Does 360 deserves its sucess in America?

[QUOTE="nervmeister"]No. Instead, MS played it "clever" and decided to charge them $60 a *year* for XBL. It's brilliant really. If you bill customers over the long run instead of all at once.You can get em to pay up even MORE money total without them noticing just how much they've poured in. And for that, strictly from a business perspective, I kind of have to give MS credit.IronBass

I'm pretty sure most Live subscribers are well aware of how much they have spent on Live by now, it's not like 60 * #years subscribed isa complicated or uncommon calculation.

I know how much I've paid, Twelve years of xbox live service *I first signed up at the end of 2002 the first game I played was Unreal championship* I currently have it paid up till 3/2013.

Lets see the first 4 years I paid the 50 dollars a year then in 2004 or 5 I found 6 xbox live starter kits at a goodwill in Hinton,IA for 25 dollars a peice, Since then I've found either retail sales *Local Sears essentials went under and I got a year card for 15 dollars* Or I've taken advantage of Microsoft sales like they had quite a few before and right up to the price increase a year for 30 dollars...etc
In Total I've paid about 400 dollars for 12 years of xbox Live.

*edit reason:Needed to be clearer*

[QUOTE="ArchaoN"]Yes it does. Do you realize that the PS2 was carried by GTA3 being exclusive for most of last gen? What is soo special about the PS3? You realize that the Wii is the #1 system and has less features than both the 360 and the PS3, right?johnnyblazed88

PS2 was carried by alot of 3rd party games being exclusive

Did it ever dawn on anyone that all three consoles are successful? In the age of online connected consoles and there media features bringing in other sources of revenue you don't have to be number 1 anymore to win.headninjadog

The awesome arrogance of asking whether a product, any product, deserves it success amuses me greatly. We live in a capitalistic world. Success is determined by the people buying the product and any productwith decent sales obviously deserves those sales since people bought it. Whether you think that product suits your needs/wants is an entirely different question; but extrapolating from one's personal, and therefore tiny and insignificant point of view, into a generalized perspective of the market is massively egotistical and arrogant. I personally despise Honda Civics, Toyota Corollas and the like, but I would never question whether they deserve their sales success. They are simply serving needs other than mine and I am quite ok with people having needs/wants/opinions/choices other than mine.

[QUOTE="nervmeister"]No. Instead, MS played it "clever" and decided to charge them $60 a *year* for XBL. It's brilliant really. If you bill customers over the long run instead of all at once.You can get em to pay up even MORE money total without them noticing just how much they've poured in. And for that, strictly from a business perspective, I kind of have to give MS credit.IronBass

I'm pretty sure most Live subscribers are well aware of how much they have spent on Live by now, it's not like 60 * #years subscribed isa complicated or uncommon calculation.

Yes. Amazing change compared to the original Xbox.

The awesome arrogance of asking whether a product, any product, deserves it success amuses me greatly. We live in a capitalistic world. Success is determined by the people buying the product and any productwith decent sales obviously deserves those sales since people bought it. Whether you think that product suits your needs/wants is an entirely different question; but extrapolating from one's personal, and therefore tiny and insignificant point of view, into a generalized perspective of the market is massively egotistical and arrogant. I personally despise Honda Civics, Toyota Corollas and the like, but I would never question whether they deserve their sales success. They are simply serving needs other than mine and I am quite ok with people having needs/wants/opinions/choices other than mine.

SUD123456

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[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

Two games have defined the Xbox in the U.S., Halo and Call of Duty.

fadersdream

Gears of War and Mass Effect are great games, but they did not define the Xbox brand to the extent that Halo and Call of Duty did to the mainstream. I'm not listing that Halo and CoD are the only games worth owning on the platform. On the contrary, I hate CoD. But acting like Mass Effect has had a similar effect to MS's brand than Halo and CoD is silly. And to the other guy, I mentioned in an eariler post how Gears of War helped steal Sony's thunder and $600 price tag.

This is the problem with only quoting a sentence out of my posts from the beginning. I made mention of Sony's stumbling at the start of this gen and how MS capitalized on it all. Sony said, "The next gen doesn't start until we say it does." MS releases Gears of War and shuts them up. I know the significance the game played, but it didn't have the overall effect that Halo and Call of Duty now have on the system. That's all.

