Do you consider the Wii U a next gen console?

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Hermits overexaggerate, PC graphics are only slightly better at best.

ShadowMoses900

Crysis 2: PS3 vs Xbox 360 vs PC - Console Comparison IGN

As you can see, barely any difference. Looks the same to me.

GPU ad CPU details were finally described the other day. it's use a 3 cord cpu much like the 360 and the gpu ended up being 5-10% faster than a current gen console.....


so no I don't consider the console next gen, but I consider the contoller to be.

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No. The Wii U is not next gen, it is only current gen soon to be last gen. I already explained this in the other Wii U thread. The Wii U is not next gen, proof? It's games don't look any better than the 360 or PS3, in fact they look worst. So much for the whole "the Wii U is more poweful" claim.

Only "proof" the other side gives is biased wikipedia articles that lists the Wii U as next gen, but that article was probably editited by Nintendo themselves or Nintendo fanboys. So it's unreliable.

emgesp

I would love to hear your thoughts on the next gen glimpse Phantom Pain that seemed to dissapoint quite a few people on SW as well as other gaming forums. With statements ranging from that doesn't look next gen to the Last of Us looked better.

We were told we would have a next gen glimpse at the VGA's. Unless you think that Dark Souls 2 trailer was in game then Phantom Pain is the only thing that fits the bill.

Is Nintendo's next gen console, is it really that hard to understand? :S

No. The Wii U is not next gen, it is only current gen soon to be last gen. I already explained this in the other Wii U thread. The Wii U is not next gen, proof? It's games don't look any better than the 360 or PS3, in fact they look worst. So much for the whole "the Wii U is more poweful" claim.

Only "proof" the other side gives is biased wikipedia articles that lists the Wii U as next gen, but that article was probably editited by Nintendo themselves or Nintendo fanboys. So it's unreliable.

ShadowMoses900

more ram-check

new hardware-(general processing unit ggpu) also newer processor and sound cards . check!

hdmi cable included at no extra charge-check

-wifi out of the box-check

-bc w all previous gen titles -check

compared to wii its a massive upgrade-check

compared to 360 and ps3 that upgrade is only 2x check .and thats all it needs to be right now it dont look it thats because it was handed ports

it was not optimized handled right .

no system launches with system "choking visuals"

n64 didnt

ps2 didnt show anything much more better then late n64 titles ,

gc at launch also didnt show any better then utopia viauals that didnt happen until late in the gen

nor did xbox in fact xbox was cut short

xbox360 also did not start pumping any wowing titles until 06-07 1 yr after launch . -the best looking game looked as good as xboxs later games eg burnout revenge . nfs mw ts future perfect , id say pd0 looked the best but it did not have the gameplay or value down at all so ,

and wii showed us master peices like super mario galaxy 2/skyward sward and goldeneye007

so dont hold your breath yet we havent even seen wiius full potential as you already know not just from me but from other sources wiiu has more ram

Honestly?

[spoiler] No. [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No. The Wii U is not next gen, it is only current gen soon to be last gen. I already explained this in the other Wii U thread. The Wii U is not next gen, proof? It's games don't look any better than the 360 or PS3, in fact they look worst. So much for the whole "the Wii U is more poweful" claim.

Only "proof" the other side gives is biased wikipedia articles that lists the Wii U as next gen, but that article was probably editited by Nintendo themselves or Nintendo fanboys. So it's unreliable.

ugoo18

I would love to hear your thoughts on the next gen glimpse Phantom Pain that seemed to dissapoint quite a few people on SW as well as other gaming forums. With statements ranging from that doesn't look next gen to the Last of Us looked better.

I'll look the trailer up on Youtube, if it looks better than The Last of Us by a good deal I will amdit I was wrong and the Wii U is truy a next gen system.

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No. The Wii U is not next gen, it is only current gen soon to be last gen. I already explained this in the other Wii U thread. The Wii U is not next gen, proof? It's games don't look any better than the 360 or PS3, in fact they look worst. So much for the whole "the Wii U is more poweful" claim.

