Fallout 3: Sluggish, soulless and forgettablet ?!!!

[QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"]It's been estimated that 1/5 console gamers either exclusively or primarily pirates the games they playRuprechtMonkey

Uh, what?

Where are you getting this from?

That is an absurd claim.

a survey that was conducted in 2005 of console users

so now that this piracy talk is out of the way, to the "review":

am I the only one who noticed that the game was called a "heresy" by whomever wrote this drivel. Not to mention the numerous nostalgic comments about the "good-old-days" when black isle was in control

basically alot of fanboyism and blind bethesda hatred

I love the original fallout games as much as the next guy, but if I didn't know any better I'd swear that this "review" was written by one of those foaming-at-the-mouth uber-fanboys who had dismissed fallout 3 as trash the second it was announced

I'll wait for someone a little more objective looking to sound in before I judge

just my two cents

iron_zealot7531

well said buddy

That was honestly painful to read. It looked as if it was written by some snobbish brat who was dead-set on hating it from the start.Verge_6

No different then reading an article from a 'do no wrong' Beth fanboy who's dead-set on loving it from the start.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]That was honestly painful to read. It looked as if it was written by some snobbish brat who was dead-set on hating it from the start.LockeAteid

No different then reading an article from a 'do no wrong' Beth fanboy who's dead-set on loving it from the start.

or maybe just someone who loves the fallout series and is actually willing to give this game a chance

rather than merely dismissing it offhand, because black isle isn't at the helm

would of been nice if black isle was still around to make this I will admit

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]That was honestly painful to read. It looked as if it was written by some snobbish brat who was dead-set on hating it from the start.LockeAteid

No different then reading an article from a 'do no wrong' Beth fanboy who's dead-set on loving it from the start.

This is relevant to my post...how?

If it was a 'review' that spouted things like "The new Fallout completely trashes the prior two installments in every way, and is the new king of RPGs", I'd be just as disgusted.

[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

[QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"]It's been estimated that 1/5 console gamers either exclusively or primarily pirates the games they playiron_zealot7531

Uh, what?

Where are you getting this from?

That is an absurd claim.

a survey that was conducted in 2005 of console users

First of all, link? Throwing out claims is one thing, having something to back them up isn't.

Second of all, that date is conveniently before any of the current gen consoles launched.

[QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"]

so now that this piracy talk is out of the way, to the "review":

am I the only one who noticed that the game was called a "heresy" by whomever wrote this drivel. Not to mention the numerous nostalgic comments about the "good-old-days" when black isle was in control

basically alot of fanboyism and blind bethesda hatred

I love the original fallout games as much as the next guy, but if I didn't know any better I'd swear that this "review" was written by one of those foaming-at-the-mouth uber-fanboys who had dismissed fallout 3 as trash the second it was announced

I'll wait for someone a little more objective looking to sound in before I judge

just my two cents

iron_zealot7531

well said buddy

Haha, are you congratulating yourself?

[QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

[QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"]It's been estimated that 1/5 console gamers either exclusively or primarily pirates the games they playRuprechtMonkey

Uh, what?

Where are you getting this from?

That is an absurd claim.

a survey that was conducted in 2005 of console users

First of all, link? Throwing out claims is one thing, having something to back them up isn't.

Second of all, that date is conveniently before any of the current gen consoles launched.

i dont have a link its something I read years ago, google "console piracy survey" or something if you need proof

[QUOTE="LockeAteid"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]That was honestly painful to read. It looked as if it was written by some snobbish brat who was dead-set on hating it from the start.iron_zealot7531

No different then reading an article from a 'do no wrong' Beth fanboy who's dead-set on loving it from the start.

or maybe just someone who loves the fallout series and is actually willing to give this game a chance

That's a double-standard and you know it.

[QUOTE="LockeAteid"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]That was honestly painful to read. It looked as if it was written by some snobbish brat who was dead-set on hating it from the start.Verge_6

No different then reading an article from a 'do no wrong' Beth fanboy who's dead-set on loving it from the start.

