Does 360 deserves its sucess in America?

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[QUOTE="omho88"] Based on the analogy the PS2 should be selling infinitively, right?omho88

The analogy is for current gen though. PS2 games have alreay been played by most gamers. There are still people who have not bought into this gen so earlier games for 360 and ps3matter to them. Plz stop being so dense.

If you honeslty think the ps2 should keep selling based on that analogy then I would say you are dense. It has the best library for consoles but the games have pretty much been played by everyone, there are not many consumers left who have not played those games.

It came out first, it was cheaper than the ps3. People bought it, then their friends buy it cause their friend had already bought it. End of story.

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The analogy is for current gen though. PS2 games have alreay been played by most gamers. There are still people who have not bought into this gen so earlier games for 360 and ps3matter to them. Plz stop being so dense.

xsatyr86

If you honeslty think the ps2 should keep selling based on that analogy then I would say you are dense. It has the best library for consoles but the games have pretty much been played by everyone, there are not many consumers left who have not played those games.

Well tell that to consumers... Its still selling...

It came out first, it was cheaper than the ps3. People bought it, then their friends buy it cause their friend had already bought it. End of story.

GreyFoXX4

This is all there is too it. Literally...

I don't think it does.

Hardware having a 33% (or whatever) does not deserve success.

However I would say that Americans deserve the 360.

Im curious what you guys think. 360 seems to of really caught on in America, despite having less features and exclusives than PS3. What could it be that attracts American gamer to 360 and what do you think Sony should do to become big with U.S. again. I personally think 360 is riding the coat tails of the sheep effect. There are more reasons to own a PS3 than 360 when they are compared on paper. MS needs to announce some kickass exclusive games because I don't get what U.S. is seeing in 360 as of now. Its like going with just a cup of water and passing up a meal and a cup of water:| Thoughts?

1Stark1

In the grand scheme of things exclusives don't really matter unless they are system sellers. I know in System Wars they are the only thing that matters, but unfortunately real life is a little different.

Reasons the 360 is big in America:

1) Halo

2) MS is a US company (well, perhaps not).

3) Released first, and CoD 2 was a launch game.

4) Promotes CoD as if it was an exclusive franchise.

5) Cheaper than the PS3 (and yes it might be a worse deal overall but at the end of the day you can play nearly every game with a cheaper 360).

6) Americans perhaps on average have more disposable income than other nationalities (this is a massive assumption, and I know that the divide between rich and poor is disgustingly wide).

By they way it is also very popular in the UK.

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Sure it does. It has one of the most impressive libraries there have ever been on a console.

Do you really believe that -_- You're entitled to your opinion, but how old are you?

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Short answer, yes, yes it does. It's an excellent console, and it deserves all the success that it's getting.1Stark1

It is a good console no doubt, but what makes it deserve to top PS3 in U.S.? It has less exclusive franchiss, a last gen disc player, and its AAA games has much less variety than PS3s does.

Two games have defined the Xbox in the U.S., Halo and Call of Duty.

NeonNinja

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[QUOTE="omho88"] This is my 2nd post regarding the analogy, how could I be suddenly so dense?!Urworstnhtmare

If you honeslty think the ps2 should keep selling based on that analogy then I would say you are dense. It has the best library for consoles but the games have pretty much been played by everyone, there are not many consumers left who have not played those games.

Well tell that to consumers... Its still selling...

omho88 was saying based on the analogy it should be the best seller, I never said it was not selling at all. Reading comprehension much?

Sure it does and then some.

The real travesty is Japan seemingly unwilling to support a game console from a company who has it's headquarters in the U.S. :evil:

You have to remember that for a long time PS3 was overpriced, suffered from inferior multiplats and a lack of exclusives. 360 was the natural choice and it snowballed from there. PS3 might have caught up, but 360 is still cheaper and plays most of the same games. American company also knows how to market it to americans.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Short answer, yes, yes it does. It's an excellent console, and it deserves all the success that it's getting.charizard1605

It is a good console no doubt, but what makes it deserve to top PS3 in U.S.? It has less exclusive franchiss, a last gen disc player, and its AAA games has much less variety than PS3s does.

Assassin's Creed is associated with Playstation..and the reason people are buying Xbox 360's more in America is for one reason, it comes in cheaper varieties than the PS3.

