Exclusives don't matter as much as people say.

[QUOTE="randomguy15"]

[QUOTE="lucfonzy"]

Ok dude, this is the last time I'm gonna quote you I swear!! :D

I have to admit, as you've pointed out, I don't have any valid points for the future gaming exclusives.

But I do know that the PS3 has announced a number of exclusives, Killzone 3, GT5, The Last Guardian, Infamous 2, Socom 4, Resistance 3, Twisted Metal.

As far as I am aware the Xbox has Halo Reach, Gears 3. That's all I can think of.

And as you've noticed I haven't restricted the list to 2010. But please, I would like to know what else the Xbox has coming for it. No I really do!!

lucfonzy

Well, I guess that's your opinion, and the opinion of many others, but to me exclusives do matter, because what's the point in having a 360 when i already own most of the games on the PC, and the PS3 is sitting there with a giant mountain of exclusives I want to play but can't because I don't own the system.

]Downfall? Explain? Smells like BS damage control. The PS2 is still on the market and selling, in fact it outsold the 360 in the last quarter. Now that's sad. Sony is owning it up. The PS3 has nothing but gained market share since it was released, the 360 has nothing but lost it. Spinning is nice eh?FriendlyGaimz

yes, i'm sure the fact that sony went from the uncontested winner with a 75% market share to a 28% share is just me spinning the facts :roll:

or the fact that the playstation division has done nothing but cost sony money since 2006/2007

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]]Downfall? Explain? Smells like BS damage control. The PS2 is still on the market and selling, in fact it outsold the 360 in the last quarter. Now that's sad. Sony is owning it up. The PS3 has nothing but gained market share since it was released, the 360 has nothing but lost it. Spinning is nice eh?ohthemanatee

yes, i'm sure the fact that sony went from the uncontested winner with a 75% market share to a 28% share is just me spinning the facts :roll:

or the fact that the playstation division has done nothing but cost sony money since 2006/2007

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]]Downfall? Explain? Smells like BS damage control. The PS2 is still on the market and selling, in fact it outsold the 360 in the last quarter. Now that's sad. Sony is owning it up. The PS3 has nothing but gained market share since it was released, the 360 has nothing but lost it. Spinning is nice eh?ohthemanatee

yes, i'm sure the fact that sony went from the uncontested winner with a 75% market share to a 28% share is just me spinning the facts :roll:

or the fact that the playstation division has done nothing but cost sony money since 2006/2007

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] New generation, new rules, it was bound to happen, the market cant focus on 1 direction for ever. But hes right though, its sold more than the 360 in the same time frames, the years head start is the only reason its not winning.FriendlyGaimz

Agreed, but if we are suddenly going to start claiming "ownage" i'd say that sony's downfall was a much bigger "ownage" then anything else

the 360 is at the tipping point. Bungie just left MS, and therefore the flagship title is now forever doomed to be milked to it's gritty painful demise. Recent exclusives are not selling so well.

Playstation really is going from strength to strength, with many exceptional exclusives in the pipeline (which are important incase you you didn't know).

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

it's beating the 360, but after 4 years it still behind

Price is not the end all factor

the only ownage I see is that fact that sony went from a 75% market share to dead last

ohthemanatee

Agreed, but if we are suddenly going to start claiming "ownage" i'd say that sony's downfallwas a much bigger "ownage" then anything else

:D if in "sony's downfall" they can still produce most diverse,highly acclaimed, standard setting and innovative AAA console exclusive this gen than any other console provider on the market then-- I would say that that's pretty big ownage on the people trying to praising other consoles and while trying tobash Sony.

More spin? The PS2 IS STILL selling, it just outsold the 360 hahaha.FriendlyGaimz

The 360 went from 100% marketshare to like 15%?FriendlyGaimz

and you accuse me of spinning? :lol:

By the way, if sony has a market share of 28% and if there are more 360's sold then there are PS3's then that means that the 360 has more then a 15% market share ;)

Now that's a major downfall. MS is down like 6billion dollars, Sony hasn't lost anywhere near that. So why don't you get your facts straight. FriendlyGaimz

YOU get your facts straight

sony lost more money on the PS3 then they made on the PS2

:D if in "sony's downfall" they can still produce most diverse,highly acclaimed, standard setting and innovative AAA console exclusive this gen than any other console provider on the market then-- I would say that that's pretty big ownage on the people trying to praising other consoles and while trying tobash Sony.