Only "proof" the other side gives is biased wikipedia articles that lists the Wii U as next gen, but that article was probably editited by Nintendo themselves or Nintendo fanboys. So it's unreliable.

ShadowMoses900

I would love to hear your thoughts on the next gen glimpse Phantom Pain that seemed to dissapoint quite a few people on SW as well as other gaming forums. With statements ranging from that doesn't look next gen to the Last of Us looked better.

I'll look the trailer up on Youtube, if it looks better than The Last of Us by a good deal I will amdit I was wrong and the Wii U is truy a next gen system.

Here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1ZQ5XBCmzs

Topics like these should be a suspend-able offense and closed.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Hermits overexaggerate, PC graphics are only slightly better at best.

ShadowMoses900

Crysis 2: PS3 vs Xbox 360 vs PC - Console Comparison IGN

As you can see, barely any difference. Looks the same to me.

Technically it's a next gen console but it feels like and out dated piece of s***

[QUOTE="painguy1"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Technological generations are all about advancement. Google search next gen tv's and notice that it's all about more advanced hardware.Cranler

So you do admit that WiiU is nextgen? As far as I know there isn't a consumer device on the market that runs HQ video over a 5ghz wireless band with latency less than 1/60 of a seond other than the WiiU. Sounds like new tech to me :?

There is more to image quality than resolution. You can have a 1080p image, but its bitrate could be insanley low like .2mb/s. The WiiU's output looks practically uncompressed give or take a few artifacts in select situations. I could think of several practical application of the gamepad tech in places like the military, the movie industry, and medical industry. If anything game centric tech advancements are useless since its only practical application is in video games. By your logic WiiU is a next gen system. Maybe you should consider rephrasing your statement if you dont like the sound of that.

Yes. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional.

Yeah sure it's next gen, but it sure as hell doesn't feel like it

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

I would love to hear your thoughts on the next gen glimpse Phantom Pain that seemed to dissapoint quite a few people on SW as well as other gaming forums. With statements ranging from that doesn't look next gen to the Last of Us looked better.

ugoo18

I'll look the trailer up on Youtube, if it looks better than The Last of Us by a good deal I will amdit I was wrong and the Wii U is truy a next gen system.

Here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1ZQ5XBCmzs

It doesn't have better grahics than The Last of Us, it looks current gen to me. But I like it's setting, you wake up knowing nothing that happened to you and it looks like you have to survive against something creepy.

It does look good, but not next gen good by any means.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] Wondering why Crysis has been the graphic kin for so longGamingVengeance

Crysis 2: PS3 vs Xbox 360 vs PC - Console Comparison IGN

As you can see, barely any difference. Looks the same to me.

I have played some games on my friends PC, I don't know his specs but he tells me he can max out games like Crysis etc.....with certain mods the doo look better than the console version like he has this cry mod for Oblivion (or something like that) and it looks way better than console version.

But without mods I don't really see a difference, I played MW3 on PC and it looked the same as my PS3 version. Same goes for Fallout and Oblivion (vanilla).

GPU ad CPU details were finally described the other day. it's use a 3 cord cpu much like the 360 and the gpu ended up being 5-10% faster than a current gen console.....


so no I don't consider the console next gen, but I consider the contoller to be.

Bishop1310

by the logic of the 16 people who voted no if you are weaker then your father that means your dad is a gen ahead of you there for you are your own grandpa.

Yes. Undoubtedly. I am confused by the question. It factually is a next generation console.

Might as well have asked, "Do you think 2 + 2 = 4?"

No I do not consider the Wii U to be next gen. It doesn't have the power for me to consider it next gen and after the Wii, I stopping caring about release dates. NB4 ass hurt sheep quotes me to cry like a b!tch about my opinion.AmazonTreeBoa

