DOA:X3 Might Not Release in The West for Fear of Backlash

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@super600: I think if it does release, it will sell more then originally. These are very niche games. It would have been best to hate on it in secret like they usually do.

IGN did it the best way, they tried to do a lets play of the DoAx2 game and hate on its quality. Thats the best way to hate on games, just mock their quality. Usually this is how the whiners do it, mock it quality and down vote it as much as possible.

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@super600: I think if it does release, it will sell more then originally. These are very niche games. It would have been best to hate on it in secret like they usually do.

IGN did it the best, they tried to do a lets play of the DoAx2 game and hate on its quality.

In this current market I don't think this game will sell much past the second one.I don't care if this game releases I just hate how PlayAsia's PR was trying to advertise this game.They could have advertised the game a lot better.

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@mesome713: Yes they are both stupid. The people buying the game are more stupid though. At least the ones complaining about it aren't wasting their money.

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@toast_burner: I wouldnt worry about it though, its their money. People donate money for way worst causes.

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@mesome713 said:

@super600: I think if it does release, it will sell more then originally. These are very niche games. It would have been best to hate on it in secret like they usually do.

IGN did it the best, they tried to do a lets play of the DoAx2 game and hate on its quality.

In this current market I don't think this game will sell much past the second one.

I think it will do much better, it was only released on 360, it has a chance to come to a bunch of platforms now. And if they can get this game on PC, OMG, the mods will be amazing.l

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@mesome713 said:

@toast_burner: I wouldnt worry about it though, its their money. People donate money for way worst causes.

@super600 said:
@mesome713 said:

@super600: I think if it does release, it will sell more then originally. These are very niche games. It would have been best to hate on it in secret like they usually do.

IGN did it the best, they tried to do a lets play of the DoAx2 game and hate on its quality.

In this current market I don't think this game will sell much past the second one.

I think it will do much better, it was only released on 360, it has a chance to come to a bunch of platforms now. And if they can get this game on PC, OMG, the mods will be amazing.l

It's on the vita which isn't selling much and the ps4 which is selling well,but the ps4 is probably not that conducive for a game like this one to sell much at all. I think's it barely going to sell better than the second one by the end of this gen.

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@super600: Lets just hope can hype up a PC version. That would be awesome for the modding community.

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Let me flat out stop you right there. According to VGChartz, the first DOAX sold more than twice the number of copies in the US than it did in Japan, and even though DOAX2 failed miserably compared to the first, it STILL sold in the States more than twice as much as Japan. So going by that trend, Koei's reasoning for not releasing this game is NOT because they don't think it will sell well in the region it performs the bestin. The fact that Koei is publishing it in Japan, and then Europe, where the franchise actually peforms the WORST, the ONLY logical conclusion as to why Koei is not selling the game in the West would have to be because they don't want the smear campaign that they know an SJW-driven media will give them. It should be clear as day, dude. People want the game, at least twice as many people here than in Japan, and since Koei won't give its largest market what it wants, something is definitely up.

So basically what you're saying is that they're throwing away shitloads of money just to not look bad? This isn't even about money at all, they're just afraid of having people talk shit about them even if they're getting paid?

if so, then that just validates what I said before...they're fucking chickenshit cowards. According to you, this smear campaign isn't gonna tarnish their sales, because they'd actually do A LOT BETTER if they released the game. So, what...they're just fucking scared of people talking bad about them? They make a fucking product that they know is gonna piss people off, and withdraw that product from their BEST SELLING TERRITORIES, and that somehow lets them off the hook?

1) If they're afraid of looking bad, they still look bad because they still made the game and are releasing it. So they're STILL on the hook for any misogynist complaints, because they're fucking releasing the game. Only now, they're fucking misogynists AND they fucked themselves out of massive profits. Woo hoo, great job, guys!

2) That also further validates that this is in no way the fault of SJW's. If the company would actually BENEFIT from releasing the game in territories where SJW's complain about it, then we can't even fucking say that the SJW's are responsible for making a western release unprofitable.

3) And yes, I'm sure that "something is up." Remember how I was talking about fabricating controversy to generate sales? Wait a little while for Koei Tecmo to announce that they changed their minds and are going to release the game in western territories due to massive fan response. They get made out as the good guys for listening to the fans and saying "**** you" to the SJW's (even though it was them alone that had anything to do with the game getting pulled from the west). They increase sales by making this political and getting and duping stupid fucking saps into buying something that they never had any interest in in the first place.

Again, if this shit was gonna sell, they wouldn't give a flying **** about a "smear campaign" because the shit is selling. If a smear campaign actually works, it's only because people don't want the game (after all, the people who are complaining about it aren't likely to be long-standing fans of the series). And if the game actually IS selling great and the company won't release it in a certain territory just because they're afraid of bad criticism, then that makes them chickenshit cowards. That would be like Andres Serrano refusing to do exhibits in his most lucrative areas just because of a few bad reviews. If we're gonna treat this fucking medium as an art form, then YEAH it's the artist's fucking fault if he pulls his work from his most successful territories just because he's afraid of a few people talking badly about it.

That's exactly what I'm saying. They don't want to deal with the PR, because they are in fact chickenshit. However, what you propose in #3 makes a lot of sense. This could all be a PR stunt to drum up sales and if that is the case, then it's entirely the SJW's fault for creating the social climate regarding sexism and misogyny in video games in the first place. This narrative didn't exist in the same level it did 10 years ago when the first two games came out. Again, you'd have to really be blind not to see the shift today. So, if #3 is true, they're capitalizing on SJWs. They're getting them to drum up interest and free advertising, so when they make their announcement that it's coming to the states, it will be received even better by people who wish to buy the game to "stick it to the SJWs".

If the SJWs weren't around, Koei Tecmo would have just released the game, knowing from the start it will sell more in the States than any other region. Since the SJWs are around, though, and #3 is true, than they're being used as a PR stunt. Regardless if Koei is just being koi about releasing the game or if they're actually exploiting weak-minded individuals, the fact of the matter is that SJWs are partly to blame for the game not releasing here. You state that carry no blame whatsoever, and I argue that isn't the case. You state that they aren't releasing it simply because it just won't sell, and I argue that isn't case.

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A little conflicted here. I don't like seeing stuff censored, but the fact the DOAX series exists, and got sequels makes me embarrassed to be a gamer. Is beating off to video game women actually a thing people do?