This is relevant to my post...how?

If it was a 'review' that spouted things like "The new Fallout completely trashes the prior two installments in every way, and is the new king of RPGs", I'd be just as disgusted.

His review should have been written alot differently. I understand perfectly where you are coming from. He should have expressed his points in a more... subtle manner, not to mention even though it's perfectly justified, he should not compare it so much to the originals, I think that's the reason he is mostly mad. Also he said the VATS system is like the *Thing I should do when I can't kill something* type of system and he also mentioned that various creatures have the same weak point no matter what once you use VATS. Aim for that point and it's a kill. I would be disappointed if that were true, sounds like the combat is a little on the weak side. He mentioned nothing of story, but I hope it's good, will be getting either day 1 or next month :P

Again, it wasn't a review.

[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"][QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

[QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"]It's been estimated that 1/5 console gamers either exclusively or primarily pirates the games they playiron_zealot7531

Uh, what?

Where are you getting this from?

That is an absurd claim.

a survey that was conducted in 2005 of console users

First of all, link? Throwing out claims is one thing, having something to back them up isn't.

Second of all, that date is conveniently before any of the current gen consoles launched.

i dont have a link its something I read years ago, google "console piracy survey" or something if you need proof

I did, and I can't find anything to indicate that 20% of console users get their games through pirating.

It is a completely made up "fact."

Again, it wasn't a review.

RuprechtMonkey

Sorry his preview of the final build of the game because he is waiting on the Euro release date then.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="LockeAteid"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]That was honestly painful to read. It looked as if it was written by some snobbish brat who was dead-set on hating it from the start.Espada12

No different then reading an article from a 'do no wrong' Beth fanboy who's dead-set on loving it from the start.

This is relevant to my post...how?

If it was a 'review' that spouted things like "The new Fallout completely trashes the prior two installments in every way, and is the new king of RPGs", I'd be just as disgusted.

His review should have been written alot differently. I understand perfectly where you are coming from. He should have expressed his points in a more... subtle manner, not to mention even though it's perfectly justified, he should not compare it so much to the originals, I think that's the reason he is mostly mad. Also he said the VATS system is like the *Thing I should do when I can't kill something* type of system and he also mentioned that various creatures have the same weak point no matter what once you use VATS. Aim for that point and it's a kill. I would be disappointed if that were true, sounds like the combat is a little on the weak side. He mentioned nothing of story, but I hope it's good, will be getting either day 1 or next month :P

he labeled the game a heresy, nuff said

his opinion is thus invalidated

Again, it wasn't a review.

RuprechtMonkey

I don't care what it was, the fact a video game magazine saw it fit for inclusion in their latest issue it astounding.

[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Again, it wasn't a review.

Verge_6

I don't care what it was, the fact a video game magazine saw it fit for inclusion in their latest issue it astounding.

But again, what "magazine."

Have you ever heard of this magazine?

Worthless.

[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Again, it wasn't a review.

Espada12

Sorry his preview of the final build of the game because he is waiting on the Euro release date then.

And by the time other legit reviews come in it will be buried, again, whoever that is is clearly trying to get noteriety (otherwise everyone would be doing stuff like this.)

he labeled the game a heresy, nuff said

his opinion is thus invalidated

iron_zealot7531

Hmm saying the game sucks doesn't make his opinion any less than another reviewer. But the manner he did is very out of place.

[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Again, it wasn't a review.

RuprechtMonkey

Sorry his preview of the final build of the game because he is waiting on the Euro release date then.

And by the time other legit reviews come in it will be buried, again, whoever that is is clearly trying to get noteriety (otherwise everyone would be doing stuff like this.)

Wait what doesn't make his legit? The fact he didn't like it? :S

[QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"][QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

[QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"]It's been estimated that 1/5 console gamers either exclusively or primarily pirates the games they playRuprechtMonkey

Uh, what?

Where are you getting this from?

That is an absurd claim.

a survey that was conducted in 2005 of console users

First of all, link? Throwing out claims is one thing, having something to back them up isn't.

