Dragon Age 2 Gameplay

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Shoaka"]

Not one of those will get reviews as good as Dragon Age 2, quote me.

SkyWard20

witcher 2 looks so much better. I'll blame consoles for this one.MFDOOM1983

Another great series ruined by consoles...

call_of_duty_10

Only developers can ruin games, to blame consoles is absurd.

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Another great series ruined by consoles...

Leejjohno

Only developers can ruin games, to blame consoles is absurd.

What if they can't make the game they want due to console hardware limitations but have to go multiplatform due to the publisher?

The controls on the PC version will be better, but I don't think my PC can handle it, so I'll most likely get the XBox 360 version. I have both versions of the first game. I'm going to try it on the PC and if it lags, freezes or give me trouble, I'm done with it. I really need to upgrade my PC to dual processors. and 4GB of RAM.

What I don't understand, is that Dragon Age sold really well for what it was, they made a solid profit I'm sure. Whats the point in dumbing it down now? weren't console gamers happy with what it was? 110million

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Another great series ruined by consoles...

Espada12

Only developers can ruin games, to blame consoles is absurd.

What if they can't make the game they want due to console hardware limitations but have to go multiplatform due to the publisher?

That should really only affect the visual aspects of the game, but at the end of the day nothing is holding back a game except the developer, and any publisher worth their weight should realise that consoles are an entirely different beast, mainly weaker in power and have poor controls.

The point is they did DA on consoles and the only issues where controls and visuals (not including glitches). If DA 2 comes around and all versions of the game are **** blaming consoles is an elitest thing to do; the one thing in this equation that is not responsible for the quality of the original package is the hardware; it's only possible for people that made the decisions to be responsible and I guess that can include publishers too if you get right down to it.

Personally, I just have a strong dislike for that "consoles are to blame" stand point; just blame your favourite developers instead.

I'm guessing PC.

That should really only affect the visual aspects of the game, but at the end of the day nothing is holding back a game except the developer, and any publisher worth their weight should realise that consoles are an entirely different beast, mainly weaker in power and have poor controls.

The point is they did DA on consoles and the only issues where controls and visuals (not including glitches). If DA 2 comes around and all versions of the game are **** blaming consoles is an elitest thing to do; the one thing in this equation that is not responsible for the quality of the original package is the hardware; it's only possible for people that made the decisions to be responsible and I guess that can include publishers too if you get right down to it.

Personally, I just have a strong dislike for that "consoles are to blame" stand point; just blame your favourite developers instead.

Leejjohno

Not necessarily, for instance Crysis in it's state could never be done on consoles, a result of going to console development was limiting the scope and freedom of the game from its previous installments (we all but know this is the case with crysis 2), the hardware just cannot handle anymore (according to crytek and the stagnation in visuals proves their point).

Now I agree with you that if all the versions are crap no need to blame on consoles, but I can't help but think the gameplay change was for consoles since as you pointed out, the controls did not set well with the console versions, so you make the gameplay around them instead. Personally, it's pretty much a wait and see thing with me, I'm very open to changes in games.

What I don't understand, is that Dragon Age sold really well for what it was, they made a solid profit I'm sure. Whats the point in dumbing it down now? weren't console gamers happy with what it was? 110million

[QUOTE="110million"]What I don't understand, is that Dragon Age sold really well for what it was, they made a solid profit I'm sure. Whats the point in dumbing it down now? weren't console gamers happy with what it was? Parasomniac

The ps3 has the option of adding Mouse/ KB support to a game, so not adding it is a mark against Bioware.

[QUOTE="Parasomniac"][QUOTE="110million"]What I don't understand, is that Dragon Age sold really well for what it was, they made a solid profit I'm sure. Whats the point in dumbing it down now? weren't console gamers happy with what it was? Pug-Nasty

The ps3 has the option of adding Mouse/ KB support to a game, so not adding it is a mark against Bioware.

What difference does it make how many games make use of it? The fact that they can means it's a weak dev move to dumb down your controls and game options when you don't need to.

What difference does it make how many games make use of it? The fact that they can means it's a weak dev move to dumb down your controls and game options when you don't need to.

Pug-Nasty

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

What difference does it make how many games make use of it? The fact that they can means it's a weak dev move to dumb down your controls and game options when you don't need to.

Captain__Tripps

Maybe 'cause there aren't many games that allow for one to be used? I mean, there's that new adapter, but that won't make the games magically optimized for kb/m. Some games simply work better with kb/m mouse and, in some cases, can't really work without them.