I hate it when people only quote a sentence. :P

And TC keeps ignoring people's views and then acting like he doesn't want to bash the 360.What gives dude? You ignore legit reasons and keep talking up recent exclusives. Like I said, Sony didn't hit their stride until 2008, so maybe you should be looking at the current line-up as more of an apology for two wasted years of the system's life rather than deserved success as you perceive it.

Yes. Amazing change compared to the original Xbox.

SwagSurf

[QUOTE="fadersdream"][QUOTE="heretrix"]You forgot Gears of War.

NeonNinja

Gears of War and Mass Effect are great games, but they did not define the Xbox brand to the extent that Halo and Call of Duty did to the mainstream. I'm not listing that Halo and CoD are the only games worth owning on the platform. On the contrary, I hate CoD. But acting like Mass Effect has had a similar effect to MS's brand than Halo and CoD is silly. And to the other guy, I mentioned in an eariler post how Gears of War helped steal Sony's thunder and $600 price tag.

This is the problem with only quoting a sentence out of my posts from the beginning. I made mention of Sony's stumbling at the start of this gen and how MS capitalized on it all. Sony said, "The next gen doesn't start until we say it does." MS releases Gears of War and shuts them up. I know the significance the game played, but it didn't have the overall effect that Halo and Call of Duty now have on the system. That's all.

I hate it when people only quote a sentence. :P

And TC keeps ignoring people's views and then acting like he doesn't want to bash the 360.What gives dude? You ignore legit reasons and keep talking up recent exclusives. Like I said, Sony didn't hit their stride until 2008, so maybe you should be looking at the current line-up as more of an apology for two wasted years of the system's life rather than deserved success as you perceive it.

The awesome arrogance of asking whether a product, any product, deserves it success amuses me greatly. We live in a capitalistic world. Success is determined by the people buying the product and any productwith decent sales obviously deserves those sales since people bought it. Whether you think that product suits your needs/wants is an entirely different question; but extrapolating from one's personal, and therefore tiny and insignificant point of view, into a generalized perspective of the market is massively egotistical and arrogant. I personally despise Honda Civics, Toyota Corollas and the like, but I would never question whether they deserve their sales success. They are simply serving needs other than mine and I am quite ok with people having needs/wants/opinions/choices other than mine.

SUD123456

I love threads like these. It shows just how out of touch system warriors are with the real world.

maybe cus they weren't arragant fukers charging 666$ at launchpikachu4475

Moderation incoming!

Anyways, I don't know. It's always good to have more choice in any industry so I guess, yes. It does.

It's cheap, its got good games, great online. What else does it need?

Ok guys I see a lot of strong opinions here and I'l address them as well as I can. First off, Im not a hater. I want all the consoles to do well. As a fan of videogames, who would want a console to fail. Competition is a good thing afterall right. Im not saying 360 doesnt deserve to be successful, because it does. Im saying it doesnt deserve to have its success over PS3 in America. All the consoles are successful and making profit for the company, so no one is failing at all and thats a good thing. I see a lot of posters saying PS3 was released at 600 dollars and thats the reason why PS3 isnt doing as well in America. If thats the case why is PS3 outselling 360 in EU and JP. Dont tell me Americans hold grudges or something, so thats not a legitimate reason. I also see people saying PS3 didnt hit its stride until 2008. PS3 started having great games in 2007, within the first year it released. Also being "late" to catch appeal shouldnt sway people away as evident with 360 and Kinect. My problem with MS position in the U.S. is that theyre the laziest company of the 3 when it comes to getting exclusive games. The laziest should never get the most sales, no matter who it is. Yeah, I know MS was great at exclusives in 2006-07, but for the last 3 years they havent been trying. Theres no way theyre toppling the competition in U.S. based off what they did in the past. Like I said, it must be the word of mouth sheep effect through MS advertisement. Either way, im glad all the systems are succesful. i just feel the ones that try the hardest should be in the high positions in all the markets.

