DVD9 is an issue according to Rockstar

I never saw dvd9's to be a problem, until I read this article

I agree 100% with the rockstar guy when he "complains" about the xbox 360 arcades which are not equipped with a HDD. It's stupid imo, they should only sell 360's with a harddisk, but I think it's too late, since they should have done it already at the beginning of this gen. there are many people who only own an arcade and of course you can't force them to buy a hdd to play a certain game.

I don't think bluray is essential, but I think sony exclusives took advantage of it thanks to the much higher storage than a dvd9.

This sentence is the key imo "If we're filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It's not like our games are going to get any smaller. I think that issue's on the table with a bunch of games right now. I'm sure they'll come through with an intelligent solution."

What kind of "intelligent solution" do you think Microsoft you come through with? Flash drives??

i agree with them in a lot of senses,As texture sizes increase and things become more complex more space will be necessary.Also what doesnt help its a weird time as internet connections sometimes throttle your speeds with downloading cause of bandwith aswell right now (some companies) which isnt helpful for say a system totally reliant on DD as its main function of selling games so when you think about it Sony has kinda nailed the middle ground this gen like last with the adoption of the DVD.

I mean blu-ray has got its problem but people sometimes blow some of its flaws out of proportion and forge the good like the size of the actual disk, and one people dont think about is that excess materials are needed for multi disk cases so effectively it can be seen as greener than DVD as were starting to see an increase in multi disk games over recent years.

The problem thats holding BR back is the HD tv adoption rate,PC's not widely adopting them aswell could be a factor in a few senses where DVD was adopted and spread like wildfire when it really started kicking.

I never saw dvd9's to be a problem, until I read this article

I agree 100% with the rockstar guy when he "complains" about the xbox 360 arcades which are not equipped with a HDD. It's stupid imo, they should only sell 360's with a harddisk, but I think it's too late, since they should have done it already at the beginning of this gen. there are many people who only own an arcade and of course you can't force them to buy a hdd to play a certain game.

I don't think bluray is essential, but I think sony exclusives took advantage of it thanks to the much higher storage than a dvd9.

This sentence is the key imo "If we're filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It's not like our games are going to get any smaller. I think that issue's on the table with a bunch of games right now. I'm sure they'll come through with an intelligent solution."

What kind of "intelligent solution" do you think Microsoft you come through with? Flash drives??

Metroid_Other_M

Multiple discs?

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I never saw dvd9's to be a problem, until I read this article

I agree 100% with the rockstar guy when he "complains" about the xbox 360 arcades which are not equipped with a HDD. It's stupid imo, they should only sell 360's with a harddisk, but I think it's too late, since they should have done it already at the beginning of this gen. there are many people who only own an arcade and of course you can't force them to buy a hdd to play a certain game.

I don't think bluray is essential, but I think sony exclusives took advantage of it thanks to the much higher storage than a dvd9.

This sentence is the key imo "If we're filling up the disc right now, where are we going? It's not like our games are going to get any smaller. I think that issue's on the table with a bunch of games right now. I'm sure they'll come through with an intelligent solution."

What kind of "intelligent solution" do you think Microsoft you come through with? Flash drives??

ArcticWolf77

Multiple discs?

I agree with the 360 arcade fiasco. I really dont know why MS just didnt release every 360 with a hdd. It would have solved alot of headaches for developers and consumers. As for dvd9,I think this is the last gen any console will use dvds. Blu ray will be used in the every next gen console. I guarantee it. More storage space is always good for developers. Sure blu ray has its issues now like slow read speeds,high costs,etc... But all that should vastly improve by next gen. Guess developers and MS have to squeeze all they can from dvds until a more feasible option comes along.

Multiple disks? Problem solvedshadow8585

really bugs continuity with a open world game though thats the problem you cant pull a mass effect.Imagine having to go from say hypothetically island to island but you get a message up on the bridge please insert disk 2.Cause im pretty sure R*N will be wanting to go even bigger and flashier like they did with GTA last gen.

Multiple disks? Problem solvedshadow8585

Multiple disks? Problem solvedshadow8585

Multiple disks? Problem solvedshadow8585

Multiple disks? Problem solvedshadow8585

yeah Multiple disc...

i am sure 99.5% of 360 users dont mihd changing disc while they play games.

and cost on disc and case material = make it $5 more expensive than regular games.

I am sure 360 gamers dont mindpaying $5 for better quality.

Make a second disd, or allow the extra disc to be installed onto peoples hard drives and play from the 1st - it's not a difficult situation. It's hardly that big of an issue - look at the recent example of Red Dead Redemption, both versions virtually identical.Ravensmash

This can only be used as an OPTION at best.....therein lies the problem. You still have to make sure that the game runs well or design it in a way where the disc swapping doesn't limit or disturb gameplay. They obviously want the lowest common denomiator to have a hard drive.