No one is buying an Xbox 360 because of Xbox Live or XBLA games. Word of mouth and bombastic advertising is whats keeping the system afloat in the United States. All Sony has to do is give the PS3 a Kinect like advertising campaign and I'm sure they'd sell a lot more systems. But Sony doesn't like to spend more than they are making on the system.

I however do agree that the PS3 has a much better stride than the 360, its managed to aquire mostly all of the 360's past 3rd party exclusive retail games (now multiplatform) and its exclusive retail library seems to be increasing each week with 8.5 and above rated games, while the 360 seems to be relying on only 3 major franchises (Gears of War, Halo and Fable) which is great for Microsoft but terrible for consumers who want more games to choose from.

It came out first, it was cheaper than the ps3. People bought it, then their friends buy it cause their friend had already bought it. End of story.

GreyFoXX4

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It came out first, it was cheaper than the ps3. People bought it, then their friends buy it cause their friend had already bought it. End of story.

EmperorSupreme

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Short answer, yes, yes it does. It's an excellent console, and it deserves all the success that it's getting.Phazevariance

It is a good console no doubt, but what makes it deserve to top PS3 in U.S.? It has less exclusive franchiss, a last gen disc player, and its AAA games has much less variety than PS3s does.

My question to you is, what makes you think Sony should be on top, and what would MS have to do to beat PS3 in Asia?

Casual gamers do not know or care which platform runs multiplatforms better. If they did they'd buy a suped up PC. Kinect is a gimmicky product that is selling based on a successful and massive ad campaign, casual gamers saw these ads and wanted to buy it just because of what they thought it could do. There will never be a Half-Life 2 or a GTA 4 on that thing...its not selling because of its games but on hype.

And the PS2 was the less powerful machine and yet some multiplats sold better (and ran worse) on the PS2 than on the Xbox, care to explain why?...

Sony should be on top because they were forced by Microsoft and Nintendo into lowering the price of the PS3, they did that and now the system is $299 the same price as a 250 GB model of an Xbox 360. I'd be hopeful in thinking consumers would be able to see there is more value in buying a PS3 than a 360 and he games also seem to have a much more broad appeal

-LittleBigPlanet 1 & 2

-Uncharted 1 & 2

-God of War 1, 2 and 3

-Metal Gear Solid 4

-Multiplatform games

Whereas Microsoft seems to rely on pumping out Halo's, attaching their brand logo to 3rd party games passing them off as exclusive, and now with Kinect they're doing the same thing only relying on word of mouth and commercials to sell the device rather than a great library of launch titles

If this is not apparent to you yet, look at the last few press conferences from Microsoft concerning the Xbox 360, all they've done is hype up their sales numbers...and only till GDC did we at least get some Microsoft published XBLA games...

YES...END OF STORY.

time and time again Xbox 360 has survived its haters, its own Mis steps and nay-sayers and delivered the goods. sure, we havent always agreed with their business strategy from time to time, but thats why they are selling Billions of dollars in software in hardware and were writing about them.

MS and 360 have owned this generation. its just time for the haters to acknowledge this and move on to more happy and productive lives.

PS3 has time and time again fired ALL of their shots across the xbox 360 bow and it has amounted to Nothing....PS Move, a Plethora of Exclusives that dont sell, its all meant nothing.

when a Call of Duty map pack on 360 sells more copies in 24 hours than 1 PS3 exclusive does in 24 months you know as a company that you have the competition by the throat!

MS had all their ducks lined up this gen just like the legendary PS2 did last gen. despite all the 360 hate posts and Sonys best efforts the 360 juggernaut keeps rolling.

let the haters hate.

Exclusives aren't as system selling as they used to be.

outatime557

MS and 360 have owned this generation.

bryn8150

Nintendo and Wii say Hi.

Seriously though, Playstation was late to the party....

YES...END OF STORY.

time and time again Xbox 360 has survived its haters, its own Mis steps and nay-sayers and delivered the goods. sure, we havent always agreed with their business strategy from time to time, but thats why they are selling Billions of dollars in software in hardware and were writing about them.

MS and 360 have owned this generation. its just time for the haters to acknowledge this and move on to more happy and productive lives.

