For those of you that don't play PC...

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="anshul89"]30fps in a multiplayer shooter :lol: :lol:

anshul89

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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"]

why would he suddenly start playing the pc version?

Sandvichman

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="anshul89"]30fps in a multiplayer shooter :lol: :lol:

anshul89

People who think 30fps is bad are a joke. The extremely slight difference is barely noticeable, saying otherwise is just a sign of ignorance. I get you're trying to get attention by arguing with the majority and whatever, but you're just looking really silly. The difference is as subtle as the difference between 1080i and 720p resolutions, it's just silly.

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[QUOTE="anshul89"]60 fps

anshul89

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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] This is a joke, right?Khadaj32

People who think 30fps is bad are a joke. The extremely slight difference is barely noticeable, saying otherwise is just a sign of ignorance. I get you're trying to get attention by arguing with the majority and whatever, but you're just looking really silly. The difference is as subtle as the difference between 1080i and 720p resolutions, it's just silly.

[QUOTE="anshul89"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] This is a joke, right?Khadaj32

People who think 30fps is bad are a joke. The extremely slight difference is barely noticeable, saying otherwise is just a sign of ignorance. I get you're trying to get attention by arguing with the majority and whatever, but you're just looking really silly. The difference is as subtle as the difference between 1080i and 720p resolutions, it's just silly.

[QUOTE="Khadaj32"]

[QUOTE="anshul89"]Nope. People defending 30fps are a joke.

ferret-gamer

People who think 30fps is bad are a joke. The extremely slight difference is barely noticeable, saying otherwise is just a sign of ignorance. I get you're trying to get attention by arguing with the majority and whatever, but you're just looking really silly. The difference is as subtle as the difference between 1080i and 720p resolutions, it's just silly.

Barely. Yes, there's a difference, but there's no stutter or itnerface lag of any kind on 30fps. It's not like I start up my PS3 version of BFBC2 and it's like a seizure as I run down a pathway. It's a slight difference. Back when I played WoW I would get around 65fps in a normal instance or if I was out farming/leveling, but once in a Raid or a Battleground I'd go down to about 30fps, and there was no difference whatsoever, perfectly smooth and looked just as good.Maybe a slight lack of crisp to the edges, and it's hilarious that someone is actually defending crispness to the edges.

[QUOTE="Khadaj32"]

[QUOTE="anshul89"]Nope. People defending 30fps are a joke.

Sandvichman

People who think 30fps is bad are a joke. The extremely slight difference is barely noticeable, saying otherwise is just a sign of ignorance. I get you're trying to get attention by arguing with the majority and whatever, but you're just looking really silly. The difference is as subtle as the difference between 1080i and 720p resolutions, it's just silly.

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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] You're telling me, that he should start playing a different version, from scratch, rank weapons everything, with probably less of his ps3 fans, for a increased FPS, going under the assumption he has a pc that can run it at FPS, while keeping it nice and crisp, despite the fact that he has said that 60 fps does not matter him.

Sandvichman

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="Khadaj32"]

People who think 30fps is bad are a joke. The extremely slight difference is barely noticeable, saying otherwise is just a sign of ignorance. I get you're trying to get attention by arguing with the majority and whatever, but you're just looking really silly. The difference is as subtle as the difference between 1080i and 720p resolutions, it's just silly.

Khadaj32

Barely. Yes, there's a difference, but there's no stutter or itnerface lag of any kind on 30fps. It's not like I start up my PS3 version of BFBC2 and it's like a seizure as I run down a pathway. It's a slight difference. Back when I played WoW I would get around 65fps in a normal instance or if I was out farming/leveling, but once in a Raid or a Battleground I'd go down to about 30fps, and there was no difference whatsoever, perfectly smooth and looked just as good.Maybe a slight lack of crisp to the edges, and it's hilarious that someone is actually defending crispness to the edges.

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="anshul89"]Meh, he's only a level 7 and it's not like he didn't have the option for the pc version when he wanted to play the game.

anshul89

The entire lack of importance, you mean?

