Forza Motorsport 3 will ship with two discs

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="waynehead895"] Same. And the opposite is true. It's not needed. It's just a convenience. I don't understand how people can say Blu-Ray is needed about a game that is most likely not going to be released on Blu-Ray format.micky4889

I think the fact that a racing game is coming on 2 discs if proof that it is needed for some games, you can keep trying to downplay it by saying you can just install but face it the arcade owners are screwed.

According to this interview the cars and tracks are going to be split between disc 1 and disc 2 this means arcade owner that want to use a car from disc 2 he/she has to swap disc then he/she wants to use a track/car from disc 1, swap again, after that race is over they want a track from disc 2, swap again.

It's going to be a serious swap fest for the poor arcade owners.

Too bad for them then. Especially if they didn't take advantage of MS's $20 20GB HDD deal or don't head to Ebay and grab one for around the same price.

The fact that I can install the game on my 360's HDD is proof that Blu-Ray is not needed. The Arcade owners are screwed but those of us with hard drives will be just fine when Forza 3 comes out. Besides, like I said before, Arcade owners can get a hard drive for around 20 bucks on Ebay. Frankly, if you can't afford to spend $20 to upgrade your system (which will add extra functionality outside of Forza 3 as well) then you really don't need to be gaming. Gaming is an expensive hobby.

If Arcade owners had no other options or if those of us with hard drives had to constantly switch discs then maybe the case for Blu-Ray being needed could be made but since that is not the case, my point still stands. Blu-Ray is a convenience, not a necessity.

[QUOTE="micky4889"]I think the fact that a racing game is coming on 2 discs if proof that it is needed for some games, you can keep trying to downplay it by saying you can just install but face it the arcade owners are screwed.

According to this interview the cars and tracks are going to be split between disc 1 and disc 2 this means arcade owner that want to use a car from disc 2 he/she has to swap disc then he/she wants to use a track/car from disc 1, swap again, after that race is over they want a track from disc 2, swap again.

It's going to be a serious swap fest for the poor arcade owners.

foxhound_fox

So it's their fault for buying an arcade? Because that's total BS

The majority of people who buy the arcade are not the type of people who are well up with their gaming news, in fact i'm willing to bet that the majority of them were oblivious to this deal even happening and it's also a deal which isn't taking place any more.

So it's their fault for buying an arcade? Because that's total BS

The majority of people who buy the arcade are not the type of people who are well up with their gaming news, in fact i'm willing to bet that the majority of them were oblivious to this deal even happening and it's also a deal which isn't taking place any more.

micky4889

[QUOTE="micky4889"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"] Yeah, I feel the same way. The fact that Forza 3 hasn't been canceled because the 360 doesn't have a Blu-Ray drive is proof enough that Blu-Ray is not needed.

The_Game21x

I think the fact that a racing game is coming on 2 discs if proof that it is needed for some games, you can keep trying to downplay it by saying you can just install but face it the arcade owners are screwed.

According to this interview the cars and tracks are going to be split between disc 1 and disc 2 this means arcade owner that want to use a car from disc 2 he/she has to swap disc then he/she wants to use a track/car from disc 1, swap again, after that race is over they want a track from disc 2, swap again.

It's going to be a serious swap fest for the poor arcade owners.

Too bad for them then. Especially if they didn't take advantage of MS's $20 20GB HDD deal or don't head to Ebay and grab one for around the same price.

The fact that I can install the game on my 360's HDD is proof that Blu-Ray is not needed. The Arcade owners are screwed but those of us with hard drives will be just fine when Forza 3 comes out. Besides, like I said before, Arcade owners can get a hard drive for around 20 bucks on Ebay. Frankly, if you can't afford to spend $20 to upgrade your system (which will add extra functionality outside of Forza 3 as well) then you really don't need to be gaming. Gaming is an expensive hobby.

If Arcade owners had no other options or if those of us with hard drives had to constantly switch discs then maybe the case for Blu-Ray being needed could be made but since that is not the case, my point still stands. Blu-Ray is a convenience, not a necessity.

I still think the fact that some people are going to have to shell out money for a HDD along with the game is proof in itself that blu ray is somewhat needed this gen, it's not a necessity, sure but then again when it comes to a storage medium, what is a necessity?

Could Forza 3 be done on x amount of CD's ? sure does that mean DVD's a necessity ?