I posted this in another thread, but I think I meant to do so here. [QUOTE="Heirren"]A generation, IMO, deals with the software. Now, being a Nintendo fan, I hate to say it but perhaps Wiiu is not a next gen console. I'm reading comparison after comparison at Eurogamer and the wiiu rarely even comes up on top. The wiiu version of Darksiders2 is the worste version of the game. I understand these are quick ports, but by the time a wiiu catered 3rd party game arrives, the other consoles will be around the corner. It's apparent that the console needs its own attention, but I simply don't see 3rd parties abandoning the 360/ps3 as the dedicated formate, and quickly porting to the wiiu. 3rd parties have the bonus of dlc on the ps3/360--this is a huge perk. Is Madden going to get an optimized wiiu version? Doubt it. Nba2k? Doubt it. So, let's say the ms/Sony consoles are immensely more powerful. Say, to the point where the engine won't run on wiiu, or must be extremely scaled back. If wiiu has to run the current madden engine, next gen, similar to the way madden was still being made for the ps2 with the old engine, doesn't that make wiiu a last gen console? ...does sole Nintendo support count? I think of wiiu as more of a Dreamcast, 3do, etc--not quality wise, but moreso how these consoles really didn't fit into a generation.Heirren

judging a console gen based on software is just as bad as judging it on hardware. You run into the same problems. First of all, look at previous console gens. Not all of them shared the same software. N64 and PSone software differred radically and they hardly shared any multiplats. Same for xbox vs ps2. Second, what consistutes an upgrade? Wiisports was an experience that simply was not available in the 6th generation of softare. For us to say that motion sensing is irrelevant and graphics is relevant is cherry picking. Who are we to decide?

Bottom line is that anyone who tries to make a generation change into any kind of value judgement runs into so many problems. You have to go back and re write the entire history of consoles. Why would we want to do this? The 360, ps3, and wii sat next to each other in game stores for the bulk of their existences. That should be the criteria. Those consoles were constantly debated and compared with each other between normal people and even this forum.

You know what I think? I think people who just don't like Nintendo are just looking for the next way to insult them. Calling the wiiu 7th gen is done with smirk and it's all trollish nonsense.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]I posted this in another thread, but I think I meant to do so here. [QUOTE="Heirren"]A generation, IMO, deals with the software. Now, being a Nintendo fan, I hate to say it but perhaps Wiiu is not a next gen console. I'm reading comparison after comparison at Eurogamer and the wiiu rarely even comes up on top. The wiiu version of Darksiders2 is the worste version of the game. I understand these are quick ports, but by the time a wiiu catered 3rd party game arrives, the other consoles will be around the corner. It's apparent that the console needs its own attention, but I simply don't see 3rd parties abandoning the 360/ps3 as the dedicated formate, and quickly porting to the wiiu. 3rd parties have the bonus of dlc on the ps3/360--this is a huge perk. Is Madden going to get an optimized wiiu version? Doubt it. Nba2k? Doubt it. So, let's say the ms/Sony consoles are immensely more powerful. Say, to the point where the engine won't run on wiiu, or must be extremely scaled back. If wiiu has to run the current madden engine, next gen, similar to the way madden was still being made for the ps2 with the old engine, doesn't that make wiiu a last gen console? ...does sole Nintendo support count? I think of wiiu as more of a Dreamcast, 3do, etc--not quality wise, but moreso how these consoles really didn't fit into a generation.GunSmith1_basic

judging a console gen based on software is just as bad as judging it on hardware. You run into the same problems. First of all, look at previous console gens. Not all of them shared the same software. N64 and PSone software differred radically and they hardly shared any multiplats. Same for xbox vs ps2. Second, what consistutes an upgrade? Wiisports was an experience that simply was not available in the 6th generation of softare. For us to say that motion sensing is irrelevant and graphics is relevant is cherry picking. Who are we to decide?

Bottom line is that anyone who tries to make a generation change into any kind of value judgement runs into so many problems. You have to go back and re write the entire history of consoles. Why would we want to do this? The 360, ps3, and wii sat next to each other in game stores for the bulk of their existences. That should be the criteria. Those consoles were constantly debated and compared with each other between normal people and even this forum.

You know what I think? I think people who just don't like Nintendo are just looking for the next way to insult them. Calling the wiiu 7th gen is done with smirk and it's all trollish nonsense.

