DOA:X3 Might Not Release in The West for Fear of Backlash

This is just sad. I can't believe these type of people are what constitutes as gaming journalism these days.

I really fear for the future of gaming.

Oh so do I, I don't predict a happy ending for my gaming career, at least modern gaming. This is why I am such an advocate and supporter of retro gaming, there are enough fantastic and well vetted retro games that could keep me entertained for 30 lifetimes. This new garbage they shove out is not necessary to my gaming wants, needs or levels of enjoyment, so if these SJW's prevail I will simply look backwards entirely for what I want to play.

Come on, dude. First off, I think it's pretty naive to think that Koei Tecmo thinks that this game won't sell because it'll piss off feminists. You really think that feminists/"SJW's" make up a big percentage of this game's potential user base? If it ain't gonna sell well in the west, then it ain't gonna sell well REGARDLESS of whether or not SJW's complain about it.

But secondly, so what? Even if whining SJW's is the reason why this game isn't getting released in the west, this still boils down to the company thinking that the game won't sell. And how the hell is that a dangerous precedent? Companies decide not to release something because they think it won't sell well all the damn time. Do you think that's a new thing? That various companies in all sorts of industries haven't been doing the same thing since, like, forever?

And again, I have to repeat, the game isn't getting released in the west because it's not gonna sell well. That's it. SJW's and feminists have NOTHING to do with this, dude. SJW's and feminists don't decide whether a game's gonna get released or not. It was the company's decision to not release the game. So even if the game not being released in the west is a problem, that's the company's fault. Not SJW's fault, and not feminist's fault. So direct the blame to Koei Tecmo, because it was ENTIRELY their decision to not release the game in the west. Feminists and SJW's have nothing to do with this, because Koei Tecmo WOULD be releasing this game in the west if they thought it would sell well.

To add to this, have any "SJWs" or any feminists even complain about this game?

Just seems like people are trying to find a scapegoat.

The second Play-Asia said they were going to be supporting the game and making it available to Western shoppers with an English subtitled version, the SJW's went on a firestorm witchhunt, one which increased the pre-orders for the game three fold and got Play-Asia 10,000 more Twitter followers in a single day.

It backfired for them horribly lol.

And that doesn't look suspiciously like Koei Tecmo is using a made-up bogeyman to increase sales for a game that otherwise wouldn't have sold very well? They decided not to release something (even though nobody tried to stop them from releasing it), blamed the whole thing on people who have jack shit to do with deciding on whether or not the game gets released, and suddenly people are lining up to support them just to take a stand against the sjw's and feminists.

This doesn't look suspiciously as if Koei Tecmo is actually fabricating controversy in order to increase support for a game that's probably not very good and probably wouldn't have sold well without a political angle for people to rally behind? And people are just eating it up.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but the last game wasn't exactly a big hit in the west, was it? How much were people talking about this game before this story hit?

It could be, but that could equally be tinfoil hat conspiracy.

Possibly tinfoil hat conspiracy, but I'd be more inclined to think so if I haven't seen this shit happen over and over and over again. Fabricating controversy is a tried and true tactic for boosting sales for a product that no one really gives a shit about. Companies do it all the fucking time, and more importantly a lot of the time it actually works. I'd be FAR less inclined to think that's what was happening here if...

a) sjw's/feminists actually had ANY power in whether or not this game gets released

b) if anyone actually gave a shit about this game before Koei Tecmo said they weren't gonna release it in the west.

Don't kid yourself, it's clear to everyone that the this whole SJW and feminist crap is having an effect on the game's release.

Hell we already have people boycotting play-asia for choosing to still sell the game.

Boycotts? Seriously? Who gives a shit about boycotts?

And can ANYONE here actually provide some evidence of some clear and tangible way in which sjw's had ANYTHING to do with the game not being released? Did they threaten to bomb Koei Tecmo? Did they threaten to boycott Koei Tecmo? What EXACTLY do the sjw's have to do with this? Because aside from some really vague "you know this is somehow the sjw's fault" kinds of comments, I have yet to see even one single person provide a single example of any sjw's doing ANYTHING to prevent this game from being released in the west.

