Gametrailers Editor-in-Chief sets his priorities straight...

I came into this thread expecting a mountain.

I found a mole hill being circled by fanboys.

Seriously guys? Seriously? You're upset by this? SERIOUSLY?????

Do you guys get upset by your friends who prefer movies like Transformers, or who prefer modern-day music as well? I know I sure as hell don't.

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

Wait, the editor-in-chief of Game Trailers likes short and crappy movie wannabe games with no substance? So, you're surprised why exactly?

Austindro

lol why don't you actually seee what he said in full context.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="GamerEye"]

Thats just his opinion, which I think is completely wrong. I don't see why we can't have a cinematic presentation AND a game over 50 hours.

locopatho

Like?

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

Wait, the editor-in-chief of Game Trailers likes short and crappy movie wannabe games with no substance? So, you're surprised why exactly?

Austindro

lol why don't you actually seee what he said in full context.

I read what the TC gave me. The guy likes NPCs and cinematic fluff like in shallow games such as Assassin's Creed. I have no urge to investigate further since this is the site that is associated with Spike TV's demographic after all.

Ok, that's what I understood it to mean. But then why apply it to Assassin#s Creed?locopatho

Like i said before, the reason i made this thread is because of what the first quote implies. And take notice that it had nothing to do with Assassins Creed.In fact, i loved Assassins Creed II and i have Brotherhood still wrapped in my shelf, waiting to be played.

So yeah, i'm not hating on AC at all, just how the hard work put in a game like Zelda gets pushed aside as if its not important because it lacks his idea of "cinematic experience".

[QUOTE="locopatho"]Ok, that's what I understood it to mean. But then why apply it to Assassin#s Creed?Thunderdrone

Like i said before, the reason i made this thread is because of what the first quote implies. And take notice that it had nothing to do with Assassins Creed.In fact, i loved Assassins Creed II and i have Brotherhood still wrapped in my shelf, waiting to be played.

So yeah, i'm not hating on AC at all, just how the hard work put in a game like Zelda gets pushed aside as if its not important because it lacks his idea of "cinematic experience".

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] costmadsnakehhh

Like?

Edit: I took "cinematic presentation" to mean huge worlds, tons of NPCs and content, and HD graphics. That may not be the correct definition....

Cinematic game design is a disease, and the gaming industry (and especially critics) have been brainwashed by it. It's pathetic.

So this thread could be summed up as, dumbass wants Zelda to be Uncharted lets laugh at him? That's something I could get behind :)locopatho

I'd swich "Zelda" with "more complex and intricate, gameplay-orientated adventure games" though.

I can`t stand that guy, espicially when he`s on the bonus round. He is so annoying.

[QUOTE="Austindro"]

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

Wait, the editor-in-chief of Game Trailers likes short and crappy movie wannabe games with no substance? So, you're surprised why exactly?

Renegade_Fury

lol why don't you actually seee what he said in full context.

I read what the TC gave me. The guy likes NPCs and cinematic fluff like in shallow games such as Assassin's Creed. I have no urge to investigate further since this is the site that is associated with Spike TV's demographic after all.

He bashes Zelda for being shallow with hours of gameplay that is just a filler, no substance. He would rather have 20 hours of solid gamplay, pacing, cinematic and production value. The couple sentences you are judging him on are taken out of context; he wants substance in his gameplay. He also wants modernization which is a valid opinion.

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="locopatho"] Other games manage it.locopatho

Like?

Edit: I took "cinematic presentation" to mean huge worlds, tons of NPCs and content, and HD graphics. That may not be the correct definition....

Indeed, that is not cinematic, show me a game that doesn't struggle to last more than 10 hourss with events so heavily scripted like Gears, Uncharted or MW3 that presents a massive world like Skyrim or Zelda and then we talk.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

Like?

madsnakehhh

Edit: I took "cinematic presentation" to mean huge worlds, tons of NPCs and content, and HD graphics. That may not be the correct definition....

Indeed, that is not cinematic, show me a game that doesn't struggle to last more than 10 hourss with events so heavily scripted like Gears, Uncharted or MW3 that presents a massive world like Skyrim or Zelda and then we talk.

GTA comes to mind, although I've always found the balance between the missions and free-roaming a bit lacking.

I agree with his point. I'd much prefer something like Assassin's Creed, even Uncharted over a Zelda game. I think Zelda could mix with Assassin's Creed, Elder Scrolls, Red Dead Redemption and I would fall in love with it.