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#209  Edited By deactivated-58ce94803a170
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@judaspete: Never heard of hentai? Im pretty sure the fans just like some sexy volleyball. So much free stuff that caters to your sexually needs. But if some do, then more power to them. Always follow your passion.

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@Dire_Weasel said:

P-A used a Gamergate dog whistle in an attempt to generate some interest in a shit title and some small-minded people fell for it.

It's odd how so many people can't see that. But I guess it's like how you said it, they're small minded.

The game was at no point ever stated to be released outside of Asia. Now that the publishers have made some bullshit excuse the game is going to sell like crazy (relative to how little it would have sold otherwise) due to a bunch of morons thinking that buying shit is a political statement.

Simply put both Koei Tecmo and Play Asia are exploiting peoples stupidity.

I really can't see these people as anything other then truly idiotic. Pulling back the politics for a moment, this is anti-consumer all around. The only way people can buy this game is through bullshit import sites with absurd pricing.

They're being played by Play-Asia, and they're completely stupid to the fact. If these people would smarten up and actually direct their anger at the real problem (Koei Tecmo), then maybe we would actually see a western release. Instead, they choose to defend the companies cowardly stance, and go on a pointless rally against a phantom enemy.

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@judaspete said:

A little conflicted here. I don't like seeing stuff censored, but the fact the DOAX series exists, and got sequels makes me embarrassed to be a gamer. Is beating off to video game women actually a thing people do?

Why are you embarrassed to be a gamer because someone chooses to do something with a game you probably won't even play? That's like, being embarrassed watching a family movie because someone out there is watching a porno movie, or embarrassed reading Jane Austen because someone out there is reading E.L. James...

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That's exactly what I'm saying. They don't want to deal with the PR, because they are in fact chickenshit. However, what you propose in #3 makes a lot of sense. This could all be a PR stunt to drum up sales and if that is the case, then it's entirely the SJW's fault for creating the social climate regarding sexism and misogyny in video games in the first place. This narrative didn't exist in the same level it did 10 years ago when the first two games came out. Again, you'd have to really be blind not to see the shift today. So, if #3 is true, they're capitalizing on SJWs. They're getting them to drum up interest and free advertising, so when they make their announcement that it's coming to the states, it will be received even better by people who wish to buy the game to "stick it to the SJWs".

If the SJWs weren't around, Koei Tecmo would have just released the game, knowing from the start it will sell more in the States than any other region. Since the SJWs are around, though, and #3 is true, than they're being used as a PR stunt. Regardless if Koei is just being koi about releasing the game or if they're actually exploiting weak-minded individuals, the fact of the matter is that SJWs are partly to blame for the game not releasing here. You state that carry no blame whatsoever, and I argue that isn't the case. You state that they aren't releasing it simply because it just won't sell, and I argue that isn't case.

That's a bit like saying that it's cancer victims' faults for me running a charity scam. I mean, sure I could set up a fake charity that preys on peoples' sympathies for cancer victims, and then I run away with the money. And sure, technically I wouldn't be able to pull off a cancer charity scam if there weren't actually people suffering from cancer. Sure, technically they're the root source of the conditions that allowed the scam to happen. But I also think that's kind of a ridiculous way to look at it. The cancer victims never fucking told anyone to use their plight for personal gain. That's still pretty much all on the guy running the charity scam.

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@MrGeezer said:
@JustPlainLucas said:

That's exactly what I'm saying. They don't want to deal with the PR, because they are in fact chickenshit. However, what you propose in #3 makes a lot of sense. This could all be a PR stunt to drum up sales and if that is the case, then it's entirely the SJW's fault for creating the social climate regarding sexism and misogyny in video games in the first place. This narrative didn't exist in the same level it did 10 years ago when the first two games came out. Again, you'd have to really be blind not to see the shift today. So, if #3 is true, they're capitalizing on SJWs. They're getting them to drum up interest and free advertising, so when they make their announcement that it's coming to the states, it will be received even better by people who wish to buy the game to "stick it to the SJWs".

If the SJWs weren't around, Koei Tecmo would have just released the game, knowing from the start it will sell more in the States than any other region. Since the SJWs are around, though, and #3 is true, than they're being used as a PR stunt. Regardless if Koei is just being koi about releasing the game or if they're actually exploiting weak-minded individuals, the fact of the matter is that SJWs are partly to blame for the game not releasing here. You state that carry no blame whatsoever, and I argue that isn't the case. You state that they aren't releasing it simply because it just won't sell, and I argue that isn't case.

That's a bit like saying that it's cancer victims' faults for me running a charity scam. I mean, sure I could set up a fake charity that preys on peoples' sympathies for cancer victims, and then I run away with the money. And sure, technically I wouldn't be able to pull off a cancer charity scam if there weren't actually people suffering from cancer. Sure, technically they're the root source of the conditions that allowed the scam to happen. But I also think that's kind of a ridiculous way to look at it. The cancer victims never fucking told anyone to use their plight for personal gain. That's still pretty much all on the guy running the charity scam.

Except a charity scammer takes money that was supposed to be allocated to victims to improve their quality of life while here, it's a company that's just trying to sell more copies of a game. Yes, the company makes more money from it, but people who weren't interested in the game who bought it just to support creative expression might actually find themselves having fun with it, so there's a positive outcome. Also, cancer is a serious issue, whereas fending off games with boobs isn't. SJWs like to think they're fighting a good fight, but it's fabricated nonsense. It's also a very one-sided fight, because no men rail against something like Magic Mike. I've never once heard a man complain that Magic Mike was being released in American theaters. Everyone I talked to simply said they weren't going to watch it and it was that simple. But you have SJWs who have actively gone out to get games that have a sexism towards women removed from stores such as Target over in Australia. They try to block people's right to access something they aren't even interested in to begin with. I guess in a way, that kind of thinking is a cancer so your analogy comes full circle.

I concede.