hard_body79

they can? I hadn't noticed it

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]]Downfall? Explain? Smells like BS damage control. The PS2 is still on the market and selling, in fact it outsold the 360 in the last quarter. Now that's sad. Sony is owning it up. The PS3 has nothing but gained market share since it was released, the 360 has nothing but lost it. Spinning is nice eh?TintedEyes

yes, i'm sure the fact that sony went from the uncontested winner with a 75% market share to a 28% share is just me spinning the facts :roll:

or the fact that the playstation division has done nothing but cost sony money since 2006/2007

and because a product sells that somehow stops it from loosing market share?

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"] More spin? The PS2 IS STILL selling, it just outsold the 360 hahaha.ohthemanatee

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

yes, i'm sure the fact that sony went from the uncontested winner with a 75% market share to a 28% share is just me spinning the facts :roll:

or the fact that the playstation division has done nothing but cost sony money since 2006/2007

ohthemanatee

and because a product sells that somehow stops it from loosing market share?

[QUOTE="hard_body79"]

:D if in "sony's downfall" they can still produce most diverse,highly acclaimed, standard setting and innovative AAA console exclusive this gen than any other console provider on the market then-- I would say that that's pretty big ownage on the people trying to praising other consoles and while trying tobash Sony.

ohthemanatee

they can? I hadn't noticed it

MGS4

Killzone 2

Infamous

Little Big Planet

Demon's Souls

Uncharted 2

and GOW3 say hello...:D

It's hard to notice something when you have blinders on.

MGS4

Killzone 2

Infamous

Little Big Planet

Demon's Souls

Uncharted 2

and GOW3 say hello...:D

hard_body79

half of your list are not sony games, rather, sony was just the publisher

yup ps2 is still selling and its part of the marketshareTintedEyes

and how does a product selling somehow stops it from loosing market share?

here let me give you an example: the 360 still sells, yet it lost market share in 2009

see? A product can still sell and loose market share at the same time

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] how did it lose marketshare ps2 is still sellingTintedEyes

and because a product sells that somehow stops it from loosing market share?

it's not that simple :lol:

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"] and yet the 360 is now outselling the PS3 hahaha

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]The 360 went from 100% marketshare to like 15%?ohthemanatee

and you accuse me of spinning? :lol:

By the way, if sony has a market share of 28% and if there are more 360's sold then there are PS3's then that means that the 360 has more then a 15% market share ;)

Now that's a major downfall. MS is down like 6billion dollars, Sony hasn't lost anywhere near that. So why don't you get your facts straight. FriendlyGaimz

YOU get your facts straight

sony lost more money on the PS3 then they made on the PS2

Wait... didn't you just prove his point? MS are $6billion down.

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"] and yet the 360 is now outselling the PS3 hahaha

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]The 360 went from 100% marketshare to like 15%?ohthemanatee

and you accuse me of spinning? :lol:

By the way, if sony has a market share of 28% and if there are more 360's sold then there are PS3's then that means that the 360 has more then a 15% market share ;)

Now that's a major downfall. MS is down like 6billion dollars, Sony hasn't lost anywhere near that. So why don't you get your facts straight. FriendlyGaimz

YOU get your facts straight

sony lost more money on the PS3 then they made on the PS2

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]yup ps2 is still selling and its part of the marketshareohthemanatee

and how does a product selling somehow stops it from loosing market share?

here let me give you an example: the 360 still sells, yet it lost market share in 2009

see? A product can still sell and loose market share at the same time

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"] so you're actually taking the 360's market share from when it didn't even have competition and you're using THAT as your basis?

and you accuse me of spinning? :lol:

By the way, if sony has a market share of 28% and if there are more 360's sold then there are PS3's then that means that the 360 has more then a 15% market share ;)

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]Now that's a major downfall. MS is down like 6billion dollars, Sony hasn't lost anywhere near that. So why don't you get your facts straight. lucfonzy

YOU get your facts straight

sony lost more money on the PS3 then they made on the PS2

Wait... didn't you just prove his point? MS are $6billion down.

