Gametrailers Editor-in-Chief sets his priorities straight...

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]"Wah stop picking on him guys"

Y'know the good thing about opinions is that people can debate, refute them ;).

Shinobishyguy

And that's exactly what's going on here. People's reactions to his opinion is totally rashional! Refuting and debating? Please. It's past that.

It doesn't matter, though. People are going to whine and moan, and not accept, his opinion no matter what.

Hm, I don't see how that applies to anyone in here, at all.sammyjenkis898

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

And that's exactly what's going on here. People's reactions to his opinion is totally rashional! Refuting and debating? Please. It's past that.

It doesn't matter, though. People are going to whine and moan, and not accept, his opinion no matter what.

sammyjenkis898

Oh wait no, you were in the "it's gonna suck because TP sucked" camp

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]I don't need my games to take a cinematic approach, sorry. Production values are nice but Gameplay>>>>Giancar

Yes because I'm sure you were just bursting with enthusiasm during all of the demos and interviews right?

Oh wait no, you were in the "it's gonna suck because TP sucked" camp

Shinobishyguy

Yeah, the lack of rational responses still apply. I've said it numerous times: I read the Joystiq review and thought it was a well written review. IGN's review was just laughably bad.

I'll try to put it as clear as possible to you: I. Am. Getting. The. Game.

What's that? Trying to change the subject? Yeah, I didn't like Twilight Princess. Neither did thousands of other people. I absolutely love Wind Waker. Your point?

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

And that's exactly what's going on here. People's reactions to his opinion is totally rashional! Refuting and debating? Please. It's past that.

It doesn't matter, though. People are going to whine and moan, and not accept, his opinion no matter what.

sammyjenkis898

Batman Arkam city proves you can have equally amazing presentation and gameplay.

Reviews say SS will have both as well.

So you are pre-emptively trying to discredit GT before they drop an unfavourable Zelda review?

shane has always been kindof an **** he once complained that the title "new vegas" was missleading and was REALLY angry that fallout new vegas didnt take place entirely in new vegas.

the guy is a kinda rediculous and sometimes needs to learn to stfu.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Yes because I'm sure you were just bursting with enthusiasm during all of the demos and interviews right?

Oh wait no, you were in the "it's gonna suck because TP sucked" camp

sammyjenkis898

Yeah, the lack of rational responses still apply. I've said it numerous times: I read the Joystiq review and thought it was a well written review. IGN's review was just laughably bad.

I'll try to put it as clear as possible to you: I. Am. Getting. The. Game.

What's that? Trying to change the subject? Yeah, I didn't like Twilight Princess. Neither did thousands of other people. I absolutely love Wind Waker. Your point?

Not agree at all with him, but he is entitle to his opinion.

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Yes because I'm sure you were just bursting with enthusiasm during all of the demos and interviews right?

Oh wait no, you were in the "it's gonna suck because TP sucked" camp

locopatho

Yeah, the lack of rational responses still apply. I've said it numerous times: I read the Joystiq review and thought it was a well written review. IGN's review was just laughably bad.

I'll try to put it as clear as possible to you: I. Am. Getting. The. Game.

What's that? Trying to change the subject? Yeah, I didn't like Twilight Princess. Neither did thousands of other people. I absolutely love Wind Waker. Your point?

Seriously there's a line between genuine criticism and fanboy ranting

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

Yeah, the lack of rational responses still apply. I've said it numerous times: I read the Joystiq review and thought it was a well written review. IGN's review was just laughably bad.

I'll try to put it as clear as possible to you: I. Am. Getting. The. Game.

What's that? Trying to change the subject? Yeah, I didn't like Twilight Princess. Neither did thousands of other people. I absolutely love Wind Waker. Your point?

Shinobishyguy

Seriously there's a line between genuine criticism and fanboy ranting

:lol: the first AC was so bad.

Seriously there's a line between genuine criticism and fanboy ranting

Shinobishyguy

A lot of which is certainly on display now.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Seriously there's a line between genuine criticism and fanboy ranting

sammyjenkis898

A lot of which is certainly on display now.