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="anshul89"]Meh, he's only a level 7 and it's not like he didn't have the option for the pc version when he wanted to play the game.

anshul89

[QUOTE="Khadaj32"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] its more that a slight difference, if you are playing at a solid 60fps and for some reason it goes down to 30fps, you can most defiantly tell the difference. But it is not unplayable. ferret-gamer

Barely. Yes, there's a difference, but there's no stutter or itnerface lag of any kind on 30fps. It's not like I start up my PS3 version of BFBC2 and it's like a seizure as I run down a pathway. It's a slight difference. Back when I played WoW I would get around 65fps in a normal instance or if I was out farming/leveling, but once in a Raid or a Battleground I'd go down to about 30fps, and there was no difference whatsoever, perfectly smooth and looked just as good.Maybe a slight lack of crisp to the edges, and it's hilarious that someone is actually defending crispness to the edges.

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="Khadaj32"]

People who think 30fps is bad are a joke. The extremely slight difference is barely noticeable, saying otherwise is just a sign of ignorance. I get you're trying to get attention by arguing with the majority and whatever, but you're just looking really silly. The difference is as subtle as the difference between 1080i and 720p resolutions, it's just silly.

Khadaj32

Barely. Yes, there's a difference, but there's no stutter or itnerface lag of any kind on 30fps. It's not like I start up my PS3 version of BFBC2 and it's like a seizure as I run down a pathway. It's a slight difference. Back when I played WoW I would get around 65fps in a normal instance or if I was out farming/leveling, but once in a Raid or a Battleground I'd go down to about 30fps, and there was no difference whatsoever, perfectly smooth and looked just as good.Maybe a slight lack of crisp to the edges, and it's hilarious that someone is actually defending crispness to the edges.

[QUOTE="Khadaj32"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] its more that a slight difference, if you are playing at a solid 60fps and for some reason it goes down to 30fps, you can most defiantly tell the difference. But it is not unplayable. ferret-gamer

Barely. Yes, there's a difference, but there's no stutter or itnerface lag of any kind on 30fps. It's not like I start up my PS3 version of BFBC2 and it's like a seizure as I run down a pathway. It's a slight difference. Back when I played WoW I would get around 65fps in a normal instance or if I was out farming/leveling, but once in a Raid or a Battleground I'd go down to about 30fps, and there was no difference whatsoever, perfectly smooth and looked just as good.Maybe a slight lack of crisp to the edges, and it's hilarious that someone is actually defending crispness to the edges.

Not really. It all boils down to what's happening on the screen, and there's a helluva lot more going on with spell effects and 80+ plus people running around killing eachother on the screen than there is in any FPS. Sorry, but FPS' aren't exactly resource-draining, on PC's or consoles. They're actually fairly basic in terms of what's going on on the screen, to the point that framerate doesn't even matter, except for maybe rare instances where every player on the map converge to one location and repeatedly use explosives, filling the screen with effects. But other than that? No.

I'm more worried about games where framerate actually matter. Example, I'll be playing FFXIV on my PS3 when it releases, but will my PS3 be able to handle a bunch of people together with spell effects decorating the screen while maintaining a strong connection?

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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] its more that a slight difference, if you are playing at a solid 60fps and for some reason it goes down to 30fps, you can most defiantly tell the difference. But it is not unplayable. Dynafrom

Barely. Yes, there's a difference, but there's no stutter or itnerface lag of any kind on 30fps. It's not like I start up my PS3 version of BFBC2 and it's like a seizure as I run down a pathway. It's a slight difference. Back when I played WoW I would get around 65fps in a normal instance or if I was out farming/leveling, but once in a Raid or a Battleground I'd go down to about 30fps, and there was no difference whatsoever, perfectly smooth and looked just as good.Maybe a slight lack of crisp to the edges, and it's hilarious that someone is actually defending crispness to the edges.

The thing with the 30 fps vs 60 fps on Pc Mp games can be the difference in being good or bad in some games. Think of fps as response time for a TV or monitor. Has anyone tried playing say guitar hero on one tv and and when go to someones else tv the timing is off , and you cant hit the notes? Thats the same feeling you can get on pc games running at 30 fps vsgames running at 60. Also with console games alot of the games now are dipping below 30 fps and you can really see it. games like GTA 4, MW2, and even BF BC 2 . Also 60 fps has a smoother feel to it, while a steady 30 fps is ok, but when it dips below 30 you can tell.

may I ask, what is it that keeps you from playing PC exactly?