Next Gen isn't based on power it's based on chronological order. This isn't up for discussion you ding bats

I never really said i sided with what I said. I was simply throwing the questions out there. I can understands where people are coming from--even if it is a bit too early to judge.Heirren

Here's another thing: we recently had threads where people were asking "who won system wars." The main fight was for second place, between the ps3 and 360. There were people though, who didn't consider the wii a console in this gen so it was a fight for first place. I would ask why NOBODY said that you can't say who won because the wiiu's life isn't done yet. If we really wanted the final tally, we would have to wait for the wiiu's numbers. Same for wii. Nobody compares the numbers of last gen as PS2-Wii-GC-Xbox.

That alone should show how little rationality comes from the other side of this argument. It's only about bashing Nintendo. That's 100% it.

I don't mean to pick on you btw, (or Shadowmoses for that matter). I'm preaching on my soapbox here.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]I never really said i sided with what I said. I was simply throwing the questions out there. I can understands where people are coming from--even if it is a bit too early to judge.GunSmith1_basic

Here's another thing: we recently had threads where people were asking "who won system wars." The main fight was for second place, between the ps3 and 360. There were people though, who didn't consider the wii a console in this gen so it was a fight for first place. I would ask why NOBODY said that you can't say who won because the wiiu's life isn't done yet. If we really wanted the final tally, we would have to wait for the wiiu's numbers. Same for wii. Nobody compares the numbers of last gen as PS2-Wii-GC-Xbox.

That alone should show how little rationality comes from the other side of this argument. It's only about bashing Nintendo. That's 100% it.

I don't mean to pick on you btw, (or Shadowmoses for that matter). I'm preaching on my soapbox here.

[QUOTE="GamingVengeance"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Crysis 2: PS3 vs Xbox 360 vs PC - Console Comparison IGN

As you can see, barely any difference. Looks the same to me.

ShadowMoses900

I have played some games on my friends PC, I don't know his specs but he tells me he can max out games like Crysis etc.....with certain mods the doo look better than the console version like he has this cry mod for Oblivion (or something like that) and it looks way better than console version.

But without mods I don't really see a difference, I played MW3 on PC and it looked the same as my PS3 version. Same goes for Fallout and Oblivion (vanilla).

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No. The Wii U is not next gen, it is only current gen soon to be last gen. I already explained this in the other Wii U thread. The Wii U is not next gen, proof? It's games don't look any better than the 360 or PS3, in fact they look worst. So much for the whole "the Wii U is more poweful" claim.

Only "proof" the other side gives is biased wikipedia articles that lists the Wii U as next gen, but that article was probably editited by Nintendo themselves or Nintendo fanboys. So it's unreliable.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No. The Wii U is not next gen, it is only current gen soon to be last gen. I already explained this in the other Wii U thread. The Wii U is not next gen, proof? It's games don't look any better than the 360 or PS3, in fact they look worst. So much for the whole "the Wii U is more poweful" claim.

Only "proof" the other side gives is biased wikipedia articles that lists the Wii U as next gen, but that article was probably editited by Nintendo themselves or Nintendo fanboys. So it's unreliable.

MaskedPlayer

I am replying to you just for the heck of it.

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]I never really said i sided with what I said. I was simply throwing the questions out there. I can understands where people are coming from--even if it is a bit too early to judge.Heirren

Here's another thing: we recently had threads where people were asking "who won system wars." The main fight was for second place, between the ps3 and 360. There were people though, who didn't consider the wii a console in this gen so it was a fight for first place. I would ask why NOBODY said that you can't say who won because the wiiu's life isn't done yet. If we really wanted the final tally, we would have to wait for the wiiu's numbers. Same for wii. Nobody compares the numbers of last gen as PS2-Wii-GC-Xbox.

That alone should show how little rationality comes from the other side of this argument. It's only about bashing Nintendo. That's 100% it.

I don't mean to pick on you btw, (or Shadowmoses for that matter). I'm preaching on my soapbox here.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"]No I do not consider the Wii U to be next gen. It doesn't have the power for me to consider it next gen and after the Wii, I stopping caring about release dates. NB4 ass hurt sheep quotes me to cry like a b!tch about my opinion.bonesawisready5

There is no consider, it is a next gen console. Gens are dictated by time of release, not power.