Can you provide solid evidence to the contrary?

What do you mean "who cares"? These boycotts and blacklistings are tantamount to the situation at hand. SJWs and feminists trashed DOA5 because of the whole sexuality thing. It's obvious they'll do, and in fact are doing, the same thing to DOAX3.

Where there's smoke there's a fire.

People are too senitive these days.

Think it is a case of "people have grown up thinking they were the center of the world, and the world should conform to their likes and dislikes"

Absolutely none of these boycotts are vocal enough for a publisher to take notice.

Also, people are boycotting Play-Asia because of their use of the term not SJW. I think that's stupid altogether, but you're crazy if you think any of this has to do with the actual video game.

Why does anybody even listen to SJW? They don't buy games anyway, they're to busy crying.

I mean "who cares" because boycotts generally don't do shit. You can boycott all you like and it doesn't mean a damn thing as long as people are actually buying the product. So feminists "trashed" DOA5? Who gives a shit? It's not gonna matter if people are buying it. And if people AREN'T buying it, then THAT'S sort of the problem, not the boycotts. I mean, do you think that any level of boycotting is gonna keep the next GTA game from being released?

Fucking boycotts, man. People boycott all sorts of shit and it doesn't amount to a hill of beans. And even if the boycott is somehow effective, SO WHAT? That's free speech in action. If my boycott against a product or company is effective enough to convince people to withdraw support for that product or company, then too fucking bad for the people who feel differently. That just means that the people who DO support the company should have done a fucking better job convincing the company that it was in their best interests to ignore the boycott. That's how free speech works. If we're gonna frame this as an issue of artistic freedom, then there's nothing wrong with boycotts either.

But now you're getting off topic. We still haven't even established that boycotts by sjw's had ANYTHING to do with Koei Tecmo deciding to not release the game. Can you provide ANY evidence whatsoever that sjw's had ANYTHING to do with Koei Tecmo deciding not to release the game in the west? It looks to me like this is ENTIRELY just a matter of the company thinking that the game wouldn't sell well, because boycotts don't do shit when people like something enough to buy the hell out of it anyway. I mean, seriously...if Koei Tecmo thought this game was gonna be a big hit, then why the **** would they CARE if some sjw's and feminists decided to boycott it? Can you imagine Rockstar pulling their next GTA game in a crucial big-selling region just because a few vocal people complained about it? I mean, come on. They're not gonna leave huge profits on the table when a few people start complaining unless they actually do have some moral objection to what they're doing. And if they had some moral objection to this, they wouldn't be releasing the game at all.

@MrGeezer: Not GTA no, but it can hurt a smaller company pretty bad. Only a few amount of companies have to brand name power to overcome such hate. And just because you can overcome the negative hate doesnt make it right.

People want too boycott a company, then they too should be acceptive to criticism.

I'm a bit lost, why is there such a HUGE fuss over fake...digital women who flaunt their entirely 100% fake bodies, and absolutely NO outcry over the sexism on full display in popular magazines from Maxim to Vogue, or the fact most modelling companies use underage models as sex objects to sell their overpriced clothing? Why don't these SJW's take on real world problems first, and go after the made up first world problems later?

On a side note: Man am I getting tired of the staff on this site closing every other thread and taking every criticism personally!

@suicidesn0wman: My guess would be they dont have their foot in the door.

At last, woman will get the respect they deserve.

Would make more sense if they were called SFW since they're obviously sexually frustrated white males.

Social Justice Wannabes? Ahhh yeah!

@mesome713 "Smaller company"? Yeah, as in, "the shit isn't selling very well."

How well did DOAX2 do? I know it wasn't a TOTAL financial flop in the west. Sure, SOME people bought it. But it wasn't exactly a big hit, was it? Even taking the "feminist/sjw outrage" out of the equation, is there ANY reason to believe that this game would have done much better? This isn't even making a judgement about the game's quality or the people who like it, but you've kind of got to admit that it's sort of a niche title. It's a fucking beach volleyball game about looking at pretty girls in bikinis. Seriously, how fucking well do you expect that to sell? Niche title. Not a whole lot of demand for that, even WITHOUT sjw's complaining about it.