[QUOTE="micky4889"]So it's their fault for buying an arcade? Because that's total BS

The majority of people who buy the arcade are not the type of people who are well up with their gaming news, in fact i'm willing to bet that the majority of them were oblivious to this deal even happening and it's also a deal which isn't taking place any more.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="micky4889"]

I think the fact that a racing game is coming on 2 discs if proof that it is needed for some games, you can keep trying to downplay it by saying you can just install but face it the arcade owners are screwed.

According to this interview the cars and tracks are going to be split between disc 1 and disc 2 this means arcade owner that want to use a car from disc 2 he/she has to swap disc then he/she wants to use a track/car from disc 1, swap again, after that race is over they want a track from disc 2, swap again.

It's going to be a serious swap fest for the poor arcade owners.

micky4889

Too bad for them then. Especially if they didn't take advantage of MS's $20 20GB HDD deal or don't head to Ebay and grab one for around the same price.

The fact that I can install the game on my 360's HDD is proof that Blu-Ray is not needed. The Arcade owners are screwed but those of us with hard drives will be just fine when Forza 3 comes out. Besides, like I said before, Arcade owners can get a hard drive for around 20 bucks on Ebay. Frankly, if you can't afford to spend $20 to upgrade your system (which will add extra functionality outside of Forza 3 as well) then you really don't need to be gaming. Gaming is an expensive hobby.

If Arcade owners had no other options or if those of us with hard drives had to constantly switch discs then maybe the case for Blu-Ray being needed could be made but since that is not the case, my point still stands. Blu-Ray is a convenience, not a necessity.

I still think the fact that some people are going to have to shell out money for a HDD along with the game is proof in itself that blu ray is somewhat needed this gen, it's not anecessity, sure but then again when it comes to a storage medium, what is anecessity?

Could Forza 3 be done on x amount of CD's ? sure does that mena DVD's anecessity ?

If it's not a necessity, then it can't also be "somewhat needed". It's either a necessity or it isn't, there's no gray area here.

If you want to put it like that, no, DVD is not a necessity. As far as whether or not Forza 3 can be done on X amount of CDs, I don't know. I am not a member of the development team. The fact of the matter here is, DVD is the current standard storage medium for game development. When the average game begins to exceed the boundaries of a dual layer DVD or simply cannot be done on DVD due to storage limitations, then I will say Blu-Ray is needed but I don't see that happening for a number of years as DVD is still quite a viable format.

I'd say blu ray, or some form of disc above dvd is needed next gen, its needs this gen....Nintendo won't need it though

[QUOTE="micky4889"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Too bad for them then. Especially if they didn't take advantage of MS's $20 20GB HDD deal or don't head to Ebay and grab one for around the same price.

The fact that I can install the game on my 360's HDD is proof that Blu-Ray is not needed. The Arcade owners are screwed but those of us with hard drives will be just fine when Forza 3 comes out. Besides, like I said before, Arcade owners can get a hard drive for around 20 bucks on Ebay. Frankly, if you can't afford to spend $20 to upgrade your system (which will add extra functionality outside of Forza 3 as well) then you really don't need to be gaming. Gaming is an expensive hobby.

If Arcade owners had no other options or if those of us with hard drives had to constantly switch discs then maybe the case for Blu-Ray being needed could be made but since that is not the case, my point still stands. Blu-Ray is a convenience, not a necessity.

The_Game21x

I still think the fact that some people are going to have to shell out money for a HDD along with the game is proof in itself that blu ray is somewhat needed this gen, it's not anecessity, sure but then again when it comes to a storage medium, what is anecessity?

Could Forza 3 be done on x amount of CD's ? sure does that mena DVD's anecessity ?

If it's not a necessity, then it can't also be "somewhat needed". It's either a necessity or it isn't, there's no gray area here.

If you want to put it like that, no, DVD is not a necessity. As far as whether or not Forza 3 can be done on X amount of CDs, I don't know. I am not a member of the development team. The fact of the matter here is, DVD is the current standard storage medium for game development. When the average game begins to exceed the boundaries of a dual layer DVD or simply cannot be done on DVD due to storage limitations, then I will say Blu-Ray is needed but I don't see that happening for a number of years as DVD is still quite a viable format.

I can see where you're coming from, i guess "needed" is just an opinion.

My opinion on the matter would be if games are starting to max it out now what's it going to be like in a year or 2 down the line? What's it going to be like when Forza 4 come's out?

I guess for me DVD became obsolete the day Lost Odyssey came out on 4 discs.

You on the other hand seem to see DVD as a viable format up to the point were it become's impractical to use anymore, which is fine.

It seems there is an equal amount of argument's for both sides which means that this is going to go nowhere.