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@JustPlainLucas said:

Except a charity scammer takes money that was supposed to be allocated to victims to improve their quality of life while here, it's a company that's just trying to sell more copies of a game. Yes, the company makes more money from it, but people who weren't interested in the game who bought it just to support creative expression might actually find themselves having fun with it, so there's a positive outcome. Also, cancer is a serious issue, whereas fending off games with boobs isn't. SJWs like to think they're fighting a good fight, but it's fabricated nonsense. It's also a very one-sided fight, because no men rail against something like Magic Mike. I've never once heard a man complain that Magic Mike was being released in American theaters. Everyone I talked to simply said they weren't going to watch it and it was that simple. But you have SJWs who have actively gone out to get games that have a sexism towards women removed from stores such as Target over in Australia. They try to block people's right to access something they aren't even interested in to begin with. I guess in a way, that kind of thinking is a cancer so your analogy comes full circle.

I concede.

Doesn't matter if "social justice" is fabricated nonsense or a pointless cause, the point is that they're not responsible for peoples' reactions to them. They didn't tell gamers to hate them so much that they're willing to throw their money away on shit that they don't want just to make a political statement. They aren't forcing gamers to be so stupid that they can't see that they're getting played by companies trying to cash in on the social justice fad. Some guy might make a slightly racist comment to me at the bar, but it's not his fault when I smash a bottle over his head. I had a lot of options I could have taken, and even if he was an asshole he didn't make me choose the option that ends with someone's nose broken.

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@MrGeezer: Its for a good cause though, so its worth it. I might even donate more just to make the boycotting SJWs madder. Ive already bought me an Amiibo from them and im looking to buy a N3DS Face Plate next. Play-Asia has an awesome store. Ive found heaven.

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@mesome713 said:

@MrGeezer: Its for a good cause though, so its worth it. I might even donate more just to make the boycotting SJWs madder. Ive already bought me an Amiibo from them and im looking to buy a N3DS Face Plate next. Play-Asia has an awesome store. Ive found heaven.

It's not only SJW's boycotting them and buying stuff from other importing sites. People who actually supported them in the past that saw the tweets they made recently are boycotting them.There could have advertised the game in a different way.

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@super600: Let them join, the more the merrier. Its nice to have a company stand up to the wannabe dictators. Its nice to hear that freedom bell ring, it brings joy to the soul.

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@MrGeezer said:
@JustPlainLucas said:

Except a charity scammer takes money that was supposed to be allocated to victims to improve their quality of life while here, it's a company that's just trying to sell more copies of a game. Yes, the company makes more money from it, but people who weren't interested in the game who bought it just to support creative expression might actually find themselves having fun with it, so there's a positive outcome. Also, cancer is a serious issue, whereas fending off games with boobs isn't. SJWs like to think they're fighting a good fight, but it's fabricated nonsense. It's also a very one-sided fight, because no men rail against something like Magic Mike. I've never once heard a man complain that Magic Mike was being released in American theaters. Everyone I talked to simply said they weren't going to watch it and it was that simple. But you have SJWs who have actively gone out to get games that have a sexism towards women removed from stores such as Target over in Australia. They try to block people's right to access something they aren't even interested in to begin with. I guess in a way, that kind of thinking is a cancer so your analogy comes full circle.

I concede.

Doesn't matter if "social justice" is fabricated nonsense or a pointless cause, the point is that they're not responsible for peoples' reactions to them. They didn't tell gamers to hate them so much that they're willing to throw their money away on shit that they don't want just to make a political statement. They aren't forcing gamers to be so stupid that they can't see that they're getting played by companies trying to cash in on the social justice fad. Some guy might make a slightly racist comment to me at the bar, but it's not his fault when I smash a bottle over his head. I had a lot of options I could have taken, and even if he was an asshole he didn't make me choose the option that ends with someone's nose broken.

Actually, he is somewhat responsible for his broken nose. Had he not flung a racist comment towards you, you wouldn't have reacted. It's called provocation. Yes, you had other options, but because you were provoked, you reacted. Honestly, though, if SJWs would stop making mountains out of molehills, this entire ordeal would have never happened.

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@super600 said:
@mesome713 said:

@MrGeezer: Its for a good cause though, so its worth it. I might even donate more just to make the boycotting SJWs madder. Ive already bought me an Amiibo from them and im looking to buy a N3DS Face Plate next. Play-Asia has an awesome store. Ive found heaven.

It's not only SJW's boycotting them and buying stuff from other importing sites. People who actually supported them in the past that saw the tweets they made recently are boycotting them.There could have advertised the game in a different way.

I doubt many of outrage/overreact SJWs shop there to begin with...more like word of mouth/internet twits spread & all the SJWs all coming out sayin bla bla we won't support etc. :P

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I'll leave this here

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@JustPlainLucas said:
@judaspete said:

A little conflicted here. I don't like seeing stuff censored, but the fact the DOAX series exists, and got sequels makes me embarrassed to be a gamer. Is beating off to video game women actually a thing people do?

Why are you embarrassed to be a gamer because someone chooses to do something with a game you probably won't even play? That's like, being embarrassed watching a family movie because someone out there is watching a porno movie, or embarrassed reading Jane Austen because someone out there is reading E.L. James...

You make a good point, but the porn analogy is not quite 1 to 1. I don't think there is anything weird about wanting to see real people naked, our brains are hard wired to be attracted to other humans. But wanting to see video game or cartoon people naked, or in DoA's case in bikinis, just seems odd to me. But hey, if some people are into that, then I hope the game gets localized for their sakes. Or they could just import it, since the story probably isn't important.

As to your other point, sure I don't have to play DoAX. I do like the fighting games though, so I am still somewhat associated with it. Fairly or not.

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#223  Edited By JangoWuzHere
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I'll leave this here

Again, who are these people trying to stop DOAX3 from releasing in the west. These idiots are complaining about an enemy which does not exist.

Also lol ReviewTechUsa

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@judaspete said:
@JustPlainLucas said:
@judaspete said:

A little conflicted here. I don't like seeing stuff censored, but the fact the DOAX series exists, and got sequels makes me embarrassed to be a gamer. Is beating off to video game women actually a thing people do?

Why are you embarrassed to be a gamer because someone chooses to do something with a game you probably won't even play? That's like, being embarrassed watching a family movie because someone out there is watching a porno movie, or embarrassed reading Jane Austen because someone out there is reading E.L. James...

You make a good point, but the porn analogy is not quite 1 to 1. I don't think there is anything weird about wanting to see real people naked, our brains are hard wired to be attracted to other humans. But wanting to see video game or cartoon people naked, or in DoA's case in bikinis, just seems odd to me. But hey, if some people are into that, then I hope the game gets localized for their sakes. Or they could just import it, since the story probably isn't important.

