Gaming rigs do not cost $3000...

I dont see why you would want to buy a pc that costs the around the same as a console. I would not buy a pc that costs what a console does. Consoles are dedicated gaming machines which are not upgradable. Pcs built to game can be upgradable. However if you buy cheap pc parts to try and match a console price your pc will end up being less upgradable.

My point spend $600 on a next gen console

Spend more when building a next gen pc.

I~~~~~~~~~~~~~IXIXI ~ Rig ~ IXIXI~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I

[QUOTE="dracolich666"]Not really, i want this rig to last long, and the PSU is to cover my other R600 at the end of the year, and my 3.33Ghz quad.Vandalvideo

No really i got my quad for $500, my psu is very high quality and i never skimp on that. As for the monitor is was $300 and i wanted to get a great motherboard so the best is the badaxe 2 for crossfire. Its far from a mistake, i planed it well.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="dracolich666"]Not really, i want this rig to last long, and the PSU is to cover my other R600 at the end of the year, and my 3.33Ghz quad.dracolich666

No really i got my quad for $500, my psu is very high quality and i never skimp on that. As for the monitor is was $300 and i wanted to get a great motherboard so the best is the badaxe 2 for crossfire. Its far from a mistake, i planed it well.

[QUOTE="dracolich666"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="dracolich666"]Not really, i want this rig to last long, and the PSU is to cover my other R600 at the end of the year, and my 3.33Ghz quad.Vandalvideo

No really i got my quad for $500, my psu is very high quality and i never skimp on that. As for the monitor is was $300 and i wanted to get a great motherboard so the best is the badaxe 2 for crossfire. Its far from a mistake, i planed it well.

I also built this rig months ago, right when the quads came out. Now you can get one for $280, when at the time i got mine they were $1k. Memory is also ALOT cheaper now, and 3dmarks dont mean sh*t. I could care less if you could build one cheaper, hell i could build one cheaper then you because i can get a Q6600 for $140. :lol:

I dont see why you would want to buy a pc that costs the around the same as a console. I would not buy a pc that costs what a console does. Consoles are dedicated gaming machines which are not upgradable. Pcs built to game can be upgradable. However if you buy cheap pc parts to try and match a console price your pc will end up being less upgradable.

My point spend $600 on a next gen console

Spend more when building a next gen pc.

I~~~~~~~~~~~~~IXIXI ~ Rig ~ IXIXI~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I

DazKurupt

Not really true, unless you're stupid and buy a motherboard that doesn't support the up-and-coming standards. If you buy a good motherboard and cheap hardware, you can leave yourself plenty of room to upgrade. Make sure to get the latest processor socket from whatever company you like, make sure it supports fast ram, and of course PCI-E, cossfire or SLI depending on what video card brand you like and if you plan on running dual cards, and you'll do okay when a year or so down the line you decide it needs more oomph.

[QUOTE="jt8b2z"]

besides why should us pc gamers have to justify a pc being the same price as a console.

A pc is a far, far , far more useful bit of kit than a games console ever will be.

Killfox

Indeed.

Well said.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"]They Don't!? Apprently you haven't looked at Northwest Falcon.Unforgiven2870

:| I'm well aware of how ridiculous the pricing is...if everyone knew how to build a PC then Dell, HP, VooDoo, Alienware etc. would be chapter 13's. $3400 prebuilt PC

I also built this rig months ago, right when the quads came out. Now you can get one for $280, when at the time i got mine they were $1k. Memory is also ALOT cheaper now, and 3dmarks dont mean sh*t. I could care less if you could build one cheaper, hell i could build one cheaper then you because i can get a Q6600 for $140. :lol:dracolich666

So in other words you acknowledge that its overly expensive and the same kind of machine could be built exponentially cheaper? Great.Vandalvideo

Now yes, at the time no. Remember i build this last year, cept i got the R600 when it hit.