Ok guys I see a lot of strong opinions here and I'l address them as well as I can. First off, Im not a hater. I want all the consoles to do well. As a fan of videogames, who would want a console to fail. Competition is a good thing afterall right. Im not saying 360 doesnt deserve to be successful, because it does. Im saying it doesnt deserve to have its success over PS3 in America. All the consoles are successful and making profit for the company, so no one is failing at all and thats a good thing. I see a lot of posters saying PS3 was released at 600 dollars and thats the reason why PS3 isnt doing as well in America. If thats the case why is PS3 outselling 360 in EU and JP. Dont tell me Americans hold grudges or something, so thats not a legitimate reason. I also see people saying PS3 didnt hit its stride until 2008. PS3 started having great games in 2007, within the first year it released. Also being "late" to catch appeal shouldnt sway people away as evident with 360 and Kinect. My problem with MS position in the U.S. is that theyre the laziest company of the 3 when it comes to getting exclusive games. The laziest should never get the most sales, no matter who it is. Yeah, I know MS was great at exclusives in 2006-07, but for the last 3 years they havent been trying. Theres no way theyre toppling the competition in U.S. based off what they did in the past. Like I said, it must be the word of mouth sheep effect through MS advertisement. Either way, im glad all the systems are succesful. i just feel the ones that try the hardest should be in the high positions in all the markets.

1Stark1

Your logic is very faulty. You think that MS doesn't desever success because you don't like the games or products it sells. Your opinion is in the extreme minority in NA.

Ok guys I see a lot of strong opinions here and I'l address them as well as I can. First off, Im not a hater. I want all the consoles to do well. As a fan of videogames, who would want a console to fail. Competition is a good thing afterall right. Im not saying 360 doesnt deserve to be successful, because it does. Im saying it doesnt deserve to have its success over PS3 in America. All the consoles are successful and making profit for the company, so no one is failing at all and thats a good thing. I see a lot of posters saying PS3 was released at 600 dollars and thats the reason why PS3 isnt doing as well in America. If thats the case why is PS3 outselling 360 in EU and JP. Dont tell me Americans hold grudges or something, so thats not a legitimate reason. I also see people saying PS3 didnt hit its stride until 2008. PS3 started having great games in 2007, within the first year it released. Also being "late" to catch appeal shouldnt sway people away as evident with 360 and Kinect. My problem with MS position in the U.S. is that theyre the laziest company of the 3 when it comes to getting exclusive games. The laziest should never get the most sales, no matter who it is. Yeah, I know MS was great at exclusives in 2006-07, but for the last 3 years they havent been trying. Theres no way theyre toppling the competition in U.S. based off what they did in the past. Like I said, it must be the word of mouth sheep effect through MS advertisement. Either way, im glad all the systems are succesful. i just feel the ones that try the hardest should be in the high positions in all the markets.

1Stark1

what about nintendo this year? huh? i don't see many ripping on nintendo for their abysmal lineup this year and they don't even get the amazing multiplats that are releasing on the 360 ans ps3.

Ok guys I see a lot of strong opinions here and I'l address them as well as I can. First off, Im not a hater. I want all the consoles to do well. As a fan of videogames, who would want a console to fail. Competition is a good thing afterall right. Im not saying 360 doesnt deserve to be successful, because it does. Im saying it doesnt deserve to have its success over PS3 in America. All the consoles are successful and making profit for the company, so no one is failing at all and thats a good thing. I see a lot of posters saying PS3 was released at 600 dollars and thats the reason why PS3 isnt doing as well in America. If thats the case why is PS3 outselling 360 in EU and JP. Dont tell me Americans hold grudges or something, so thats not a legitimate reason. I also see people saying PS3 didnt hit its stride until 2008. PS3 started having great games in 2007, within the first year it released. Also being "late" to catch appeal shouldnt sway people away as evident with 360 and Kinect. My problem with MS position in the U.S. is that theyre the laziest company of the 3 when it comes to getting exclusive games. The laziest should never get the most sales, no matter who it is. Yeah, I know MS was great at exclusives in 2006-07, but for the last 3 years they havent been trying. Theres no way theyre toppling the competition in U.S. based off what they did in the past. Like I said, it must be the word of mouth sheep effect through MS advertisement. Either way, im glad all the systems are succesful. i just feel the ones that try the hardest should be in the high positions in all the markets.

1Stark1

Yes you are 360 hater all you do is bash 360 when 360 doing well and yes 360 deserve the sucess in america just like the other two consoles be a true gamer not a blindfanboy who only worship Sony.