PS3 has time and time again fired ALL of their shots across the xbox 360 bow and it has amounted to Nothing....PS Move, a Plethora of Exclusives that dont sell, its all meant nothing.

when a Call of Duty map pack on 360 sells more copies in 24 hours than 1 PS3 exclusive does in 24 months you know as a company that you have the competition by the throat!

MS had all their ducks lined up this gen just like the legendary PS2 did last gen. despite all the 360 hate posts and Sonys best efforts the 360 juggernaut keeps rolling.

let the haters hate.

bryn8150

LOL, you act as if all 360 exclusives sell well. Also, last time I checked PS3 outsold 360 in 2010. 360 isnt doing as well as youre making it seem.

Yes, in my opinion it very much does- for reasons already explained in this thread numerous times.

Short answer, yes, yes it does. It's an excellent console, and it deserves all the success that it's getting.charizard1605

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YES...END OF STORY.

time and time again Xbox 360 has survived its haters, its own Mis steps and nay-sayers and delivered the goods. sure, we havent always agreed with their business strategy from time to time, but thats why they are selling Billions of dollars in software in hardware and were writing about them.

MS and 360 have owned this generation. its just time for the haters to acknowledge this and move on to more happy and productive lives.

PS3 has time and time again fired ALL of their shots across the xbox 360 bow and it has amounted to Nothing....PS Move, a Plethora of Exclusives that dont sell, its all meant nothing.

when a Call of Duty map pack on 360 sells more copies in 24 hours than 1 PS3 exclusive does in 24 months you know as a company that you have the competition by the throat!

MS had all their ducks lined up this gen just like the legendary PS2 did last gen. despite all the 360 hate posts and Sonys best efforts the 360 juggernaut keeps rolling.

let the haters hate.

1Stark1

LOL, you act as if all 360 exclusives sell well. Also, last time I checked PS3 outsold 360 in 2010. 360 isnt doing as well as youre making it seem.

Im curious what you guys think. 360 seems to of really caught on in America, despite having less features and exclusives than PS3. What could it be that attracts American gamer to 360 and what do you think Sony should do to become big with U.S. again. I personally think 360 is riding the coat tails of the sheep effect. There are more reasons to own a PS3 than 360 when they are compared on paper. MS needs to announce some kickass exclusive games because I don't get what U.S. is seeing in 360 as of now. Its like going with just a cup of water and passing up a meal and a cup of water:| Thoughts?

1Stark1

of course it deserves its success. you wanna know why? cause they didnt charge gamers 600 bucks for a freaking system when it was released.

Yep. It's a great console with a great library of games. :)

Sure it does. MS has managed to secure a great lineup for it.

Yeah. The 360 is great.

Im curious what you guys think. 360 seems to of really caught on in America, despite having less features and exclusives than PS3. What could it be that attracts American gamer to 360 and what do you think Sony should do to become big with U.S. again. I personally think 360 is riding the coat tails of the sheep effect. There are more reasons to own a PS3 than 360 when they are compared on paper. MS needs to announce some kickass exclusive games because I don't get what U.S. is seeing in 360 as of now. Its like going with just a cup of water and passing up a meal and a cup of water:| Thoughts?

1Stark1

1. it came out first, most people bought it first.

2. the xbox revolutionalized online gaming. the first xbox started it, but the 360 made online gaming the standard. (take that with a grain of salt, because it has led to developers abusing dlc)

3. the ps3 is a great system. i actually wish all my friends would quit the xbox train and switch, but thats not gonna happen, so thats why i dont own a ps3 anymore. i prefer gaming with my friends, and they all have xboxes.

4. if they announce zone of the enders 3 or any kind of mgs 1-4 bundle for ps3, well, lets just say i'll switch to the dark side =]

How can people say 360 deserves its success when MS doesn't want to compete when it comes to exclusives:? You guys can say it doesn't matter but don't you guys want exclusives for your machine. I know i want exclusives for my 360. I haven't seen a reason to play it since Alan Wake. I just can't make excuses for companies that ditch its core audience to cater to people that dont really play games. Even Nintendo is delivering the exclusive hard core games. MS has more money, yet they choose to fund a huge campaign for kinect over getting awesome exclusives. If Sony did the same thing, i would bad mouth them as well.