as a Whole yes, but i'm talking about evolution,

Sony went from being top dog to last place in sales and in the red every year

Microsoft has been able to get out of the red, it's been turning in a proffit since 2008

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"]yup ps2 is still selling and its part of the marketshareTintedEyes

and how does a product selling somehow stops it from loosing market share?

here let me give you an example: the 360 still sells, yet it lost market share in 2009

see? A product can still sell and loose market share at the same time

first of all, I was originally only counting current gen consoles,

but if we go by your logic (which is errouneous by the way) then sony STILL lost market share, here, let's do some math shall we?

last gen:

120 million PS2's

25 million Xboxes

20 million gamecubes

Sony: 72% Market share

Microsoft: 15%

Nintendo: 13%

Now, let's for a moment assume the PS2 still counts (even though that's not how it works)

140 million PS2 + 36 million PS3

25 million xboxes + 41 million xboxes

20 million gamecubes + 73 million gamecubes

Sony: 52% market Share

Microsoft: 19% market Share

Nintendo: 29%

However, in the real world, this is how it works:

Sony 24,1%

Microsoft: 27,6 %

Nintendo 48,3%

Hahaha :lol: I can't stop laughing at the self ownage :lol: hahaha this is EPIC SW MATERIAL RIGHT HERE!

FriendlyGaimz

dude, I just proved that sony fell to last place this gen and you just keep ignoring it

is the truth hurtfull?

I love how you keep using the year head start in your favor but the moment it's used against you it's spinning :lol: hahaha The 360 has just lost lost lost ever since the PS3 was released, and if you gonna speak about last gen marketshare get your facts straight because the PS2 is still outselling the 360 :lol: LOOOOOOOOOOL

FriendlyGaimz

and sony is still in the red,

it lost market share, money and consumer confidence, no matter how you slice it, sony was the big looser this gen ;)

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

and how does a product selling somehow stops it from loosing market share?

here let me give you an example: the 360 still sells, yet it lost market share in 2009

see? A product can still sell and loose market share at the same time

ohthemanatee

first of all, I was originally only counting current gen consoles,

but if we go by your logic (which is errouneous by the way) then sony STILL lost market share, here, let's do some math shall we?

last gen:

120 million PS2's

25 million Xboxes

20 million gamecubes

Sony: 72% Market share

Microsoft: 15%

Nintendo: 13%

Now, let's for a moment assume the PS2 still counts (even though that's not how it works)

140 million PS2 + 36 million PS3

25 million xboxes + 41 million xboxes

20 million gamecubes + 73 million gamecubes

Sony: 52% market Share

Microsoft: 19% market Share

Nintendo: 29%

However, in the real world, this is how it works:

Sony 24,1%

Microsoft: 27,6 %

Nintendo 48,3%

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]

I love how you keep using the year head start in your favor but the moment it's used against you it's spinning :lol: hahaha The 360 has just lost lost lost ever since the PS3 was released, and if you gonna speak about last gen marketshare get your facts straight because the PS2 is still outselling the 360 :lol: LOOOOOOOOOOL

ohthemanatee

and sony is still in the red,

it lost market share, money and consumer confidence, no matter how you slice it, sony was the big looser this gen ;)

But surely that is irrelivant.

Sony is still the top market shareholder, meaning it's still bringing in the most money, which in turn goes into publishing and making more "better" games?

[QUOTE="hard_body79"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

half of your list are not sony games, rather, sony was just the publisher

ohthemanatee

But they are PS3 exclusives, You were the one talking about "sony's downfall" but they secured those high quality and highly praised excusives

Mann talk about grasping for straws, it's not my fault you made that silly statement.If you hadn't posted such a silly comment,you wouldn't have to defend it now would you.

you're the one who said "they can still produce"

maybe you should think before you type eh?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]

I love how you keep using the year head start in your favor but the moment it's used against you it's spinning :lol: hahaha The 360 has just lost lost lost ever since the PS3 was released, and if you gonna speak about last gen marketshare get your facts straight because the PS2 is still outselling the 360 :lol: LOOOOOOOOOOL

lucfonzy

and sony is still in the red,

it lost market share, money and consumer confidence, no matter how you slice it, sony was the big looser this gen ;)

But surely that is irrelivant.