Bioware shouldn't dumb down DA 2 just so they can have some kind of console/PC parity with the game, they should implement kb/m on consoles and bring the gameplay up to par.

[QUOTE="110million"]What I don't understand, is that Dragon Age sold really well for what it was, they made a solid profit I'm sure. Whats the point in dumbing it down now? weren't console gamers happy with what it was? lawlessx

Dragon Age? Are you serious? I could understand Mass Effect, but I wouldn't expect DA.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I might vomit. So bad...I thought Bioware games couldn't have gotten worse. I was wrong.waltefmoney

BioWare has made some of the best games this gen.

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

What difference does it make how many games make use of it? The fact that they can means it's a weak dev move to dumb down your controls and game options when you don't need to.

Pug-Nasty

Maybe 'cause there aren't many games that allow for one to be used? I mean, there's that new adapter, but that won't make the games magically optimized for kb/m. Some games simply work better with kb/m mouse and, in some cases, can't really work without them.

Bioware shouldn't dumb down DA 2 just so they can have some kind of console/PC parity with the game, they should implement kb/m on consoles and bring the gameplay up to par.

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

What difference does it make how many games make use of it? The fact that they can means it's a weak dev move to dumb down your controls and game options when you don't need to.

Pug-Nasty

Maybe 'cause there aren't many games that allow for one to be used? I mean, there's that new adapter, but that won't make the games magically optimized for kb/m. Some games simply work better with kb/m mouse and, in some cases, can't really work without them.

Bioware shouldn't dumb down DA 2 just so they can have some kind of console/PC parity with the game, they should implement kb/m on consoles and bring the gameplay up to par.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"] Except nobody ever uses a kb/mouse for a game on a console. DragonfireXZ95

Maybe 'cause there aren't many games that allow for one to be used? I mean, there's that new adapter, but that won't make the games magically optimized for kb/m. Some games simply work better with kb/m mouse and, in some cases, can't really work without them.

Bioware shouldn't dumb down DA 2 just so they can have some kind of console/PC parity with the game, they should implement kb/m on consoles and bring the gameplay up to par.

It is not Bioware's, and certainly not Sony's, job to placate the need for MS to not have its hardware look inferior. If the execs of MS would be butt hurt over something like that, they should have included support for more peripherals in the first place. I also see no reason they wouldn't be able to release an update that allows for something like that.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"] Except nobody ever uses a kb/mouse for a game on a console. Captain__Tripps

Maybe 'cause there aren't many games that allow for one to be used? I mean, there's that new adapter, but that won't make the games magically optimized for kb/m. Some games simply work better with kb/m mouse and, in some cases, can't really work without them.

Bioware shouldn't dumb down DA 2 just so they can have some kind of console/PC parity with the game, they should implement kb/m on consoles and bring the gameplay up to par.

What does that mean, support a peripheral with no support? They program kb/m all the time in their games, and it's not a peripheral, it's practically any kb/m. It's not like it's some obscure 3rd party tech that doesn't work well.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Those graphics aren't "super hot" Bioware. How long before a Bioware game gets good animations as well?Espada12

I agree with the animations thing, even the KOTOR MMO is stiff as hell. What's up with their animators?

[QUOTE="Captain__Tripps"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Maybe 'cause there aren't many games that allow for one to be used? I mean, there's that new adapter, but that won't make the games magically optimized for kb/m. Some games simply work better with kb/m mouse and, in some cases, can't really work without them.

Bioware shouldn't dumb down DA 2 just so they can have some kind of console/PC parity with the game, they should implement kb/m on consoles and bring the gameplay up to par.

Pug-Nasty

What does that mean, support a peripheral with no support? They program kb/m all the time in their games, and it's not a peripheral, it's practically any kb/m. It's not like it's some obscure 3rd party tech that doesn't work well.

I mean Bioware is not going to support kb/mouse on PS3 for something that nobody uses. The only way it would happen is if Sony encourage developers to do it, and it would help if Sony did it for some of thier games where it made sense. Bioware is not going to add something 4 people would use.Captain__Tripps

I don't see why it wouldn't be used, or even why it would be such a difficulty for them to do. They already have the control schemes and gameplay figured out for the PC version, it can't be that difficult to transfer over. And it isn't an FPS, where this would just be a different control method, they removed whole gameplay elements from DA on consoles because of the control limitations. Seems like the should, and should want to, make the game they intended to make the way they intended to make it.