Ok guys I see a lot of strong opinions here and I'l address them as well as I can. First off, Im not a hater. I want all the consoles to do well. As a fan of videogames, who would want a console to fail. Competition is a good thing afterall right. Im not saying 360 doesnt deserve to be successful, because it does. Im saying it doesnt deserve to have its success over PS3 in America. All the consoles are successful and making profit for the company, so no one is failing at all and thats a good thing. I see a lot of posters saying PS3 was released at 600 dollars and thats the reason why PS3 isnt doing as well in America. If thats the case why is PS3 outselling 360 in EU and JP. Dont tell me Americans hold grudges or something, so thats not a legitimate reason. I also see people saying PS3 didnt hit its stride until 2008. PS3 started having great games in 2007, within the first year it released. Also being "late" to catch appeal shouldnt sway people away as evident with 360 and Kinect. My problem with MS position in the U.S. is that theyre the laziest company of the 3 when it comes to getting exclusive games. The laziest should never get the most sales, no matter who it is. Yeah, I know MS was great at exclusives in 2006-07, but for the last 3 years they havent been trying. Theres no way theyre toppling the competition in U.S. based off what they did in the past. Like I said, it must be the word of mouth sheep effect through MS advertisement. Either way, im glad all the systems are succesful. i just feel the ones that try the hardest should be in the high positions in all the markets.

1Stark1

So thats why up until 2010 had more exclusive high scoring games then the ps3 right? and how still to this day they still have more exclusives in total then the ps3 right?

Your using myths to back up on your claims, It has always been a myth that the majority of exclusives for the 360 came out in its first 2 years, Let alone its high scoring exclusives It has maintained a lead for a long time because of continual releases. Maybe you should drop the fanboy sourced reasons for hating the 360 most of which is completely misinformation and outright lies and people will trust your claims of im not a hater...

[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

Ok guys I see a lot of strong opinions here and I'l address them as well as I can. First off, Im not a hater. I want all the consoles to do well. As a fan of videogames, who would want a console to fail. Competition is a good thing afterall right. Im not saying 360 doesnt deserve to be successful, because it does. Im saying it doesnt deserve to have its success over PS3 in America. All the consoles are successful and making profit for the company, so no one is failing at all and thats a good thing. I see a lot of posters saying PS3 was released at 600 dollars and thats the reason why PS3 isnt doing as well in America. If thats the case why is PS3 outselling 360 in EU and JP. Dont tell me Americans hold grudges or something, so thats not a legitimate reason. I also see people saying PS3 didnt hit its stride until 2008. PS3 started having great games in 2007, within the first year it released. Also being "late" to catch appeal shouldnt sway people away as evident with 360 and Kinect. My problem with MS position in the U.S. is that theyre the laziest company of the 3 when it comes to getting exclusive games. The laziest should never get the most sales, no matter who it is. Yeah, I know MS was great at exclusives in 2006-07, but for the last 3 years they havent been trying. Theres no way theyre toppling the competition in U.S. based off what they did in the past. Like I said, it must be the word of mouth sheep effect through MS advertisement. Either way, im glad all the systems are succesful. i just feel the ones that try the hardest should be in the high positions in all the markets.

lazerface216

what about nintendo this year? huh? i don't see many ripping on nintendo for their abysmal lineup this year and they don't even get the amazing multiplats that are releasing on the 360 ans ps3.

Nintendo isnt in competition with Sony and MS. They never targetted the core gamer market with the Wii. I dont take Nintendo seriously like I do Sony and MS. I feel lucky to get anything from Nintendo this gen. Im just happy they gave me a Donkey Kong Country game.

[QUOTE="nervmeister"]No. Instead, MS played it "clever" and decided to charge them $60 a *year* for XBL. It's brilliant really. If you bill customers over the long run instead of all at once.You can get em to pay up even MORE money total without them noticing just how much they've poured in. And for that, strictly from a business perspective, I kind of have to give MS credit.IronBass

I'm pretty sure most Live subscribers are well aware of how much they have spent on Live by now, it's not like 60 * #years subscribed isa complicated or uncommon calculation.

I give some credit to Sony there brainwashing is extremely effective.