I want to see more life in the game. NPC's moving around doing more. Populated cities. Some voice over work (not for link though) some cool linear stages and horse back chase scenes, tons of stores and customization, more games to play in the world. Tons of races to do. More fluid animation, nicer visuals. Maybe the ability to make good and bad choices which effect the look of Hyrule and the story. But yet still keep all the things that make Zelda great like the inredible dungeon designs. I'd also like a more believable Hyrule to traverse.

He bashes Zelda for being shallow with hours of gameplay that is just a filler, no substance. He would rather have 20 hours of solid gamplay, pacing, cinematic and production value. The couple sentences you are judging him on are taken out of context; he wants substance in his gameplay. He also wants modernization which is a valid opinion.

Austindro

[QUOTE="Austindro"]He bashes Zelda for being shallow with hours of gameplay that is just a filler, no substance. He would rather have 20 hours of solid gamplay, pacing, cinematic and production value. The couple sentences you are judging him on are taken out of context; he wants substance in his gameplay. He also wants modernization which is a valid opinion.

Thunderdrone

That is what a filler is...

I worded my sentence wrong, I was referring to those portions of the game he deemed as fillers. Not the entire game.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

[QUOTE="Austindro"]He bashes Zelda for being shallow with hours of gameplay that is just a filler, no substance. He would rather have 20 hours of solid gamplay, pacing, cinematic and production value. The couple sentences you are judging him on are taken out of context; he wants substance in his gameplay. He also wants modernization which is a valid opinion.

Austindro

That is what a filler is...

A classic case of "I like this, so everything not like this thing I like should stop whatever it's doing and be exactly like this thing I like."

[QUOTE="Austindro"]

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"] He didnt say Zelda is shallow and lacks substance. He is not completely stupid yet.

Thunderdrone

That is what a filler is...

Not all opinions are shared by the majority.

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

[QUOTE="Austindro"]

lol why don't you actually seee what he said in full context.

Austindro

I read what the TC gave me. The guy likes NPCs and cinematic fluff like in shallow games such as Assassin's Creed. I have no urge to investigate further since this is the site that is associated with Spike TV's demographic after all.

He bashes Zelda for being shallow with hours of gameplay that is justa filler, no substance. He would rather have 20 hours of solid gamplay, pacing, cinematic and production value. The couple sentences you are judging him on are taking out of context; he wants substance in his gameplay. He also wants modernization whichis a valid opinion.

Gameplay is never filler. It's what makes video games, video games, and is the absolute most important factor. Hell, it IS the substance. So if a game consists of nothing but gameplay, then that is absolutely terrific. If he would rather have cinematic fluff over 50 hours of fantastic gameplay, then I couldn't care less about his B movie loving opinion. In fact, I think his opinion is the type that is ruining the industry. That all said, Zelda isn't just gameplay, because there is a story, there is fantastic music, etc. It's not like it's pacman.

Zelda games aren't known for combat and yet every review has praised it. The games are known first and foremost for its puzzle elements. The boss fights to the dungeons every game was trying to figure out how to beat the level. That is what made the game special not how they implemented the controls. If the game is easier or has weak dungeons it is the worst zelda game. I don't care to argue this but the combat sucks plain and simple in these games. Nothing special about the combat. As for the story, who remembers the stories in these games?

A classic case of "I like this, so everything not like this thing I like should stop whatever it's doing and be exactly like this thing I like."

789shadow

I agree with his point. I'd much prefer something like Assassin's Creed, even Uncharted over a Zelda game. I think Zelda could mix with Assassin's Creed, Elder Scrolls, Red Dead Redemption and I would fall in love with it.

I want to see more life in the game. NPC's moving around doing more. Populated cities. Some voice over work (not for link though) some cool linear stages and horse back chase scenes, tons of stores and customization, more games to play in the world. Tons of races to do. More fluid animation, nicer visuals. Maybe the ability to make good and bad choices which effect the look of Hyrule and the story. But yet still keep all the things that make Zelda great like the inredible dungeon designs. I'd also like a more believable Hyrule to traverse.

contracts420

[QUOTE="Austindro"]

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

I read what the TC gave me. The guy likes NPCs and cinematic fluff like in shallow games such as Assassin's Creed. I have no urge to investigate further since this is the site that is associated with Spike TV's demographic after all.

Renegade_Fury

He bashes Zelda for being shallow with hours of gameplay that is justa filler, no substance. He would rather have 20 hours of solid gamplay, pacing, cinematic and production value. The couple sentences you are judging him on are taking out of context; he wants substance in his gameplay. He also wants modernization whichis a valid opinion.

