Do you consider the Wii U a next gen console?

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]And they're sharing the same software, and in cases the wiiu is getting already dated software. I was ignored earlier, but what happens if wiiu uses the current gen engines for sports games, for example, while ps4/Xbox use a next gen engine incapable of running on wiiu? Heirren

Wii was still 7th gen bro.

You can deny it all you want, but that console was Selling right next to the Xbox 360 and PS3.

I'm just saying the WiiU will continue being what it is.

No matter what new Engine that comes along. WiiU will get shafted, but if my Wii Library says anything it just means the WiiU would still get something.

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"] What's current about them?DaBrainz

They're "currently" selling. :?

Ok, they're currently selling, with full support, and still have full backing of 1st parties, 3rd parties, they also have current and fully supported online services which are still growing in consumer base and as a business?

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Wii was still 7th gen bro.

You can deny it all you want, but that console was Selling right next to the Xbox 360 and PS3.

LegatoSkyheart

I'm just saying the WiiU will continue being what it is.

No matter what new Engine that comes along. WiiU will get shafted, but if my Wii Library says anything it just means the WiiU would still get something.

Next-generation Nintendo system, sure...

ps3 abd 360 are last gen

Its technically a next-gen console.

Many people dont consider it next-gen because the graphics fail to impress.

I think people that say the Wii U is next gen are simply trying to justify their purchase. Guys let's be honest for a second, is there anything on the Wii U that looks better than the PS3 and 360? Is there any real big jump in tech and quality between the Wii U and the other systems? No there isn't, be honest with yourselves, you know I'm telling the truth here.

The ONLY thing that you guys bring up to try to convince everyone that Wii U is next gen is a stupid wikipedia article. That's it, that is your entire argument. Sorry guys but that's not proof of anything, look at the meat and potatoes, look at the actual systems and tech. The Wii U is not next gen, it's only current gen, Nintendo does not care about advancing the industry really.

Saying next gen starts with the release of a new system is wrong. If they released a Nintendo 64 again would you call it next gen too? No you wouldn't and you know it. The Wii U is current gen, it's time to face the reality. Show me one game that proves otherwise and I'll admit I was wrong, but that's never going to happen because the Wii U is NOT next gen.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] I'm denying nothing as i haven't taken a side, (bro?lol). Heirren

I'm just saying the WiiU will continue being what it is.

No matter what new Engine that comes along. WiiU will get shafted, but if my Wii Library says anything it just means the WiiU would still get something.

That's a lot of words to try to wiggle in that the WiiU isn't a next Generation console.

Android software seems like it falls in line with Apple software since they're primarily used for Phones.

The Generations for these devices seem to last yearly rather than a Console life span.

They get Updates and the Phones are upgraded to hold more, do more, be more. Phones are more like PCs than what Consoles are. They can have so many upgrades that a Generation to them is meaning less because each year something new has been added and it's not the same thing it was yesterday.

As for NeoGeo X, Do you SEE NeoGeo games being sold at local Super Markets like Target or Walmart? This is the Core 3 we're talking about here, yes you can't just ignore consoles like Ouya or what not, but you seem to be spinning things out of line trying to make the WiiU NOT Next Gen when clearly it seems that this is a Console that is going to last 7 years well after the other Companies have launched their New Systems.

So as for that it's only Logical to Assume that the WiiU is the Next Generation of Gaming.

Next Gen is here, PC has moved on, Phones have moved on, Nintendo has moved on, Ouya is about here to grace itself in this New Generation.....

Only Sony and Microsoft with their Playstation and Xbox brands haven't moved on and are still in the 7th Generation.

You can't spin words and make different meanings to dwiddle WiiU to make it a 7th Generation Console because that was Wii. WiiU is not a Wii.

Yes.

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

I'm just saying the WiiU will continue being what it is.

No matter what new Engine that comes along. WiiU will get shafted, but if my Wii Library says anything it just means the WiiU would still get something.

LegatoSkyheart

That's a lot of words to try to wiggle in that the WiiU isn't a next Generation console.

Android software seems like it falls in line with Apple software since they're primarily used for Phones.

The Generations for these devices seem to last yearly rather than a Console life span.

They get Updates and the Phones are upgraded to hold more, do more, be more. Phones are more like PCs than what Consoles are. They can have so many upgrades that a Generation to them is meaning less because each year something new has been added and it's not the same thing it was yesterday.