Point is, this is all about MONEY, dude. And we're talking about a title that wasn't exactly a huge hit in western territories even BEFORE the current sjw mentality took hold. No one has provided a single goddamn example of sjw's preventing the company from releasing the game in the west. It looks a hell of a lot like these games weren't terribly financially successful in western territories anyway, and might be less financially successful given the current social climate. How is that a bad thing? It's STILL about whether or not it's fiscally responsible to release the game, and companies that don't exercise fiscal responsibility quickly end up losing the ability to release ANY games. People are trying to frame this about an issue of artistic freedom, and I'm like, "seriously?" It's a smaller company releasing a niche title in a series that isn't exactly a huge hit, and we're somehow blaming its lack of a release on the fact that some people complain about it? People complain about all sorts of shit, dude. If their product isn't popular enough to weather a little bit of criticism then they probably SHOULDN'T be releasing it in those territories. That's just called "not flushing millions of dollars down the toilet." People talk about sjw's being self-entitled, but what the hell? Are we gamers so self-entitled that we expect a company to lose millions of dollars releasing a product in a territory where that product doesn't sell well, just so that we can give a "**** you" to the sjw's who were probably never gonna buy the game anyway? If people actually bought that shit, then Koei Tecmo WOULD be releasing it regardless of complaints. But no one bought it last time, because no one fucking cares about the game. The only reason people are wanting it now is because they hate sjw's and the sjw's SUPPOSEDLY kept the game from being released.

@MrGeezer: It only released on Xbox 360. But yes, i think this game can do better since we have a lack of volleyball games. Of course its niche, nothing wrong with that. You think this is all about money? Thats cool, but i dont. I think this is all about haters trying to hate on something they dont like. Dicators who want to force their opinion on others. Extremest who want to cover our video game women up, etc. I dont care if the dude made the game to only sell to 10 people, its art and deserves to be sold. Who are we to sensor his art?

"WE" censored their art?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Dude, it was ENTIRELY Koei Tecmo's decision to not release this in western territories. They censored THEMSELVES. If you want to rail against someone for restricting access to "art", then you should be directing your complaints to Koei Tecmo. Not some mysterious unidentified group of "haters" who somehow held the game back even though they have absolutely no power to do a goddamn thing other than complain about it.

Yes, people "hate on" things. That's a consequence of being able to have a goddamn opinion. And as an "artist", you'd do well to realize that NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, someone is going to "hate on it." If you don't have the fucking balls to release it anyway in spite of the "haters", then that's YOUR fault. This isn't a case of them not being able to find anyone who'll carry the game. They supposedly flat out chickened out because some people might not like it, and that's somehow the fault of the people who don't like it? Dude, **** THAT. If we're gonna call this game "art" then I think we should expect the artist to man up and grow some fucking balls. Nothing wrong with them not releasing the game, but that's THEIR choice. THEY take the blame for that. No one "forced" them to not release the game, THEY DID THAT THEMSELVES. I mean, Jesus...I thought the Hatred controversy was stupid, but at least there was initially the fact that Steam wouldn't carry the game. Here, though? Who the hell is in ANY way stopping this game releasing in western territories? Do we even have any stories about major retailers like Wal-Mart refusing to carry it? No, it's just supposedly issue of "some people complained, the artist then chickened out." Well let me tell you, THAT'S THE ARTIST'S FAULT. If you're gonna go into crybaby mode and censor YOURSELF when someone doesn't like your "art", then that's fine. But you don't get to lay the blame on the "haters", because they didn't stop you from doing shit. You stopped YOURSELF.

@MrGeezer: I was talking in general. And thats what ive been doing, i want them to release it and keep asking them to. I want them to bring sexy back. I like volleyball and sexy women in bathing suits.