Gameplay is never filler. It's what makes video games, video games, and is the absolute most important factor. Hell, it IS the substance. So if a game consists of nothing but gameplay, then that is absolutely terrific. If he would rather have cinematic fluff over 50 hours of fantastic gameplay, then I couldn't care less about his B movie loving opinion. In fact, I think his opinion is the type that is ruining the industry. That all said, Zelda isn't just gameplay, because there is a story, there is fantastic music, etc. It's not like it's pacman.

Well apparently he thought Zelda's gameplay must have been too tideous and boring for 50 hours. Not to mention it is dated, very true considering the hardware is from like a decade ago.

[QUOTE="contracts420"]

I agree with his point. I'd much prefer something like Assassin's Creed, even Uncharted over a Zelda game. I think Zelda could mix with Assassin's Creed, Elder Scrolls, Red Dead Redemption and I would fall in love with it.

I want to see more life in the game. NPC's moving around doing more. Populated cities. Some voice over work (not for link though) some cool linear stages and horse back chase scenes, tons of stores and customization, more games to play in the world. Tons of races to do. More fluid animation, nicer visuals. Maybe the ability to make good and bad choices which effect the look of Hyrule and the story. But yet still keep all the things that make Zelda great like the inredible dungeon designs. I'd also like a more believable Hyrule to traverse.

locopatho

[QUOTE="Austindro"]You can't make argument for the sky being green... The guy made valid points, he did not say everyone should feel the way he should. People's reaction to his personal opinion is hilarious.foxhound_fox

lol that is not an argument supporting a claim that the sky is green. Why would one feel the sky is green unless they are color blind?

People are mad bc he thinks the Wii is dated and looks like it has handheld graphics. He also feels the motion controls are annoying in games with such length. Motion controls are annoying in general so his opinion on that is very valid.

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"][QUOTE="Austindro"]

That is what a filler is...

Austindro

Not all opinions are shared by the majority.

The only "filler" I know of in SS would be the sidequests? The rest of the game has none.

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

[QUOTE="Austindro"]

He bashes Zelda for being shallow with hours of gameplay that is justa filler, no substance. He would rather have 20 hours of solid gamplay, pacing, cinematic and production value. The couple sentences you are judging him on are taking out of context; he wants substance in his gameplay. He also wants modernization whichis a valid opinion.

Austindro

Gameplay is never filler. It's what makes video games, video games, and is the absolute most important factor. Hell, it IS the substance. So if a game consists of nothing but gameplay, then that is absolutely terrific. If he would rather have cinematic fluff over 50 hours of fantastic gameplay, then I couldn't care less about his B movie loving opinion. In fact, I think his opinion is the type that is ruining the industry. That all said, Zelda isn't just gameplay, because there is a story, there is fantastic music, etc. It's not like it's pacman.

Well apparently he thought Zelda'sgameplaymust have beentoo tideous and boring for 50 hours.Not to mention it is dated, verytrue considering the hardwareis from like a decade ago.

Well if it's too tedious for him, then he should have let someone who can play it do it, while he can sit back and enjoy his QTE game of the month. The new gameplay, dungeon layout, and upgrades are what are getting the love judging by reviews. Other than graphics, not sure what is dated since this Zelda is trying to break the mold for the most part.

[QUOTE="Austindro"]

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

Gameplay is never filler. It's what makes video games, video games, and is the absolute most important factor. Hell, it IS the substance. So if a game consists of nothing but gameplay, then that is absolutely terrific. If he would rather have cinematic fluff over 50 hours of fantastic gameplay, then I couldn't care less about his B movie loving opinion. In fact, I think his opinion is the type that is ruining the industry. That all said, Zelda isn't just gameplay, because there is a story, there is fantastic music, etc. It's not like it's pacman.

Renegade_Fury

Well apparently he thought Zelda'sgameplaymust have beentoo tideous and boring for 50 hours.Not to mention it is dated, verytrue considering the hardwareis from like a decade ago.

Well if it's too tedious for him, then he should have let someone who can play it do it, while he can sit back and enjoy his QTE game of the month. The new gameplay, dungeon layout, and upgrades are what are getting the love judging by reviews. Other than graphics, not sure what is dated since this Zelda is trying to break the mold for the most part.

Tidious has nothing to do with difficulty...

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

[QUOTE="Austindro"]

Well apparently he thought Zelda'sgameplaymust have beentoo tideous and boring for 50 hours.Not to mention it is dated, verytrue considering the hardwareis from like a decade ago.