[QUOTE="Austindro"]lol people are mad bc he has his own opinion???foxhound_fox

You can't make argument for the sky being green...

The guy made valid points, he did not say everyone should feel the way he should. People's reaction to his personal opinion is hilarious.

Which is why people shouldn't give two **** about reviews. Why people do care is beyond me.

[QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Seriously there's a line between genuine criticism and fanboy ranting

SF_KiLLaMaN

A lot of which is certainly on display now.

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

Yeah, the lack of rational responses still apply. I've said it numerous times: I read the Joystiq review and thought it was a well written review. IGN's review was just laughably bad.

I'll try to put it as clear as possible to you: I. Am. Getting. The. Game.

What's that? Trying to change the subject? Yeah, I didn't like Twilight Princess. Neither did thousands of other people. I absolutely love Wind Waker. Your point?

Shinobishyguy

Seriously there's a line between genuine criticism and fanboy ranting

Zelda can have both. Hopefully it does next gen. hensothor

It can...but it really doesn't need it, Zelda is about puzzles, a fairy tail, an adventure, is not about focus on cinematics, nor celebrity Voice Actors or 1000 NPCs, you play Zelda to have a Zelda experience which it is unique, you want a complex RPG, go for Skyrim, you want an onrails game, go for Uncharted, you want Zelda, go for Zelda, just because some people don't like it, doesn't mean everyone don't like it.

So you are pre-emptively trying to discredit GT before they drop an unfavourable Zelda review?

GD1551

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="sammyjenkis898"]

A lot of which is certainly on display now.

sammyjenkis898

After listening to IW just a few minutes ago, i dont find his criticisms unwarranted

After listening to IW just a few minutes ago, i dont find his criticisms unwarranted

EPaul

Zelda can have both. Hopefully it does next gen. hensothor

Zelda has ALWAYS had high production values and top of the line world and gameplay design.

It just doesnt present itself in a manner that would translate well as a summer blockuster hollywood movie. You know, the thing that single-handedly threw japanese games behind western developed titles as far as press coverage and appretiation goes.

Nowadays if you want instant coverage, go CINEMATIC!!!!

He even suggests the game might have been delayed cause they might have had to fix controls after the E3 showing? Uhhh.

Nowadays if you want instant coverage, go CINEMATIC!!!!Thunderdrone

I agree with the Gametrailers guy. The Wii just feels so outdated. And no matter how great Zelda is, I just will never be able to get into it.

I think those are his opinions and his preferences. If he prefers modern experiences and doesn't like Zelda as much, that's what he thinks. Doesn't make him wrong, though I wish he worded it differently so it didn't sound like he was trying to make a factual statement.

[QUOTE="hensothor"]Zelda can have both. Hopefully it does next gen. Thunderdrone

Zelda has ALWAYS had high production values and top of the line world and gameplay design.

It just doesnt present itself in a manner that would translate well as a summer blockuster hollywood movie. You know, the thing that single-handedly threw japanese games behind western developed titles as far as press coverage and appretiation goes.

Nowadays if you want instant coverage, go CINEMATIC!!!!

Japanese games aren't cinematic? Even though JRPGs have way more cutscenes and overly dramatic storylines then WRPGs?

Even tho MGS is, well, MGS?

And even those Japanese games that are praised for their pure awesome gameplay like Vanquish have plenty of cutscenes too, with a horrible b movie plot too.

I honestly don't get this "cinematic" thing people complain about. In Gears I'm blowing up alien **** same as I did in Red Faction on PS2, Turok on N64, Super Probotector (contra) on SNES, yet it's suddenly a bad thing? And only Nintendo with it's last gen tech is doing it right? Please explain, I wish to be enlightened.

