EDGE magazine rewards Skyward Sword a perfect 10.

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#101 shinrabanshou
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A 10 from EDGE is huge lets hope the game warrants the score

EPaul

Again, while it's a good score and certainly bodes well; I'm not seeing why a 10 from EDGE, should be considered "huge" in particular.

They've given more 10s this gen than GS has in total.

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#102 Arach666
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[QUOTE="EPaul"]

A 10 from EDGE is huge lets hope the game warrants the score

shinrabanshou

Again, while it's a good score and certainly bodes well; I'm not seeing why a 10 from EDGE, should be considered "huge" in particular.

They've given more 10s this gen than GS has in total.

They gave more than seven 10´s already this gen?

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#103 madsnakehhh
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[QUOTE="Giant_Panda"]

[QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"] Sometimes I wonder if gaming journalism is in the state it's in partially because gamers can't distinguish the good publications from the bad. :PkobedaGOAT

Exactly. Why on earth anyone listens to IGN, X-play or EDGE is beyond me.

Whats really beyond me is how gamers don't even look to their own when judging a game. A title can have a whooping 40 reviews from 40 random "reviewers" and that will determine a failure or a success. Despite user reviews that may damn near triple the "professional" ones, from people who more than likely put more time into the game than the so-called pros. Funny, yet sad.

My issue with user reviews is that you can find honest opinions, but most likely you will also find tons of "0 out of 10 because the game is crap"

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#104 AmayaPapaya
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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="EPaul"]

A 10 from EDGE is huge lets hope the game warrants the score

Arach666

Again, while it's a good score and certainly bodes well; I'm not seeing why a 10 from EDGE, should be considered "huge" in particular.

They've given more 10s this gen than GS has in total.

They gave more than seven 10´s already this gen?

Here is a copy paste from Wikipedia

Super Mario 64 (Nintendo 64) - E35 (1996)
Gran Turismo (Sony PlayStation) - E55 (1997)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Nintendo 64) - E66 (1998)
Halo: Combat Evolved (Xbox) - E105 (2001)
Half-Life 2 (Windows PC) - E143 (2004)
Halo 3 (Xbox 360) - E181 (2007)
The Orange Box (Windows PC, PlayStation 3, Xbox 360) - E182 (2007)
Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) - E183 (2007)
Grand Theft Auto IV (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360) - E189 (2008)
LittleBigPlanet (PlayStation 3) - E195 (2008)
Bayonetta (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360) - E209 (2009)
Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii) - E215 (2010)
Rock Band 3 (PlayStation 3, Xbox 360) - E222 (2010)
The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (Wii) - E234 (2011)

Not a bad list of games at all. Except GTA that is. But that was an industry goof.

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#105 lbjkurono23
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[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="EPaul"]

A 10 from EDGE is huge lets hope the game warrants the score

Arach666

Again, while it's a good score and certainly bodes well; I'm not seeing why a 10 from EDGE, should be considered "huge" in particular.

They've given more 10s this gen than GS has in total.

They gave more than seven 10´s already this gen?

They did. Halo 3 The Orange Box Super Mario Galaxy Grand Theft Auto IV Little Big Planet Bayonetta Super Mario Galaxy 2 Rock Band 3 not counting The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
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#106 EPaul
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[QUOTE="EPaul"]

A 10 from EDGE is huge lets hope the game warrants the score

shinrabanshou

Again, while it's a good score and certainly bodes well; I'm not seeing why a 10 from EDGE, should be considered "huge" in particular.

They've given more 10s this gen than GS has in total.

Well i don't remember any 10's given out by EDGE and they are known for being very critical when rating games so i when i see a ten from them it consider it huge

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#107 lbjkurono23
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[QUOTE="kobedaGOAT"]

[QUOTE="Giant_Panda"]

Exactly. Why on earth anyone listens to IGN, X-play or EDGE is beyond me.

madsnakehhh

Whats really beyond me is how gamers don't even look to their own when judging a game. A title can have a whooping 40 reviews from 40 random "reviewers" and that will determine a failure or a success. Despite user reviews that may damn near triple the "professional" ones, from people who more than likely put more time into the game than the so-called pros. Funny, yet sad.

