Do you consider the Wii U a next gen console?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Objectiviely it is only a current gen console.psymon100

How exactly do you quantify this objectively?

Power. To me next gen is about a bigger jump in power, progress being made to the industry. Game and everyone else would consider a N64 being released now as next gen, they are lying to themselves if they think that is truly next gen.

They are arguing about a phrase, I am arguing about what next gen is really supposed to be about. Their only "proof" is a dumb wikipedia article, my proof is factual just by looking at the system it's self.

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Objectiviely it is only a current gen console.ShadowMoses900

How exactly do you quantify this objectively?

Power. To me next gen is about a bigger jump in power, progress being made to the industry. Game and everyone else would consider a N64 being released now as next gen, they are lying to themselves if they think that is truly next gen.

They are arguing about a phrase, I am arguing about what next gen is really supposed to be about. Their only "proof" is a dumb wikipedia article, my proof is factual just by looking at the system it's self.

Generations aren't defined by "power", otherwise PS2 would be "last gen" compared to Xbox and Gamecube. Generation isand always has beendefined by console model cycles.

From Sega Master System, to Genesis, to Saturn, to Dreamcast.
From PS1, to PS2, to PS3.
From Xbox to Xbox 360.
From NES, to SNES, to N64, to Gamecube, to Wii... and now to Wii U.

Each manufacturer releases their newest model system according to their own design targets. Systems in each of the same generations aren't always technically identical, but they each do generally improve within their brand line. Seriously Shadow, your damage control is getting beyond pathetic. You need counselling at this point.

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Objectiviely it is only a current gen console.ShadowMoses900

How exactly do you quantify this objectively?

Power. To me next gen is about a bigger jump in power, progress being made to the industry. Game and everyone else would consider a N64 being released now as next gen, they are lying to themselves if they think that is truly next gen.

They are arguing about a phrase, I am arguing about what next gen is really supposed to be about. Their only "proof" is a dumb wikipedia article, my proof is factual just by looking at the system it's self.

"To me"

Meaning subjectivity.

Meaning not objective.

Meaning it's not a fact.

You can think the Wii U isn't next gen if you want. That's fine. You're entitled to that opinion.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Wii U is a next generation console. Stop trying to argue your silly opinion as fact.

Objectiviely it is only a current gen console. There is nothing to prove that it is next gen other than biased wikipedia articles that anyone can edit. It is current gen soon to be last gen, this is the only onbjective truth there is.

No one is going to care about the Wii U when PS4 and the next Xbox come out.

ShadowMoses900

Have you found this yet?

Can you find a definition of the word "Generation" which specifically outlines a notable increase in processing power as the sole defining factor behind a generational leap?

lundy86_4

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

How exactly do you quantify this objectively?

The_Game21x

Power. To me next gen is about a bigger jump in power, progress being made to the industry. Game and everyone else would consider a N64 being released now as next gen, they are lying to themselves if they think that is truly next gen.

They are arguing about a phrase, I am arguing about what next gen is really supposed to be about. Their only "proof" is a dumb wikipedia article, my proof is factual just by looking at the system it's self.

"To me"

Meaning subjectivity.

Meaning not objective.

Meaning it's not a fact.

You can think the Wii U isn't next gen if you want. That's fine. You're entitled to that opinion.

But that doesn't change the fact that the Wii U is a next generation console. Stop trying to argue your silly opinion as fact.

If Wii U was truly next gen you would see it, we would all be going out there and buying it but we arn't. To some it's about time when the console is released, to others it's about power. Either way there is no real standard whether you want to admit it or not, the Wii U will never compete with the next gen consoles and that's the truth.

well the term "next gen" is a term coined to allow us to see the division between this gen and the next. nintendo has had 6 years to concot what they want their next gen offering to be and designed a console to represent them for years to come... in that sense, yes its next gen .

that said, i think that skimping on hardware will ultimately cost them when all parties hace released their own next gen console.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

How exactly do you quantify this objectively?

AdobeArtist

Power. To me next gen is about a bigger jump in power, progress being made to the industry. Game and everyone else would consider a N64 being released now as next gen, they are lying to themselves if they think that is truly next gen.

They are arguing about a phrase, I am arguing about what next gen is really supposed to be about. Their only "proof" is a dumb wikipedia article, my proof is factual just by looking at the system it's self.

Generations aren't defined by "power", otherwise PS2 would be "last gen" compared to Xbox and Gamecube. Generation isand always has beendefined by console model cycles.

From Sega Master System, to Genesis, to Saturn, to Dreamcast.
From PS1, to PS2, to PS3.
From Xbox to Xbox 360.
From NES, to SNES, to N64, to Gamecube, to Wii... and now to Wii U.