AdmiralRJW

I have only played Whispered World on PC, in years now

Simply put, i prefer getting everything PC hasfor xbox 360 and exclusives from both PS3, Wii and 360, than spend a penny for PC hardware that will be obsolete the day i buy it (unless it is the most expensive thing around)

If i ever feel the urge to play a exclusive great PC game, i will just upgrade my video card, but has not happened in 10 years now, PC has no exlcusives i care for at all, Whispered World plays fine on my current PC, so no problem there

Alan Wake is the game i cant wait for, and that is 360 exclusive

[QUOTE="AdmiralRJW"]

may I ask, what is it that keeps you from playing PC exactly?

theseekar

I have only played Whispered World on PC, in years now

Simply put, i prefer getting everything PC hasfor xbox 360 and exclusives from both PS3, Wii and 360, than spend a penny for PC hardware that will be obsolete the day i buy it (unless it is the most expensive thing around)

If i ever feel the urge to play a exclusive great PC game, i will just upgrade my video card, but has not happened in 10 years now, PC has no exlcusives i care for at all, Whispered World plays fine on my current PC, so no problem there

Alan Wake is the game i cant wait for, and that is 360 exclusive

Your post is full of ignorance.....

Idk, I don't play videogames and rely on just virtual friends.

I was the only one who even PC gamed back whenever. Friends played Battlefront 2 on PS2, I played it on PC. Now everyone has an Xbox and I finally caved and got off the MMORPG wagon and bought myself one.

anyhow, I'm probably not the person you wanted info from, being I was at least PC gaming at one point.

HavocV3

Simply put, i prefer getting everything PC hasfor xbox 360 and exclusives from both PS3, Wii and 360, than spend a penny for PC hardware that will be obsolete the day i buy it (unless it is the most expensive thing around)

theseekar

No more obsolete than your console. Consoles just have the "advantage" that they can't be upgraded and are effectively stuck in a timewarp. Over the lifespan of a console, you're probably paying just as much for your console stuff as you are for my PC stuff - Yours is a cheaper system, but not cheap - your games are almost universally more expensive; mine is expensive system with cheaper games. I suspect the consoles are not as economical as some might believe.

If i ever feel the urge to play a exclusive great PC game, i will just upgrade my video card, but has not happened in 10 years now, PC has no exlcusives i care for at all, Whispered World plays fine on my current PC, so no problem there

theseekar

I can understand personal preference for a system based on games - I look at what's on offer from 360 and PS3 and see very little I want, and even less that I'd actually miss.

[QUOTE="AdmiralRJW"]

may I ask, what is it that keeps you from playing PC exactly?

The more important question is, why do you even care why other people do or don't play on PC?

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[QUOTE="natenation87"]

There may be a huge difference, to me it only looks slight.

natenation87

Going by screenshots and gameplay vids. PCs aren't cheap and I'm not going to buy one just to see the difference when I'm happy with what I've got. You love PC gaming I love console gaming. That's not going to change.

360 = Radeon HD 2000 (soon to be 6-year-old PC parts)

PS3 = GeForce 7800 GTX (soon to be 6-year-old PC parts)

I've run three graphics cards: 7800 GTX, 9500 GS, and GT 230. I could see the difference between them all (especially since the first one is only DX 9).

Read the review for Dragon Age: Origins on the PC to see the difference in graphics between the three platforms.:)

[QUOTE="natenation87"]

[QUOTE="anshul89"]But you can't even afford a decent PC -_-

How can you see the difference if you haven't even experienced it.

topsemag55

Going by screenshots and gameplay vids. PCs aren't cheap and I'm not going to buy one just to see the difference when I'm happy with what I've got. You love PC gaming I love console gaming. That's not going to change.

360 = Radeon HD 2000 (soon to be 6-year-old PC parts)

PS3 = GeForce 7800 GTX (soon to be 6-year-old PC parts)

I've run three graphics cards: 7800 GTX, 9500 GS, and GT 230. I could see the difference between them all (especially since the first one is only DX 9).