I guess Blu ray can be both needed and not needed at the same time.

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

What will lems say when the next xbox has blueray?

savetehhaloz

No blu ray was developed by the BDA which Sony is a part of, just like the DVD consortiumdevelopedthe DVD which Sony is also part of and Microsoft uses. Make sense now?

*Finishing Lap 2*..."Insert Disc 2 for Lap 3" :lol:

What are you kidding me ? casuals love these types of games, theres no way in hell any of the GT game's would have sold as much if they didn't.

micky4889

[QUOTE="micky4889"]What are you kidding me ? casuals love these types of games, theres no way in hell any of the GT game's would have sold as much if they didn't.

foxhound_fox

I havent found any of your arguments one sided

[QUOTE="micky4889"]What are you kidding me ? casuals love these types of games, theres no way in hell any of the GT game's would have sold as much if they didn't.

foxhound_fox

Let me guess, you think Forza is more hardcore because of damage, am i right ? Please don't think like that because it's laughable, both games are essentially the same.

GT became so popular because it was realistic hence their slogan "The real driving simulator". Forza is striving for the same goal, so how can one be more casual or more hardcore than the other? Face it Microsoft wants Forza to be their GT.

Sounds like my 120GB HDD is about to become more useful 8)-DrRobotnik-

Let me guess, you think Forza is more hardcore because of damage, am i right ? Please don't think like that because it's laughable, both games are essentially the same.

GT became so popular because it was realistic hence their slogan "The real driving simulator". Forza is striving for the same goal, so how can one be more casual or more hardcore than the other? Face it Microsoft wants Forza to be their GT.

micky4889

*Finishing Lap 2*..."Insert Disc 2 for Lap 3" :lol:

jakehouston88

[QUOTE="micky4889"]Let me guess, you think Forza is more hardcore because of damage, am i right ? Please don't think like that because it's laughable, both games are essentially the same.

GT became so popular because it was realistic hence their slogan "The real driving simulator". Forza is striving for the same goal, so how can one be more casual or more hardcore than the other? Face it Microsoft wants Forza to be their GT.

foxhound_fox

There has been no true GT game this gen so your argument is invailid until GT5 comes out and includes none of the above but that's for a different thread. My point was that casuals like racing sims then you brought up Forza being too hardcore or something along those lines which i pretty much showed was BS.

Besides do you really think "Damage... permanent consequences... no bumper car racing... massive real-time racing telemetry... hugely detailed car customization and tweaking." would have been possible on the PS2 ?

Now i'm no developer but even i know there was no way in hell the PS2 could have pulled that off, it was pretty much maxed running GT4 as it was.

*Finishing Lap 2*..."Insert Disc 2 for Lap 3" :lol:

jakehouston88

*Finishing Lap 2*..."Insert Disc 2 for Lap 3" :lol:

jakehouston88

it helps to also read the first post and not just the thread title.

[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

*Finishing Lap 2*..."Insert Disc 2 for Lap 3" :lol:

CaseyWegner

it helps to also read the first post and not just the thread title.

There has been no true GT game this gen so your argument is invailid until GT5 comes out and includes none of the above but that's for a different thread. My point was that casuals like racing sims then you brought up Forza being too hardcore or something along those lines which i pretty much showed was BS.

Besides do you really think "Damage... permanent consequences... no bumper car racing... massive real-time racing telemetry... hugely detailed car customization and tweaking." would have been possible on the PS2 ?

Now i'm no developer but even i know there was no way in hell the PS2 could have pulled that off, it was pretty much maxed running GT4 as it was.

micky4889

[QUOTE="micky4889"]There has been no true GT game this gen so your argument is invailid until GT5 comes out and includes none of the above but that's for a different thread. My point was that casuals like racing sims then you brought up Forza being too hardcore or something along those lines which i pretty much showed was BS.

Besides do you really think "Damage... permanent consequences... no bumper car racing... massive real-time racing telemetry... hugely detailed car customization and tweaking." would have been possible on the PS2 ?

Now i'm no developer but even i know there was no way in hell the PS2 could have pulled that off, it was pretty much maxed running GT4 as it was.

foxhound_fox

Maybe because its called GT5:Prologue,Prologue by definition meaning anintroduction so in other words GT5P was just a taste of whats to come and in no way a finished product, also where does it say a demo has to be free? Or that its not allowed to be sold at retail or reviewed? A demo is just a demonstration, as of a product or service.

"How did you show it was BS? I'd like to know."

Maybe because GT1,2,3 and so on were some of the most realistic racing Sims of their time that could be found on consoles, that's why they became popular and that's why they sold so much.

