EDGE magazine rewards Skyward Sword a perfect 10.

They give out 7's 8's and 9's in largely the same proportion as GameSpot, so no, a 5 from Edge shouldn't be considered any better than a 5 from GameSpot.

A gaf member did a meta-analysis of their scores.

For comparative purposes, previous meta-analyses of GS and IGN are referred to. This is GS:

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Also as pointed out in that thread, the assertion that review scores should average at five on a ten point scale is flawed and based on the assumption that games never go through some sort of QA process.

shinrabanshou

thank you for refuting the old argument that edge fans make

"edge magazine uses a different scale and thus cant be compared to other reviewing sites and metacritic."

im not sure if that was your intention

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

Lets take a look at these graphs here. Well, they look pretty much the same.

Edge likes Halo a little too much. They like Valve as well...Explains why they didn't like MGS4 :P Edge doesn't like Resistance, Killzone, Mass Effect or Gears as much as the average Joe.

So...I don't see what's wrong? Edge gave pretty low scores to games on both sides. Sure the numbers are low but when you look at the actual games, I don't see anything wrong with it.

http://edgevsmeta.blogspot.com/2010/03/edge-vs-metacritic-does-games-platform.html

arbitor365

lol. why did you just cite a source that shows edge to be biased?

I sourced the graphs :| I would have posted them instead of linking but after fighting with GS for too long I gave up. The guy who made the article interpreted the evidence in a certain way, I interpret it in another.

[QUOTE="Arach666"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Again, while it's a good score and certainly bodes well; I'm not seeing why a 10 from EDGE, should be considered "huge" in particular.

They've given more 10s this gen than GS has in total.

lbjkurono23

Although I hyped it AAAAE at GS (and that may still not happen) there is no doubt that this game will get AAA.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

Gamespot should give it an 8.8 Make it a tradition gamespot.8)

BrunoBRS

They can make an exception with zelda.:P

Nice score, but I will wait for more reviews.

Excellent news, Edge are tough to please :D [QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

Options comprises control schemes?

locopatho

If the existance of said options end up gimping the experience for other modes and detracting from the overall experience. Yes, then they are bad.

I honestly dont see how they could use a gamepad for this game. KB/M and motion controllers are the only viable options. The swordplay itself is built around the wiimote.

I still have a strong feeling the gamepad ended up gimping several multiplat titles such as Bethesda titles. I also believe X-Com Apocalypse would have been better if it didnt support both RTWP and Turn Based and instead just focused on one of them, same goes for Arcanum. So yeah, sometimes giving more options is not always a good thing.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

[QUOTE="GD1551"]Why shouldn't people get the option of classic controller support? Not everyone likes the waggle.

GD1551

Then go play something else?

The game was planned and built around this so EDGE's 10/10 score has motion controls DNA all over it.

Compromising the control scheme to run on control pads would have held back the team and most likely result in a very diferent game.

Options comprises control schemes?

Even more so when a particular control scheme is the foundation for how the title is played.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Excellent news, Edge are tough to please :D [QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] when the entire combat system and puzzles are designed around motion controls, yes, yes they do.Maroxad

If the existance of said options end up gimping the experience for other modes and detracting from the overall experience. Yes, then they are bad.

I honestly dont see how they could use a gamepad for this game. KB/M and motion controllers are the only viable options. The swordplay itself is built around the wiimote.

I still have a strong feeling the gamepad ended up gimping several multiplat titles such as Bethesda titles. I also believe X-Com Apocalypse would have been better if it didnt support both RTWP and Turn Based and instead just focused on one of them, same goes for Arcanum.

They did. Halo 3 :lol: HAHAHA. (They like halo. Problem?)

The Orange Box; Okay since it has HL2 and 4 other games...

Super Mario Galaxy :lol: (Lol at the game with the highest MC this gen and 2nd only to OOT?)

Grand Theft Auto IV :lol: worst game of the generation (Industry goof. Almost everyone gave it a 10)

Little Big Planet; Not really a 10 (LBP is an amazing game. I'd give it a 10 before a 9 too)

Bayonetta :lol: :lol: SERIOUSLY? (Judging by some user comments, Bayonneta is the best hack and slash this gen and a really fun game. Games can't get 10s anymore for being fun?)