My issue with user reviews is that you can find honest opinions, but most likely you will also find tons of "0 out of 10 because the game is crap"

Those are deleted( most of the time) and it's pretty easy to ignore them and move on to a better(content wise).
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#108 Arach666
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[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Again, while it's a good score and certainly bodes well; I'm not seeing why a 10 from EDGE, should be considered "huge" in particular.

They've given more 10s this gen than GS has in total.

AmayaPapaya

They gave more than seven 10´s already this gen?

Here is a copy paste from Wikipedia

*games*

Not a bad list of games at all. Except GTA that is. But that was an industry goof.

Damn,in so many years they only had given five 10´s and this gen alone they give 9? :o

Well that sure is a change of pace for them lol.

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#109 shinrabanshou
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They gave more than seven 10´s already this gen?Arach666

  1. Halo 3
  2. The Orange Box
  3. Super Mario Galaxy
  4. Grand Theft Auto IV
  5. LittleBigPlanet
  6. Bayonetta
  7. Super Mario Galaxy 2
  8. Rock Band 3

And now Skyward Sword.

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#110 EPaul
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[QUOTE="Arach666"]They gave more than seven 10´s already this gen?shinrabanshou

  1. Halo 3
  2. The Orange Box
  3. Super Mario Galaxy
  4. Grand Theft Auto IV
  5. LittleBigPlanet
  6. Bayonetta
  7. Super Mario Galaxy 2
  8. Rock Band 3

And now Skyward Sword.

Hmm that's alot of Ten's i see your point now

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This is the review that matters the most for me so that score + strong words from them is fantastic news. Oh how I hope it gets similar glowing reviews from everyone so that the doubters/haters eat their words but unfortunately I expect the usual motion-controls haters that never accept those and will always ask for classic controller support.
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This is the review that matters the most for me so that score + strong words from them is fantastic news. Oh how I hope it gets similar glowing reviews from everyone so that the doubters/haters eat their words but unfortunately I expect the usual motion-controls haters that never accept those and will always ask for classic controller support.laus_basic

I think the only publications to really worry about are GI and X Play. Both have a histroy of terrible Nintendo reviews. SMG2 was a victim of both.

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#113 GD1551
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This is the review that matters the most for me so that score + strong words from them is fantastic news. Oh how I hope it gets similar glowing reviews from everyone so that the doubters/haters eat their words but unfortunately I expect the usual motion-controls haters that never accept those and will always ask for classic controller support.laus_basic

Why shouldn't people get the option of classic controller support? Not everyone likes the waggle.

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#114 AmayaPapaya
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[QUOTE="laus_basic"]This is the review that matters the most for me so that score + strong words from them is fantastic news. Oh how I hope it gets similar glowing reviews from everyone so that the doubters/haters eat their words but unfortunately I expect the usual motion-controls haters that never accept those and will always ask for classic controller support.GD1551

Why shouldn't people get the option of classic controller support? Not everyone likes the waggle.

Good thing Skyward Sword doesn't have waggle.

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#115 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="laus_basic"]This is the review that matters the most for me so that score + strong words from them is fantastic news. Oh how I hope it gets similar glowing reviews from everyone so that the doubters/haters eat their words but unfortunately I expect the usual motion-controls haters that never accept those and will always ask for classic controller support.AmayaPapaya

Why shouldn't people get the option of classic controller support? Not everyone likes the waggle.

Good thing Skyward Sword doesn't have waggle.

I was condescendingly referring to motion controls as a whole.

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[QUOTE="laus_basic"]This is the review that matters the most for me so that score + strong words from them is fantastic news. Oh how I hope it gets similar glowing reviews from everyone so that the doubters/haters eat their words but unfortunately I expect the usual motion-controls haters that never accept those and will always ask for classic controller support.GD1551

Why shouldn't people get the option of classic controller support? Not everyone likes the waggle.

While i'm agree that it should be an option, there has been confirmed that this game has little to none waggle.

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I wonder what scores Uncharted and SM3DL scored.