Now according to you Forza wont sell like GT because its too realistic which is totally contradicting as to what made GT such a success in the first place.

As for GT4 having no damage maybe it's because the game would have taken a massive hit graphically just to implement it and if it was implemented it would have been in no way accurate.

But you want them to throw it in there just for the sake of having it? What sort of racing fan are you? I'd take no damage over random damage any day.

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sorry for all the edits, for some reason my words keep running into each other.

Maybe because its called GT5:Prologue,Prologue by definition meaning anintroduction so in other words GT5P was just a taste of whats to come and in no way a finishedproduct,also where does it say a demo has to be free? Or that its not allowed to be sold at retail orreviewed? A demo is just ademonstration, as of a product or service.

"How did you show it was BS? I'd like to know."

Maybe because GT1,2,3 and so on were some of the most realistic racing Sims of their time that could be foundon consoles, that's why they became popular and that's why they sold so much.

Now according to you Forza wont sell like GT because its too realistic which is totalycontradicting as to what made GT such a success in the first place.

As for GT4 having no damage maybe it's because the game would have taken a massive hitgraphicallyjust to implement it and if it wasimplemented it would have been in no way accurate.

But you want them to throw it in there just for the sake of having it? What sort of racing fan are you? I'd take no damage over random damage any day.micky4889

[QUOTE="micky4889"]Maybe because its called GT5:Prologue,Prologue by definition meaning anintroduction so in other words GT5P was just a taste of whats to come and in no way a finishedproduct,also where does it say a demo has to be free? Or that its not allowed to be sold at retail orreviewed? A demo is just ademonstration, as of a product or service.

"How did you show it was BS? I'd like to know."

Maybe because GT1,2,3 and so on were some of the most realistic racing Sims of their time that could be foundon consoles, that's why they became popular and that's why they sold so much.

Now according to you Forza wont sell like GT because its too realistic which is totalycontradicting as to what made GT such a success in the first place.

As for GT4 having no damage maybe it's because the game would have taken a massive hitgraphicallyjust to implement it and if it wasimplemented it would have been in no way accurate.

But you want them to throw it in there just for the sake of having it? What sort of racing fan are you? I'd take no damage over random damage any day.foxhound_fox

Now your comparing a PS2 game to a 360 game*sigh* lol

Seriously dude wait till GT5 comes out before to try to compare them, your also forgetting that Forza 1 and 2 were on muchsuperiorsystems than what GT4 had to run on, i think things are going to be much more interesting this time around with the PS3 and 360 being pretty much equal.

oh really , the wii has one of the funnest racers on any of the 3 its called mariokart but that dont stop there ever play toca 3 , , or 2 their better then forza or gt ,, apex another one, and test drive unlimited, sigh, , , , ,

who cares about damage modling any way you still cant top nascar in that dept . ,

pieces fly off the cars,, forza they just dent , ,

toca peices fly off the cars again why are we comparing ps2 to a 360 lol it couldnt even keep up with gamecube for crying out loud

and ps3 well thats one glitchy console, especally in r6 vegas and saints row 2 , it lags ,

Changing the disc in the middle of the track FTL... ;)

Epak_

oh really , the wii has one of the funnest racers on any of the 3 its called mariokart but that dont stop there ever play toca 3 , , or 2 their better then forza or gt ,, apex another one, and test drive unlimited, sigh, , , , ,

who cares about damage modling any way you still cant top nascar in that dept . ,

pieces fly off the cars,, forza they just dent , ,

toca peices fly off the cars again why are we comparing ps2 to a 360 lol it couldnt even keep up with gamecube for crying out loud

and ps3 well thats one glitchy console, especally in r6 vegas and saints row 2 , it lags ,

mariokart64fan

So i am playing some Lost Odyssey atm and yeah I got to say I agree with a lot of people here its really really inconvenient to swap out disks every 8-10 hours sometimes I am like DAMMIT!!! NOT AGAIN I JUST DID THIS 10 HOURS AGO!!! ERGHHH!!!U SUCK MICROSOFT AND YOUR HORRIBLE MACHINE!!WHY ARENT U COOL LIKE SONY AND MAKE ME PAY UP TO $200 MORE FOR BLU-RAY/HD-DVD WHAT THE HELL!!! I HATE THE MONEY I SAVED GETTING A 360 I REALLY JUST WANT TO NOT CHANGE DISKS DAMMIT!!!

oh wait no i dint do that because if i did complaining about something as small as this thatI must be stupid