As for NeoGeo X, Do you SEE NeoGeo games being sold at local Super Markets like Target or Walmart? This is the Core 3 we're talking about here, yes you can't just ignore consoles like Ouya or what not, but you seem to be spinning things out of line trying to make the WiiU NOT Next Gen when clearly it seems that this is a Console that is going to last 7 years well after the other Companies have launched their New Systems.

So as for that it's only Logical to Assume that the WiiU is the Next Generation of Gaming.

Next Gen is here, PC has moved on, Phones have moved on, Nintendo has moved on, Ouya is about here to grace itself in this New Generation.....

Only Sony and Microsoft with their Playstation and Xbox brands haven't moved on and are still in the 7th Generation.

You can't spin words and make different meanings to dwiddle WiiU to make it a 7th Generation Console because that was Wii. WiiU is not a Wii.

I think people that say the Wii U is next gen are simply trying to justify their purchase. Guys let's be honest for a second, is there anything on the Wii U that looks better than the PS3 and 360? Is there any real big jump in tech and quality between the Wii U and the other systems? No there isn't, be honest with yourselves, you know I'm telling the truth here.

The ONLY thing that you guys bring up to try to convince everyone that Wii U is next gen is a stupid wikipedia article. That's it, that is your entire argument. Sorry guys but that's not proof of anything, look at the meat and potatoes, look at the actual systems and tech. The Wii U is not next gen, it's only current gen, Nintendo does not care about advancing the industry really.

Saying next gen starts with the release of a new system is wrong. If they released a Nintendo 64 again would you call it next gen too? No you wouldn't and you know it. The Wii U is current gen, it's time to face the reality. Show me one game that proves otherwise and I'll admit I was wrong, but that's never going to happen because the Wii U is NOT next gen.

ShadowMoses900

I'm not taking a side. Another example would be DSi. It has improved hardware over the DS, is still supported, yet has already been succeeded by 3DS. Let's speak hypothetically and say this next console gen will last 8 years. Let's say ms/Sony consoles release a year from now, and trump the Nintendo console from a tech standpoint. Let's then say gamers fully adopt these two consoles, 3rd parties adopt them, and abandon wiiu because of dlc profits/perks. Again, hypothetically speaking, let's say Nintendo gets in a tricky spot. What if Nintendo were to launch another console 3 or 4 years from now, when the generation isn't even half over. Where does this console sit generation wise? I see wiiu as more of a product along the lines of the Virtual Boy. Not from a quality standpoint, but from a uniqueness standpoint.Heirren

What did you treat the DSi as?

Remember how people claimed that a WiiHD was coming?

Had a WiiHD came out then it would have still be a 7th generation console, since most of us have Deemed the DSi and the DSiXL in the same line as the DS, even though the DSi had games that the DS did not.

We consider the 3DS a New Generation of the DS line and the DSi as an Upgrade.

An Example would be Nintendo's N64 with the Expansion Pack.

There are games made specifically for the Expansion Pack and without it, the system can not play the Games meant for it.

Much like Sega's 32X Addon.

I can go on, but the point is the DS to DSi is still a Nintendo DS, but a Nintendo 3DS is not a Nintendo DS, it's something more.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]I can't wait to see people's explanations as to why the PS4/720 are next-gen when they have multi-core CPUs clocked significantly lower than Cell/Xenon.HalcyonScarlet

Because their architecture isn't the same as the Cell/Xenon?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I think people that say the Wii U is next gen are simply trying to justify their purchase. Guys let's be honest for a second, is there anything on the Wii U that looks better than the PS3 and 360? Is there any real big jump in tech and quality between the Wii U and the other systems? No there isn't, be honest with yourselves, you know I'm telling the truth here.

The ONLY thing that you guys bring up to try to convince everyone that Wii U is next gen is a stupid wikipedia article. That's it, that is your entire argument. Sorry guys but that's not proof of anything, look at the meat and potatoes, look at the actual systems and tech. The Wii U is not next gen, it's only current gen, Nintendo does not care about advancing the industry really.

Saying next gen starts with the release of a new system is wrong. If they released a Nintendo 64 again would you call it next gen too? No you wouldn't and you know it. The Wii U is current gen, it's time to face the reality. Show me one game that proves otherwise and I'll admit I was wrong, but that's never going to happen because the Wii U is NOT next gen.

