Final Fantasy brand greatly damaged, says Square CEO

Tetsuya Nomura and crew must be under intense scruntiny. Versus 13 NEEDS to be great. If Versus 13 flops, I think Square has a huge problem on there hands.

However, I still love Final Fantasy. Trying to finish up 12, then I'll start up 13. Hopefully I'll enjoy 13 more than most of the people here.

[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

[QUOTE="jwsoul"] Lol it really has not to be honest...... All the way to 13 are quality titles. 8,9,10,12 being incredible as many people state including Fans of the franchise and reviewers. Only thing dead here is your opinion.Chutebox

Way to take this dicussion to the childish. Actually there are many people that share his opinion.

Sigh... I see where this is going. Bye.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]

Way to take this dicussion to the childish. Actually there are many people that share his opinion.

Johnny_Rock

Sigh... I see where this is going. Bye.

OT: I wish a new FF was coming out soon...

I think they should just release the FF4 remake on PSN and the 360. i would buy the poop out of it.

Even though FF10 was a linear progression game, I still enjoyed it. But they didnt need to make another linear progression game, 1 was enough.

After 10, the series went downhill fast.

Couldn't have agreed more.

I've never been a fan of the FF franchise, but at least in the past, I recognized it as a highly respectable series that millions of fans loved, even though I never liked or played it. It was simply big and important for many gamers.

Now, though, it's just trash and SE should be looking at something else to make.

SHATT3R3D-GLASS

[QUOTE="Khoo1992"]

FF should go back to the style before FF XIII... More open gameplay

AcidSoldner

I was hoping FFXIII would build upon what XII did and have it a more open and expansive world but if you look at the credits for XIII, many of the leads were the same leads from the FFX team. So instead of pushing forward with the series like XII did, they just decided to take a couple of steps back to the extreme linearity of X.

And yet SE still thinks FFXIII-2 is a good idea, along with not pushing out FFvXIII and KH3 until god knows when.

Gxgear

Yea you know why cause FF13 sold really well and did well in the review department. This artical was about ff14. Remember just cause you think FF13 is crap doesint make it factually horrible. All you can do is just share your opinion. End of the day though I just want another FF title that isint a sequel. I always look forward to the new FF games.

I think its safe to say that at the very least Square Enix is in trouble as far as quality game development and progression goes. At least according to the guy in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r53aJR0fKU4

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]

[QUOTE="Khoo1992"]

FF should go back to the style before FF XIII... More open gameplay

hayato_

I was hoping FFXIII would build upon what XII did and have it a more open and expansive world but if you look at the credits for XIII, many of the leads were the same leads from the FFX team. So instead of pushing forward with the series like XII did, they just decided to take a couple of steps back to the extreme linearity of X.

I enjoy FF12's open world. For me I find WRPG's with a huge open world extremely boring. Oblivion bored me to tears. But there was something different with FF12. It felt more open than a normal Final Fantasy game but not as expansive as an Oblivion. For me, it was just perfect.

And I find the story to be pretty good so far. I'm about 58 hours into the game. It's not as story heavy as other FF titles, but whats there is good and thankfully seems more mature. None of the characters irk me and I enjoy the interactions between them. Hopefully the ending is satisfying, but the journey so far has been interesting for me at least.

I think its safe to say that at the very least Square Enix is in trouble as far as quality game development and progression goes. At least according to the guy in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r53aJR0fKU4

The__Havoc

I think its safe to say that at the very least Square Enix is in trouble as far as quality game development and progression goes. At least according to the guy in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r53aJR0fKU4

The__Havoc

I do agree on his point about them just re-releaseing games over and over. THey need to just keep moving forward. I feel the re-releases are for quick cash grabs and to make some fans stay quiet for a bit "Oh square sucks now and is a terrible company. I like the old games better" "Heres a re-release or remake of this game now this keep you from complaining at least for a little bit".

I think they should just release the FF4 remake on PSN and the 360. i would buy the poop out of it.

Even though FF10 was a linear progression game, I still enjoyed it. But they didnt need to make another linear progression game, 1 was enough.

After 10, the series went downhill fast.

ristactionjakso

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]

[QUOTE="Khoo1992"]

FF should go back to the style before FF XIII... More open gameplay

hayato_

I was hoping FFXIII would build upon what XII did and have it a more open and expansive world but if you look at the credits for XIII, many of the leads were the same leads from the FFX team. So instead of pushing forward with the series like XII did, they just decided to take a couple of steps back to the extreme linearity of X.