Austindro

Well if it's too tedious for him, then he should have let someone who can play it do it, while he can sit back and enjoy his QTE game of the month. The new gameplay, dungeon layout, and upgrades are what are getting the love judging by reviews. Other than graphics, not sure what is dated since this Zelda is trying to break the mold for the most part.

Tidious has nothing to do with difficulty...

Uh, and where did I say anything about difficulty? :|

Not all opinions are shared by the majority.Austindro

[QUOTE="Austindro"]

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

Well if it's too tedious for him, then he should have let someone who can play it do it, while he can sit back and enjoy his QTE game of the month. The new gameplay, dungeon layout, and upgrades are what are getting the love judging by reviews. Other than graphics, not sure what is dated since this Zelda is trying to break the mold for the most part.

Renegade_Fury

Tidious has nothing to do with difficulty...

Uh, and where did I say anything about difficulty? :|

Bc that is what this statement, "then he should have let someone who can play it do it," sounds like you are referring to. My apologies.

Why would somone want to play a game were they feel the gameplay is dull? That is his opinion, he is allowed to have one.

i agree with everything he said there, except for assassin's creed being used as an example of an exemplary current gen game. you guys shoudnt get so up in arms about this. its not a crazy, fringe opinion.

Im sorry, but now that graphics, character animations, and environments are becoming closer and closer to being photorealistic, it only makes sense that games should move towards cinematic presentation.

Alot of gamers arrogantly consider themselves "purists" and they are frozen in total fear at this prospect of change. they subsequently lash out at any game that tries to further this area and, with a pretentious bravado, deem them to be lesser forms of the art.

If the success of games like uncharted show anything, its that the industry isn't listening to these people. and im glad for it. Because I want more games like uncharted, heavy rain, god of war 3, killzone 3, and less games like skyward sword.

[QUOTE="Austindro"]Not all opinions are shared by the majority.foxhound_fox

His whole opinion on the game is about preference...

He made valid points, most of which I do not agree with. But I understand where he is coming from. The problem is the Wii is an inferior product and can't handle what he would prefer.

i agree with everything he said there, except for assassin's creed being used as an example of an exemplary current gen game. you guys shoudnt get so up in arms about this. its not a crazy, fringe opinion.

Im sorry, but now that graphics, character animations, and environments are becoming closer and closer to being photorealistic, it only makes sense that games should move towards cinematic presentation.

Alot of gamers arrogantly consider themselves "purists" and they are frozen in total fear at this prospect of change. they subsequently lash out at any game that tries to further this area and, with a pretentious bravado, deem them to be lesser forms of the art.

If the success of games like uncharted show anything, its that the industry isn't listening to these people. and im glad for it. Because I want more games like uncharted, heavy rain, god of war 3, and less games like skyward sword.

arbitor365

[QUOTE="locopatho"][QUOTE="contracts420"]

I agree with his point. I'd much prefer something like Assassin's Creed, even Uncharted over a Zelda game. I think Zelda could mix with Assassin's Creed, Elder Scrolls, Red Dead Redemption and I would fall in love with it.

I want to see more life in the game. NPC's moving around doing more. Populated cities. Some voice over work (not for link though) some cool linear stages and horse back chase scenes, tons of stores and customization, more games to play in the world. Tons of races to do. More fluid animation, nicer visuals. Maybe the ability to make good and bad choices which effect the look of Hyrule and the story. But yet still keep all the things that make Zelda great like the inredible dungeon designs. I'd also like a more believable Hyrule to traverse.

Shinobishyguy

"I'm glad the Wii is on its way out, when i'm playing a game like Assassins Creed with 500 NPC's on screen, its hard to go back to something like Skyward Sword"

Thunderdrone

His whole opinion on the game is about preference... He made valid points, most of which I do not agree with. But I understand where he is coming from. The problem is the Wii is an inferior product and can't handle what he would prefer.Austindro

[QUOTE="Thunderdrone"]

"I'm glad the Wii is on its way out, when i'm playing a game like Assassins Creed with 500 NPC's on screen, its hard to go back to something like Skyward Sword"

fend_oblivion

i agree with everything he said there, except for assassin's creed being used as an example of an exemplary current gen game. you guys shoudnt get so up in arms about this. its not a crazy, fringe opinion.

Im sorry, but now that graphics, character animations, and environments are becoming closer and closer to being photorealistic, it only makes sense that games should move towards cinematic presentation.

A lot of gamers arrogantly consider themselves "purists" and they are frozen in total fear at this prospect of change. they subsequently lash out at any game that tries to further this area and, with a pretentious bravado, deem them to be lesser forms of the art.