Super Mario Galaxy 2 :lol: (2nd highest MC only to the first one and got a 10 on GS and IGN...You know, the same ones that gave MGS4 a 10)

Rock Band 3 :lol: :lol: :lol: NO WAY (Never played it so can't comment other than by saying that Rock Band is probably the best Party game franchise this gen based on the previous 2.)

not counting The Legend of Zelda: Skyward SwordMozelleple112

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Options are never bad.locopatho

If the existance of said options end up gimping the experience for other modes and detracting from the overall experience. Yes, then they are bad.

I honestly dont see how they could use a gamepad for this game. KB/M and motion controllers are the only viable options. The swordplay itself is built around the wiimote.

I still have a strong feeling the gamepad ended up gimping several multiplat titles such as Bethesda titles. I also believe X-Com Apocalypse would have been better if it didnt support both RTWP and Turn Based and instead just focused on one of them, same goes for Arcanum.

What they are saying is, it's impossible to give that option without changing the game. Motion control is simply impossible to replicate with a controller.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Options are never bad.locopatho

If the existance of said options end up gimping the experience for other modes and detracting from the overall experience. Yes, then they are bad.

I honestly dont see how they could use a gamepad for this game. KB/M and motion controllers are the only viable options. The swordplay itself is built around the wiimote.

I still have a strong feeling the gamepad ended up gimping several multiplat titles such as Bethesda titles. I also believe X-Com Apocalypse would have been better if it didnt support both RTWP and Turn Based and instead just focused on one of them, same goes for Arcanum.

Yeah, generally I am for options. But in the case of adding support for traditional controllers for Skyward Sword would just not work. Especially as the game was designed around WM+.

I highly doubt Skyward Sword would work using traditional controllers. Especially considering how combat uses directional attacks (like in Mount&Blade). Heck, there is a reason Mount and Blade Warband never got a console version, despite one being originally planned. It just wouldnt work with the controls, without completely rebalancing and redesigning the combat system. The same goes for Skyward Sword, if they added normal controller compatability, they would have to rebalance the combat system as the combat system was built ground up for wiimote +.

I love the shock and awe everyone seems to have over a Zelda game possibly being fantastic. I never had any real doubts about Skyward Sword being awesome.

Thought System Wars didn't like Edge.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

If the existance of said options end up gimping the experience for other modes and detracting from the overall experience. Yes, then they are bad.

I honestly dont see how they could use a gamepad for this game. KB/M and motion controllers are the only viable options. The swordplay itself is built around the wiimote.

I still have a strong feeling the gamepad ended up gimping several multiplat titles such as Bethesda titles. I also believe X-Com Apocalypse would have been better if it didnt support both RTWP and Turn Based and instead just focused on one of them, same goes for Arcanum.

Maroxad

Yeah, generally I am for options. But in the case of adding support for traditional controllers for Skyward Sword would just not work. Especially as the game was designed around WM+.

I highly doubt Skyward Sword would work using traditional controllers. Especially considering how combat uses directional attacks (like in Mount&Blade). Heck, there is a reason Mount and Blade Warband never got a console version, despite one being originally planned. It just wouldnt work with the controls, without completely rebalancing and redesigning the combat system. The same goes for Skyward Sword, if they added normal controller compatability, they would have to rebalance the combat system as the combat system was built ground up for wiimote +.

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"][QUOTE="lbjkurono23"] They did. Halo 3 :lol: HAHAHA.

The Orange Box; Okay since it has HL2 and 4 other games...

Super Mario Galaxy :lol: (Lol at the game with the higest MC this gen and 2nd only to OOT?)

Grand Theft Auto IV :lol: worst game of the generation (Industry goof. Almost everyone gave it a 10)

Little Big Planet; Not really a 10 (LBP is an amazing game. I'd give it a 10 before a 9 too)

Bayonetta :lol: :lol: SERIOUSLY? (Judgeing by some user comments, Bayonneta is the best hack and slash this gen and a really fun game. Games can't get 10s anymore for being fun?)