[QUOTE="DazKurupt"]

I dont see why you would want to buy a pc that costs the around the same as a console. I would not buy a pc that costs what a console does. Consoles are dedicated gaming machines which are not upgradable. Pcs built to game can be upgradable. However if you buy cheap pc parts to try and match a console price your pc will end up being less upgradable.

My point spend $600 on a next gen console

Spend more when building a next gen pc.

I~~~~~~~~~~~~~IXIXI ~ Rig ~ IXIXI~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I

XcoyoteX

Not really true, unless you're stupid and buy a motherboard that doesn't support the up-and-coming standards. If you buy a good motherboard and cheap hardware, you can leave yourself plenty of room to upgrade. Make sure to get the latest processor socket from whatever company you like, make sure it supports fast ram, and of course PCI-E, cossfire or SLI depending on what video card brand you like and if you plan on running dual cards, and you'll do okay when a year or so down the line you decide it needs more oomph.

Sure you could buy a nice motherboard and gimp everything else and upgrade later but that proves my point. Your going to spend more on a pc then a console anyways eventually.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] So in other words you acknowledge that its overly expensive and the same kind of machine could be built exponentially cheaper? Great.dracolich666

Now yes, at the time no. Remember i build this last year, cept i got the R600 when it hit.

I dont see why you would want to buy a pc that costs the around the same as a console. I would not buy a pc that costs what a console does. Consoles are dedicated gaming machines which are not upgradable. Pcs built to game can be upgradable. However if you buy cheap pc parts to try and match a console price your pc will end up being less upgradable.

My point spend $600 on a next gen console

Spend more when building a next gen pc.

I~~~~~~~~~~~~~IXIXI ~ Rig ~ IXIXI~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I

DazKurupt

I know what you mean but some fanboys that are avoid this thread think that gaming on PC will cost the price of a 1997 honda civic.
Your sig is funneh..you should add mist right at the tip of the wiimote:lol:

:| I'm well aware of how ridiculous the pricing is...if everyone knew how to build a PC then Dell, HP, VooDoo, Alienware etc. would be chapter 13's. $3400 prebuilt PC

Pro_wrestler

Wow, that $3400 Dell doesn't even include a GPU. :|

I hate Dell.

[QUOTE="DazKurupt"]

I dont see why you would want to buy a pc that costs the around the same as a console. I would not buy a pc that costs what a console does. Consoles are dedicated gaming machines which are not upgradable. Pcs built to game can be upgradable. However if you buy cheap pc parts to try and match a console price your pc will end up being less upgradable.

My point spend $600 on a next gen console

Spend more when building a next gen pc.

I~~~~~~~~~~~~~IXIXI ~ Rig ~ IXIXI~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I

Pro_wrestler

I know what you mean but some fanboys that are avoid this thread think that gaming on PC will cost the price of a 1997 honda civic.
Your sig is funneh..you should add mist right at the tip of the wiimote:lol:

lol

But I don't know how to build a computer. :( I could buy all that stuff, but I doubt ducktaping and glueing every together will work. :(Not-A-Stalker

Or you can ask help on a hardware forum, then make a list of the items you need, go to a PC store (a good one, ask hardware forum again) and make them to put your PC together. That's how I did.

[QUOTE="XcoyoteX"][QUOTE="DazKurupt"]

I dont see why you would want to buy a pc that costs the around the same as a console. I would not buy a pc that costs what a console does. Consoles are dedicated gaming machines which are not upgradable. Pcs built to game can be upgradable. However if you buy cheap pc parts to try and match a console price your pc will end up being less upgradable.

My point spend $600 on a next gen console

Spend more when building a next gen pc.

I~~~~~~~~~~~~~IXIXI ~ Rig ~ IXIXI~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I

DazKurupt

Not really true, unless you're stupid and buy a motherboard that doesn't support the up-and-coming standards. If you buy a good motherboard and cheap hardware, you can leave yourself plenty of room to upgrade. Make sure to get the latest processor socket from whatever company you like, make sure it supports fast ram, and of course PCI-E, cossfire or SLI depending on what video card brand you like and if you plan on running dual cards, and you'll do okay when a year or so down the line you decide it needs more oomph.