As to your other point, sure I don't have to play DoAX. I do like the fighting games though, so I am still somewhat associated with it. Fairly or not.

It shouldn't be odd to you. It is natural to be aroused by virtual depictions of sex. Your brain is hard-wired to recognize things that are drawn and rendered as being based on real life. For instance, when you look at a beautiful landscape painting, does that not make you want to go out hiking or camping? The canvas is nothing but smears oil-based paints, but your brain is smart enough to recognize it as trees and leaves, rocks and water, sky and clouds. You automatically think of nature when you see something like that. Well, you automatically think of sex when you see it virtual or cartoon form. Again, perfectly natural. Also... there is a group who would label you as a pervert for wanting to see real people naked...

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After skimming through this thread I have concluded that none of you guys have any social interactions with women IRL.

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@MrGeezer: Its for a good cause though, so its worth it. I might even donate more just to make the boycotting SJWs madder. Ive already bought me an Amiibo from them and im looking to buy a N3DS Face Plate next. Play-Asia has an awesome store. Ive found heaven.

I needs this.

You realize you could do that anyway if the game was getting a western release, right? Whether you're buying the game for the game or because you want to piss off the SJW's, you could do BOTH of those things if Koei Tecmo hadn't decided not to release the game in the west. So all you're really doing is paying more for an import in order to achieve the exact same result.

And yeah, if they weren't releasing the game because they think there's not enough of a market, that's fair. I mean, companies are out to make money, so of course they won't release it here if they think there's not enough of a market for it. That sucks but it's totally understandable.

But if they think there's a market for it and they're not releasing it because they're afraid of some SJW's talking mean about them? Dude, if I actually had any interest in this game, I would be PISSED OFF at Koei Tecmo if that were the case. Actually wanting the game is even MORE reason to be pissed off at Koei Tecmo, because they'd be deliberately shutting off a major part of the market and forcing fans to pay more on imports if they want to play the game, and all solely because they're too chickenshit to hear some people talk mean about them. Dude, if I were a fan of this series or otherwise had any interest in this game, I would be pissed off at Koei Tecmo for being chickenshit little cowards.

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Actually, he is somewhat responsible for his broken nose. Had he not flung a racist comment towards you, you wouldn't have reacted. It's called provocation. Yes, you had other options, but because you were provoked, you reacted. Honestly, though, if SJWs would stop making mountains out of molehills, this entire ordeal would have never happened.

And by that same token, if people would stop getting cancer then there wouldn't be shady scumbags scamming people out of money by setting up scam cancer charities.

Cause and effect, dude. If that's the mere extent of what you mean by the SJW's being partly at fault, then that's technically true, but it's also sort of a ridiculous and superfluous standard. There's no accounting for how people react. By that logic, a black man could get elected president, having a black man as a president then results in hate groups becoming more vocal, so technically a black man becoming president is responsible for hate groups becoming more vocal. Technically blacks are responsible for anti-black racism, because if there weren't any blacks then there wouldn't be any reason for anyone to hate them. That's sort of what this amounts to. You're sort of saying that SJW's are to blame for this solely because theyexist. Well gee, I guess that's technically true in a way, but it's still sort of a silly thing to say.

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@MrGeezer said:
@mesome713 said:

@MrGeezer: Its for a good cause though, so its worth it. I might even donate more just to make the boycotting SJWs madder. Ive already bought me an Amiibo from them and im looking to buy a N3DS Face Plate next. Play-Asia has an awesome store. Ive found heaven.

I needs this.

You realize you could do that anyway if the game was getting a western release, right? Whether you're buying the game for the game or because you want to piss off the SJW's, you could do BOTH of those things if Koei Tecmo hadn't decided not to release the game in the west. So all you're really doing is paying more for an import in order to achieve the exact same result.

And yeah, if they weren't releasing the game because they think there's not enough of a market, that's fair. I mean, companies are out to make money, so of course they won't release it here if they think there's not enough of a market for it. That sucks but it's totally understandable.

But if they think there's a market for it and they're not releasing it because they're afraid of some SJW's talking mean about them? Dude, if I actually had any interest in this game, I would be PISSED OFF at Koei Tecmo if that were the case. Actually wanting the game is even MORE reason to be pissed off at Koei Tecmo, because they'd be deliberately shutting off a major part of the market and forcing fans to pay more on imports if they want to play the game, and all solely because they're too chickenshit to hear some people talk mean about them. Dude, if I were a fan of this series or otherwise had any interest in this game, I would be pissed off at Koei Tecmo for being chickenshit little cowards.

I just want to order it cause i cant buy that face plate in America. Its a great price from Play-Asia. If it were available in America i would buy it, but since its not im just gonna order it from them. They have some awesome stuff, they have some of the rarest Plush Dolls i have ever seen. Its just too hard to choose.

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#229  Edited By KungfuKitten
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@JangoWuzHere said:
@GameboyTroy said:

I'll leave this here

Again, who are these people trying to stop DOAX3 from releasing in the west. These idiots are complaining about an enemy which does not exist.

Also lol ReviewTechUsa

I don't think it's wrong to be concerned about feminist extremists influencing our hobby. They do exist as we have seen not that long ago. And they do have a very clear sway when it comes to the media.
I could see a developer not releasing a game to avoid some feminist extremist uprising. But that doesn't look to be the case here. It's understandable to make that assumption though, especially when KOEI themselves say it has to do with how we think about women in games.

I get MrGeezers point, gamers don't vote with their wallets and the way they purchase games has an influence on the industry. DLC, Nintendo. But I'm not sure he gets the point the others make. I do think we have to be cautious that these extremists don't get to influence what games are released. And what we see here are people who are concerned.
@MrGeezer I think that you're correct that this is just a marketing ploy though. This is getting a lot of attention, probably more than if it were just released like always.

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@mesome713 said:

I just want to order it cause i cant buy that face plate in America. Its a great price from Play-Asia. If it were available in America i would buy it, but since its not im just gonna order it from them.

I understand getting it however possible. I'm just saying that IF they think there's a market for it in the west and IF they decided not to release it because they're afraid of backlash from some SJW's, that's far more reason to be mad at Koei Tecmo than it is to be mad at SJW's.

