Do you consider the Wii U a next gen console?

YESSSS, it looks much better then 360 and the ps3 imo. I'm sure that 90% of the people saying no are the ones who don't own one, or haven't played enough games on it. The things a wii u can do is just awesome.

speedfog

[QUOTE="MSXBOX4EVER"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] So a new 1080p 2013 tv thats adds some useless feature is a next gen tv then?Cranler

why do you feel the need to keep jumping at people with such a ridiculous strawman?

YESSSS, it looks much better then 360 and the ps3 imo. I'm sure that 90% of the people saying no are the ones who don't own one, or haven't played enough games on it. The things a wii u can do is just awesome.

speedfog

wiiuniversity is a LAST GEN console at today's price.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="MSXBOX4EVER"]

why do you feel the need to keep jumping at people with such a ridiculous strawman?

Heirren

It isn't a next gen console though is it as it can barely play current games at decent frame rates developers have even come out saying how crap the tech is.

It isn't a next gen console though is it as it can barely play current games at decent frame rates developers have even come out saying how crap the tech is.

chickfornick

speaking out of experience.

Assassin's Creed 3 and COD BLOPS2 do not play any more differently than the other console counter parts.

btw CODBLOPS2 on WiiU has 0 screentears.

[QUOTE="chickfornick"]

It isn't a next gen console though is it as it can barely play current games at decent frame rates developers have even come out saying how crap the tech is.

LegatoSkyheart

speaking out of experience.

Assassin's Creed 3 and COD BLOPS2 do not play any more differently than the other console counter parts.

btw CODBLOPS2 on WiiU has 0 screentears.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="chickfornick"]

It isn't a next gen console though is it as it can barely play current games at decent frame rates developers have even come out saying how crap the tech is.

Cranler

speaking out of experience.

Assassin's Creed 3 and COD BLOPS2 do not play any more differently than the other console counter parts.

btw CODBLOPS2 on WiiU has 0 screentears.

Really? I was playing it last night with my girlfriend and we got into a game very quickly. Once in there, we did just fine.

Saying it has 0 players ... man I can just feel the hate through the internet.

Yes, but graphically it is two gens back.

Yes, but graphically it is two gens back.

Fizzman

don't let the lems and cows hear you, they think they're only 1 gen behind PC.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Yes, but graphically it is two gens back.

LegatoSkyheart

don't let the lems and cows hear you, they think they're only 1 gen behind PC.

Lems and cows live in their own world. The fact that we see graphics king threads with games like Uncharted and Gears of War is hilarious.

Doesn't the WiiU use some dx11 features?

Yes, but graphically it is two gens back.

Fizzman

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

speaking out of experience.

Assassin's Creed 3 and COD BLOPS2 do not play any more differently than the other console counter parts.

btw CODBLOPS2 on WiiU has 0 screentears.

psymon100

Really? I was playing it last night with my girlfriend and we got into a game very quickly. Once in there, we did just fine.

Saying it has 0 players ... man I can just feel the hate through the internet.

Doesn't the WiiU use some dx11 features?

super600

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/1903/AMD_Wii_U_GPU.html

If Wii U used directx, yes. There'll be another API for using the equivalent of DirectX 11 features.

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] It also has 0 s and d players.Cranler

Really? I was playing it last night with my girlfriend and we got into a game very quickly. Once in there, we did just fine.

Saying it has 0 players ... man I can just feel the hate through the internet.

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] It also has 0 s and d players.Cranler

Really? I was playing it last night with my girlfriend and we got into a game very quickly. Once in there, we did just fine.

Saying it has 0 players ... man I can just feel the hate through the internet.

An accusation of dishonesty?

Well all I did was tell the truth about my experience. If you choose to dismiss this, that's fine. I know what happened.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"][QUOTE="Cranler"] The difference between wiiu and ps360 is possibly smaller than the difference between xbox and ps2. Problem is that none of the games look much better than current console games. COD 2, Kameo, Perfect Dark and Comdemned were big jumps.Cranler

DX11.0 was revised to DX11.1 Level 11.1.

For example

Level 11.0 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 8 slots for pixel and compute shader e.g. NVIDIA Geforce 5x0 (Fermi), 6x0(Kelper), AMD Radeon HD Cypress/Cayman.