Sure you could buy a nice motherboard and gimp everything else and upgrade later but that proves my point. Your going to spend more on a pc then a console anyways eventually.

Yeah, you're right. I usually don't even bother figuring in long term costs though, what matters to me is how much I have to shell out at once. I find it a lot easier to get something that works now, and then find the extra 50, hundred bucks here and there, than to shell out 1200 bucks at once. You can still build a pretty capable machine that'll run most stuff satisfactorily for 600, and be upgradeable anyways. Unless you're including monitor/accessories in that price, but I don't 'cause nobody includes the cost of a TV/surround system or whatever in a console's price.

You picked a horrible time to upgrade/purchase. 0_0Vandalvideo

Trust me when you have a POS P4 and a i915p, and you have money burning a hole in your pocket its hard not to upgrade right away. I love this rig tho, and ive never spent more then $1300 on a rig till now, so its a first expesive rig for me. :D

What if I want to play Crysis at high settings? :|CB4McGusto

That list of components is pretty cringe-worthy. I understand your desire to keep it within the price range of a PS3/XBox, but with that setup things are either going to be outdated or simply break within 2 years, at which point you may spend another $600...kinda defeating the claim that costs are comparable.

I wouldn't include the monitor/speakers; consoles need to get HDTV's and receivers/speaker systems too, and both will last you through multiple systems/rigs to offset their costs.

Either do a Core 2 Duo or if you're really tight for money, an AMD X2. Get better RAM beyond "value" as well, more stable/reliable. And please stick with a decent HDD manufacturer like Hitachi or Seagate; economies of scale apply well to HDD's nowadays and it doesn't make much sense to get a 80GB one when you can get a 200+GB one for a little more.

Similarly, don't skimp on the case or the PSU - I wouldn't get anything less than 600W nowadays, and a good case will make upgrades so much easier and increase air flow in your system. I'd personally go for better a keyboard and mouse as well - anybody who plays FPS's will tell you a good mouse makes a huge difference and they last you a while anyway. Oh, and you have no optical drive, and I find it helpful to add a floppy + memory card reader, esp. if you're going to use SATA with Windows XP.

In the end, you're going to spend $1200+ on a decent rig, but you'd only have to upgrade $200 every year (or $300 every other year) to keep up with the times. PC's do give you more than consoles, so in my mind that justifies the added cost, and there's no real need to "match" consoles' price or functionality.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

:| I'm well aware of how ridiculous the pricing is...if everyone knew how to build a PC then Dell, HP, VooDoo, Alienware etc. would be chapter 13's. $3400 prebuilt PC

TrueReligion_

Wow, that $3400 Dell doesn't even include a GPU. :|

I hate Dell.

Hahaha! OMG *pukes* Thats like buying a Bugatti Veyron for $1.1Million only to find out it does have that 16 Cylinder engine you where hoping for :(

just for the record why are you guys thinking of getting the 2900xt 1gb ddr4 edition? 8800gtx is the same price and is a far better card, faster, quiter, less power consumption and less heat.jt8b2z

We have no idea how its going to perform in DX10 which is what these cards were made for.

What if I want to play Crysis at high settings? :|CB4McGusto

i can do it with 1k.

That list of components is pretty cringe-worthy. I understand your desire to keep it within the price range of a PS3/XBox, but with that setup things are either going to be outdated or simply break within 2 years, at which point you may spend another $600...kinda defeating the claim that costs are comparable.

I wouldn't include the monitor/speakers; consoles need to get HDTV's and receivers/speaker systems too, and both will last you through multiple systems/rigs to offset their costs.

Either do a Core 2 Duo or if you're really tight for money, an AMD X2. Get better RAM beyond "value" as well, more stable/reliable. And please stick with a decent HDD manufacturer like Hitachi or Seagate; economies of scale apply well to HDD's nowadays and it doesn't make much sense to get a 80GB one when you can get a 200+GB one for a little more.