Sure the SJW's would complain about it. But firstly, not releasing it in the west DOESN'T keep SJW's from talking badly about it. Just as fans can import it, HATERS can import it too and tear it to shreds just as if it had actually gotten a proper western release. So if the intent was to keep SJW's from talking mean about the game, not releasing it in the west accomplishes nothing. It's STILL fair game for any angry SJW with an axe to grind.

So Koei Tecmo allegedly withdrew their product from a better-selling territory in order to avoid backlash from SJW's, even though not releasing the game in the west cannot possibly stop a backlash from SJW's. Again...if fans can import it, then so can SJW's. So this is totally ineffectual in their alleged goal of keeping the SJW meanies from talking bad about them. The ONLY thing it accomplishes is causing actual fans to have to pay more for the game, and causing Koei Tecmo to lose sales. How is that in ANYONE'S best interests, dude? That's stupid on all fronts, and it was Koei Tecmo's decision. If anyone deserves people to be angry about them, it's Koei Tecmo, not the SJW's. SJW's literally can't do shit other than complain about the game, and refusing to release the game in the west doesn't even stop the SJW's from doing that. So you're paying more for a product that supposedly has a market here in the west, and the sole reason for that (people not being mean to Koei Tecmo) isn't even a feasible result. It's literally the EXACT same result, only you pay more. Assuming Koei Tecmo doesn't backpedal and announce a western release later, this doesn't benefit fans OR Koei Tecmo. The ONLY one it possibly benefits is the SJW's, because at least then that DOES limit sales in the west. Sure you can import it, but it won't be in major retailers like Wal-Mart. That absolutely puts a dent in sales, which means a win for any SJW who actually hates the game and doesn't want it released.

Now, granted, my theory is that Koei Tecmo will reverse their decision and the game will get a proper western release. I'm speculating that this is just a marketing ploy to increase sales. But assuming that they don't reverse their decision, and the actual game is only available in the west as an import, how the **** does the anger fall on the SJW's rather than on Koei Tecmo themselves?

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I don't think it's wrong to be concerned about feminist extremists influencing our hobby. They do exist as we have seen not that long ago. And they do have a very clear sway when it comes to the media.

I could see a developer not releasing a game to avoid some feminist extremist uprising. But that doesn't look to be the case here. It's understandable to make that assumption though, especially when KOEI themselves say it has to do with how we think about women in games.

I get MrGeezers point, gamers don't vote with their wallets and the way they purchase games has an influence on the industry. DLC, Nintendo. But I'm not sure he gets the point the others make. I do think we have to be cautious that these extremists don't get to influence what games are released.

I'm saying that unless this is just a marketing ploy to increase sales, and that Koei Tecmo always intended to release the game in the west anyway and are just trying to hype it up as "the game that the SJW's don't want you to have", then the ONLY ones this benefits is the actual SJW's.

And I'm not taking a stance on SJW's one way or the other. But assuming that some people absolutely loathe SJW's, how the hell is this a mark on the SJW's and not a giant bad mark on Koei Tecmo?Yes, western audiences can still get the game, but making it import only WILL reduce sales if there was actually any decent market for this game in the west anyway. So Koei Tecmo allegedly decided to screw themselves out of profits, make actual fans pay more, and reduce sales of the game. The ONLY ones this benefits are the people who don't want the game to sell well, aka the "SJW's".

So, assuming that you hate the SJW's and want to make a political stand against them, why the hell should you NOT direct your anger towards Koei Tecmo for doing something that could potentially be of benefit to ONLY the SJW's? Even if you absolutely LOATHE the SJW's, Koei Tecmo is voluntarily giving the SJW's exactly what the SJW's want, while simultaneously screwing themselves and fans out of money.

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@KungfuKitten said:
@JangoWuzHere said:
@GameboyTroy said:

I'll leave this here

Again, who are these people trying to stop DOAX3 from releasing in the west. These idiots are complaining about an enemy which does not exist.

Also lol ReviewTechUsa

I don't think it's wrong to be concerned about feminist extremists influencing our hobby. They do exist as we have seen not that long ago.

I could see a developer not releasing a game to avoid some feminist extremist uprising. But that doesn't look to be the case here. It's understandable to make that assumption though, especially when KOEI themselves say it has to do with how we think about women in games.

I get MrGeezers point, gamers don't vote with their wallets and the way they purchase games has an influence on the industry. DLC, Nintendo. But I'm not sure he gets the point the others make. I do think we have to be cautious that these psycho's don't get to influence what games are released.

That Koei post was posted by a single community manager and was deleted shortly after it was written. It's hardly a representation of the company at large. However, that didn't stop Play-Asia from generating some grand conspiracy that feminists are taking away your video games. And worse yet, people were dumb enough to believe them.

Also, feminist extremist UPRISING....really? That just sounds like fox news fear mongering level of bullshit. Even if there was a vocal group negatively influencing the hobby (which I think is bullshit, but whatever), then that attention and anger should be focused on the developers and publishers who give into that pressure. If Koei Tecmo refused to release DOAX3 because of feminist criticism, then they are fucking pussies, end of discussion. Instead of defending these corporations from "SJW" criticism, people should be rallying against them. There are far worse things being released in other mediums. Our TV commercials have exploitive bullshit all the time. A sexy beach volleyball game isn't going to collapse the industry.

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@super600: Rubbish. Who is boycotting Playasia because of their position on SJWs, other than SJWs? People are either an SJW, or they are fed up of them. No one is joining the little crusade.

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#234  Edited By KungfuKitten
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Haha I don't have a kind of anger or hate cannon that I can aim at people to make them disappear, although that would be really cool. This world would be very peaceful.

I'm fine with what KOEI is doing. They still put English in it, we can still buy it.
The only thing that I have a problem with on their end is IF this is just some marketing ploy, that is below the belt. IF the community manager said it was about women in gaming, and it isn't, then that's a mistake of the community manager. That wouldn't be a big deal to me. And IF they scared away from feminist extremists I can understand that, I would not like that, but I don't think that that's the case.

So my hate cannon is pretty low on ammo. I do think that most of the response was made out of a legitimate concern for our hobby.

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@MrGeezer said:
@mesome713 said:

I just want to order it cause i cant buy that face plate in America. Its a great price from Play-Asia. If it were available in America i would buy it, but since its not im just gonna order it from them.

I understand getting it however possible. I'm just saying that IF they think there's a market for it in the west and IF they decided not to release it because they're afraid of backlash from some SJW's, that's far more reason to be mad at Koei Tecmo than it is to be mad at SJW's.