Second of all, that date is conveniently before any of the current gen consoles launched.

i dont have a link its something I read years ago, google "console piracy survey" or something if you need proof

I did, and I can't find anything to indicate that 20% of console users get their games through pirating.

It is a completely made up "fact."

Still waiting on anything, anything even close, that would suggest this.

[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Again, it wasn't a review.

Espada12

Sorry his preview of the final build of the game because he is waiting on the Euro release date then.

And by the time other legit reviews come in it will be buried, again, whoever that is is clearly trying to get noteriety (otherwise everyone would be doing stuff like this.)

Wait what doesn't make his legit? The fact he didn't like it? :S

And who is "he" exactly?

[QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"]

he labeled the game a heresy, nuff said

his opinion is thus invalidated

Espada12

Hmm saying the game sucks doesn't make his opinion any less than another reviewer. But the manner he did is very out of place.

my point is that calling the game a heresy is pretty much an open admission of the fact that he is a fanboy of the first two games and came into fallout 3 wanting to hate it

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

Again, it wasn't a review.

RuprechtMonkey

I don't care what it was, the fact a video game magazine saw it fit for inclusion in their latest issue it astounding.

But again, what "magazine."

Have you ever heard of this magazine?

Worthless.

Unless it's a satirical magazine that doesn't take itself seriously, then I can understand why it would be included. Whether I've heard of it or not doesn't really matter from where I am coming from.

And who is "he" exactly?

RuprechtMonkey

Reviewer?

Well, I looked up their site.

Here is one of their main pages:

http://www.canardpc.com/rubrique-peepshow.html

Hahaha, it's like a YouTube video dump. Clearly top of the line.

Well, I looked up their site.

Here is one of their main pages:

http://www.canardpc.com/rubrique-peepshow.html

Hahaha, it's like a YouTube video dump. Clearly top of the line.

RuprechtMonkey

oh whats this, no "sorry for doubting you, master"

lol

frankly, im impressed with my ability to recall such precise facts from an article I read over 3 years ago, lol

There is nothing, nothing, there to suggest 20% of console gamers get their games 'Exclusively or primarily" through priating. If anything, that article suggests it is less than 3%.

Not only that, that article is from before any of the current generation consoles ever launched.

RuprechtMonkey

it actually says that only 3% download more than 15 games a year, says nothing about the percentage of games they pirate

so yes, i was, slightly, mistaken.

and yes, this was the last generation. Something I admitted from the start

geez

There is nothing, nothing, there to suggest 20% of console gamers get their games 'Exclusively or primarily" through priating. If anything, that article suggests it is less than 3%.

Not only that, that article is from before any of the current generation consoles ever launched. THat article was written during the days of the rampant XBox original modchips.

RuprechtMonkey

You asked him for proof of the survey.. he gave you it.

1 in 5 pirate.. end of discussion about that.

and yes, this was the last generation. Something I admitted from the startiron_zealot7531

Unless I missed it, no you didn't.

Im still buying it, if it's half as enjoyable as I found Oblivion then I will be glad I got the got the game.ONLYDOD

Post-apocalyptic Oblivion?

We'll see. I was never excited about this game since I didn't play the first 2, so even if it flops I won't really be phased.

[QUOTE="RuprechtMonkey"]

There is nothing, nothing, there to suggest 20% of console gamers get their games 'Exclusively or primarily" through priating. If anything, that article suggests it is less than 3%.

Not only that, that article is from before any of the current generation consoles ever launched. THat article was written during the days of the rampant XBox original modchips.

Espada12

You asked him for proof of the survey.. he gave you it.

1 in 5 pirate.. end of discussion about that.

LOL, for the orignal XBox maybe, and even then it wasn't 20% who got their games through piracy "Exclusively or primarily."

I even had a modded XBox.

That generation isn't anyway analogous to this when it comes to piracy on consoles.

It's an article from almost 4 years ago, haha.