Similarly, don't skimp on the case or the PSU - I wouldn't get anything less than 600W nowadays, and a good case will make upgrades so much easier and increase air flow in your system. I'd personally go for better a keyboard and mouse as well - anybody who plays FPS's will tell you a good mouse makes a huge difference and they last you a while anyway. Oh, and you have no optical drive, and I find it helpful to add a floppy + memory card reader, esp. if you're going to use SATA with Windows XP.

In the end, you're going to spend $1200+ on a decent rig, but you'd only have to upgrade $200 every year (or $300 every other year) to keep up with the times. PC's do give you more than consoles, so in my mind that justifies the added cost, and there's no real need to "match" consoles' price or functionality.

Datheron

Unless you can prove that those parts will break in 6 months, 2 years or even 10 years..what your saying is pure speculation! According to top end PC's what I listed is obviously inferior but it more than works againts the claims laid againts PCs in general and that was the whole point of it.

$622 huh? How long until I need to upgrade from that, six months? :roll:briguyb13

Remember, this thread isn't about the cost of a maxed out PC, but rather one that is more powerful than any of the consoles.

[QUOTE="jt8b2z"]just for the record why are you guys thinking of getting the 2900xt 1gb ddr4 edition? 8800gtx is the same price and is a far better card, faster, quiter, less power consumption and less heat.Killfox

We have no idea how its going to perform in DX10 which is what these cards were made for.

true, although early inidications show the same story in dx10 as is dx9. 8800's win in lost planet, world in conflict and compnay of heroes, whilst x2900xt win in call of juarez.

Although i agree its best to wiat till something like bioshock or crysis before complete judgement.

in dx9 however the 8800 gtx would be a much better choice in my opinion.

My rig was $3200. Monitor, everything.

dracolich666

is that because of the core 2 extreme?

[QUOTE="briguyb13"]$622 huh? How long until I need to upgrade from that, six months? :roll:l-_-l

people who think its every 6 months are stupid.

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="briguyb13"]$622 huh? How long until I need to upgrade from that, six months? :roll:themagicbum9720

people who think its every 6 months are stupid.

true

besides,

10 console games in 6 months = 40x 10 £400

10 pc games in 6 months= 10 x £25= £250.

theres £150 for a nice new video card if you really felt you needed one :|

[QUOTE="dracolich666"]

My rig was $3200. Monitor, everything.

themagicbum9720

is that because of the core 2 extreme?

I re-calculated it its under $2900, and yes the chip, board, PSU, memory was expensive, cept now mem is so damned cheap.

I completely agree with this thread. I built a comp that had a:

680i SLI ATX motherboard

8800 GTX

700W PSU

Thermaltake Armour full-tower case with built-in fans for overclocking

2GB Dual Channel RAM

C2D E6750

320GB HDD

Xi-Fi deluxe sound

For about $1,510. I use my 1080p HDTV as the screen. It blazes through damn near anything I throw at it @ 2500x1600, save Supreme Commander.

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="briguyb13"]$622 huh? How long until I need to upgrade from that, six months? :roll:themagicbum9720

people who think its every 6 months are stupid.

I think they get it confused with computers advancing every 6 months which makes you wish you had that instead.

[QUOTE="themagicbum9720"]

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="briguyb13"]$622 huh? How long until I need to upgrade from that, six months? :roll:jt8b2z

people who think its every 6 months are stupid.

true

besides,

10 console games in 6 months = 40x 10 £400

10 pc games in 6 months= 10 x £25= £250.

theres £150 for a nice new video card if you really felt you needed one :|

i know...the new geforce 9 series has dx10.1, so playing dx10 games will eaiser to play than the 8800. i would buy that from the money saved from games.