Michael0134567

You're right, I don't get it. I don't understand how someone can call a system next gen if it only has the same power as current gen.

[QUOTE="Heirren"] I'm not taking a side. Another example would be DSi. It has improved hardware over the DS, is still supported, yet has already been succeeded by 3DS. Let's speak hypothetically and say this next console gen will last 8 years. Let's say ms/Sony consoles release a year from now, and trump the Nintendo console from a tech standpoint. Let's then say gamers fully adopt these two consoles, 3rd parties adopt them, and abandon wiiu because of dlc profits/perks. Again, hypothetically speaking, let's say Nintendo gets in a tricky spot. What if Nintendo were to launch another console 3 or 4 years from now, when the generation isn't even half over. Where does this console sit generation wise? I see wiiu as more of a product along the lines of the Virtual Boy. Not from a quality standpoint, but from a uniqueness standpoint.LegatoSkyheart

What did you treat the DSi as?

Remember how people claimed that a WiiHD was coming?

Had a WiiHD came out then it would have still be a 7th generation console, since most of us have Deemed the DSi and the DSiXL in the same line as the DS, even though the DSi had games that the DS did not.

We consider the 3DS a New Generation of the DS line and the DSi as an Upgrade.

An Example would be Nintendo's N64 with the Expansion Pack.

There are games made specifically for the Expansion Pack and without it, the system can not play the Games meant for it.

Much like Sega's 32X Addon.

I can go on, but the point is the DS to DSi is still a Nintendo DS, but a Nintendo 3DS is not a Nintendo DS, it's something more.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I think people that say the Wii U is next gen are simply trying to justify their purchase. Guys let's be honest for a second, is there anything on the Wii U that looks better than the PS3 and 360? Is there any real big jump in tech and quality between the Wii U and the other systems? No there isn't, be honest with yourselves, you know I'm telling the truth here.

The ONLY thing that you guys bring up to try to convince everyone that Wii U is next gen is a stupid wikipedia article. That's it, that is your entire argument. Sorry guys but that's not proof of anything, look at the meat and potatoes, look at the actual systems and tech. The Wii U is not next gen, it's only current gen, Nintendo does not care about advancing the industry really.

Saying next gen starts with the release of a new system is wrong. If they released a Nintendo 64 again would you call it next gen too? No you wouldn't and you know it. The Wii U is current gen, it's time to face the reality. Show me one game that proves otherwise and I'll admit I was wrong, but that's never going to happen because the Wii U is NOT next gen.

ShadowMoses900

You're right, I don't get it. I don't understand how someone can call a system next gen if it only has the same power as current gen.

It is obviously next gen. But personally I can't get myself to treat it like next gen when all the multiplats so far have some technical quirk that simply puts it alongside older consoles. The day it shows something different I will surely change my mind, but right now I can't consider it.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I think people that say the Wii U is next gen are simply trying to justify their purchase. Guys let's be honest for a second, is there anything on the Wii U that looks better than the PS3 and 360? Is there any real big jump in tech and quality between the Wii U and the other systems? No there isn't, be honest with yourselves, you know I'm telling the truth here.

The ONLY thing that you guys bring up to try to convince everyone that Wii U is next gen is a stupid wikipedia article. That's it, that is your entire argument. Sorry guys but that's not proof of anything, look at the meat and potatoes, look at the actual systems and tech. The Wii U is not next gen, it's only current gen, Nintendo does not care about advancing the industry really.

Saying next gen starts with the release of a new system is wrong. If they released a Nintendo 64 again would you call it next gen too? No you wouldn't and you know it. The Wii U is current gen, it's time to face the reality. Show me one game that proves otherwise and I'll admit I was wrong, but that's never going to happen because the Wii U is NOT next gen.

ShadowMoses900

You're right, I don't get it. I don't understand how someone can call a system next gen if it only has the same power as current gen.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"] You just don't get it.bonesawisready5

You're right, I don't get it. I don't understand how someone can call a system next gen if it only has the same power as current gen.

The Wii U versions of AC3 and BO2 look the same as the 360 and PS3 versions. And AC3 already is 720p on 360 and PS3, and Black Ops 2 is 1080p on PS3 and 360.

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You're right, I don't get it. I don't understand how someone can call a system next gen if it only has the same power as current gen.