If they have to go a controller rout for the 360, I guess that's better than just not releasing it on the system, but don't short change the users of consoles that are equipped to handle the controls.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Those graphics aren't "super hot" Bioware. How long before a Bioware game gets good animations as well?Elann2008

I agree with the animations thing, even the KOTOR MMO is stiff as hell. What's up with their animators?

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] I'm sure that will be a major personal victory for you. You can enjoy critical reception, and i will enjoy good RPG's.lawlessx

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Dragon Age 2 will blow everything out of the water. You can enjoy overhyping small developers, while I enjoy good RPG's.

SkyWard20

Oh......yuck.

Hack n Slash?

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Those graphics aren't "super hot" Bioware. How long before a Bioware game gets good animations as well?Elann2008

I agree with the animations thing, even the KOTOR MMO is stiff as hell. What's up with their animators?

Everyone is better than bethesda, doesn't mean bioware isn't bad as well. Every game they have this gen everyone looks stiff.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Dragon Age 2 will blow everything out of the water. You can enjoy overhyping small developers, while I enjoy good RPG's.

SkyWard20

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] i rather hype small developers that have great ideas and take risks then big time developers that play it safe to unsure a profit. You can continue to bash CD Projekt and the witcher by using low review scores if you want..the rest of us will actually be playing the game before blinding bashing the game aswell as the team who developed it.GeneralShowzer

It's the game's fault for failing to enthrall me after I've put so many hours in it. Prime Dragon Age had me hooked from the beginning.

Guys, lets not derail this into a Dragon Age: Origins vs The Witcher thread please.

Oh......yuck.

Hack n Slash?

Raymundo_Manuel

I have heard devs stating that the PC version controls just like Dragon Age: Origins, so may be a bit of a relief. I still believe the game will be bad though, but not because of the combat.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] i rather hype small developers that have great ideas and take risks then big time developers that play it safe to unsure a profit. You can continue to bash CD Projekt and the witcher by using low review scores if you want..the rest of us will actually be playing the game before blinding bashing the game aswell as the team who developed it.GeneralShowzer

The story is very good. It's not the best but it's not average either. In my opinion it's the most memorable story I've seen since Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines released in 2004.

Dear god, they've turned something vaguely Baldur's Gate-esque into **bleep**ing Dynasty Warriors. And that's not a game anyone should turn to for inspiration.DJ_Lae

Don't insult Dynasty Warriors by comparing this to it, honestly I rather play DW:Advance than this.

Joke poll? Of course the PC version will be the best it's a Bioware RPG. I don't see why more people expect the 360 version to be the best than expect the PS3 to, or have we already forgotten DA:O was superior on the PS3 (to the 360 not PC)?

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I agree with the animations thing, even the KOTOR MMO is stiff as hell. What's up with their animators?

Parasomniac

"Hello Commander Shepard *wave hand* I heard you might show up today *nod head* how bout those freaky aliens eh? *shake fist grr grr slightly racist undercurrent*"

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]Dear god, they've turned something vaguely Baldur's Gate-esque into **bleep**ing Dynasty Warriors. And that's not a game anyone should turn to for inspiration.Yangire

Don't insult Dynasty Warriors by comparing this to it, honestly I rather play DW:Advance than this.

They took the video down...

Aww it's down. :(

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] What risks did CD Projekt take with the Witcher? The story is average, the lore is interesting ( CD Projekt didn't create it ), the combat is twitch-based and pretty much average. The choices that affect the story are interesting, but like someone else said, there's not much to care for by influencing an *average* story. BioWare took a much greater risk with Mass Effect 1.

SkyWard20

It's the game's fault for failing to enthrall me after I've put so many hours in it. Prime Dragon Age had me hooked from the beginning.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I agree with the animations thing, even the KOTOR MMO is stiff as hell. What's up with their animators?

Espada12

Everyone is better than bethesda, doesn't mean bioware isn't bad as well. Every game they have this gen everyone looks stiff.

I think thaw will change in the future. Bethesda said they'd be the only devs (including id) to use the id Tech 5 engine. I know id's animators are better than Bethesda's, but I'm sure most graphics-related features will be greatly enhanced!

To answer the poll question: I still haven't played Dragon Age! I'm not worried / interested in the sequel right now :P. I'd immediately assume the PC version would be the best, unless things have drastically changed / go wrong.

To answer the poll question: I still haven't played Dragon Age! I'm not worried / interested in the sequel right now :P. I'd immediately assume the PC version would be the best, unless things have drastically changed / go wrong.

Episode_Eve

Morrigan dissaproves

I don't see how anyone who was a fan of the first game can like this, sure it will sell. Not to the same people though :(

Wow... I got thread-jacked.