Level 11.1 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 64 slots for all shader types (i.e. domain, hull, vertex, geometry, pixel, compute) e.g. AMD Radeon HD 7730M to 7970 GE.

no

Yes. Doesn't matter that you don't think that. It's the start of the next generation. Period.LJS9502_basic

Uh, yeah. Even though I think there is nothing spectacular about it,it's still part of the eighth gen.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes. Doesn't matter that you don't think that. It's the start of the next generation. Period.freedomfreak

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="bonesawisready5"] Once again, your opinion. But my memories of King Kong, Tony Hawk and others say that a lot of 360 titles didn't look that much better than Xbox versions at launch either. So stop judging the Wii U by early games. Was COD2 the limit of the 360 in 2005? No. Was Perfect Dark? No. If that console can produce Black Ops 2, ACIII, GTA IV and many more with a mediocre CPU that just happens to be clocked high, only 10MB eDRAM and only 512MB RAM than I fail to see why a console with a CPU that can all of that at a lower clock speed (And btw is everyone forgetting that the Wii U's 1.24Ghz CPU clock speed wasn't discovered in Wii mode where it doesn't exactly go to it's max clock speed?), more RAM and more eDRAM and a better GPU is bad. Why do you acknowledge that Perfect Dark and COD2 weren't the limit for 360 but you seem to think Black Ops 2 is the limit for the Wii U? But this is just my opinion.ronvalencia

DX11.0 was revised to DX11.1 Level 11.1.

For example

Level 11.0 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 8 slots for pixel and compute shader e.g. NVIDIA Geforce 5x0 (Fermi), 6x0(Kelper), AMD Radeon HD Cypress/Cayman.

Level 11.1 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 64 slots for all shader types (i.e. domain, hull, vertex, geometry, pixel, compute) e.g. AMD Radeon HD 7730M to 7970 GE.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] How about some facts. Cod 2 was a 360 launch game. 720p, 60fps and dx9. That would be todays equivalent of dx11 1080p and 60fps. Actually that would be 2010's equivalent since dx11 has been around so long now. You needed a high end pc to run Cod 2 with dx9. A 6800gt gpu minimum to match the 360. Thats the equivalent of a GTX 670 today. Cranler

DX11.0 was revised to DX11.1 Level 11.1.

For example

Level 11.0 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 8 slots for pixel and compute shader e.g. NVIDIA Geforce 5x0 (Fermi), 6x0(Kelper), AMD Radeon HD Cypress/Cayman.

Level 11.1 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 64 slots for all shader types (i.e. domain, hull, vertex, geometry, pixel, compute) e.g. AMD Radeon HD 7730M to 7970 GE.

So? Power doesn't determine what is and what isn't next gen. Period.

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Yes. Doesn't matter that you don't think that. It's the start of the next generation. Period.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

Really? I was playing it last night with my girlfriend and we got into a game very quickly. Once in there, we did just fine.

Saying it has 0 players ... man I can just feel the hate through the internet.

psymon100

An accusation of dishonesty?

Well all I did was tell the truth about my experience. If you choose to dismiss this, that's fine. I know what happened.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

DX11.0 was revised to DX11.1 Level 11.1.

For example

Level 11.0 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 8 slots for pixel and compute shader e.g. NVIDIA Geforce 5x0 (Fermi), 6x0(Kelper), AMD Radeon HD Cypress/Cayman.

Level 11.1 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 64 slots for all shader types (i.e. domain, hull, vertex, geometry, pixel, compute) e.g. AMD Radeon HD 7730M to 7970 GE.

The_Game21x

So? Power doesn't determine what is and what isn't next gen. Period.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="bonesawisready5"] Once again, your opinion. But my memories of King Kong, Tony Hawk and others say that a lot of 360 titles didn't look that much better than Xbox versions at launch either. So stop judging the Wii U by early games. Was COD2 the limit of the 360 in 2005? No. Was Perfect Dark? No. If that console can produce Black Ops 2, ACIII, GTA IV and many more with a mediocre CPU that just happens to be clocked high, only 10MB eDRAM and only 512MB RAM than I fail to see why a console with a CPU that can all of that at a lower clock speed (And btw is everyone forgetting that the Wii U's 1.24Ghz CPU clock speed wasn't discovered in Wii mode where it doesn't exactly go to it's max clock speed?), more RAM and more eDRAM and a better GPU is bad. Why do you acknowledge that Perfect Dark and COD2 weren't the limit for 360 but you seem to think Black Ops 2 is the limit for the Wii U? But this is just my opinion.ronvalencia

DX11.0 was revised to DX11.1 Level 11.1.