Each manufacturer releases their newest model system according to their own design targets. Systems in each of the same generations aren't always technically identical, but they each do generally improve within their brand line. Seriously Shadow, your damage control is getting beyond pathetic. You need counselling at this point.

What damage control? I will be buying a Wii U because I love Nintendo's 1st party. But I'm not going to lie to myself and say it's going to be able to compete with the next Xbox and PS4.

You guys are the one's who are doing the damage control here and need the counselling for trying to lie to yourself.

TC You need to inject your dumbass with a next-gen assbrain.

well the term "next gen" is a term coined to allow us to see the division between this gen and the next. nintendo has had 6 years to concot what they want their next gen offering to be and designed a console to represent them for years to come... in that sense, yes its next gen .

that said, i think that skimping on hardware will ultimately cost them when all parties hace released their own next gen console.

TheEroica

Yes this is what I have been trying to say, for Nintendo it might be considered the next gen for Nintendo systems. It is the next Nintendo console afterall, but people that talk about it being next gen with the other two systems are fooling themselves.

[QUOTE="Heirren"] I think you keep missing the point. I don't know what to make of the DSi--it's still on the market and still gets a lot of support. Nintendo seems to be distancing themselves from the traditional console framework a bit. You also didn't comment on the last part. I'd be curious as to how you'd answer that. What if we changed the story a bit and Sony/ms launched two years from now, with an 8 year proposed life cycle. Let's say wiiu sits next to the ps3/360 for two years. Then, when ms/Sony launch their next consoles, Nintendo sales stumble and they're forced to release another console two years after ms/Sony..LegatoSkyheart

I don't thnk you understood my answer here.

Should Nintendo Release something along the lines of a "DSi" for the WiiU, it's still going to be considered 8th Gen.

Just like how the 32X was for the Genesis and the Expansion Pack for the N64 (or the N64 Disc Drive).

These things made the console more powerful than they initially were. DSi opened the DS up to Digital Downloads of Games.

So you got games like Perfect Dark, Donkey Kong Country 64, Animal Crossing (japan) and Majora's Mask for the N64 Expansion Pack and Doom and Primal Rage and the like for the Sega 32X and Games like Cave Story and Shantae for the DSi.

But in the end they're still an N64, a Sega Genesis, and a DS.

So even if Nintendo decides to "Upgrade" the current WiiU, it's still going to be a WiiU.

Not a good one, but yes, it is next generation.

It is the next nintendo system so yes. Graphics are and power are not the things that determine next gen. Next gen is defined as the ones that follow. Sometimes I wonder do you all care for games are do you all just like to play video game class/race warfare where people who like to play on Nintendo consoles and games are on the bottom barrel on gaming. We are all gamers here. Doing what most still consider as nerdy antisocial things. So can we just be united for once and enjoy games and not just degrade them.WllDan7

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

well the term "next gen" is a term coined to allow us to see the division between this gen and the next. nintendo has had 6 years to concot what they want their next gen offering to be and designed a console to represent them for years to come... in that sense, yes its next gen .

that said, i think that skimping on hardware will ultimately cost them when all parties hace released their own next gen console.

ShadowMoses900

Yes this is what I have been trying to say, for Nintendo it might be considered the next gen for Nintendo systems. It is the next Nintendo console afterall, but people that talk about it being next gen with the other two systems are fooling themselves.

The question of whether or not it's a next-gen console is moot, it's clearly Nintendo's follow-up to the Wii. What's more important is to examine if whether or not it's lack of horsepower and it's general confused self is interesting or not, and whether or not we should care about it.musicalmac

Next gen for Nintendo and next gen for the industry arent the same thing.Cranler

TC You need to inject your dumbass with a next-gen assbrain.

HAZE-Unit

[QUOTE="TheEroica"]

well the term "next gen" is a term coined to allow us to see the division between this gen and the next. nintendo has had 6 years to concot what they want their next gen offering to be and designed a console to represent them for years to come... in that sense, yes its next gen .

that said, i think that skimping on hardware will ultimately cost them when all parties hace released their own next gen console.

ShadowMoses900

Yes this is what I have been trying to say, for Nintendo it might be considered the next gen for Nintendo systems. It is the next Nintendo console afterall, but people that talk about it being next gen with the other two systems are fooling themselves.

You're confusing the subjective quality of the product, with the objective production model of the product. The fact that this is the new system Nintendo released to replace the Wii (just as PS2 replaced PS1 and Dreamcast replaced Saturn for Sega) makes this a next gen console.

Consoles in the same generation don't have to be "identicle" to be in the same generation. That is left to the quality/power debate in comparing the most current release models of the given companies that are competing on the market within the same time frame.