I completely agree with this thread. I built a comp that had a:

680i SLI ATX motherboard

8800 GTX

700W PSU

Thermaltake Armour full-tower case with built-in fans for overclocking

2GB Dual Channel RAM

C2D E6750

320GB HDD

Xi-Fi deluxe sound

For about $1,510. I use my 1080p HDTV as the screen. It blazes through damn near anything I throw at it @ 2500x1600, save Supreme Commander.

a_ratchet_fan

Nice rig but how can you play 2560x1600 on a 1080p TV?

[QUOTE="themagicbum9720"]

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="briguyb13"]$622 huh? How long until I need to upgrade from that, six months? :roll:Pro_wrestler

people who think its every 6 months are stupid.

I think they get it confused with computers advancing every 6 months which makes you wish you had that instead.

lol, so ture. I bought a 8800gtx 6 weeks ago, and i know come november/december i am going to want a 9800gtx. I just hope someone is generous over xmas time, and i can sell my 8800 for a good price :D

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="themagicbum9720"]

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="briguyb13"]$622 huh? How long until I need to upgrade from that, six months? :roll:jt8b2z

people who think its every 6 months are stupid.

I think they get it confused with computers advancing every 6 months which makes you wish you had that instead.

lol, so ture. I bought a 8800gtx 6 weeks ago, and i know come november/december i am going to want a 9800gtx. I just hope someone is generous over xmas time, and i can sell my 8800 for a good price :D

Yeah, thats why I'm going to wait until Quad-cores and GTXs are more mainstream before I completely build a new PC. That way I can just buy 2 GTXs, a Quad and forget about it for a few years.

If I was going to go all out today.

Silverstone TJ07 300.00

2 150GB Raptors 195.00 ea

Seagate 320GB 80.00

Thermaltake heatsink 60.00

EVGA 680i SLI LT 185.00

EVGA nVidia 8800GTS 640 375.00

Intel E6750 225.00

2 2x1GB Mushkin Redline 295.00 ea

Dell 2407WS 680.00

Logitech G15 KB 64.00

Logitech G5 Mouse 60.00

Grand Total = 3427.00...And if I looked around I prolly could knock off about 400 dollars and I prolly could find a better monitor, this is just what I found in about 15 minutes. But this would be a beast of a system with a RAID 0+1.

Unless you can prove that those parts will break in 6 months, 2 years or even 10 years..what your saying is pure speculation! According to top end PC's what I listed is obviously inferior but it more than works againts the claims laid againts PCs in general and that was the whole point of it.

Pro_wrestler

Uh - it's pretty common knowledge that greatly discounted pieces of hardware aren't discounted b/c they're quality - it's because the manufacturer skimped on the parts and the QA, and competes solely on the price. Even supposing that the components will continue to work 5 years down the line, anybody w/ $8 speakers and a $10 keyboard/mouse combo waste a perfectly good video card with crappy game input + audio output.

And I don't think it ever makes sense to compare PC's to consoles in terms of cost or functionality b/c they do such different things. Yes, you could build a PC that matches a console in price, but why would you ever when there's much more superior hardware which conform with modern standards and provide upgradeability? Your point is an obtuse one, if that.

To keep the performance above the consoles, not until a new console comes out, then you would have to upgrade, so about 5 or 6 years, not 6 months, you.......................FAIL!!!!!!!!

l-_-l

No, b/c consoles can be optimized as the generation matures whereas PC's have to be upgraded hardware-wise to get the same performance. Try to build a $120 PC which matches the specs of a PS2 and can run Gran Turismo 4 or God of War 2. 1.5-2 years is about right for minor hardware upgrades (by minor I mean a graphics card change, maybe more RAM or a new processor) if you want to keep everything running smoothly at your current resolution and AA/AF/detail settings.

You forgot tax on Californians and shipping.

While you are right TC, those components won't last long. A Pentium D? A $50 dollar mobo? If anyone buys a mobo it should be a P35 chipset to insure some future proofing. Cheapest P35 mobo will be $100 bucks, but really should spend a bit more.

$1000 bucks will get you a respectable gaming rig, can't forget the 8800GTS at minimum.