Actually, the firestorm happened because of the "SJW nonsense" remark, which is funny because only an SJW would have responded to that remark. They know the damage they've caused, and they don't like being blamed for it. Any rational person wouldn't have given a shit otherwise, but since they know the tweet was referring to them specifically, they took it personally enough to boycott. It should be easy enough to understand. Two DOAX games were already released here, but back in a time where talk of feminism or misogyny in games wasn't to the degree that it is now. The climate has shifted so severely in the past two years that I don't blame Koei for not wanting to release it here. It's not big enough that it can ride the waves like Grand Theft Auto, so of course, they're worried that the bad press will bury their game. Oddly enough, the bad press about the boycott seems to be generating more interest in both the game and Play-Asia.

@JustPlainLucas: Thats what puzzles me, who the heck would be offended by someone tweeting about SJWs. Its like someone tweeting they disapprove of crybabies and you taking offense. "How dare you call me a crybaby" Umm sir, i didnt call you a crybaby. "O yes you did. I heard it. C.r.y.b.a.b.y, yep, spells crybaby." But sir, i never saw you cry. I dont even know you, i cant even see you.

The fact that they even respond to SJW at all shows exactly what they think they are and are classified as.

@mesome713: Okay...you still seem to have a very warped perspective about how free speech works. There's nothing wrong with wanting the game, but what you have to realize is that a lot of people may not. If you have the right to express your support for it, then there's absolutely not a single solitary thing wrong with the "haters" publicly taking the opposite stance. That's how free speech works. People who like it say, "I want that, give me more", and people who hate it say, "I dislike that, make it go away." Neither group "forces" the "artist" to do a goddamn thing, the decision is entirely up to the artist.

This is NOT an issue of rights or freedoms. Koei Tecmo has the right to release the game in the west, no one is stopping them, they simply CHOSE not to do so. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But IF it is a bad thing, then it's their fault. If someone takes the blame for this, it's them. They're the "artists" here, they knew exactly what the **** they were doing, so they need to own up to it. No one is obligated to like their "art". No one who hates their "art" is obligated to repress their distaste for it. Koei Tecmo can either release it in poorly selling territories and take a loss in order to make their "art" more accessible, or Koei Tecmo can do "self-censorship" and avoid spending money releasing the product in territories where it probably wouldn't sell anyway. But either way it goes, NO ONE IS MAKING THEM DO SHIT. That's their decision as "the artist" and they take not only the credit but the blame as well. If it's in any way wrong that this game isn't being released in the west, that's not the fault of the feminists/sjw's. Feminists/sjw's didn't stop this game being released, the "artist" stopped it from being released. If it not being released is bad, then Koei Tecmo takes the blame. Not the "sjw's", not the "feminists", not the "haters".

That's how it works when you make "art". If you make art, it's EXPECTED that someone's gonna hate it. And the more exposure you get, the more hatred you're gonna get. That shit just comes with the territory, and if you can't stand the heat then you need to get the **** out of the kitchen. If there's ANYTHING wrong with this game not getting released in the west (and I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with that), then it's the company's damn fault. And it's just really fucking pathetic that this is getting framed as an issue of sjw's restricting artistic freedom, and people are eating that shit right up while giving Koei Tecmo a free pass even though this was ENTIRELY their doing.

I'm finding a lot of these SJW lot are that attractive in the first place. Jealousy maybe?

Nobody said they cant hate, i love haters, they make us stronger. I love when people try to cover my women up, i remove more cloths. I love when people try to take my freedom, i gain more. I love when people try to tell me what to do, i do what i want. Can try to censor art, but we will prevail and free it. Freedom cant be stopped. “A bird doesn’t sing because it has an answer, it sings because it has a song.”

They certainly have not directly prevented this game from releasing in the west but its also true that they are to blame for the hostile enviroment towards these kind of games nowadays. They are at least trying to brainwash gamers into thinking that people who enjoy these sort of games are misogynist pigs/sexist and rapists. And no these are not just a few bloggers, SJWs are basically controlling the entire mainstream press.

Nailed it! ...don't blame Koei for it..can just imagine the bad press (by SJWs) it will if they release the game to the west. :P

Well, the ARTIST most certainly can and SHOULD be able to censor his/her own art. Which is kind of the ONLY thing that's happening here.

SJW's and feminists are not censoring the game. If we're gonna call this censorship, then the company that created it (collectively the "artist") is the only one censoring it.