Sure the SJW's would complain about it. But firstly, not releasing it in the west DOESN'T keep SJW's from talking badly about it. Just as fans can import it, HATERS can import it too and tear it to shreds just as if it had actually gotten a proper western release. So if the intent was to keep SJW's from talking mean about the game, not releasing it in the west accomplishes nothing. It's STILL fair game for any angry SJW with an axe to grind.

So Koei Tecmo allegedly withdrew their product from a better-selling territory in order to avoid backlash from SJW's, even though not releasing the game in the west cannot possibly stop a backlash from SJW's. Again...if fans can import it, then so can SJW's. So this is totally ineffectual in their alleged goal of keeping the SJW meanies from talking bad about them. The ONLY thing it accomplishes is causing actual fans to have to pay more for the game, and causing Koei Tecmo to lose sales. How is that in ANYONE'S best interests, dude? That's stupid on all fronts, and it was Koei Tecmo's decision. If anyone deserves people to be angry about them, it's Koei Tecmo, not the SJW's. SJW's literally can't do shit other than complain about the game, and refusing to release the game in the west doesn't even stop the SJW's from doing that. So you're paying more for a product that supposedly has a market here in the west, and the sole reason for that (people not being mean to Koei Tecmo) isn't even a feasible result. It's literally the EXACT same result, only you pay more. Assuming Koei Tecmo doesn't backpedal and announce a western release later, this doesn't benefit fans OR Koei Tecmo. The ONLY one it possibly benefits is the SJW's, because at least then that DOES limit sales in the west. Sure you can import it, but it won't be in major retailers like Wal-Mart. That absolutely puts a dent in sales, which means a win for any SJW who actually hates the game and doesn't want it released.

Now, granted, my theory is that Koei Tecmo will reverse their decision and the game will get a proper western release. I'm speculating that this is just a marketing ploy to increase sales. But assuming that they don't reverse their decision, and the actual game is only available in the west as an import, how the **** does the anger fall on the SJW's rather than on Koei Tecmo themselves?

Im just thankful for Play-Asia for bringing us things that we cant buy otherwise, thats something i love to support. SJWs can go do what they want, i dont care to hear their whining, but they are free to whine. They can continue to boycott and complain about censoring games as much as they want, but i will support what i want by buying what i want however i can.

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@KungfuKitten: Well I may be wrong, but I highly suspect that that's exactly what's going on here. Unless this game really does sell so poorly in the west that it's not worth releasing here regardless of SJW criticism (and Justplainlucas disagrees with that, and I'm not gonna take the time to try to dispute his research into previous sales), then the ONLY thing that makes the slightest bit of sense is that this is a calculated marketing ploy to increase sales.

Again...if the games just plain don't sell in the west, then THAT'S why it's not getting released here. There is zero reason to bring SJW's into this, because Koei Tecmo wouldn't give a **** about SJW's bashing the game if the game were actually selling.

And if the games do sell in the west, then it doesn't make ANY sense for Koei Tecmo to refuse to release the game in order to keep SJW's from talking shit. ESPECIALLY when pulling the game from western territories doesn't even keep SJW's from talking shit. SJW's can import the game and talk shit anyway, only now Koei Tecmo is also losing out on sales.

So yes, those are the two options. Either the games just don't sell in the west and Koei Tecmo wasn't going to release this game in the west anyway, or it is TOTALLY a calculated marketing move to increase sales. Those are the only two possibilities that make the slightest bit of sense. I don't even think "they're chickenshit cowards" to really be a realistic option, because I don't think they're stupid enough to turn down a shitload of money just because they're afraid of people talking badly about them.

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#237 JustPlainLucas
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@MrGeezer said:
@JustPlainLucas said:

Actually, he is somewhat responsible for his broken nose. Had he not flung a racist comment towards you, you wouldn't have reacted. It's called provocation. Yes, you had other options, but because you were provoked, you reacted. Honestly, though, if SJWs would stop making mountains out of molehills, this entire ordeal would have never happened.

And by that same token, if people would stop getting cancer then there wouldn't be shady scumbags scamming people out of money by setting up scam cancer charities.

Cause and effect, dude. If that's the mere extent of what you mean by the SJW's being partly at fault, then that's technically true, but it's also sort of a ridiculous and superfluous standard. There's no accounting for how people react. By that logic, a black man could get elected president, having a black man as a president then results in hate groups becoming more vocal, so technically a black man becoming president is responsible for hate groups becoming more vocal. Technically blacks are responsible for anti-black racism, because if there weren't any blacks then there wouldn't be any reason for anyone to hate them. That's sort of what this amounts to. You're sort of saying that SJW's are to blame for this solely because theyexist. Well gee, I guess that's technically true in a way, but it's still sort of a silly thing to say.

It's not exactly the same token, though. You can't help it if you have cancer. You can't help it if you're black. You can, however, help from being closed-minded when it comes to the topic of women in video games. This is the problem with the SJW mentality. Instead of simply ignoring what they don't like, they go after companies and retail outlets to block the sales of games and then go after the people who buy them, and then go after the games themselves with bad reviews to try to pressure developers into censoring future games. (and yes, if you give into that pressure, you're chickenshit).

You can't be held accountable for who you are, but you can be held accountable for how you act. This wasn't an issue 10 years ago. It is now, and it's even stupider because this issue doesn't exist in literature and film. It's always comics and video games that draw SJW's ire for whatever reason.

By the way, I do hold Koei Tecmo accountable as well. Regardless if they're just cared of the bad PR, or are pulling a PR stunt, it's bullshit that the game isn't coming here.

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@MrGeezer said:

@KungfuKitten: Well I may be wrong, but I highly suspect that that's exactly what's going on here. Unless this game really does sell so poorly in the west that it's not worth releasing here regardless of SJW criticism (and Justplainlucas disagrees with that, and I'm not gonna take the time to try to dispute his research into previous sales), then the ONLY thing that makes the slightest bit of sense is that this is a calculated marketing ploy to increase sales.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=dead+or+alive+xtreme

Sorry, I should have provided a link back when I was debating that point, but that was me being lazy.

So at a glance, the franchise has sold 840,000 units globally and roughly 500k of that was here in the States.