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#118 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="laus_basic"]This is the review that matters the most for me so that score + strong words from them is fantastic news. Oh how I hope it gets similar glowing reviews from everyone so that the doubters/haters eat their words but unfortunately I expect the usual motion-controls haters that never accept those and will always ask for classic controller support.AmayaPapaya

I think the only publications to really worry about are GI and X Play. Both have a histroy of terrible Nintendo reviews. SMG2 was a victim of both.

i don't think even the most avid fanboys dare taking XPlay seriously. GI maybe, but XPlay? lolno.
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#119 nintendoboy16
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[QUOTE="laus_basic"]This is the review that matters the most for me so that score + strong words from them is fantastic news. Oh how I hope it gets similar glowing reviews from everyone so that the doubters/haters eat their words but unfortunately I expect the usual motion-controls haters that never accept those and will always ask for classic controller support.GD1551

Why shouldn't people get the option of classic controller support? Not everyone likes the waggle.

Will Skyward Sword be as good with normal controls? Something tells me: no.
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[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Why shouldn't people get the option of classic controller support? Not everyone likes the waggle.

GD1551

Good thing Skyward Sword doesn't have waggle.

I was condescendingly referring to motion controls as a whole.

How do you know the motion control isn't a good thing? SS is really the first game of it's kind.

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#121 GD1551
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How do you know the motion control isn't a good thing? SS is really the first game of it's kind.

AmayaPapaya

It could be a good or bad thing, I and many others, just don't like motion controls!

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#122 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

How do you know the motion control isn't a good thing? SS is really the first game of it's kind.

GD1551

It could be a good or bad thing, I and many others, just don't like motion controls!

well too bad, it's like asking for playing a shooter on the 360 and say you don't like dual analogs. you just can't do it. it's the vital part of the game, the core of its gameplay.
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[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

How do you know the motion control isn't a good thing? SS is really the first game of it's kind.

GD1551

It could be a good or bad thing, I and many others, just don't like motion controls!

i liked them, until the gimmick effect wore off and it just became a pain in the butt to use. so i just ended up selling my wii.
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

How do you know the motion control isn't a good thing? SS is really the first game of it's kind.

ChikaraShref

It could be a good or bad thing, I and many others, just don't like motion controls!

i liked them, until the gimmick effect wore off and it just became a pain in the butt to use. so i just ended up selling my wii.

So if small simple movements are a pain in the butt to you, I take it you got rid of your computer because of that dang pain in the butt mouse? :roll:

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[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

How do you know the motion control isn't a good thing? SS is really the first game of it's kind.

GD1551

It could be a good or bad thing, I and many others, just don't like motion controls!

What games have you played with Motion Control? Have you played Wii Sports Resort or Red Steel 2? Despite what many people believe, there are very very few games out there with real motion control. I'm not talking about that Waggle nonsense. I'm talking about a game that really has 1:1 (or as close as you can get) control. Zelda is the first 1:1 game that wasn't designed to be motion control game but just a game itself. Nintendo has some of the best game designers on the planet too.

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I don't see how they could offer a classic controller option for a game that's built around 1:1 motion controls. Just wouldn't work, might aswell make another game.
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#127 ChikaraShref
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[QUOTE="ChikaraShref"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

It could be a good or bad thing, I and many others, just don't like motion controls!

WreckEm711

i liked them, until the gimmick effect wore off and it just became a pain in the butt to use. so i just ended up selling my wii.

So if small simple movements are a pain in the butt to you, I take it you got rid of your computer because of that dang pain in the butt mouse? :roll:

oh, you mean waggle? m/kb don't do waggle. sorry.
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I am ready for November 20th.

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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

How do you know the motion control isn't a good thing? SS is really the first game of it's kind.

AmayaPapaya

It could be a good or bad thing, I and many others, just don't like motion controls!

What games have you played with Motion Control? Have you played Wii Sports Resort or Red Steel 2? Despite what many people believe, there are very very few games out there with real motion control. I'm not talking about that Waggle nonsense. I'm talking about a game that really has 1:1 (or as close as you can get) control. Zelda is the first 1:1 game that wasn't designed to be motion control game but just a game itself. Nintendo has some of the best game designers on the planet too.

Can you blame him then? the majority of the games have poor motion control implementation or don't really add anything over conventional controllers.

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BTW, is there any quotes from the actual Mag? What did they say about SS?

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Why shouldn't people get the option of classic controller support? Not everyone likes the waggle.

GD1551

Then go play something else?

The game was planned and built around this so EDGE's 10/10 score has motion controls DNA all over it.