1) SJW's have nothing to do with it. So why the hell are we blaming them for this?

2) What the hell is wrong with self-censorship? Even if we frame this as "the artists censored themselves", how is that necessarily a bad thing? I mean, the "art" represents their expression of their ideals and values, right? Shouldn't they, as the creator, have control over where and when there is access to it? Doesn't the writer/speaker sort of get a say in who gets to hear/read his views and when that gets to happen? How is limited access inherently a bad thing? Are we as the audience somehow entitled to have this "art" released in territories where the artist doesn't want to release it? Sure, it's fine to simply not LIKE the fact that we want it and it isn't available, but how the hell does that lack of availability amount to a restriction of artistic freedom? I think that "freedom" sort of means "the artist can choose to not release it, for whatever dumbass reason he likes." I mean, this IS property of Koei Tecmo, right? It's not like western audiences are entitled to being able to play it. As long as they aren't being forced to not release it in the west (and they aren't) then how in the hell is choosing to not release the game here antithetical to the notion of "freedom"? It's not mine, I didn't make it. It's theirs. They made it, and they get to do with it whatever they feel is in their best interests.

@MrGeezer: No one stated they were censoring this game mate. Its you that keeps debating such things. We are just asking for them to release the game. We just want to play some volleyball.

Look as soon as SJW's start hindering our hobby we ought to protect our developers from them.
I don't think we're there yet. Their PC tyranny has been stopped dead in their tracks, luckily, for now. The FIRST industry to do so, ever! I'm pretty proud of that.

mesome713 said: "You think this is all about money? Thats cool, but i dont. I think this is all about haters trying to hate on something they dont like. Dicators who want to force their opinion on others. Extremest who want to cover our video game women up, etc. I dont care if the dude made the game to only sell to 10 people, its art and deserves to be sold. Who are we to sensor his art?"

So....yeah. You're the one bringing up "dictators forcing their opinions on others." You're the one who asked "who are we to sensor his art" (I assume you meant "censor", because otherwise that comment makes no sense).

And again...nothing wrong with wanting the game and being upset that it's not available in your territory. But even if that's the case, this is Koei Tecmo's fault. Stop complaining about the SJW's. They didn't stop the game's release, Koei Tecmo did. If there's ANYONE that fans of these games should be complaining about, it's Koei Tecmo (aka, "the artists"). And like, I hardly see anyone doing that. It's understandable for fans to be mad that SOMEONE is blocking the game's release, but somehow this turned into an anti-SJW-circle-jerk even though the SJW's have ZERO control over where/when/if the game gets released. Somehow support for Koei Tecmo "increased three fold" even though Koei Tecmo is the ONLY entity blocking the release of the game. I mean, seriously...can you really not see how that's just a little bit fucking insane?

I still never stated SJWs were censoring this game. Whats wrong with complaining about SJWs? I dont agree with them, so i complain about them. They do the same to my games. Again, we just want them to release the game and ignore the crybaby SJWs.

And aint nothing wrong with that.

Did someone post this?

http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/11/former-ign-and-gamespot-journalists-threaten-play-asia-for-supporting-dead-or-alive-xtreme-3/

@quakeknight1991: Yeah, @-God- made a thread about it, it got locked since too many threads on the subject were up.

(And since he's a former GS dude it may be a bit sensitive stuff for here on GS forums.)

@mesome713: So who, exactly, were you referring to when you asked, "Who are we to sensor his art?"

Meaning what right do we have to censor others content. We as in us.

This appears to be a theme specifically with San Francisco techies in the gaming business. It's like a line you have to prove you're on the socially more dominant position of to get hired or you are blacklisted. Or maybe he's worried about being blacklisted socially in that area.

Here he has to reconcile years of being a gamer with these contentious beliefs that gamers bask in misogyny and sexism and the systematic oppression of women quite casually, so he does something like this with quite predictable ramifications. People are going to be chatting about it quite a bit, and he gets to take the moral high-ground, and he gets in bed with people who love shit like this.

Quite frankly, he'd just be playing us all, SJWs and non-SJWs alike; we'd be better not to pay him any mind.