Gaming rigs do not cost $3000...

As soon as my video camera is charged and I install HL2 on my system I am so proving him wrong.

Oh and youtube converts whatever file format you throw at it.

And resolution and pixels are the same thing.

If the guy who mentioned FRAPS is still there, does it record in the Youtube format or does it not? What kind of conversion software would you need?a_ratchet_fan

yes its fine for youtube.

[QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"]If the guy who mentioned FRAPS is still there, does it record in the Youtube format or does it not? What kind of conversion software would you need?jt8b2z

yes its fine for youtube.

K then, I'm all set. I'll be doing a demonstration of CoD2 running at 1920x1080 on a 1680x1050 monitor. This is my old compie though, so it'll be running in DX7. Shouldn't make a difference, though, as it proves my point. I'll do the HDTV shortly after; I just want to see if FRAPS will work on my comp. BTW, the 1680x1050 screen is a 22" Viewsonic LCD.

[QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"]

Oh wow... I'm talking res. Jesus Christ... obviously you can't double the number of pixels...

Grive

And what is resolution, technically speaking?

(this is gonna be fun).

Its the same thing. :lol: Let him go this is fun.

What the 2560x1600-on-a-HDTV genius may be alluding to the ability for HDTV's to downscale to a resolution they can display at from higher resolutions. You normally upscale (turning a 480i PS2 picture into a 480p image on your TV), which means that each pixel originally becomes two pixels and is a bit muddified. Downscaling takes the original pixels and shrinks it to fit whatever your TV can display - in this case, most likely either 1080p or 720p.

In any case, you're rendering a lot more pixels than you can display, so depending on what kind of downscaling algorithm your TV uses, all you really have is an inefficient anti-aliasing process.

Given that GPU makers make their money off of efficient and good-looking AA, your horsepower is probably much better spent on cranking that up instead.

i want a magic monitor that manages to play games at a higher resolution than it can physically do, no fair.jt8b2z

Huh I just looked at the help and it says that you need a dual-core CPU to allow a game to run up to 2560x1600. Looks like I should just use my normal gaming comp... or should I run at half? It says that it'll be half the size of the on-screen res, so it should prove my point. unless y'all suck at math... ;)

K then, I'm all set. I'll be doing a demonstration of CoD2 running at 1920x1080 on a 1680x1050 monitor. This is my old compie though, so it'll be running in DX7. Shouldn't make a difference, though, as it proves my point. I'll do the HDTV shortly after; I just want to see if FRAPS will work on my comp. BTW, the 1680x1050 screen is a 22" Viewsonic LCD.a_ratchet_fan

Ok im done with you because we are getting no where. Resolutions ie 1680x1050 = 1.764 Million pixles. You cant have a higher res because that would require a monitor with more pixels, ie 1920x1200 or 2560x1600. 1920x1200 is over 2 Million pixles, and 2560 is over 4 Million. So its impossible for a monitor like mine or yours to run at a higher res. Now in games like Fear i can run 1600x1200, but itstretches the screen a bitso technically im not runing 1600x1200, but 1680x1050.

Huh I just looked at the help and it says that you need a dual-core CPU to allow a game to run up to 2560x1600. Looks like I should just use my normal gaming comp... or should I run at half? It says that it'll be half the size of the on-screen res, so it should prove my point. unless y'all suck at math... ;)a_ratchet_fan

Now your just trying to be funny. Good day sir.

[QUOTE="jt8b2z"]i want a magic monitor that manages to play games at a higher resolution than it can physically do, no fair.a_ratchet_fan

Huh I just looked at the help and it says that you need a dual-core CPU to allow a game to run up to 2560x1600. Looks like I should just use my normal gaming comp... or should I run at half? It says that it'll be half the size of the on-screen res, so it should prove my point. unless y'all suck at math... ;)

to be honest i don't care about your youtube video as i am going to bed in the next 5 mins, but there is no point to prove. You are wrong, your tv is physically incable of rendering at 2560x1600. Surely you have realised that by now seeing as there are countless other people who know you are wrong.

laws of physics >>> you

nite nite

A PC that is more powerful that a PS3 is still going to be more powerful 5 years down the road. There is no way around that fact. Your logic fails (suprise). My girls own PC was 5 years old before it couldn't play games. Even at low setting, it would still look better than a console if it is more powerful. Deal with it and move on, this isn't open for debate.l-_-l

So needlessly hostile.

Hardware is nothing without software.

Hardware-neutral software is slow (i.e., the programming language Java).

Hardware-specific software is fast (i.e., console-specific games).

Conclusion: performance means nothing unless you can use it, and you can't (fully) use it unless you (fully) know what it is in the first place. Have you ever done any software development before?

Goddamit... LOL, it won't accept it as the FRAPS vid was too large. :(a_ratchet_fan

Better yet take a screen shot in 2560x1600, on your 1680x1050 screen. :lol:

Goddamit... LOL, it won't accept it as the FRAPS vid was too large. :(a_ratchet_fan

Umm Youtube takes ridiculous videosizes, I doubt it was to large.

[QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"]Goddamit... LOL, it won't accept it as the FRAPS vid was too large. :(dlp21

Umm Youtube takes ridiculous videosizes, I doubt it was to large.

My limit is apparently 100MB. not that it matters though, since the joke is up anyways... didn't work out as I had hoped, though. And no, this isn't some shoddily-masked attempt at covering my ignorance up. I wondered who would catch that little blip (2560 on a 1920 screen) as most of the people on SW are computer-challenged anyways.

[QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"]Goddamit... LOL, it won't accept it as the FRAPS vid was too large. :(dracolich666

Better yet take a screen shot in 2560x1600, on your 1680x1050 screen. :lol:

:lol:

[QUOTE="dlp21"]

[QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"]Goddamit... LOL, it won't accept it as the FRAPS vid was too large. :(a_ratchet_fan

Umm Youtube takes ridiculous videosizes, I doubt it was to large.