Sony is still the top market shareholder, meaning it's still bringing in the most money, which in turn goes into publishing and making more "better" games?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="FriendlyGaimz"]

I love how you keep using the year head start in your favor but the moment it's used against you it's spinning :lol: hahaha The 360 has just lost lost lost ever since the PS3 was released, and if you gonna speak about last gen marketshare get your facts straight because the PS2 is still outselling the 360 :lol: LOOOOOOOOOOL

lucfonzy

and sony is still in the red,

it lost market share, money and consumer confidence, no matter how you slice it, sony was the big looser this gen ;)

But surely that is irrelivant.

Sony is still the top market shareholder, meaning it's still bringing in the most money, which in turn goes into publishing and making more "better" games?

I just proved that sony is the only one who is in still in the red every fiscal year :?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] but its got 140 million so sony didnt lose all that marketshare you talk aboutTintedEyes

first of all, I was originally only counting current gen consoles,

but if we go by your logic (which is errouneous by the way) then sony STILL lost market share, here, let's do some math shall we?

last gen:

120 million PS2's

25 million Xboxes

20 million gamecubes

Sony: 72% Market share

Microsoft: 15%

Nintendo: 13%

Now, let's for a moment assume the PS2 still counts (even though that's not how it works)

140 million PS2 + 36 million PS3

25 million xboxes + 41 million xboxes

20 million gamecubes + 73 million gamecubes

Sony: 52% market Share

Microsoft: 19% market Share

Nintendo: 29%

However, in the real world, this is how it works:

Sony 24,1%

Microsoft: 27,6 %

Nintendo 48,3%

you were the one claiming that sony didn't lose any marketshare

It's like hes proud of MS taking all hes money but even then MS still looses bad :(FriendlyGaimz

I like it how ignored my previous posts.

Can't come up with an argument I assume?

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] but its got 140 million so sony didnt lose all that marketshare you talk aboutTintedEyes

first of all, I was originally only counting current gen consoles,

but if we go by your logic (which is errouneous by the way) then sony STILL lost market share, here, let's do some math shall we?

last gen:

120 million PS2's

25 million Xboxes

20 million gamecubes

Sony: 72% Market share

Microsoft: 15%

Nintendo: 13%

Now, let's for a moment assume the PS2 still counts (even though that's not how it works)

140 million PS2 + 36 million PS3

25 million xboxes + 41 million xboxes

20 million gamecubes + 73 million gamecubes

Sony: 52% market Share

Microsoft: 19% market Share

Nintendo: 29%

However, in the real world, this is how it works:

Sony 24,1%

Microsoft: 27,6 %

Nintendo 48,3%

they lost 50% market share in 5 years how is that not loosing much?

[QUOTE="lucfonzy"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

and sony is still in the red,

it lost market share, money and consumer confidence, no matter how you slice it, sony was the big looser this gen ;)

ohthemanatee

But surely that is irrelivant.

Sony is still the top market shareholder, meaning it's still bringing in the most money, which in turn goes into publishing and making more "better" games?

I just proved that sony is the only one who is in still in the red every fiscal year :?

Oh, I thought you just proved that MS was $6 billion dollars down, Sony was $45mil down, and MS is above in the current gen whilst that sony is still the overall number 1 market shareholder,

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

first of all, I was originally only counting current gen consoles,

but if we go by your logic (which is errouneous by the way) then sony STILL lost market share, here, let's do some math shall we?

last gen:

120 million PS2's

25 million Xboxes

20 million gamecubes

Sony: 72% Market share

Microsoft: 15%

Nintendo: 13%

Now, let's for a moment assume the PS2 still counts (even though that's not how it works)

140 million PS2 + 36 million PS3

25 million xboxes + 41 million xboxes

20 million gamecubes + 73 million gamecubes

Sony: 52% market Share

Microsoft: 19% market Share

Nintendo: 29%

However, in the real world, this is how it works:

Sony 24,1%

Microsoft: 27,6 %

Nintendo 48,3%

KarateeeChop

you were the one claiming that sony didn't lose any marketshare

[QUOTE="lucfonzy"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

and sony is still in the red,

it lost market share, money and consumer confidence, no matter how you slice it, sony was the big looser this gen ;)

FriendlyGaimz

But surely that is irrelivant.