For example

Level 11.0 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 8 slots for pixel and compute shader e.g. NVIDIA Geforce 5x0 (Fermi), 6x0(Kelper), AMD Radeon HD Cypress/Cayman.

Level 11.1 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 64 slots for all shader types (i.e. domain, hull, vertex, geometry, pixel, compute) e.g. AMD Radeon HD 7730M to 7970 GE.

They need to bring back voxels so that DirectX finaly dies and MS looses their monopoly over APIs...

[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"]Yeah really! You can make up whatever you want. According to this theirs about 1,000 people total playing Wiiu Black Ops 2 on average which is simply nowhere near enough for a good p2p experience. http://community.callofduty.com/message/413695978#413695978

Cranler

An accusation of dishonesty?

Well all I did was tell the truth about my experience. If you choose to dismiss this, that's fine. I know what happened.

Didn't click it.

I played last night. It was good.

Clicking a link today will have no bearing whatsoever regarding what happened last night.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] I dont care! Whats your point anyway? Back to the discussion, 360 launched with games that only a high end pc could run, Wiiu did not.Cranler

So? Power doesn't determine what is and what isn't next gen. Period.

And your sig has nothing to do with the videogame industry's definition of the phrase "next gen".

The Wii U is the latest generation home console released by Nintendo and will replace the outgoing Wii. It is a next generation console whether you like it or not. To even argue this just further demonstrates your ignorance on the subject.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] How about some facts. Cod 2 was a 360 launch game. 720p, 60fps and dx9. That would be todays equivalent of dx11 1080p and 60fps. Actually that would be 2010's equivalent since dx11 has been around so long now. You needed a high end pc to run Cod 2 with dx9. A 6800gt gpu minimum to match the 360. Thats the equivalent of a GTX 670 today. Cranler

DX11.0 was revised to DX11.1 Level 11.1.

For example

Level 11.0 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 8 slots for pixel and compute shader e.g. NVIDIA Geforce 5x0 (Fermi), 6x0(Kelper), AMD Radeon HD Cypress/Cayman.

Level 11.1 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 64 slots for all shader types (i.e. domain, hull, vertex, geometry, pixel, compute) e.g. AMD Radeon HD 7730M to 7970 GE.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] How about some facts. Cod 2 was a 360 launch game. 720p, 60fps and dx9. That would be todays equivalent of dx11 1080p and 60fps. Actually that would be 2010's equivalent since dx11 has been around so long now. You needed a high end pc to run Cod 2 with dx9. A 6800gt gpu minimum to match the 360. Thats the equivalent of a GTX 670 today. nameless12345

DX11.0 was revised to DX11.1 Level 11.1.

For example

Level 11.0 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 8 slots for pixel and compute shader e.g. NVIDIA Geforce 5x0 (Fermi), 6x0(Kelper), AMD Radeon HD Cypress/Cayman.

Level 11.1 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 64 slots for all shader types (i.e. domain, hull, vertex, geometry, pixel, compute) e.g. AMD Radeon HD 7730M to 7970 GE.

They need to bring back voxels so that DirectX finaly dies and MS looses their monopoly over APIs...

I don't just consider it a next gen console, I know it is. Anyone who thinks otherwise is *********

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Yes, but graphically it is two gens back.

LJS9502_basic

I want both. IDK how Nintendo has convinced it's flock that you can't have both. Heck, i am not even asking for good graphics, just better tha 2005 graphics and they cant even give me that, because apparently decent hardware makes good gameplay impossible.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

So? Power doesn't determine what is and what isn't next gen. Period.

The_Game21x

And your sig has nothing to do with the videogame industry's definition of the phrase "next gen".

The Wii U is the latest generation home console released by Nintendo and will replace the outgoing Wii. It is a next generation console whether you like it or not. To even argue this just further demonstrates your ignorance on the subject.