Compromising the control scheme to run on control pads would have held back the team and most likely result in a very diferent game.

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[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

It could be a good or bad thing, I and many others, just don't like motion controls!

lbjkurono23

What games have you played with Motion Control? Have you played Wii Sports Resort or Red Steel 2? Despite what many people believe, there are very very few games out there with real motion control. I'm not talking about that Waggle nonsense. I'm talking about a game that really has 1:1 (or as close as you can get) control. Zelda is the first 1:1 game that wasn't designed to be motion control game but just a game itself. Nintendo has some of the best game designers on the planet too.

Can you blame him then? the majority of the games have poor motion control implementation or don't really add anything over conventional controllers.

can't blame him for not liking motion controls in general because they've failed to interest him. can blame him, though, for accusing zelda of being something it isn't and wanting an option that would downgrade both versions of the game to a level beyond belief.
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#133 GD1551
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What games have you played with Motion Control? Have you played Wii Sports Resort or Red Steel 2? Despite what many people believe, there are very very few games out there with real motion control. I'm not talking about that Waggle nonsense. I'm talking about a game that really has 1:1 (or as close as you can get) control. Zelda is the first 1:1 game that wasn't designed to be motion control game but just a game itself. Nintendo has some of the best game designers on the planet too.

AmayaPapaya

I've played WSR that's about it. The others games I played on wii were SMG1+2, TP, Smash bros, Metroid (not the team ninja one), MK, DK and that on the rails RE game.

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BTW, is there any quotes from the actual Mag? What did they say about SS?

AmayaPapaya

The full review will be posted on the 25th.

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BTW, is there any quotes from the actual Mag? What did they say about SS?

AmayaPapaya
as far as i know, the only quotes so far are the ones in the OP. the magazine is only out tuesday.
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#136 lbjkurono23
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[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

What games have you played with Motion Control? Have you played Wii Sports Resort or Red Steel 2? Despite what many people believe, there are very very few games out there with real motion control. I'm not talking about that Waggle nonsense. I'm talking about a game that really has 1:1 (or as close as you can get) control. Zelda is the first 1:1 game that wasn't designed to be motion control game but just a game itself. Nintendo has some of the best game designers on the planet too.

BrunoBRS

Can you blame him then? the majority of the games have poor motion control implementation or don't really add anything over conventional controllers.

can't blame him for not liking motion controls in general because they've failed to interest him. can blame him, though, for accusing zelda of being something it isn't and wanting an option that would downgrade both versions of the game to a level beyond belief.

Can't blame him either for developers making poor use of motion controls. He never accused Zelda he said "it could be a good thing or a bad thing" ;) and blame him for wanting another controller input? thats laughable... as wanting it didn't really affect zelda in any way.
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#137 organic_machine
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Lol at people trying to argue bias by using metascores. A score is only a small part of the review. It's only the thesis. Students are not judged on their thesis alone, but their writing and arguing of that thesis. Similarly with reviews, it's the content of the review that matters. How factual is the review? How informative is it? Does it explain why the game is good or why it is bad? Using scores makes sense when the difference is between an 8 and a 2. You can safely say that the game that scores an 8 is better than the other. But with a game that has a 7 and a game that has a 9? You have to, you know, READ the review to determine its quality.

Now onto all this EDGE bashing. The score does not concern me. What is said about the game does. "This is the Wii game you've been waiting for." That sounds good, does it not? If Edge writes terrible reviews, then yes, they should be ignored. But on average, how are their reviews? I haven't read them personally, but I've seen people cite only a few bad ones.

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#138 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]Why shouldn't people get the option of classic controller support? Not everyone likes the waggle.

Thunderdrone

Then go play something else?

The game was planned and built around this so EDGE's 10/10 score has motion controls DNA all over it.

Compromising the control scheme to run on control pads would have held back the team and most likely result in a very diferent game.

Options comprises control schemes?

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#139 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]Why shouldn't people get the option of classic controller support? Not everyone likes the waggle.

GD1551

Then go play something else?

The game was planned and built around this so EDGE's 10/10 score has motion controls DNA all over it.

Compromising the control scheme to run on control pads would have held back the team and most likely result in a very diferent game.