[QUOTE="The__Havoc"]

I think its safe to say that at the very least Square Enix is in trouble as far as quality game development and progression goes. At least according to the guy in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r53aJR0fKU4

finalfantasy94

I do agree on his point about them just re-releaseing games over and over. THey need to just keep moving forward. I feel the re-releases are for quick cash grabs and to make some fans stay quiet for a bit "Oh square sucks now and is a terrible company. I like the old games better" "Heres a re-release or remake of this game now this keep you from complaining at least for a little bit".

Final Fantasy XIII isn't as bad as everyone claims it is. At least not to me. Whenever you have a long running series the first iternation for a new generation of consoles is always going to have a lot of demand on it. Zelda gets the same treatment its like every Zelda is trying to live up to the impact of OOT which isn't possible regardless of quality.

I agree that XIV harmed the brand name. Not that it's on stable ground with the fans these days. Since VII's release EVERYTHING is measured against that standard (which isn't high to begin with), but people hardly look at the games' qualities now, just the hype it creates.

FFVIII (while broken) stands up well enough with VII. FFIX surpasses it on practically every level. FFX beats it in terms of combat. FFX-2 also beats VII in terms of combat. FFXII overall as well. FFXIII is still just as enjoyable if not more than VII.

But VII is the "gold" standard. A tarnished, unpolished lump of gold, perhaps.

[QUOTE="hayato_"][QUOTE="AcidSoldner"] This.

I was hoping FFXIII would build upon what XII did and have it a more open and expansive world but if you look at the credits for XIII, many of the leads were the same leads from the FFX team. So instead of pushing forward with the series like XII did, they just decided to take a couple of steps back to the extreme linearity of X.

AcidSoldner

I never said I got lost in that sense. The game just has no memarable moments and the open world made it inconsistant and incoherent. Areas are just there and events seem to happen. Not to mention its poor characters and battle system, but thats another thread. The only thing I can give it is good VA and the base story which was interesting and different from previous games in the series

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

I think they should just release the FF4 remake on PSN and the 360. i would buy the poop out of it.

Even though FF10 was a linear progression game, I still enjoyed it. But they didnt need to make another linear progression game, 1 was enough.

After 10, the series went downhill fast.

siLVURcross

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

I think they should just release the FF4 remake on PSN and the 360. i would buy the poop out of it.

Even though FF10 was a linear progression game, I still enjoyed it. But they didnt need to make another linear progression game, 1 was enough.

After 10, the series went downhill fast.

ristactionjakso

Original on SNES. Ported on PSX. Ported on GBA with enhancements. Remade for DS. Ported again for PSP, to be exact. :P

Its sad to see FFXIV doing that bad, but i'm glad that Square is doing FFXIII-2, i really liked XIII and XIII-2 seems to be improving in many areas, so i think the brand will be fine with the upcoming games (Type-0 and XIII-2) ironically, i'm not interested in Versus at all.

[QUOTE="Marka1700"]For me it died after 10.abuabed

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"] Haven't had enough FF4 remakes eh.mmmwksil

Original on SNES. Ported on PSX. Ported on GBA with enhancements. Remade for DS. Ported again for PSP, to be exact. :P

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="ristactionjakso"]the only remake was for psp.....and i dont have a psp

ristactionjakso

Original on SNES. Ported on PSX. Ported on GBA with enhancements. Remade for DS. Ported again for PSP, to be exact. :P

Well, if it were re-released on PS3 it'd be as a port of the PSX version... so no better graphics. :P I believe that's the case in Japan, and we have no reason to believe we'll get treated any better.

for me XII was a great game that didn't feel like a final fantasy, that's why I don't mind it

XIII was boring as hell and I don't even want to touch p2p MMO

all the pressure is on versus XIII to reclaim the FF name

ff12 was actually one of the more fun final fantasy games. I like being able to do side quest during the game, instead of right at the end like 10. They just need better main character design for me (vann tidus clothes). Its like they have the stupid cosplay community in mind.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="AcidSoldner"] This. I was hoping FFXIII would build upon what XII did and have it a more open and expansive world but if you look at the credits for XIII, many of the leads were the same leads from the FFX team. So instead of pushing forward with the series like XII did, they just decided to take a couple of steps back to the extreme linearity of X.AcidSoldner

There are a few posters here on SW that I can name of the top of my head that constantly complain about the linearity of today's modern games and bash XIII to hell and back yet when FF comes up, they're like "Yeah, FFX is like, the best FF ever."