[QUOTE="Cranler"]Next gen for Nintendo and next gen for the industry arent the same thing.musicalmac

Not sure if serious.Cranler

[QUOTE="Cranler"]Not sure if serious.musicalmac

Yes its a next gen console but it doesn't change the fact that the Wii U is a mish mash of unimpressive hardware and lame gimmicks with a chunk of last gen games in the mix

Yes its a next gen console but it doesn't change the fact that the Wii U is a mish mash of unimpressive hardware and lame gimmicks with a chunk of last gen games in the mix

Mcspanky37

Lol this discussion is always f*cking dumb.

If we were to determine how "next-gen" a system is by how powerful it's graphics and processing are, then consoles would always be "last gen" in comparison to the PC. This would make cows and lemmings trying to bash the Wii or Wii U for being "last gen" look stupid since they too would be playing on "last gen" consoles, and if they really gave a sh*t about how "next-gen" a system is, they shouldn't be playing on a PS3 or 360 in the first place and instead playing on a PC.

But in reality generations are determined by time, not power. Even looking at the definition of the word tells this, which just makes people trying to use "next-gen" as a bashing point look even more pants on head stupid.

Lol Shadow.

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]Objectiviely it is only a current gen console.ShadowMoses900

How exactly do you quantify this objectively?

Power. To me next gen is about a bigger jump in power, progress being made to the industry. Game and everyone else would consider a N64 being released now as next gen, they are lying to themselves if they think that is truly next gen.

They are arguing about a phrase, I am arguing about what next gen is really supposed to be about. Their only "proof" is a dumb wikipedia article, my proof is factual just by looking at the system it's self.

How exactly do you quantify each system's power?

once the ps4/xbox3 get unveiled we will see just how last gen the wii u is.....and im guessing the ps4/xbox3 will make the wiiu look ancient

Lol this discussion is always f*cking dumb.

If we were to determine how "next-gen" a system is by how powerful it's graphics and processing are, then consoles would always be "last gen" in comparison to the PC. This would make cows and lemmings trying to bash the Wii or Wii U for being "last gen" look stupid since they too would be playing on "last gen" consoles, and if they really gave a sh*t about how "next-gen" a system is, they shouldn't be playing on a PS3 or 360 in the first place and instead playing on a PC.

But in reality generations are determined by time, not power. Even looking at the definition of the word tells this, which just makes people trying to use "next-gen" as a bashing point look even more pants on head stupid.

DJ-Lafleur

The pc comparison is what's dumb. Looks even worse for a so called next gen console to not have dx11 which has been on pc for 3 years now.

From Cambridge dictionary:

next-generation adjective [before noun]

Definition

used to describe a product that has been developed using the latest technology and will probably replace an existing product

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/business-english/next-generation

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

How exactly do you quantify this objectively?

psymon100

Power. To me next gen is about a bigger jump in power, progress being made to the industry. Game and everyone else would consider a N64 being released now as next gen, they are lying to themselves if they think that is truly next gen.

They are arguing about a phrase, I am arguing about what next gen is really supposed to be about. Their only "proof" is a dumb wikipedia article, my proof is factual just by looking at the system it's self.

How exactly do you quantify each system's power?

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You're right, I don't get it. I don't understand how someone can call a system next gen if it only has the same power as current gen.

ShadowMoses900

The Wii U versions of AC3 and BO2 look the same as the 360 and PS3 versions. And AC3 already is 720p on 360 and PS3, and Black Ops 2 is 1080p on PS3 and 360.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The Wii U versions of AC3 and BO2 look the same as the 360 and PS3 versions. And AC3 already is 720p on 360 and PS3, and Black Ops 2 is 1080p on PS3 and 360.

ShadowMoses900

:lol:

It's true. I have the PS3 version of Black Ops 2 and it says 1080P. Both the box and my TV says it.

The console's limit of graphical fidelity is absolutely irrelevant. It's the Wii's successor so of course it's next gen.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"] I didn't know the 360 could produce visuals line Assassin's Creed III or Black Ops 2 in 720p with all three cores clocked down to 1.2Ghz. I didn't know the 360 had 2GB of system RAM, 32MB eDRAM either. (Or a separate Audio processor which has taken up an entire core in the past on 360 games)bonesawisready5

The Wii U versions of AC3 and BO2 look the same as the 360 and PS3 versions. And AC3 already is 720p on 360 and PS3, and Black Ops 2 is 1080p on PS3 and 360.

Yes, it is a next gen device despite some blind fanboys like Shadowmoses try to deny. Miroku32

at this point it is impossible to get any doubter to move even an inch no matter what arguments they hear. They don't answer perfectly rational questions and they don't pose rational questions either. The is more about pride at this point than it is about real arguments. So eff it. Let them say that the wiiU is 7th gen, the psone was 4th gen, and the xbox1 was 6.5th gen. Whatever. Personally I find all that confusing, and I like the simplicity of what we were doing before, but like I said, what a small faction of forum-dwellers want to label things is not my concern.