Sony is still the top market shareholder, meaning it's still bringing in the most money, which in turn goes into publishing and making more "better" games?

so now it's a good thing that sony is losing and ms is gaining, as it would mean that ms is "taking all his money"?

:lol:

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

first of all, I was originally only counting current gen consoles,

but if we go by your logic (which is errouneous by the way) then sony STILL lost market share, here, let's do some math shall we?

last gen:

120 million PS2's

25 million Xboxes

20 million gamecubes

Sony: 72% Market share

Microsoft: 15%

Nintendo: 13%

Now, let's for a moment assume the PS2 still counts (even though that's not how it works)

140 million PS2 + 36 million PS3

25 million xboxes + 41 million xboxes

20 million gamecubes + 73 million gamecubes

Sony: 52% market Share

Microsoft: 19% market Share

Nintendo: 29%

However, in the real world, this is how it works:

Sony 24,1%

Microsoft: 27,6 %

Nintendo 48,3%

ohthemanatee

they lost 50% market share in 5 years how is that not loosing much?

no only 30 percent which is still a lot but not as people make it out to beTintedEyes

no, they lost 50% as I proved in my post

Oh, I thought you just proved that MS was $6 billion dollars down, Sony was $45mil down, and MS is above in the current gen whilst that sony is still the overall number 1 market shareholder,

lucfonzy

selective reading much? I proved that they are the only ones who are constantly in the red.

I also proved they they are the ones with the less market share

[QUOTE="lucfonzy"]

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

I just proved that sony is the only one who is in still in the red every fiscal year :?

FriendlyGaimz

Oh, I thought you just proved that MS was $6 billion dollars down, Sony was $45mil down, and MS is above in the current gen whilst that sony is still the overall number 1 market shareholder,

I'm still waiting for you to try and counter my argument.

[QUOTE="lucfonzy"]

Oh, I thought you just proved that MS was $6 billion dollars down, Sony was $45mil down, and MS is above in the current gen whilst that sony is still the overall number 1 market shareholder,

ohthemanatee

selective reading much? I proved that they are the only ones who are constantly in the red.

I also proved they they are the ones with the less market share

Yeah, ok it was a bit selective, but the point is Sony's playstation 2 is still the largest selling console ever, and it's still bring in sales, aswell as the PS3.

Sony is still losing money though as you pointed out, which I can't really understand tbh, although... didn't you miss out the last 3 years in that chart for Sony? I can't remember.

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] no only 30 percent which is still a lot but not as people make it out to beohthemanatee

no, they lost 50% as I proved in my post

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] no only 30 percent which is still a lot but not as people make it out to beTintedEyes

no, they lost 50% as I proved in my post

we're talking about this gen.

it's unhealthy to cling to the past

Yeah, ok it was a bit selective, but the point is Sony's playstation 2 is still the largest selling console ever, and it's still bring in sales, aswell as the PS3.

Sony is still losing money though as you pointed out, which I can't really understand tbh, although... didn't you miss out the last 3 years in that chart for Sony? I can't remember.

lucfonzy

yes, the PS2 is the largest selling console ever, I don't deny this.

But what I am talking about is evolution, in terms of evolution sony went from being the top dog to last place, if you look at the fiscal years, you see that Microsoft was loosing millions or billions every year while sony was making millions every year. But after 2008 their roles reversed.

this is what I mean, Sony lost 50 % of it's market share and is loosing money every year

as for your last question, I couldn't find info on sony's 1995-1997

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"] no only 30 percent which is still a lot but not as people make it out to beTintedEyes

no, they lost 50% as I proved in my post

oh? then why don't I throw all of windows sales while am at it?

It doesn't make any sense, but aparantly logic is not what we're after

[QUOTE="TintedEyes"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

no, they lost 50% as I proved in my post

KarateeeChop

we're talking about this gen.

it's unhealthy to cling to the past

But surely its irrelevant what gen it is, its still making sony money which they put into this gen also?

But surely its irrelevant what gen it is, its still making sony money which they put into this gen also?

lucfonzy

the problem is that the money from consoles comes from software sales and royalties.

In truth the PS2 produced very little of either those in 2007 and even less in 2008 (I can't read 2009 or 2010 as sony changed their reports structure, now every sony product is part of a larger division)

the PS2 has had very little impact in these last few years