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@JustPlainLucas said:
@MrGeezer said:

@KungfuKitten: Well I may be wrong, but I highly suspect that that's exactly what's going on here. Unless this game really does sell so poorly in the west that it's not worth releasing here regardless of SJW criticism (and Justplainlucas disagrees with that, and I'm not gonna take the time to try to dispute his research into previous sales), then the ONLY thing that makes the slightest bit of sense is that this is a calculated marketing ploy to increase sales.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=dead+or+alive+xtreme

Sorry, I should have provided a link back when I was debating that point, but that was me being lazy.

So at a glance, the franchise has sold 840,000 units globally and roughly 500k of that was here in the States.

A couple points on that data:

1) The first game sold better than the second game by a wide margin (590k global versus 250k global).

2) Yes, they did sell better in the NA territory (at least according to VGCharts) but they also were Microsoft platform exclusive. Xbox and Xbox game sales have traditionally been poor in Japan.

3) "Voyeuristic" games have been a thing in Japan for a long time but most of them never make it stateside, presumably because (just like with visual novel games) there's far less of an audience for them over here. If you look through the PS2 library there were plenty of "photographer" games, dating games, "virtual girl" games, etc that never even came close to a US release.

This is a game that will probably do decently in Japan because that's where the biggest audience for this kind of game is (and why Japan keeps making these games and then not exporting them). Now that it's on Sony's platform and not Microsoft, I imagine the overall sales of this one (provided the game itself doesn't turn out to be complete dogshit) will probably be better than the last two games, maybe even combined.

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@Byshop: If i were them i would second think releasing it to the US now, with SJWs actually trying to boycott Play-Asia for using the word SJWs this could be a lot of free advertising for a game that would otherwise get barely any coverage at all.

They even rallied to try and get the tweeter fired until they discovered it was a CEO who tweeted it and it all backfired. Its amazing how big of a blow Gamers have actually done to these SJWs, i never thought it would be them to do it.

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So on this whole thing I have a few thoughts:

1) Where were all these cries for "freedom of art and expression" when Gone Home came out?

2) Japanese game companies choose not to bring games over all the time and for many different reasons. While I have no reason to not take their statement about why they aren't bringing it over at face value, they could just as easily be blaming potential criticism as a scapegoat or oversimplification of a larger/different issue. At the end of the day, companies only really care about whether they'll make money at something. It's not like Team Ninja is going to suddenly be the favorite studio of feminists by not bringing this game over based on their history, and regardless of which side of the fence you are on about the portrayal of women in video games I doubt feminists if video gaming have enough clout yet to really influence sales of most any game. Even if the reason they say is exactly the reason they aren't bringing it over, I disagree with them that the negative impact would outweigh the sales if that is indeed the only reason they aren't bringing it out here.

3) This will still be super easy to get for anyone who wants it because an English language version was produced (presumably for Europe) and PS4s don't use region coding.

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@Byshop: Yeah, i think the ideal to release the English version was very smart, it upset a lot of SJWs and caused massive boycotts from big time critics. Now they have a chance to launch with a bigger platform and be heard by many, i would release the game the same day as the Japan release. Would be wise to take advantage of this situation, the SJWs fell right into the trap.

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@Byshop said:
@JustPlainLucas said:
@MrGeezer said:

@KungfuKitten: Well I may be wrong, but I highly suspect that that's exactly what's going on here. Unless this game really does sell so poorly in the west that it's not worth releasing here regardless of SJW criticism (and Justplainlucas disagrees with that, and I'm not gonna take the time to try to dispute his research into previous sales), then the ONLY thing that makes the slightest bit of sense is that this is a calculated marketing ploy to increase sales.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=dead+or+alive+xtreme

Sorry, I should have provided a link back when I was debating that point, but that was me being lazy.

So at a glance, the franchise has sold 840,000 units globally and roughly 500k of that was here in the States.

A couple points on that data:

1) The first game sold better than the second game by a wide margin (590k global versus 250k global).

2) Yes, they did sell better in the NA territory (at least according to VGCharts) but they also were Microsoft platform exclusive. Xbox and Xbox game sales have traditionally been poor in Japan.

3) "Voyeuristic" games have been a thing in Japan for a long time but most of them never make it stateside, presumably because (just like with visual novel games) there's far less of an audience for them over here. If you look through the PS2 library there were plenty of "photographer" games, dating games, "virtual girl" games, etc that never even came close to a US release.

This is a game that will probably do decently in Japan because that's where the biggest audience for this kind of game is (and why Japan keeps making these games and then not exporting them). Now that it's on Sony's platform and not Microsoft, I imagine the overall sales of this one (provided the game itself doesn't turn out to be complete dogshit) will probably be better than the last two games, maybe even combined.

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Which is a reason why I'd like to see it here in the States. I want to see how it being on Sony platforms would sell both in the States and in Japan in comparison to how it sold on MS platforms. Regardless, however, 500k Americans playing the previous two SHOULD suggest to Koei that there is some kind of market to make a bit of money from.

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3) This will still be super easy to get for anyone who wants it because an English language version was produced (presumably for Europe) and PS4s don't use region coding.

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Super easy to get, but also a bit more pricey. Hmm... I just had a thought. Wouldn't you be able to edit your PSN account profile and select your region as UK and access the UK PSN store? You'd be able to simply download the game and avoid having to pay the import fees, right?

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@JustPlainLucas: I don't think it's that easy to switch regions for accounts but theoritically you can use a UK account (be it your own or a newly created one) to buy from the UK store. People have done this with Japanese PSN accounts in the past.

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@Byshop: Yeah, i think the ideal to release the English version was very smart, it upset a lot of SJWs and caused massive boycotts from big time critics. Now they have a chance to launch with a bigger platform and be heard by many, i would release the game the same day as the Japan release. Would be wise to take advantage of this situation, the SJWs fell right into the trap.

TN announced they wouldn't release the game in the US because of criticism they might recieve over the game's portrayal of women. That was pretty much the end of it besides the debate over how true this was and what it meant for the industry, but then the Play-Asia tweets put a face on one side of the discussion so now there was a target for people on the other side. The negative press has gotten them a lot of attention but could also hurt them in the long run.