I think that some people have a warped memory about certain games, depending on whether they liked them or not.

Admittedly, FF10 is more linear than previous titles in the respect that it doesn't allow you to freely travel an overworld map. But that's pretty much where the linearity begins and ends. The fact is, any and all sidequests, hidden paths, and secret areas were integrated directly into the world without forcing the players to arbitrarily wander aimlessly around a large map. There was a deep world with a lot of history to explore, and interacting with that world was fun and engaging.

In comparison, the interactivity in FF13 begins and ends with holding the left analog stick in one direction for 40 hours, occasionally broken up by extensive cutscenes and the pseudo-real-time combat system that takes away direct control of 2/3 of your party.

I'm sorry you feel cheated for not getting your world map, but this "no map = linear" garbage is seriously getting old.

[QUOTE="abuabed"][QUOTE="Marka1700"]For me it died after 10.LeonSykes10

[QUOTE="LeonSykes10"][QUOTE="abuabed"] For me too :(DarkLink77

Sakaguchi created Final Fantasy XI.

He left right after X-2 was finished...probably due to some creative differences over how X-2 should be handled.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

Eh the Final fantasy Brand has been dead since 7.

Krelian-co

hello drama queen, final fantasies were good up till 13, which wasn't as good but still decent, and wtf are u talking about, ff 8,9 and 19 very good, even 12 although not as well received

I thought XII was fairly good, so I think that was the last good FF for me. XIII is an utter disappointment especially after half a decade's wait. They must have been crazy lazy to have spent 5 years on that game.....they even reused models CONSTANTLY. I just don't understand what the Hell Sq-Enix is doing nowadays. Probably thinking of ways to quickly make cash (remakes, spin-offs) without any good investment in their primary games. Lethalhazard

The development process was horribly mis-managed for that game.

Don't blame the talent...blame the lack of proper organization.

FF14 was only bashed by PC gamers who dont even like FF

lol 4.0

FF13 damaged FF, not FF14

Final Fantasy VII - 10 million copies sold

Metacritic score - 92

Final Fantasy VIII - 8+ million copies sold

Metacritic score - 90

Final Fantasy IX - 5+ million copies sold

Metacritic score - 94

Final Fantasy X - 6+ million copies sold

Metacritic score - 92

Final Fantasy XI - Peaked at 2 million subscriptions. Not sure of actual numbers

Metacritic Score - 85

Final Fantasy XII - 5+ million copies sold

Metacritic Score - 92

Final Fantasy XIII - 6+ million copies sold

Metacritic Score - 83

Final Fantasy XIV - Less than 1 million copies sold

Metacritic Score - 42

Now someone explain to me how any of the titles besides XIV damaged the brand name?

Final Fantasy VII - 10 million copies sold

Metacritic score - 92

Final Fantasy VIII - 8+ million copies sold

Metacritic score - 90

Final Fantasy IX - 5+ million copies sold

Metacritic score - 94

Final Fantasy X - 6+ million copies sold

Metacritic score - 92

Final Fantasy XI - Peaked at 2 million subscriptions. Not sure of actual numbers

Metacritic Score - 85

Final Fantasy XII - 5+ million copies sold

Metacritic Score - 92

Final Fantasy XIII - 6+ million copies sold

Metacritic Score - 83

Final Fantasy XIV - Less than 1 million copies sold

Metacritic Score - 42

Now someone explain to me how any of the titles besides XIV damaged the brand name?

commonfate

[QUOTE="commonfate"]

Final Fantasy VII - 10 million copies sold

Metacritic score - 92

Final Fantasy VIII - 8+ million copies sold

Metacritic score - 90

Final Fantasy IX - 5+ million copies sold

Metacritic score - 94

Final Fantasy X - 6+ million copies sold

Metacritic score - 92

Final Fantasy XI - Peaked at 2 million subscriptions. Not sure of actual numbers

Metacritic Score - 85

Final Fantasy XII - 5+ million copies sold

Metacritic Score - 92

Final Fantasy XIII - 6+ million copies sold

Metacritic Score - 83

Final Fantasy XIV - Less than 1 million copies sold

Metacritic Score - 42

Now someone explain to me how any of the titles besides XIV damaged the brand name?

da_illest101

I understand that. There are going to be plenty of people who dislike each game on the list but so many people are saying XIII specifically "damaged" the brand name aside from it being a crticial and commercial success.