[QUOTE="shadow8585"]Multiple disks? Problem solvedRavensmash

i dont see that being really feasable with say an open world game :S

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]Make a second disd, or allow the extra disc to be installed onto peoples hard drives and play from the 1st - it's not a difficult situation. It's hardly that big of an issue - look at the recent example of Red Dead Redemption, both versions virtually identical.Metroid_Other_M

They might get bluray nexxt gen...?Ringx55

I'd like to see flash drives in the future, they're capable of so much more than blurays.

[QUOTE="shadow8585"]Multiple disks? Problem solvedSollet

I'd like to see flash drives in the future, they're capable of so much more than blurays.

italygamer

Given that USB support has been added to the 360, developers shouldn't be "developing to the lowest common denominator" anymore. That and they aren't complaining about the PS3's drive speed and how it requires a mandatory install for that same game?

Given that USB support has been added to the 360, developers shouldn't "developing to the lowest common denominator" anymore. That and they aren't complaining about the PS3's drive speed and how it requires a mandatory install for that same game?

foxhound_fox

"intelligent solution" = downloadable content They'll just cut parts of the game out and pretend it wasn't part of the original code to begin with.darthogre

dlc is the worst thing that happened this gen.

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Given that USB support has been added to the 360, developers shouldn't "developing to the lowest common denominator" anymore. That and they aren't complaining about the PS3's drive speed and how it requires a mandatory install for that same game?

Ravensmash

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

Given that USB support has been added to the 360, developers shouldn't "developing to the lowest common denominator" anymore. That and they aren't complaining about the PS3's drive speed and how it requires a mandatory install for that same game?

pitty8982

Microsoft limited usb storage up to 16 GB

pitty8982

[QUOTE="pitty8982"]Microsoft limited usb storage up to 16 GB

foxhound_fox

Obviously, the open world genre is where disc swapping is a no go. I don't know what kind of solution they could come up with, more than likely they just won't make an open world game that won't fit on a DVD9, so we all lose.

Maybe Agent will be bigger/better/more interactive than GTA IV?

[QUOTE="shadow8585"]Multiple disks? Problem solvedrazgriz_101

really bugs continuity with a open world game though thats the problem you cant pull a mass effect.Imagine having to go from say hypothetically island to island but you get a message up on the bridge please insert disk 2.Cause im pretty sure R*N will be wanting to go even bigger and flashier like they did with GTA last gen.

Hell it can even be simpler than that if the load screen is implemented into the game design. Metroid Prime did this, granted the slow opening doors were slightly off putting, but what about in a seamless world like Dungeon siege. every time you use a portal it throws you into an animation of the portal. Have that animation keep playing while disc swapping and you were never removed from the game. I still don't really see the problem with disc swapping.

[QUOTE="shadow8585"]Multiple disks? Problem solvedexiledsnake

The next set of console need to go back to cartridges for console gaming since memory tech has advanced alot since 1995. If they would use a N64 sized cartridges they could easily fit hundreds if Gb's of space in one of those surpassing bluray in space while having nearly instant loading times. Another thing they could do is have the consoles have standard large harddrives and install the full game from digital downloads or media device. With Pc games or programs, Ive seen them fit a 16 gb of compressed data (game) onto a DVD 9.

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[QUOTE="shadow8585"]Multiple disks? Problem solvedgamer620

really bugs continuity with a open world game though thats the problem you cant pull a mass effect.Imagine having to go from say hypothetically island to island but you get a message up on the bridge please insert disk 2.Cause im pretty sure R*N will be wanting to go even bigger and flashier like they did with GTA last gen.

[...] pen drives will be only used to store data imo.

pitty8982

Given that USB support has been added to the 360, developers shouldn't be "developing to the lowest common denominator" anymore. That and they aren't complaining about the PS3's drive speed and how it requires a mandatory install for that same game?

foxhound_fox

PS3 doesn't require mandatory install. Haven't you played GOW3 or Uncharted2? Its a developer choice that they use HD install to minimize the load time of optimal drives.

I agree with the 360 arcade fiasco. I really dont know why MS just didnt release every 360 with a hdd. It would have solved alot of headaches for developers and consumers. As for dvd9,I think this is the last gen any console will use dvds. Blu ray will be used in the every next gen console. I guarantee it. More storage space is always good for developers. Sure blu ray has its issues now like slow read speeds,high costs,etc... But all that should vastly improve by next gen. Guess developers and MS have to squeeze all they can from dvds until a more feasible option comes along.

coltsfan4ever

PS3 doesn't require mandatory install. Haven't you played GOW3 or Uncharted2? Its a developer choice that they use HD install to minimize the load time of optimal drives.fun-da-mental

And yet from what I'm hearing the Ps3 version of RDR is inferior. Why don't they focus on making both versions equal before complaining about a certain format.

i can't remember what FF game on PS2 forced people to buy the HDD for the PS2. So I don't see why games just can't force users to get a HDD. If there are 360 owners without a HDD they can easily afford a 20gb by now. I think MS should lift the 'non-HDD' rule

i can't remember what FF game on PS2 forced people to buy the HDD for the PS2. So I don't see why games just can't force users to get a HDD. If there are 360 owners without a HDD they can easily afford a 20gb by now. I think MS should lift the 'non-HDD' rule

littlestreakier