Options comprises control schemes?

yes they do. if they had to adapt the motion control system so it could be played with a standard controller, then you would get a bad motion control scheme, and a bland game that used to be based around motion but it's not. you're basically asking nintendo to dumb down the game to the point it's boring.
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#140 GD1551
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yes they do. if they had to adapt the motion control system so it could be played with a standard controller, then you would get a bad motion control scheme, and a bland game that used to be based around motion but it's not. you're basically asking nintendo to dumb down the game to the point it's boring.BrunoBRS

That makes no sense to me. Then KZ3's move controls are stupid because the standard controller is an option?

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#141 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]yes they do. if they had to adapt the motion control system so it could be played with a standard controller, then you would get a bad motion control scheme, and a bland game that used to be based around motion but it's not. you're basically asking nintendo to dumb down the game to the point it's boring.GD1551

That makes no sense to me. Then KZ3's move controls are stupid because the standard controller is an option?

you don't seem to grasp the difference between "i can use the move to aim faster" and "i have 1:1 sword controls and a crapload of puzzles based on that same 1:1 motion, but i have to translate that to button inputs". and BTW yes KZ3 is unbalanced with move controls. pointer controls are much faster and precise than dual analog, and about as close to the mouse as you can get right now without actually using a mouse.
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#142 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]Why shouldn't people get the option of classic controller support? Not everyone likes the waggle.

GD1551

Then go play something else?

The game was planned and built around this so EDGE's 10/10 score has motion controls DNA all over it.

Compromising the control scheme to run on control pads would have held back the team and most likely result in a very diferent game.

Options comprises control schemes?

when the entire combat system and puzzles are designed around motion controls, yes, yes they do.
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#143 el3m2tigre
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Gamespot should give it an 8.8 Make it a tradition gamespot.8)

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#144 BrunoBRS
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Gamespot should give it an 8.8 Make it a tradition gamespot.8)

el3m2tigre
they can't, they have a.5 system now. and the closest to that number is a 9, according to international rounding procedures :P and while i'd say 9 is still low for this game, i wouldn't complain.
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#145 WithoutGraceXII
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Gamespot is still going to give it an 8.5. X-Play is going to give it a 2 or 3 out of 5.bbkkristian
Do any real gamers even watch X-Play and/or take it seriously?

They're reviews are questionable, but they often have previews of upcoming games that are good. Plus it's funny imo. Plus Morgan Webb imo.
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#146 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Gamespot is still going to give it an 8.5. X-Play is going to give it a 2 or 3 out of 5.WithoutGraceXII
Do any real gamers even watch X-Play and/or take it seriously?

They're reviews are questionable, but they often have previews of upcoming games that are good. Plus it's funny imo. Plus Morgan Webb imo.

you don't have to add "imo" at the end of every sentence to make it clear that's what you think about the subject :P
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#147 Seabas989
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Very impressive score. Can't wait to play it later this year. :D

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#148 arbitor365
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Why are people talking about EDGE's anti-PS3 patterns in a thread about Skyward Sword?waltefmoney

its because some people were like

"whaa? why dont alot of people take edge magazine seriously? i just have no clue why that might be. thats just comepltely out of nowhere"

when clearly, edge is a fringe reviewing source.

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#149 locopatho
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Excellent news, Edge are tough to please :D
[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

Then go play something else?

The game was planned and built around this so EDGE's 10/10 score has motion controls DNA all over it.

Compromising the control scheme to run on control pads would have held back the team and most likely result in a very diferent game.

Shinobishyguy

Options comprises control schemes?

when the entire combat system and puzzles are designed around motion controls, yes, yes they do.

Options are never bad.
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#150 arbitor365
Member since 2009 • 2726 Posts

Lets take a look at these graphs here. Well, they look pretty much the same.

Edge likes Halo a little too much. They like Valve as well...Explains why they didn't like MGS4 :P Edge doesn't like Resistance, Killzone, Mass Effect or Gears as much as the average Joe.

So...I don't see what's wrong? Edge gave pretty low scores to games on both sides. Sure the numbers are low but when you look at the actual games, I don't see anything wrong with it.

http://edgevsmeta.blogspot.com/2010/03/edge-vs-metacritic-does-games-platform.html

AmayaPapaya

lol. why did you just cite a source that shows edge to be biased?