Hey, don't forget to check out their site:

http://www.canardpc.com/rubrique-peepshow.html

A YouTube spam dump, just like GS!

well, it seems this thread has been effectively derailed thanks to that massive tangent

oh well, was a good discussion while it lasted

was a good discussion while it lasted

iron_zealot7531

False.

[QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"]

was a good discussion while it lasted

RuprechtMonkey

False.

you really are mr. contrarian, aren't you?

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]I don't really need someone to tell me this, its been disappointing me for a while now.iron_zealot7531

rot in hell pirate scum

I think he meant the previews :P

[QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"]

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]I don't really need someone to tell me this, its been disappointing me for a while now.Espada12

rot in hell pirate scum

I think he meant the previews :P

lol, possibly

either way

[QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"]

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]I don't really need someone to tell me this, its been disappointing me for a while now.iron_zealot7531

rot in hell pirate scum

I think he meant the previews :P

lol, possibly

either way

I don't pirate, so please don't blantly yell out that term on me, its insulting. And I am allowed an opinion on the matter, either way, I have yet to see any good come from this game as a Fallout titlte. It lacking the very core why I played the series in the begin with. I don't need to do the Elder Scroll Fiasco a second time.

[QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"]

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]I don't really need someone to tell me this, its been disappointing me for a while now.ArisShadows

rot in hell pirate scum

I think he meant the previews :P

lol, possibly

either way

I don't pirate, so please don't blantly yell out that term on me, its insulting. And I am allowed an opinion on the matter, either way, I have yet to see any good come from this game as a Fallout titlte. It lacking the very core why I played the series in the begin with. I don't need to do the Elder Scroll Fiasco a second time.

can you please explain this position to me, because I've never understood it.

I'm a huge fan of the original fallout games, and from what ive seen this seems to have most of what made the old games great(except crotch shots)

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"]

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]iron_zealot7531

I don't pirate, so please don't blantly yell out that term on me, its insulting. And I am allowed an opinion on the matter, either way, I have yet to see any good come from this game as a Fallout titlte. It lacking the very core why I played the series in the begin with. I don't need to do the Elder Scroll Fiasco a second time.

can you please explain this position to me, because I've never understood it.

I'm a huge fan of the original fallout games, and from what ive seen this seems to have most of what made the old games great(except crotch shots)

First of, the canon is all off. Either things don't make sense or are wrong. The Brotherhood of Steel is a good example. Consequences are no more, a major thing within the first two titles, its not there A good deal of the previous abilities are either gone or nothing like their former selves. IMO, its simply grabbing Oblivion, tweaking it a bit, adding some guns, putting it in post apolyctic theme, and slapping the name Fallout 3 for easy attention.

[QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"][QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"][QUOTE="Espada12"][QUOTE="iron_zealot7531"]

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]QUOTE]

ArisShadows

lol, possibly

either way

I don't pirate, so please don't blantly yell out that term on me, its insulting. And I am allowed an opinion on the matter, either way, I have yet to see any good come from this game as a Fallout titlte. It lacking the very core why I played the series in the begin with. I don't need to do the Elder Scroll Fiasco a second time.

can you please explain this position to me, because I've never understood it.

I'm a huge fan of the original fallout games, and from what ive seen this seems to have most of what made the old games great(except crotch shots)

First of, the canon is all off. Either things don't make sense or are wrong. The Brotherhood of Steel is a good example. Consequences are no more, a major thing within the first two titles, its not there A good deal of the previous abilities are either gone or nothing like their former selves. IMO, its simply grabbing Oblivion, tweaking it a bit, adding some guns, putting it in post apolyctic theme, and slapping the name Fallout 3 for easy attention.

yeah, i agree with most of what you say

but as long as they capture the fallout feel, ill consider it a victory

yeah, i agree with most of what you say

but as long as they capture the fallout feel, ill consider it a victory

iron_zealot7531

But its lacking what Fallout is, how does it have the fallout feel when the canon, elements and such don't match up with the previous entries of the game? There is most than just looking post apoc.