Super Mario Galaxy 2 :lol: (2nd highest MC only to the first one and got a 10 on GS and IGN...You know, the same ones that gave MGS4 a 10)

Rock Band 3 :lol: :lol: :lol: NO WAY (Never played it so can't comment other than by saying that Rock Band is probably the best Party game franchise this gen based on the previous 2.)

not counting The Legend of Zelda: Skyward SwordAmayaPapaya

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Do you know what an option is? It's something you can turn off if you don't like. For example, I don't like all of the assists in Forza, so I turn em off. No harm to me, but the existance of these options is great for some gamers. Options are always good, even when something like Uncharted's silly Sixaxis controls I'm sure there's people out there who liked it!locopatho

Yeah, generally I am for options. But in the case of adding support for traditional controllers for Skyward Sword would just not work. Especially as the game was designed around WM+.

I highly doubt Skyward Sword would work using traditional controllers. Especially considering how combat uses directional attacks (like in Mount&Blade). Heck, there is a reason Mount and Blade Warband never got a console version, despite one being originally planned. It just wouldnt work with the controls, without completely rebalancing and redesigning the combat system. The same goes for Skyward Sword, if they added normal controller compatability, they would have to rebalance the combat system as the combat system was built ground up for wiimote +.

Fair enough.

Although I would rather see a game fully utilize 1 control scheme and take full advantage of it than seeing a game have many control schemes but as a result, does not take full advantage of either and ends up feeling dumbed down. This is how I feel, especially as a PC gamer where I feel many of my games feel dumbed down so they could be designed around gamepads. The games does not do anything to take advantage of the KB/M combo.

Fix that quote up, I never wrote that crap.

lbjkurono23

Fix'd didn't mean to offend.

[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]

Fix that quote up, I never wrote that crap.

AmayaPapaya

Fix'd didn't mean to offend.

Thought System Wars didn't like Edge.

LegatoSkyheart

I still dont trust thier opinion. I dont care if they give a game im excited for a 11/10.

It's funny that most of System Wars didn't hold EDGE as a credible source, yet now they do. I'll wait to see some reviews that are closer to the release of the game.sammyjenkis898

when its good for the poster they will agree with edge.

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]It's funny that most of System Wars didn't hold EDGE as a credible source, yet now they do. I'll wait to see some reviews that are closer to the release of the game.finalfantasy94

when its good for the poster they will agree with edge.

Eh? I don't know if that's directed at me but I don't think I've ever disagreed with Edge. I don't necessarily follow them, but I when I see their reviews, I take them seriously. If I do recall correctly, they did have 1 review I didn't like (can't remember) but whenever there is outlet based on opinions, you are going to disagree with it sooner or later.

It's going to be funny if it gets a 10 on GS and wins GOTY here.

I'm going to enjoy that day only because of System Wars :D.

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="Mozelleple112"]lbjkurono23

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Options are never bad.locopatho

If the existance of said options end up gimping the experience for other modes and detracting from the overall experience. Yes, then they are bad.

I honestly dont see how they could use a gamepad for this game. KB/M and motion controllers are the only viable options. The swordplay itself is built around the wiimote.

I still have a strong feeling the gamepad ended up gimping several multiplat titles such as Bethesda titles. I also believe X-Com Apocalypse would have been better if it didnt support both RTWP and Turn Based and instead just focused on one of them, same goes for Arcanum.

it would be like trying to play assassin's creed with an atari joystick :|

So many opinions

[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

Mozelleple112

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]It's funny that most of System Wars didn't hold EDGE as a credible source, yet now they do. I'll wait to see some reviews that are closer to the release of the game.AmayaPapaya

when its good for the poster they will agree with edge.

Eh? I don't know if that's directed at me but I don't think I've ever disagreed with Edge. I don't necessarily follow them, but I when I see their reviews, I take them seriously. If I do recall correctly, they did have 1 review I didn't like (can't remember) but whenever there is outlet based on opinions, you are going to disagree with it sooner or later.

It directly aimed to anyone who has said edge has always sucked and only said "yea I knew this game would be awesome" when it favors a game you are hyped about. Now if you actuall have a alot that you agree on and take thier opinoin seriously most of the time its not aiming at you. Me iv always said edge sucked and never take them serious. Even though im excited to play this LOZ I still wont take what they say with trust or seriousness.

D) Uhhhh no. God of War 3 is the best hack 'n slash this generation, period. God of War 3 isn't 10/10 worthy, so Bayonetta is certainly far from being a 10.Mozelleple112

Yeah...no, no, no, no, no...GOW3 doesn't hold a candle to Bayonetta, in fact, for someone who takes way too serious GS, you should remember what hack and slash was nominated for GOTY last year.