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"] that's fair, but it's just that we had already decided this issue. I literally do not see the other side's point at all. If we hate the wiiu's graphics, then criticize the graphics. Leave the gen labels alone. It's just confusing.

Here's another thing: we recently had threads where people were asking "who won system wars." The main fight was for second place, between the ps3 and 360. There were people though, who didn't consider the wii a console in this gen so it was a fight for first place. I would ask why NOBODY said that you can't say who won because the wiiu's life isn't done yet. If we really wanted the final tally, we would have to wait for the wiiu's numbers. Same for wii. Nobody compares the numbers of last gen as PS2-Wii-GC-Xbox.

That alone should show how little rationality comes from the other side of this argument. It's only about bashing Nintendo. That's 100% it.

I don't mean to pick on you btw, (or Shadowmoses for that matter). I'm preaching on my soapbox here.

GunSmith1_basic

Current gen games with menus manipulated on the controller's touchscreen is not my idea of next gen.

[QUOTE="funsohng"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

How so?

The PS3 is current gen along with 360 and Wii U. They all have around the same amount of power, last gen was Wii, PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube.

Hermits overexaggerate, PC graphics are only slightly better at best.

[QUOTE="GamingVengeance"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Crysis 2: PS3 vs Xbox 360 vs PC - Console Comparison IGN

As you can see, barely any difference. Looks the same to me.

ShadowMoses900

I have played some games on my friends PC, I don't know his specs but he tells me he can max out games like Crysis etc.....with certain mods the doo look better than the console version like he has this cry mod for Oblivion (or something like that) and it looks way better than console version.

But without mods I don't really see a difference, I played MW3 on PC and it looked the same as my PS3 version. Same goes for Fallout and Oblivion (vanilla).

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Hermits overexaggerate, PC graphics are only slightly better at best.

ShadowMoses900

Crysis 2: PS3 vs Xbox 360 vs PC - Console Comparison IGN

As you can see, barely any difference. Looks the same to me.

LOL, there's a reason why people buys 1080p blu-ray capable players/display instead of 720p player/display.

No. The Wii U is not next gen, it is only current gen soon to be last gen. I already explained this in the other Wii U thread. The Wii U is not next gen, proof? It's games don't look any better than the 360 or PS3, in fact they look worst. So much for the whole "the Wii U is more poweful" claim.

Only "proof" the other side gives is biased wikipedia articles that lists the Wii U as next gen, but that article was probably editited by Nintendo themselves or Nintendo fanboys. So it's unreliable.

ShadowMoses900

The WiiU is stronger then the last gen consoles according to most devs. If you read into the tech of the console you could see that it may be at least 2X stronger then the last gen consoles, but that is not showing yet because devs have to get use to the hardware of the console.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No. The Wii U is not next gen, it is only current gen soon to be last gen. I already explained this in the other Wii U thread. The Wii U is not next gen, proof? It's games don't look any better than the 360 or PS3, in fact they look worst. So much for the whole "the Wii U is more poweful" claim.

Only "proof" the other side gives is biased wikipedia articles that lists the Wii U as next gen, but that article was probably editited by Nintendo themselves or Nintendo fanboys. So it's unreliable.

super600

The WiiU is stronger then the last gen consoles according to most devs. If you read into the tech of the console you could see that it may be at least 2X stronger then the last gen consoles, but that is not showing yet because devs have to get use to the hardware of the console.

by the logic of the 16 people who voted no if you are weaker then your father that means your dad is a gen ahead of you there for you are your own grandpa.

osirisx3

:lol::lol:

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

I would love to hear your thoughts on the next gen glimpse Phantom Pain that seemed to dissapoint quite a few people on SW as well as other gaming forums. With statements ranging from that doesn't look next gen to the Last of Us looked better.

ugoo18

I'll look the trailer up on Youtube, if it looks better than The Last of Us by a good deal I will amdit I was wrong and the Wii U is truy a next gen system.

Here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1ZQ5XBCmzs

That doesn't look that impressive. It looks like a current gen game.

Nope, its just a very, VERY late ps3/xbox.. it might be next gen to nintendo tho since they have for the first time ever using an HD console lol