Read the review for Dragon Age: Origins on the PC to see the difference in graphics between the three platforms.:)

You need better friends then ! /sarcasm

anshul89

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[QUOTE="lowe0"] Yeah. I'm perfectly happy playing BC2 @ 30fps. MW2 runs @ 60fps and it's not automatically more fun.lowe0

pc version of BF2 is much better than the ps3/360 version. FACT

32 players vs 24 players
60fps vs 30fps
much bigger field of view
faster loading times
better community
Keyboard and mouse(better gameplay)
dedicated servers
superior graphics(If you set the pc version at "1280x720@30fps, medium settings, HAOB off" then the pc version will still look better than the console version. Now imagine the difference between pc version "1920x1200@60fps, MAX settings" and console version...)

Wow. Some of these responses in this thread -- even from high level members -- are downright shocking to me. Have to upgrade yearly? Really? What the HELL would make you believe that? :?

[QUOTE="natenation87"]

[QUOTE="anshul89"]But you can't even afford a decent PC -_-

How can you see the difference if you haven't even experienced it.

topsemag55

Going by screenshots and gameplay vids. PCs aren't cheap and I'm not going to buy one just to see the difference when I'm happy with what I've got. You love PC gaming I love console gaming. That's not going to change.

360 = Radeon HD 2000 (soon to be 6-year-old PC parts)

PS3 = GeForce 7800 GTX (soon to be 6-year-old PC parts)

I've run three graphics cards: 7800 GTX, 9500 GS, and GT 230. I could see the difference between them all (especially since the first one is only DX 9).

Read the review for Dragon Age: Origins on the PC to see the difference in graphics between the three platforms.:)

Xbox 360's ATI Xenos is not quite Radeon HD 2x00(R6x0) for example

1. Xenos doesn't have ATI's Ultra-thread.

2. Xenos's instruction issue format is 1 scalar instruction, 1 SIMD with 4 data while R6x0's instruction format is 5 instruction and 5 data i.e. an extreme VLIW design.

3. Xenos's hardware HDR is FP10 per component while R6x0's hardware HDR is FP32 per component.

Geforce 9500 GS is just a rename Geforce 8600 GT.

Having to pay $200 every six months to upgrade my PC.

Too many RTS

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="anshul89"]30 fps makes BC2 unplayable online, so yes, it's automatically more fun.

MK-Professor

pc version of BF2 is much better than the ps3/360 version. FACT

32 players vs 24 players
60fps vs 30fps
much bigger field of view
faster loading times
better community
Keyboard and mouse(better gameplay)
dedicated servers
superior graphics(If you set the pc version at "1280x720@30fps, medium settings, HAOB off" then the pc version will still look better than the console version. Now imagine the difference between pc version "1920x1200@60fps, MAX settings" and console version...)

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Really? If it's unplayable, then how the hell am I playing it?lowe0

pc version of BF2 is much better than the ps3/360 version. FACT

32 players vs 24 players
60fps vs 30fps
much bigger field of view
faster loading times
better community
Keyboard and mouse(better gameplay)
dedicated servers
superior graphics(If you set the pc version at "1280x720@30fps, medium settings, HAOB off" then the pc version will still look better than the console version. Now imagine the difference between pc version "1920x1200@60fps, MAX settings" and console version...)

I just don't think that they're all that significant.

lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"]

I just don't think that they're all that significant.

anshul89

Those are not such insignificant advantages. A bigger resolution is insignificant. Those are not.

GeneralShowzer

As I said... you're making a pretty weak claim based on a whole 49 minutes of play time. Do you have any actual proof that I gave up?

lowe0

[QUOTE="lowe0"] As I said... you're making a pretty weak claim based on a whole 49 minutes of play time. Do you have any actual proof that I gave up?

anshul89

PC is not meant to be for gaming, it's an addition. Sure, it shines in the realm of competetive play because of the precise controls needed. WoW for example is just a glorified chatbox :P

I dislike multimedia. I don't want my Wii to play DVDs nor do I want my PS3 to play bluray discs.

PC is not meant to be for gaming, it's an addition. Sure, it shines in the realm of competetive play because of the precise controls needed. WoW for example is just a glorified chatbox :P

I dislike multimedia. I don't want my Wii to play DVDs nor do I want my PS3 to play bluray discs.

kontejner44

But without the computer there would be no games on your consoles which are developed by using the tools on a computer...

And yes a computer can be meant for gaming if you buying the right parts.

Why else would they sell high end video cards?

Heck consoles are based on some of the same hardware from a computer just a more gimped version.

Without progress in gaming computer hardware there would be no progress in consoles either.