1Stark1

It seems as if you've already formed your own view on the matter, and don't seem to be listening to dissenting opinion. The 360 deserves its success because it has a lot of great games. Additionally, its two flagship franchises, Gears and Halo, are sales monsters. And while I've enjoyed the exclusives on the 360, PS3, and Wii, they're certainly not the be all, end all to me. Most of my favorite games this gen are multiplats. I also prefer XBL to PSN. Its all personal preference.

[QUOTE="vashkey"]Why ask if you wont accept any answer other than "it doesn't".1Stark1

I expressed my opinion and I don't have a problem with others expressing theirs in this thread.

By saying something like "How can people say 360 deserves its success" suggests an unwillingness to accept that some people might have different preferences than you.

It launched a year earlier and PS3 launched at $600 with a bloody awful launch line up, theres your answer.blue_hazy_basic

yep, the way sony came out of the gate ensured doom for the first couple of years. it's now finally catching its wind but it may be too little too late for sony this gen.

i guess i still dont really care about it, not downing it tho

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Im curious what you guys think. 360 seems to of really caught on in America, despite having less features and exclusives than PS3. What could it be that attracts American gamer to 360 and what do you think Sony should do to become big with U.S. again. I personally think 360 is riding the coat tails of the sheep effect. There are more reasons to own a PS3 than 360 when they are compared on paper. MS needs to announce some kickass exclusive games because I don't get what U.S. is seeing in 360 as of now. Its like going with just a cup of water and passing up a meal and a cup of water:| Thoughts?

todd2r

of course it deserves its success. you wanna know why? cause they didnt charge gamers 600 bucks for a freaking system when it was released.

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Two games have defined the Xbox in the U.S., Halo and Call of Duty.

heretrix

No. Instead, MS played it "clever" and decided to charge them $60 a *year* for XBL. It's brilliant really. If you bill customers over the long run instead of all at once.You can get em to pay up even MORE money total without them noticing just how much they've poured in. And for that, strictly from a business perspective, I kind of have to give MS credit.nervmeister

I'm pretty sure most Live subscribers are well aware of how much they have spent on Live by now, it's not like 60 * #years subscribed isa complicated or uncommon calculation.

exclusives arent that big of deal when theres tons of good multiplats

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YES...END OF STORY.

time and time again Xbox 360 has survived its haters, its own Mis steps and nay-sayers and delivered the goods. sure, we havent always agreed with their business strategy from time to time, but thats why they are selling Billions of dollars in software in hardware and were writing about them.

MS and 360 have owned this generation. its just time for the haters to acknowledge this and move on to more happy and productive lives.

PS3 has time and time again fired ALL of their shots across the xbox 360 bow and it has amounted to Nothing....PS Move, a Plethora of Exclusives that dont sell, its all meant nothing.

when a Call of Duty map pack on 360 sells more copies in 24 hours than 1 PS3 exclusive does in 24 months you know as a company that you have the competition by the throat!

MS had all their ducks lined up this gen just like the legendary PS2 did last gen. despite all the 360 hate posts and Sonys best efforts the 360 juggernaut keeps rolling.

let the haters hate.

1Stark1

LOL, you act as if all 360 exclusives sell well. Also, last time I checked PS3 outsold 360 in 2010. 360 isnt doing as well as youre making it seem.

Yes it does. Do you realize that the PS2 was carried by GTA3 being exclusive for most of last gen? What is soo special about the PS3? You realize that the Wii is the #1 system and has less features than both the 360 and the PS3, right?ArchaoN

PS2 was carried by alot of 3rd party games being exclusive

Does the Wii? iPad? Call of Duty? Final Fantasy? or Facebook? I have little interest in any of these, but I simply accept myself as non-mainstream rather than question their deservedness. If the majority of people choosea product or service, the provider has given them what they want and has done something extraordinarily right commercially.

My only criticism of the 360 is the stability of the early versions. I travel a lot and have 4 360's in different apartments. My launch Xenon RROD'ed in the 3rd year and MS fixed it within a week. My Halo edition Zephyr E-74'ed last year and MS gave me a brand new one in 3 days. The Falcon has shown no sign of trouble in the past 3 years doubling as a media player. The Slim works flawlessly except when you get too much grease on the capacitive switch.

I saved about $50 on each console from promotions and sales. The 360 has most of the games I want and the rest are PC exclusives like Civ V, Total Wars, and Starcraft 2 anyway so there is not much I can complain.