It's going to be funny if it gets a 10 on GS and wins GOTY here.

I'm going to enjoy that day only because of System Wars :D.

Haziqonfire

By Wii standards? Cool.

By Wii standards? Cool.

Pug-Nasty

Yes, SMG2 got a 10 on Gamespot and IGN, but Gamespot picked RDR as their GOTY and IGN picked ME2 as theirs. Wii has MUCH lower standards than the HD twins, and naturally, the PC. if SMG2 was on 360 and PS3 it would get a 9.5 at best, and perhaps a 9.0 if it was a PC exclusive... MGS4 scored a 10 from any reviewer that's actually relevant.Mozelleple112

You know, sometimes it's best to think before you post.

Wow. Nintendo's still got it.

waltefmoney

they never lost it

By Wii standards? Cool.

Pug-Nasty

No need to feel threatened by it, you've got plenty of games to play too :P

[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

Mozelleple112

Everything you said in A is false:?

GTA has a 98 Meta-Critic

http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/score/metascore/all/xbox360?view=condensed&sort=desc

OOT a 99

http://www.metacritic.com/games/legacy

In B you can't single out Edge if everyone did it. That's just simply how it works.

In C, You say LBP should get a 9.5 when that option is not available in Edge. Only 9.0 or 10. That's it.

D) From a gameplay standpoint, (from what I've heard and played in the demo) Bayonneta simply does more than GOW3, which is good enough for some people, including Edge. GOW 3 also had a problem with the pacing. Santa Monica spent all it's recources on the intro and Cronos fight that the rest of the game (the other 90%) could have all been done on the PS2.

E just doesn't make sense. Going by your logic, in 2009, the PS3 had lower standards than the PS3 because Demon's Souls got GOTY not Uncharted 2 which scored higher. There is a simple fact about MGS4. It has long cutscenes. Long enough to where they make up almost half of the game. That a good enough reason to not get a 10.

Based off of what was said in A, I shouldn't have even read anything past it. But whatever.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

By Wii standards? Cool.

WreckEm711

No need to feel threatened by it, you've got plenty of games to play too :P

I don't. I'll be glad if the game turns out good, but ratings aren't going to show that. You never know how much nostalgia the reviewer has for a series like this.

The gameplay has looked absolutely repugnant to me since this game was first shown. Hopefully, I was incredibly mistaken.

By Wii standards? Cool.

Pug-Nasty

By EDGE standards.

[QUOTE="AmayaPapaya"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

when its good for the poster they will agree with edge.

finalfantasy94

Eh? I don't know if that's directed at me but I don't think I've ever disagreed with Edge. I don't necessarily follow them, but I when I see their reviews, I take them seriously. If I do recall correctly, they did have 1 review I didn't like (can't remember) but whenever there is outlet based on opinions, you are going to disagree with it sooner or later.

It directly aimed to anyone who has said edge has always sucked and only said "yea I knew this game would be awesome" when it favors a game you are hyped about. Now if you actuall have a alot that you agree on and take thier opinoin seriously most of the time its not aiming at you. Me iv always said edge sucked and never take them serious. Even though im excited to play this LOZ I still wont take what they say with trust or seriousness.

Ah, I see what you mean. I'm the same way with GI. They could come out with a review tomorrow that gives SS an 11/10 and calls it the greatest piece of entertainment ever made, and I'd still call them and the review crap.

The amount of damage control in this thread is hilarious. :lol:

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

By Wii standards? Cool.

Shinobishyguy

It's going to be funny if it gets a 10 on GS and wins GOTY here.I'm going to enjoy that day only because of System Wars :D.Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

By Wii standards? Cool.

BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Wow. Nintendo's still got it.

Mario1331

they never lost it

Yes! Let us feed on your hate! We enjoy it! Muhahaha!

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Wow. Nintendo's still got it.

Bread_or_Decide

they never lost it

No they didn't :|

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

Wow. Nintendo's still got it.

Bread_or_Decide

they never lost it

When did they lose it? You couldn't say now because both SMGs are the highest rated games this gen on gamerankings, and, from the looks of it, Zelda may join them. You couldn't say last gen because Metroid Prime 1/2 are simply amazing. The gen before that there was OOT and SM64. Do I even have to go as far back as the SNES and NES?