All reputable people in the industry will continue to call the wiiu an 8th generation device, which is evident in every piece of professional journalism on the games industry, and this consensus has culminated in places like Wikipedia, a site which the doubters claim is a sesspool of misinformation, seemingly taken over by the nintendo fanboys. That's a confusing reality to live in, but as long as I'm not the one screaming at the wind I suppose it shouldn't bother me.

The console's limit of graphical fidelity is absolutely irrelevant. It's the Wii's successor so of course it's next gen.

Grovilis

Joke thread ?

How can 5 years old powered hardware be "next gen"

This is years behind the top today and huge steps back in everything, it is 7+ years old last gen, with a terrible controller too

[QUOTE="Grovilis"]

The console's limit of graphical fidelity is absolutely irrelevant. It's the Wii's successor so of course it's next gen.

Cranler

why do you feel the need to keep jumping at people with such a ridiculous strawman?

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

Lol this discussion is always f*cking dumb.

If we were to determine how "next-gen" a system is by how powerful it's graphics and processing are, then consoles would always be "last gen" in comparison to the PC. This would make cows and lemmings trying to bash the Wii or Wii U for being "last gen" look stupid since they too would be playing on "last gen" consoles, and if they really gave a sh*t about how "next-gen" a system is, they shouldn't be playing on a PS3 or 360 in the first place and instead playing on a PC.

But in reality generations are determined by time, not power. Even looking at the definition of the word tells this, which just makes people trying to use "next-gen" as a bashing point look even more pants on head stupid.

Cranler

The pc comparison is what's dumb. Looks even worse for a so called next gen console to not have dx11 which has been on pc for 3 years now.

From Cambridge dictionary:

next-generation adjective [before noun]

Definition

used to describe a product that has been developed using the latest technology and will probably replace an existing product

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/business-english/next-generation

The WiiU is a replacement of an existing the product (the Wii obviously), so it still is a next gen system. And time I think is a more important factor in determining what makes a gaming system "next gen", because if we went ONLY by power then really the only "next gen" system would always be a PC.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="Grovilis"]

The console's limit of graphical fidelity is absolutely irrelevant. It's the Wii's successor so of course it's next gen.

MSXBOX4EVER

why do you feel the need to keep jumping at people with such a ridiculous strawman?

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

Lol this discussion is always f*cking dumb.

If we were to determine how "next-gen" a system is by how powerful it's graphics and processing are, then consoles would always be "last gen" in comparison to the PC. This would make cows and lemmings trying to bash the Wii or Wii U for being "last gen" look stupid since they too would be playing on "last gen" consoles, and if they really gave a sh*t about how "next-gen" a system is, they shouldn't be playing on a PS3 or 360 in the first place and instead playing on a PC.

But in reality generations are determined by time, not power. Even looking at the definition of the word tells this, which just makes people trying to use "next-gen" as a bashing point look even more pants on head stupid.

DJ-Lafleur

The pc comparison is what's dumb. Looks even worse for a so called next gen console to not have dx11 which has been on pc for 3 years now.

From Cambridge dictionary:

next-generation adjective [before noun]

Definition

used to describe a product that has been developed using the latest technology and will probably replace an existing product

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/business-english/next-generation

The WiiU is a replacement of an existing the product (the Wii obviously), so it still is a next gen system. And time I think is a more important factor in determining what makes a gaming system "next gen", because if we went ONLY by power then really the only "next gen" system would always be a PC.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The Wii U versions of AC3 and BO2 look the same as the 360 and PS3 versions. And AC3 already is 720p on 360 and PS3, and Black Ops 2 is 1080p on PS3 and 360.

Cranler

Joke thread ?

How can 5 years old powered hardware be "next gen"

This is years behind the top today and huge steps back in everything, it is 7+ years old last gen, with a terrible controller too

loosingENDS

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Joke thread ?

How can 5 years old powered hardware be "next gen"

This is years behind the top today and huge steps back in everything, it is 7+ years old last gen, with a terrible controller too

bonesawisready5

Can't believe you took the bait.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Joke thread ?

How can 5 years old powered hardware be "next gen"

This is years behind the top today and huge steps back in everything, it is 7+ years old last gen, with a terrible controller too

LegatoSkyheart

Can't believe you took the bait.

YESSSS, it looks much better then 360 and the ps3 imo. I'm sure that 90% of the people saying no are the ones who don't own one, or haven't played enough games on it. The things a wii u can do is just awesome.

YESSSS, it looks much better then 360 and the ps3 imo. I'm sure that 90% of the people saying no are the ones who don't own one, or haven't played enough games on it. The things a wii u can do is just awesome.

speedfog