Ok guys I see a lot of strong opinions here and I'l address them as well as I can. First off, Im not a hater. I want all the consoles to do well. As a fan of videogames, who would want a console to fail. Competition is a good thing afterall right. Im not saying 360 doesnt deserve to be successful, because it does. Im saying it doesnt deserve to have its success over PS3 in America. All the consoles are successful and making profit for the company, so no one is failing at all and thats a good thing. I see a lot of posters saying PS3 was released at 600 dollars and thats the reason why PS3 isnt doing as well in America. If thats the case why is PS3 outselling 360 in EU and JP. Dont tell me Americans hold grudges or something, so thats not a legitimate reason. I also see people saying PS3 didnt hit its stride until 2008. PS3 started having great games in 2007, within the first year it released. Also being "late" to catch appeal shouldnt sway people away as evident with 360 and Kinect. My problem with MS position in the U.S. is that theyre the laziest company of the 3 when it comes to getting exclusive games. The laziest should never get the most sales, no matter who it is. Yeah, I know MS was great at exclusives in 2006-07, but for the last 3 years they havent been trying. Theres no way theyre toppling the competition in U.S. based off what they did in the past. Like I said, it must be the word of mouth sheep effect through MS advertisement. Either way, im glad all the systems are succesful. i just feel the ones that try the hardest should be in the high positions in all the markets.

1Stark1

[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

Ok guys I see a lot of strong opinions here and I'l address them as well as I can. First off, Im not a hater. I want all the consoles to do well. As a fan of videogames, who would want a console to fail. Competition is a good thing afterall right. Im not saying 360 doesnt deserve to be successful, because it does. Im saying it doesnt deserve to have its success over PS3 in America. All the consoles are successful and making profit for the company, so no one is failing at all and thats a good thing. I see a lot of posters saying PS3 was released at 600 dollars and thats the reason why PS3 isnt doing as well in America. If thats the case why is PS3 outselling 360 in EU and JP. Dont tell me Americans hold grudges or something, so thats not a legitimate reason. I also see people saying PS3 didnt hit its stride until 2008. PS3 started having great games in 2007, within the first year it released. Also being "late" to catch appeal shouldnt sway people away as evident with 360 and Kinect. My problem with MS position in the U.S. is that theyre the laziest company of the 3 when it comes to getting exclusive games. The laziest should never get the most sales, no matter who it is. Yeah, I know MS was great at exclusives in 2006-07, but for the last 3 years they havent been trying. Theres no way theyre toppling the competition in U.S. based off what they did in the past. Like I said, it must be the word of mouth sheep effect through MS advertisement. Either way, im glad all the systems are succesful. i just feel the ones that try the hardest should be in the high positions in all the markets.

THEICHI

Of course it deserves the success that it earned in America. Doesnt mean I think it's the best console, but the console isnt being bought because it's a lame console.

Short answer, yes, yes it does. It's an excellent console, and it deserves all the success that it's getting.charizard1605

2 years ago I'd say that you're right but now? Not even close... Ironically the X360 is doing the best when it has the worst line-up of games since when it came out.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Short answer, yes, yes it does. It's an excellent console, and it deserves all the success that it's getting.Gue1

2 years ago I'd say that you're right but now? Not even close... Ironically the X360 is doing the best when it has the worst line-up of games since when it came out.

I think it did, but I think for the past few years the game selection has been terrible compared to the competition

You mean a western console, with mostly western games for western tastes. :| How would it not be on top. It's practically tailor made for the US and Europe.

I also think Xbox should be applauded for emphasising the western games industry.

Remember it's because Japan wouldn't give MS the time of day, so they brought over loads of western PC devs with the first Xbox and now thanks to them, we have our own games for our own tastes.

Be honest i'm enjoying these types of games far more than most Japanese types. Apart from AC6 of course :P (my favourite game ever), oh and special props to the NG series.

They deserve it, they provided healthy competition, encouraged our own market instead of a reliance on the Japaneses games industry. Have you noticed Japan used to be considered the most important point in the industry, but that's not really the case any more and I think MS are a big part of the reason. This is not a bad thing, this is the healthiest the games industry has been imo.

I give some credit to Sony there brainwashing is extremely effective.

Newhopes

Yes the 360 deserve success even though i have nothing but problems with it, but what console dose not have it's flaws

It definitely deserves it's success.

In the last 25+ years of gaming history, there really hasn't been a successful AMERICAN console for a long long time.

