything you like on the map, why shouldn't the game just do so automatically?
so, Enhanced means "dumbed down"?
One of the main complaints was that lack of story and dialogue. The developer admitted it was inspired by ultima, but people constantly compared it to balders gate. Given it's getting more story elements, enhanced party members and new area's, it will probably be improved, I doubt nowhere near the level of POE, but improved none the less.
I actually much prefer Divinity to POE even in its current form. POE has better (written) dialogue and a much better story but the voice-overs were just terrible, cringeworthy and Divinity has vastly superior combat.
so, Enhanced means "dumbed down"?
One of the main complaints was that lack of story and dialogue. The developer admitted it was inspired by ultima, but people constantly compared it to balders gate. Given it's getting more story elements, enhanced party members and new area's, it will probably be improved, I doubt nowhere near the level of POE, but improved none the less.
I actually much prefer Divinity to POE even in its current form. POE has better (written) dialogue and a much better story but the voice-overs were just terrible, cringeworthy and Divinity has vastly superior combat.
POE has almost no voice acting, it uses descriptive narrative to tell it's story. It also isn't primarily a combat focus game, it allows multiple methods of completing quests while Divinity is more of a dungeon crawler.
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