ShadowMoses900

The Wii U versions of AC3 and BO2 look the same as the 360 and PS3 versions. And AC3 already is 720p on 360 and PS3, and Black Ops 2 is 1080p on PS3 and 360.

:lol:

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"] I didn't know the 360 could produce visuals line Assassin's Creed III or Black Ops 2 in 720p with all three cores clocked down to 1.2Ghz. I didn't know the 360 had 2GB of system RAM, 32MB eDRAM either. (Or a separate Audio processor which has taken up an entire core in the past on 360 games)Michael0134567

The Wii U versions of AC3 and BO2 look the same as the 360 and PS3 versions. And AC3 already is 720p on 360 and PS3, and Black Ops 2 is 1080p on PS3 and 360.

:lol:

It's true. I have the PS3 version of Black Ops 2 and it says 1080P. Both the box and my TV says it.

Next gen is starting off nicely, most Wii U games run sub-720p resolution with no AA

It's the first of the 8th gen consoles.

It's probably going to be the second weakest, with OUYA being weakest.

it doesn't matter that its underpowered, all that matters is that its the succesor so it makes it next gen

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

The Wii U versions of AC3 and BO2 look the same as the 360 and PS3 versions. And AC3 already is 720p on 360 and PS3, and Black Ops 2 is 1080p on PS3 and 360.

ShadowMoses900

:lol:

It's true. I have the PS3 version of Black Ops 2 and it says 1080P. Both the box and my TV says it.

It is untrue:

Call of Duty: Black Ops 2= 880x720 (dynamic? Instances of 832x624..., post-AA)

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You're right, I don't get it. I don't understand how someone can call a system next gen if it only has the same power as current gen.

Michael0134567

Yup it based on release and that how it been determined.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You're right, I don't get it. I don't understand how someone can call a system next gen if it only has the same power as current gen.

Wanderer5

Yup it based on release and that how it been determined.

why are we debating this?

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"] It's not based on power.Mario1331

Yup it based on release and that how it been determined.

why are we debating this?

It's next gen, just not a very good next gen console.

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You're right, I don't get it. I don't understand how someone can call a system next gen if it only has the same power as current gen.

Wanderer5

Yup it based on release and that how it been determined.

No it's not. And seeing how close the poll results are, you can't really say it's based on release. The Wii U is current gen, Wii was last gen (Gamecube). Next gen starts with the release of the next Xbox and PS4.

It's true. I have the PS3 version of Black Ops 2 and it says 1080P. Both the box and my TV says it.

ShadowMoses900

Yeah, but you're as intelligent as a mound of dirt. What's the difference betweem upscaled and native, Shadow?

why are we debating this?

Mario1331

Denial? Heck Wikipedia is not needed as proof, common sense is all that needed to look at how this is all set up.

No it's not. And seeing how close the poll results are, you can't really say it's based on release. The Wii U is current gen, Wii was last gen (Gamecube). Next gen starts with the release of the next Xbox and PS4.

ShadowMoses900

Yeah because a poll on a place like SW so determines it!

No... it's not "NEXT GEN".... it's current gen. 360, Wii & PS3 are last gen.

Current gen will be Wii U, XBOX NEXT & PS4.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

why are we debating this?

Wanderer5

Denial? Heck Wikipedia is not needed as proof, common sense is all that needed to look at how this is all set up.

No it's not. And seeing how close the poll results are, you can't really say it's based on release. The Wii U is current gen, Wii was last gen (Gamecube). Next gen starts with the release of the next Xbox and PS4.

ShadowMoses900

Yeah because a poll on a place like SW so determines it!

No power determines it and the Wii U is current gen. There is nothing next gen about it at all, here is what's going to happen: devs will stop making games for it and just make them for PS4 and next Xbox because the Wii U will not be able to handle it. You will never see an Elder Scrolls 6 or Fallout 4 on Wii U, it will never be able to compete graphically or tech wise with the other two.

It's going to become an outdated system.

Technically it is a nextgen system but as far as I'm concerned it is current gen system the true next gen consoles are the ps4 and xbox 720 pc is already next-gen but all that power is being held back but once games move on to next-gen engines and 4K-16K auto stereoscopic displays become affordable all that power will finally be put to good use.