Define what "go CINEMATIC" means, please :)

[QUOTE="EPaul"]

After listening to IW just a few minutes ago, i dont find his criticisms unwarranted

SF_KiLLaMaN

He said that the motion controls works 80% of the time and that it can be frustrating to die because of them. Also he said we should like to relax on the couch to play the game but with the motion controls you have to sit upright at attention to throw/roll bombs.Which can be very uncomfortable for a long game like Zelda. He also point out that the game is severely padded to stretch game time which has also be stated by other reviews. So he want s to cut the padding in the game to make shorter and he wants button controls for better accuracy,these complaints are not unwarranted to me

I agree with the Gametrailers guy. The Wii just feels so outdated. And no matter how great Zelda is, I just will never be able to get into it.

phantomblade220

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]Nowadays if you want instant coverage, go CINEMATIC!!!!Giancar

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"][QUOTE="EPaul"]

After listening to IW just a few minutes ago, i dont find his criticisms unwarranted

EPaul

He said that the motion controls works 80% of the time and that it can be frustrating to die because of them. Also he said we should like to relax on the couch to play the game but with the motion controls you have to sit upright at attention to throw/roll bombs.Which can be very uncomfortable for a long game like Zelda. He also point out that the game is severely padded to stretch game time which has also be stated by other reviews. So he want s to cut the padding in the game to make shorter and he wants button controls for better accuracy,these complaints are not unwarranted to me

Define what "go CINEMATIC" means, please :)

locopatho

A game who's pacing is a string of multiple scripted explosions and or events until the end credits roll. One that only hints at complex and detailed worlds but in fact frames all the action for the gamer because once you stop to look the other way, there is nothing there.

The most popular game this year is a great example. Its called Modern Warfare 3

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

"If i could take a 20 hour game with super high production values and cinematic presentation over a 50 hour game [like Zelda], i would take it"

GamerEye

Thats just his opinion, which I think is completely wrong. I don't see why we can't have a cinematic presentation AND a game over 50 hours.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Define what "go CINEMATIC" means, please :)

Thunderdrone

A game who's pacing is a string of multiple scripted explosions and or events until the end credits roll. One that only hints at complex and detailed worlds but in fact frames all the action for the gamer because once you stop to look the other way, there is nothing there.

The most popular game this year is a great example. Its called Modern Warfare 3

[QUOTE="GamerEye"]

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

"If i could take a 20 hour game with super high production values and cinematic presentation over a 50 hour game [like Zelda], i would take it"

savagetwinkie

Thats just his opinion, which I think is completely wrong. I don't see why we can't have a cinematic presentation AND a game over 50 hours.

Those were just some of those complaints. He also mentioned that he feels like there's a lot of filler (there's a section where you have to play hide and seek with a bunch of chickens) between dungeons. He feels the game gives the illusion that it's different but it's still the same as all the other Zeldas. He felt the dowsing mechanic was frustrating and boring. Bomb controls don't work properly.

I played the Gamestop demo and I agree that the graphics are unpleasant and the bombs do take time to get used to. It is still great fun though. All his criticisms seem fair.

i prefer- highly scripted cinmatic games, but Dark Souls is my favorite game this gen so.

[QUOTE="EPaul"]

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"] He wants the game to be shorter with button combat so he can lay down and play. Please explain how that is legitimate criticism. SF_KiLLaMaN

He said that the motion controls works 80% of the time and that it can be frustrating to die because of them. Also he said we should like to relax on the couch to play the game but with the motion controls you have to sit upright at attention to throw/roll bombs.Which can be very uncomfortable for a long game like Zelda. He also point out that the game is severely padded to stretch game time which has also be stated by other reviews. So he want s to cut the padding in the game to make shorter and he wants button controls for better accuracy,these complaints are not unwarranted to me

"Padded" means adding useless, unnecessary stuff like having to use the dousing mechanic to find chickens before you can progress in the game. Basically he says that they force you to do boring, unnecessary things before you progress further into the game. This point has been supported by other reviews. The motion control one point i havent heard about yet but i've only read a few reviews so far for Zelda. However i feel people should listen the Zelda segment of the podcast before they go bashing the guy because he gave his opinion on a game he has played already and many haven't.

Wait, the editor-in-chief of Game Trailers likes short and crappy movie wannabe games with no substance? So, you're surprised why exactly?

Wait, the editor-in-chief of Game Trailers likes short and crappy movie wannabe games with no substance? So, you're surprised why exactly?

Renegade_Fury

lol why don't you actually seee what he said in full context.