[QUOTE="chulomex3"]What if you don't want to buy a cheap ECS mobo that will die on you in 6 months?Pro_wrestler

Unless you can prove that my MB will die in 6 months then you can't really argue that as a fact :P

Not to mention that your mobo probably has a good warranty. But the lemmings shouldn't talk about any piece of PC hardware dying in six months! The Xbox 360 hardware is king of faulty design and hardware.

[QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"]

I completely agree with this thread. I built a comp that had a:

680i SLI ATX motherboard

8800 GTX

700W PSU

Thermaltake Armour full-tower case with built-in fans for overclocking

2GB Dual Channel RAM

C2D E6750

320GB HDD

Xi-Fi deluxe sound

For about $1,510. I use my 1080p HDTV as the screen. It blazes through damn near anything I throw at it @ 2500x1600, save Supreme Commander.

dracolich666

Nice rig but how can you play 2560x1600 on a 1080p TV?

It doesn't matter what resolution the screen itself is running at; it can output a higher resolution. It's just 1080p native.

[QUOTE="jt8b2z"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="themagicbum9720"]

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="briguyb13"]$622 huh? How long until I need to upgrade from that, six months? :roll:Pro_wrestler

people who think its every 6 months are stupid.

I think they get it confused with computers advancing every 6 months which makes you wish you had that instead.

lol, so ture. I bought a 8800gtx 6 weeks ago, and i know come november/december i am going to want a 9800gtx. I just hope someone is generous over xmas time, and i can sell my 8800 for a good price :D

Yeah, thats why I'm going to wait until Quad-cores and GTXs are more mainstream before I completely build a new PC. That way I can just buy 2 GTXs, a Quad and forget about it for a few years.

yeh im going to get a new quad penryn when they come out to go with my p35 mobo. I'm not a fan of sli myself so i will probably just sell the 8800 and opt for the 9800 sometime next year.

but some of go to college(or about to go to college in my case) and need a laptop what do you suggest carry the PC you suggested to our classes and back? If you put that in laptop terms we are talking about at least $200-$300 more. Also some of cant build pcs on our own so we need to buy store brand items(adding probably at least $150 more to your pc)

so with that in mind your $622 now turns to $1000 to $1100 which is way too much. And yah sure if you add in live, a screen with vga cables, the extra game costs it will even out but at least with 360 route you dont have to come up with $1000 upfront you can take the hit over the course of three years which for me is a lot better.

[QUOTE="dracolich666"][QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"]

I completely agree with this thread. I built a comp that had a:

680i SLI ATX motherboard

8800 GTX

700W PSU

Thermaltake Armour full-tower case with built-in fans for overclocking

2GB Dual Channel RAM

C2D E6750

320GB HDD

Xi-Fi deluxe sound

For about $1,510. I use my 1080p HDTV as the screen. It blazes through damn near anything I throw at it @ 2500x1600, save Supreme Commander.

a_ratchet_fan

Nice rig but how can you play 2560x1600 on a 1080p TV?

It doesn't matter what resolution the screen itself is running at; it can output a higher resolution. It's just 1080p native.

Umm, that makes no sense, the screen can only display 1080 vertical lines, it can't all of a sudden display more because you want it too.

but some of go to college(or about to go to college in my case) and need a laptop what do you suggest carry the PC you suggested to our classes and back? If you put that in laptop terms we are talking about at least $200-$300 more. Also some of cant build pcs on our own so we need to buy store brand items(adding probably at least $150 more to your pc)

so with that in mind your $622 now turns to $1000 to $1100 which is way too much. And yah sure if you add in live, a screen with vga cables, the extra game costs it will even out but at least with 360 route you dont have to come up with $1000 upfront you can take the hit over the course of three years which for me is a lot better.

Tactis

do you take your ps3 and hdtv to college to do your work on???

not really a fair comparison that is it. :|

And you have a crappy power supply. There's no way I'd put a garbage supply in a gaming rig.

Bottom line is consoles are so much better in terms of cost, convenience, and games.