If the success of games like uncharted show anything, its that the industry isn't listening to these people. and im glad for it. Because I want more games like uncharted, heavy rain, god of war 3, and less games like skyward sword.

arbitor365

We have every right to be pissed when a major reviewer doesn't know how to properly compare two games.

No, no, no. Cinematic presentation is **** and only drives up the cost. On top of that, devs put more focus into presentation and less on content and gameplay. Skyward Sword has enough "cinematic presentation." We are not close to being photorealistic and it sure isn't happening in the next gen or two.

No, they lash out when they think we need to inject everything Hollywood into every game.

Yeah, that's Uncharted. Do we suddenly need to make every game like Uncharted simply because one game did cinematic presentation well? That's what I hate the most about UC personally. You haven't even touched Skyward Sword yet, and God of War 3 sucked btw.

[QUOTE="Renegade_Fury"]

[QUOTE="Austindro"]

Tidious has nothing to do with difficulty...

Austindro

Uh, and where did I say anything about difficulty? :|

Bc that is what this statement, "then he should have let someone who can play it do it," sounds like you are referring to. My apologies.

Why would somone want to play a game were they feel the gameplay is dull? That is his opinion, he is allowed to have one.

I said, "If it's too tedious for him, then he should let someone who can play it do it." Meaning, if he can't handle the tediousness, let someone who doesn't have a problem with the game. play it. That doesn't mean I'm saying he sucks at it, or that it's too hard for him, but if it's too annoying, then let someone who doesn't have an issue with it play.

If it's dull to him, then he shouldn't play it. I never said he can't have an opinion, but rather that I think his sucks, and I give no weight to it, since GT is aimed at the Spike TV demographic.

[QUOTE="Austindro"]His whole opinion on the game is about preference... He made valid points, most of which I do not agree with. But I understand where he is coming from. The problem is the Wii is an inferior product and can't handle what he would prefer.foxhound_fox

I never said his opinion was right; although I do think the Wii is best suited as a paperweight.

Almost every game on the Wii is behind the times but they're still decent games. Nintendo doesn't raise the bar anymore like they used to but it's not the dev's fault when they have a limited canvas.tomarlyn

They have different not better worlds. They are better then CODs worlds tho.

locopatho

I never said his opinion was right; Austindro

i agree with everything he said there, except for assassin's creed being used as an example of an exemplary current gen game. you guys shoudnt get so up in arms about this. its not a crazy, fringe opinion.

Im sorry, but now that graphics, character animations, and environments are becoming closer and closer to being photorealistic, it only makes sense that games should move towards cinematic presentation.

Alot of gamers arrogantly consider themselves "purists" and they are frozen in total fear at this prospect of change. they subsequently lash out at any game that tries to further this area and, with a pretentious bravado, deem them to be lesser forms of the art.

If the success of games like uncharted show anything, its that the industry isn't listening to these people. and im glad for it. Because I want more games like uncharted, heavy rain, god of war 3, killzone 3, and less games like skyward sword.

arbitor365

Get off your high horse, and in my humble opinion it seems that you are not quite as informed as you think regarding the diversity of gaming (a.k.a a lot of genres in gaming wouldn't benefit from a 'cinematic presentation', like, at all)

And Heavy Rain was a poor man's adventure game, with a horrible story to boot, i would definitely not want more games like that. I recommend you try out some decent adventure games on the PC, your standards will most likely rise after you play them.

i agree with everything he said there, except for assassin's creed being used as an example of an exemplary current gen game. you guys shoudnt get so up in arms about this. its not a crazy, fringe opinion.

Im sorry, but now that graphics, character animations, and environments are becoming closer and closer to being photorealistic, it only makes sense that games should move towards cinematic presentation.

Alot of gamers arrogantly consider themselves "purists" and they are frozen in total fear at this prospect of change. they subsequently lash out at any game that tries to further this area and, with a pretentious bravado, deem them to be lesser forms of the art.

If the success of games like uncharted show anything, its that the industry isn't listening to these people. and im glad for it. Because I want more games like uncharted, heavy rain, god of war 3, killzone 3, and less games like skyward sword.

arbitor365

[QUOTE="hensothor"]Zelda can have both. Hopefully it does next gen. Thunderdrone

Zelda has ALWAYS had high production values and top of the line world and gameplay design.

It just doesnt present itself in a manner that would translate well as a summer blockuster hollywood movie. You know, the thing that single-handedly threw japanese games behind western developed titles as far as press coverage and appretiation goes.

Nowadays if you want instant coverage, go CINEMATIC!!!!

Did WW and TP really?