[QUOTE="LeonSykes10"][QUOTE="abuabed"] For me too :(DarkLink77

I had much fun with XI also (It was my first MMO expierence also so maybe that added to it). But I could never get into X, just never liked the game. I'd have to go with IX as the last great single player expierence of FF for myself.

[QUOTE="da_illest101"][QUOTE="commonfate"]

Final Fantasy VII - 10 million copies sold

Metacritic score - 92

Final Fantasy VIII - 8+ million copies sold

Metacritic score - 90

Final Fantasy IX - 5+ million copies sold

Metacritic score - 94

Final Fantasy X - 6+ million copies sold

Metacritic score - 92

Final Fantasy XI - Peaked at 2 million subscriptions. Not sure of actual numbers

Metacritic Score - 85

Final Fantasy XII - 5+ million copies sold

Metacritic Score - 92

Final Fantasy XIII - 6+ million copies sold

Metacritic Score - 83

Final Fantasy XIV - Less than 1 million copies sold

Metacritic Score - 42

Now someone explain to me how any of the titles besides XIV damaged the brand name?

commonfate

I understand that. There are going to be plenty of people who dislike each game on the list but so many people are saying XIII specifically "damaged" the brand name aside from it being a crticial and commercial success.

[QUOTE="AcidSoldner"]Seriously. It's ironic really.

There are a few posters here on SW that I can name of the top of my head that constantly complain about the linearity of today's modern games and bash XIII to hell and back yet when FF comes up, they're like "Yeah, FFX is like, the best FF ever."

Greyfeld

I think that some people have a warped memory about certain games, depending on whether they liked them or not.

Admittedly, FF10 is more linear than previous titles in the respect that it doesn't allow you to freely travel an overworld map. But that's pretty much where the linearity begins and ends. The fact is, any and all sidequests, hidden paths, and secret areas were integrated directly into the world without forcing the players to arbitrarily wander aimlessly around a large map. There was a deep world with a lot of history to explore, and interacting with that world was fun and engaging.

In comparison, the interactivity in FF13 begins and ends with holding the left analog stick in one direction for 40 hours, occasionally broken up by extensive cutscenes and the pseudo-real-time combat system that takes away direct control of 2/3 of your party.

I'm sorry you feel cheated for not getting your world map, but this "no map = linear" garbage is seriously getting old.

And it's not just the maps, mind you. The sphere grid system was also extremely linear and didn't open up until late game and even this was restrictive. FFXII's license grid system was completely open and allow players to build the characters in any fashion that they wanted in order to suit thier goals.

Giza Plains FFXII (typical area map for XII)

Thunder Plains FFX (one of the big side quest areas):

I agree that FFXIV did some damage to the series' reputation. I remember seeing some video reviews of it and thinking, "did they really release the game looking like that?" It looked so dull and had a lot of problems that would've annoyed me.

And unlike many here, I thought XII and XIII were good games, especially XII. XII is one of the best JRPGs I've played in quite a while, and I would like to see another game like it later down the road. As for XIII, the combat was pretty nice, imo, but it did lack on some post-game content and suffered from some storytelling and pacing.

I stopped caring about FF after FFX, they only now realise the series is damaged? Its been damaged for a decade! Though FFX HD and Versus 13 may bring me back, especially V13 if they can deliver on the promises.

what really damaged the brand is getting too much fanboys, they will cry at everything

what really damaged the brand is getting too much fanboys, they will cry at everything

Krelian-co

Though you can't really say the franchise lately hasn't fallen into coma either.

Why do people hate FFXIII so much? It's a good game.

Final Fantasy gets more credit than it deserves.

Really only 1, 3(6), 7 and 10 (x) are truly notable. Which is great but that still leaves 6, 8 and 9 as good and the rest being various levels of okay to bad. I know there will always be people to chime in and say "but I liked ____". But really those are the noteworthy ones. The series has been running on the fumes of those games too long and I think it's just catching up with them. The PSX and PS2 were good for them but nothing has been worth anything this cycle and it's catching up to them.

Japanese games need to modernize. If you want to make old school games then put them on phones and handhelds, make that a selling point.