[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

PC is not meant to be for gaming, it's an addition. Sure, it shines in the realm of competetive play because of the precise controls needed. WoW for example is just a glorified chatbox :P

I dislike multimedia. I don't want my Wii to play DVDs nor do I want my PS3 to play bluray discs.

Hakkai007

But without the computer there would be no games on your consoles which are developed by using the tools on a computer...

And yes a computer can be meant for gaming if you buying the right parts.

Why else would they sell high end video cards?

Heck consoles are based on some of the same hardware from a computer just a more gimped version.

Without progress in gaming computer hardware there would be no progress in consoles either.

PC is perfect for games. It's just that when created, they didn't have games in mind. Wii can ONLY play video games and was created by the idea in mind. It's just a matter of principle for me. PC will never become a mainstreamed gaming device in my eyes, it's sort of like apples game apps.

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[QUOTE="kontejner44"]

PC is not meant to be for gaming, it's an addition. Sure, it shines in the realm of competetive play because of the precise controls needed. WoW for example is just a glorified chatbox :P

I dislike multimedia. I don't want my Wii to play DVDs nor do I want my PS3 to play bluray discs.

kontejner44

But without the computer there would be no games on your consoles which are developed by using the tools on a computer...

And yes a computer can be meant for gaming if you buying the right parts.

Why else would they sell high end video cards?

Heck consoles are based on some of the same hardware from a computer just a more gimped version.

Without progress in gaming computer hardware there would be no progress in consoles either.

PC is perfect for games. It's just that when created, they didn't have games in mind. Wii can ONLY play video games and was created by the idea in mind. It's just a matter of principle for me. PC will never become a mainstreamed gaming device in my eyes, it's sort of like apples game apps.

And yet PC game sales are more than any one console. More than all consoles combined if you add casual games too.

I think PC gaming is mainstream, heck they hold huge contests and conventions for them.

Um I guess i couldnt really be bothered. Theres only 2 games I really want for the PC which are Diablo 3 and Company of Heros, and when Diablo 3 comes out ill probably buy one (gaming PC). I just hate the fact that if you really want to keep up with PC gaming it seems like you have to constantly upgrade your hardware and stuff you know. New video cards and processers seem to come out every month.

I just hate the fact that if you really want to keep up with PC gaming it seems like you have to constantly upgrade your hardware and stuff you know. New video cards and processers seem to come out every month.

destro123

While the pace of release is quite impressive at times, a machine built for gaming should easily last two years playing at max settings, probably longer depending on whether you do any overclocking.

I recently did a thorough overhaul of my PC. The quality of my old system was fine - I could play ME2 and DA:O on high graphics settings. However, loading times were getting longer and longer. For the patient people out there (i.e. not me) that AMD 6000+, 4GB with an 8800GTX in control could have easily lasted 2 years more, assuming they tweaked the quality down a bit in the game settings.

The perception of PC gaming is quite often wrong - from the console side of the fence where everything is a fixed point for the best part of a decade, then yes, the blizzard of PC hardware announcements is quite impressive/scary. But for an individual PC user most of them are irrelevant - they might overhaul a system every 4 years, or maybe upgrade the odd component once in a while (which isn't entirely different to getting additional controllers or add-ons like Natal or WiiMotion Plus).

I think that there has to be an understanding that there are many variables in PC gaming - it is all about evolution while consoles opt for revolution (Xbox to Xbox 360, for example).

I think that there has to be an understanding that there are many variables in PC gaming - it is all about evolution while consoles opt for revolution (Xbox to Xbox 360, for example).

LordRork

You mean GC to Wii right? How is 360 a revolution? lol

[QUOTE="LordRork"]

I think that there has to be an understanding that there are many variables in PC gaming - it is all about evolution while consoles opt for revolution (Xbox to Xbox 360, for example).

kontejner44

You mean GC to Wii right? How is 360 a revolution? lol

You are only looking at the outside features.

The guts of the system has had quite a few advancements made compared to the Xbox.

I used to play PC games. Moved onto Consoles for the convenience I guess. But I think a big reason as to why I'm not going back to PC gaming is because I wouldn't like to be seen to be associating with the some of the contributors in this thread. Honestly, some of the sheer arrogance on display here from some members is truly astounding. yellerbelly