With the original XBOX and later XBOX 360, Western Devs have finally come out of the woodwork (PC gaming) and started developing for the platform and have paved the way for Western Style games that have become successful in the last decade. To me that's a tremendous feat, in a time where Japan and it's developers have dominated the industry.

[QUOTE="Newhopes"]

I give some credit to Sony there brainwashing is extremely effective.

Phazevariance

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

[QUOTE="Newhopes"]

I give some credit to Sony there brainwashing is extremely effective.

nervmeister

what I don't get is why "does 360 deserves its success in America"? has anyone ventured out of the country? A huge reason for a family from a third world country or developing country to buy a system like the PS3 is because it is a blu ray player, not just a GAMING system. I've been to Asia, many times, as my wife is Filipina, and am from Central America, and the hardcore gamers I've met there usually factor the bluray player into the equation of which system to buy, and if they can afford, as my wife's family is well off they usually game on the 360. I had one of her cousins request for me to replace his xbox here and ship it there for the THIRD time. and he has a ps3. He'd just rather game on the 360. The 360 right out of the gate amassed a huge library of great games that even if the ps3 delivers on all there exclusives this year, they'll just about be even in terms of AAAE. I have all 3 systems, and I own more than a few of the ps3's exclusives, but I would rather game on the 360. I love xbox live and I can go out and buy a ~$10, sometimes under that is a great game. Worldwide sales are not indicative of hardcore gaming as many on system wars would love to believe. I'm new, but those are my two cents.

Short answer, yes, yes it does. It's an excellent console, and it deserves all the success that it's getting.charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Short answer, yes, yes it does. It's an excellent console, and it deserves all the success that it's getting.TheEroica

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

[QUOTE="Newhopes"]

I give some credit to Sony there brainwashing is extremely effective.

nervmeister

[QUOTE="The_Crimson_Fox"]As an old school gamer, whos kept up with all the generations, even the abysmal spin-off failures of systems like the Jaguar, the Lynx, the Pippin and the CDi. I can say. Yes, the 360 Does deserve its success in America. And no, Sony doesn't "Deserve" to take that spot from it, if the PS3 can outsell and outmaneuver the 360 and take over, good on it. If and only IF that happens, does it "Deserve" that success. The 360 had numerous little details that made it the gamers choice, but what keeps it going now is more people in the US have 360's then PS3. If I wanna play with my friends, one out of ten has a PS3, so I play on my 360 to play with them. {Ontop of htat PSN has always given me problems, and PS2's always tend to break on me, so I tend to avoid the PS brand.} {Haha, derp moment, said the PS3 out sold and out maneuvered itself. Ment to put 360 there.)AncientDozer

Hey remember the ZX Spectrum with the screaching noises while loading that took about half an hour. Back then you had to work for your gaming, you didn't know what you were gonna be playing, if it was any good, or even if it would work. Still exciting times getting a tape on the fron of a magazine lol.

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"][QUOTE="The_Crimson_Fox"]As an old school gamer, whos kept up with all the generations, even the abysmal spin-off failures of systems like the Jaguar, the Lynx, the Pippin and the CDi. I can say. Yes, the 360 Does deserve its success in America. And no, Sony doesn't "Deserve" to take that spot from it, if the PS3 can outsell and outmaneuver the 360 and take over, good on it. If and only IF that happens, does it "Deserve" that success. The 360 had numerous little details that made it the gamers choice, but what keeps it going now is more people in the US have 360's then PS3. If I wanna play with my friends, one out of ten has a PS3, so I play on my 360 to play with them. {Ontop of htat PSN has always given me problems, and PS2's always tend to break on me, so I tend to avoid the PS brand.} {Haha, derp moment, said the PS3 out sold and out maneuvered itself. Ment to put 360 there.)Darth_DuMas

Hey remember the ZX Spectrum with the screaching noises while loading that took about half an hour. Back then you had to work for your gaming, you didn't know what you were gonna be playing, if it was any good, or even if it would work. Still exciting times getting a tape on the fron of a magazine lol.

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"]

[QUOTE="Newhopes"]

I give some credit to Sony there brainwashing is extremely effective.

nervmeister

It´s not their point! PS3 isnt automatically the best console this gen just because PS1 and PS2 were back at their time! PS1 and PS2 were fantastic consoles indeed, especially PS1. PS2 is a bit overrated in my opinion.