Yes. Doesn't matter that you don't think that. It's the start of the next generation. Period.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Yes it does. Read my sig, next gen is all about using the latest tech. 6760 gpu is not the latest tech. Not even close.Cranler

And your sig has nothing to do with the videogame industry's definition of the phrase "next gen".

The Wii U is the latest generation home console released by Nintendo and will replace the outgoing Wii. It is a next generation console whether you like it or not. To even argue this just further demonstrates your ignorance on the subject.

Okay, prove the video game industry follows your definition of the phrase next generation.

I'll bet you can't.

Oh, and I have a dictionary definition that contradicts yours, if you'd like to see it.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

DX11.0 was revised to DX11.1 Level 11.1.

For example

Level 11.0 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 8 slots for pixel and compute shader e.g. NVIDIA Geforce 5x0 (Fermi), 6x0(Kelper), AMD Radeon HD Cypress/Cayman.

Level 11.1 hardware can have UAVs(random read/write) with 64 slots for all shader types (i.e. domain, hull, vertex, geometry, pixel, compute) e.g. AMD Radeon HD 7730M to 7970 GE.

ronvalencia

I love the desperation here. People spent all gen trying to marginalize the Wii so they could say "oh its a different market, different standards, blah, blah, blah" so they wouldn't have to acknowledge the killer sales and scores. Now they're trying so hard to get an early jump on the Wii U lol.

[QUOTE="Cranler"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

And your sig has nothing to do with the videogame industry's definition of the phrase "next gen".

The Wii U is the latest generation home console released by Nintendo and will replace the outgoing Wii. It is a next generation console whether you like it or not. To even argue this just further demonstrates your ignorance on the subject.

The_Game21x

Okay, prove the video game industry follows your definition of the phrase next generation.

I'll bet you can't.

Oh, and I have a dictionary definition that contradicts yours, if you'd like to see it.

I love the desperation here. People spent all gen trying to marginalize the Wii so they could say "oh its a different market, different standards, blah, blah, blah" so they wouldn't have to acknowledge the killer sales and scores. Now they're trying so hard to get an early jump on the Wii U lol.

sandbox3d

Exactly what I was thinking lol.

It's sad.

Just take the b*tchslap Nintendo gave and move on.

I love the desperation here. People spent all gen trying to marginalize the Wii so they could say "oh its a different market, different standards, blah, blah, blah" so they wouldn't have to acknowledge the killer sales and scores. Now they're trying so hard to get an early jump on the Wii U lol.

sandbox3d

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Cranler"] Next gen for Nintendo but not for the industry. Next gen for the industry begins when the 720 releases.Cranler

Okay, prove the video game industry follows your definition of the phrase next generation.

I'll bet you can't.

Oh, and I have a dictionary definition that contradicts yours, if you'd like to see it.

I like how you assume that Epic's comments speak for the views of the entire gaming industry but okay, let's roll with it.

Epic Games: Next-Gen console specs are not powerful enough

"With this being said, Epic Games has recently caught a glimpse of what the specs for next-gen consoles, PS4 and Xbox 720, will look like. In response, they have stated that they are not going to be enough to provide the type of performance that they are building their next engine for, and are pushing Sony and Microsoft to put more performance into their next systems"

So I guess the PS4 and Xbox 720 are gonna be last gen consoles too. :(

After all, Epic's word is law, right?

[QUOTE="Cranler"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Okay, prove the video game industry follows your definition of the phrase next generation.

I'll bet you can't.

Oh, and I have a dictionary definition that contradicts yours, if you'd like to see it.

The_Game21x

I like how you assume that Epic's comments speak for the views of the entire gaming industry but okay, let's roll with it.

Epic Games: Next-Gen console specs are not powerful enough

"With this being said, Epic Games has recently caught a glimpse of what the specs for next-gen consoles, PS4 and Xbox 720, will look like. In response, they have stated that they are not going to be enough to provide the type of performance that they are building their next engine for, and are pushing Sony and Microsoft to put more performance into their next systems"

So I guess the PS4 and Xbox 720 are gonna be last gen consoles too. :(

After all, Epic's word is law, right?