No power determines it and the Wii U is current gen. There is nothing next gen about it at all, here is what's going to happen: devs will stop making games for it and just make them for PS4 and next Xbox because the Wii U will not be able to handle it. You will never see an Elder Scrolls 6 or Fallout 4 on Wii U, it will never be able to compete graphically or tech wise with the other two.

It's going to become an outdated system.

ShadowMoses900

Can you find a definition of the word "Generation" which specifically outlines a notable increase in processing power as the sole defining factor behind a generational leap?

Doesn't matter what we think.

Objectively, it is a next gen console.

I love how history repeats itself, even with different bovine.

2005 - Cows at 360 Launch, "Where's the next-gen?"

2012 - Cows at Wii U Launch, "Where's the next-gen?"

:lol:

I love how history repeats itself, even with different bovine.

2005 - Cows at 360 Launch, "Where's the next-gen?"

2012 - Cows at Wii U Launch, "Where's the next-gen?"

:lol:

Stevo_the_gamer

Was it really like that in 2005?:lol:

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

I love how history repeats itself, even with different bovine.

2005 - Cows at 360 Launch, "Where's the next-gen?"

2012 - Cows at Wii U Launch, "Where's the next-gen?"

:lol:

Wanderer5

Was it really like that in 2005?:lol:

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

I love how history repeats itself, even with different bovine.

2005 - Cows at 360 Launch, "Where's the next-gen?"

2012 - Cows at Wii U Launch, "Where's the next-gen?"

:lol:

Stevo_the_gamer

Was it really like that in 2005?:lol:

Oh gawd, I just nostalgia'd hard reading "where's the next gen". :lol:

Don't forget how they all brought up GUN and the other PS2 ports that only had marginally improved graphics. :D

Doesn't matter what we think.

Objectively, it is a next gen console.

The_Game21x

Objectiviely it is only a current gen console. There is nothing to prove that it is next gen other than biased wikipedia articles that anyone can edit. It is current gen soon to be last gen, this is the only onbjective truth there is.

No one is going to care about the Wii U when PS4 and the next Xbox come out.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Cows were comparing Dead or Alive 4 against Dead or Alive on the original Xbox. That's the only comparison I can distinctly remember, but the phrase "where's the next gen" was thrown around a lot.The_Game21x

Oh gawd, I just nostalgia'd hard reading "where's the next gen". :lol:

Don't forget how they all brought up GUN and the other PS2 ports that only had marginally improved graphics. :D

Oh yeah I remember GUN being thrown around.:P

I think you keep missing the point. I don't know what to make of the DSi--it's still on the market and still gets a lot of support. Nintendo seems to be distancing themselves from the traditional console framework a bit. You also didn't comment on the last part. I'd be curious as to how you'd answer that. What if we changed the story a bit and Sony/ms launched two years from now, with an 8 year proposed life cycle. Let's say wiiu sits next to the ps3/360 for two years. Then, when ms/Sony launch their next consoles, Nintendo sales stumble and they're forced to release another console two years after ms/Sony..Heirren

I don't thnk you understood my answer here.

Should Nintendo Release something along the lines of a "DSi" for the WiiU, it's still going to be considered 8th Gen.

Just like how the 32X was for the Genesis and the Expansion Pack for the N64 (or the N64 Disc Drive).

These things made the console more powerful than they initially were. DSi opened the DS up to Digital Downloads of Games.

So you got games like Perfect Dark, Donkey Kong Country 64, Animal Crossing (japan) and Majora's Mask for the N64 Expansion Pack and Doom and Primal Rage and the like for the Sega 32X and Games like Cave Story and Shantae for the DSi.

But in the end they're still an N64, a Sega Genesis, and a DS.

So even if Nintendo decides to "Upgrade" the current WiiU, it's still going to be a WiiU.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Doesn't matter what we think.

Objectively, it is a next gen console.

ShadowMoses900

Objectiviely it is only a current gen console. There is nothing to prove that it is next gen other than biased wikipedia articles that anyone can edit. It is current gen soon to be last gen, this is the only onbjective truth there is.

No one is going to care about the Wii U when PS4 and the next Xbox come out.

Objectively, the Wii, 360 and PS3 are seventh generation consoles.

Objectively, the Wii U is the only currently released eighth generation console.

Therefore, the Wii U is objectively a next generation console.

Denying this just goes to show you don't know what the phrases "objective" and "next generation" mean.

Objectiviely it is only a current gen console.ShadowMoses900

How exactly do you quantify this objectively?