If Play-Asia wanted to indicate support for Team Ninja, they could have done it in any number of far more proffesional ways than railing against "SJWs". However, bear in mind that we are also talking about a relatively small privately owned company in Hong Kong so when we use terms like "CEO" they mean something very different from when we are talking about companies like EA, Sony, Microsoft, etc. This guy can probably do whatever the hell he wants so long as he doesn't piss off his customer base and people are free to choose to do business or not do business with them as they see fit.

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@Byshop: There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with social justice whiners. If they took offense, thats on them. Play-Asia spoke their mind and the whiners got mad and decided to boycott Play-Asia. It just proves that SJWs are all about censorship and removing away peoples rights. And they will stop at nothing to achieve their goals, even bullying an import company. Its about the saddest thing you could do. They showed their true colors and theres no turning back.

Nobody would have ever cared that Play-Asia spoke their mind, but when you try to attack and bully a company for their opinion, sorry, thats just dirty. And they wonder why people are upset with them and disagreeing more and more. they keep crying wolf and now people are starting to not listen, they give true feminist, freedom fighters, and equal rights groups a bad name.

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@mesome713: Why is it when everyone says "free speech" they always mean "the opinion I agree with"?

Play-Asia can say what they want and so can the other side, provided neither side is doing something inherently dishonest, intentionally misleading, or illegal. Calling for a boycott of a company is not "bullying" Play-Asia nor is KVO saying he won't do business with them "threatening" them as that one article suggested. They said something that people disagreed with, and those people are free to say and encourage others to do whatever they feel is appropriate. That's free speech.

If Play-Asia's business is hurt by this, that doesn't mean "EMHEGERD! THE SJW-ers ARE WINNING!", that just means that there were more people who probably disagreed with Play-Asia's comments than agreed. If Play-Asia's business is not hurt by this (which I think is the more likely outcome), then that just means that as far as everyone who's part of this conversation there are more people who either agree with or are indifferent to their comments. Bear in mind that people who are neutral on the topic who already shop with Play-Asia will likely continue to do so.

I don't think that any game should be censored, but Team Ninja's decision to not bring it here is not an example of censorship. It's a business decision based on the current climate and how much money they think they can make on it and frankly we'll never know all the reasons. I can point to half a dozen significantly better and far more popular games or installments in game franchises, some of which are already localized into English like the Yakuza HD Collection, which for some unfathomable reason their companies decided not to bring over.

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@Byshop: It is bullying when you call others to boycott a company just because they disagree with you. Thats dirty. Thats censorship and entitlement. There business wont be hurt i can assure you this. Its will only improve their business. Nobody said TN is censoring, just that SJWs whine and try to censor and dictate others all the time. This is nothing new, they always do this bullying and trying to censor peoples work. Hence how they got their name SJWs.

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@mesome713 said:

@Byshop: It is bullying when you call others to boycott a company just because they disagree with you. Thats dirty. Thats censorship and entitlement. There business wont be hurt i can assure you this. Its will only improve their business. Nobody said TN is censoring, just that SJWs whine and try to censor and dictate others all the time. This is nothing new, they always do this bullying and trying to censor peoples work. Hence how they got their name SJWs.

rofl.

No, that's how every boycott in history has worked. That's literally what a boycott is. The difference here is that you don't agree with the reason for the boycott. That's a reason to not participate in it, but it's not a reason to call it dirty or bullying.

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@Byshop said:
@mesome713 said:

@Byshop: It is bullying when you call others to boycott a company just because they disagree with you. Thats dirty. Thats censorship and entitlement. There business wont be hurt i can assure you this. Its will only improve their business. Nobody said TN is censoring, just that SJWs whine and try to censor and dictate others all the time. This is nothing new, they always do this bullying and trying to censor peoples work. Hence how they got their name SJWs.

rofl.

No, that's how every boycott in history has worked. That's literally what a boycott is. The difference here is that you don't agree with the reason for the boycott. That's a reason to not participate in it, but it's not a reason to call it dirty or bullying.

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When you dont agree with someone, then disagree. Dont buy the product, but to try and bully a company into not releasing the product because you hope to hurt them financially and cause harm is bulling so that they will lose so much money they will have to bend to your will. Its entitlement. Its i dont like it so no one gets to like it. Its a lets burn this beast to the ground mentality. They want to destroy the company.

But they can call all their cry baby friends all they want, hate only makes people stronger. If they really wanted change, they would go out and make change.

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@mesome713 said:
@Byshop said:
@mesome713 said:

@Byshop: It is bullying when you call others to boycott a company just because they disagree with you. Thats dirty. Thats censorship and entitlement. There business wont be hurt i can assure you this. Its will only improve their business. Nobody said TN is censoring, just that SJWs whine and try to censor and dictate others all the time. This is nothing new, they always do this bullying and trying to censor peoples work. Hence how they got their name SJWs.

rofl.

No, that's how every boycott in history has worked. That's literally what a boycott is. The difference here is that you don't agree with the reason for the boycott. That's a reason to not participate in it, but it's not a reason to call it dirty or bullying.

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When you dont agree with someone, then disagree. Dont buy the product, but to try and bully a company into not releasing the product because you hope to hurt them financially and cause harm is bulling. Its entitlement. Its i dont like so no one gets to like it. Its a lets burn this beast to the ground mentality.

Again, I don't think you're looking at this from a fair perspective. You already said "_____ behavior is always OK when it's against _____ group" which is obviously a pretty slanted opinion. Nobody bullied Team Ninja into not releasing the game. Hell, very few people had even heard much about it before they said it wasn't coming to the West or Play-Asia's tweets.

As for the game itself, believe me that if this were actually a decent game then there wouldn't even be any discussion. Both previous games got 5s and 6s mostly on review sites and the entire franchise never broke 800k units worldwide. DOA5 alone (not counting all the other games in the franchise) sold 1.5 million copies worldwide so far and had 3.5 million downloads of the F2P version. So while the company is free to make whatever games they want, gamers were pretty clear about the fact that a bikini photo simulator combined with mediocre volleyball and a series of boring minigames isn't what people really want (and both these games came out before the term SJW was even coined so blaming poor sales of those versions on political correctness is silly).

My point is don't jump on the bandwagon for either side. A lot of people respond to any argument around this like Jerry MacGuire with "You had me at 'SJW'" without judging the merit of the individual situation. These games are not very good and sell like crap. DOA has all the boob physics of DOAX but there's acutally a halfway decent game underneath so it sells. The fact that nobody buys these games is why you aren't seeing them over here more than anything else.

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