My limit is apparently 100MB. not that it matters though, since the joke is up anyways... didn't work out as I had hoped, though. And no, this isn't some shoddily-masked attempt at covering my ignorance up. I wondered who would catch that little blip (2560 on a 1920 screen) as most of the people on SW are computer-challenged anyways.

:lol: this thread just gets even better, i don't even want to go to bed as im wondering what you will write next.

[QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"][QUOTE="dlp21"]

[QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"]Goddamit... LOL, it won't accept it as the FRAPS vid was too large. :(jt8b2z

Umm Youtube takes ridiculous videosizes, I doubt it was to large.

My limit is apparently 100MB. not that it matters though, since the joke is up anyways... didn't work out as I had hoped, though. And no, this isn't some shoddily-masked attempt at covering my ignorance up. I wondered who would catch that little blip (2560 on a 1920 screen) as most of the people on SW are computer-challenged anyways.

:lol: this thread just gets even better, i don't even want to go to bed as im wondering what you will write next.

Yep, and I'm just LMAOing along with you. I was hoping somebody would take the bait, though... :(

[QUOTE="jt8b2z"][QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"][QUOTE="dlp21"]

[QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"]Goddamit... LOL, it won't accept it as the FRAPS vid was too large. :(a_ratchet_fan

Umm Youtube takes ridiculous videosizes, I doubt it was to large.

My limit is apparently 100MB. not that it matters though, since the joke is up anyways... didn't work out as I had hoped, though. And no, this isn't some shoddily-masked attempt at covering my ignorance up. I wondered who would catch that little blip (2560 on a 1920 screen) as most of the people on SW are computer-challenged anyways.

:lol: this thread just gets even better, i don't even want to go to bed as im wondering what you will write next.

Yep, and I'm just LMAOing along with you. I was hoping somebody would take the bait, though... :(

lol, whatever dude

nite :)

[QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"][QUOTE="dlp21"]

[QUOTE="a_ratchet_fan"]Goddamit... LOL, it won't accept it as the FRAPS vid was too large. :(jt8b2z

Umm Youtube takes ridiculous videosizes, I doubt it was to large.

My limit is apparently 100MB. not that it matters though, since the joke is up anyways... didn't work out as I had hoped, though. And no, this isn't some shoddily-masked attempt at covering my ignorance up. I wondered who would catch that little blip (2560 on a 1920 screen) as most of the people on SW are computer-challenged anyways.

:lol: this thread just gets even better, i don't even want to go to bed as im wondering what you will write next.

If you want another BS thread I wrote (which had a few more bites than usual) you should go to this one. This one just proved that SW is fuller of idiots than damn-near any other site.

Thats a terrible processor, scratch that, its a terrible computer. I hate PS3 but I would trust a PS3 running all night over that would-be fire starter.

Thats a terrible processor, scratch that, its a terrible computer. I hate PS3 but I would trust a PS3 running all night over that would-be fire starter.

MrGrimFandango

Link me to where it says "If you have these PC parts, expect a fire" Hell..even if you did my point still stands...PCs don't cost any more than consoles do.

[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]

Thats a terrible processor, scratch that, its a terrible computer. I hate PS3 but I would trust a PS3 running all night over that would-be fire starter.

Pro_wrestler

Link me to where it says "If you have these PC parts, expect a fire" Hell..even if you did my point still stands...PCs don't cost any more than consoles do.

If you include a HDTV your right, if not your wrong.

Jesus Christ people, even ****ing Call of Duty 2 allows you to run the game @ 1920x1200 on a 1680x1050 22" monitor (I used to own one; I should know)!a_ratchet_fan

Im guessing your at least under 16 if you think you can do that. The max resolution a current hdtv can do is 1080p, you can't go above that. I know whats happening, your going through the game graphics menues and changing the resolution to w/e your game says thats higher than 1080p, your tv blinks and says the resolution asks if you want to keep those settings or w/e but the game is not playing in that res, you and the game think it is but the tv wont put it any higher than its maximum 1080p (1920x1080progressive scan)

Oh, I see. Well, if I had to put a 360 or PS3 or Wii together myself, we wouldn't have to count the labor. Or maybe I could buy one of those cheap PCs at retail.

Labor.... that makes a huge impact to cost.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]

Thats a terrible processor, scratch that, its a terrible computer. I hate PS3 but I would trust a PS3 running all night over that would-be fire starter.

dracolich666

Link me to where it says "If you have these PC parts, expect a fire" Hell..even if you did my point still stands...PCs don't cost any more than consoles do.

If you include a HDTV your right, if not your wrong.

hes wrong..I can buy a decent HDTV...for the same price as a decent monitor

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Unless you can prove that those parts will break in 6 months, 2 years or even 10 years..what your saying is pure speculation! According to top end PC's what I listed is obviously inferior but it more than works againts the claims laid againts PCs in general and that was the whole point of it.

Datheron

Uh - it's pretty common knowledge that greatly discounted pieces of hardware aren't discounted b/c they're quality - it's because the manufacturer skimped on the parts and the QA, and competes solely on the price. Even supposing that the components will continue to work 5 years down the line, anybody w/ $8 speakers and a $10 keyboard/mouse combo waste a perfectly good video card with crappy game input + audio output.

And I don't think it ever makes sense to compare PC's to consoles in terms of cost or functionality b/c they do such different things. Yes, you could build a PC that matches a console in price, but why would you ever when there's much more superior hardware which conform with modern standards and provide upgradeability? Your point is an obtuse one, if that.

To keep the performance above the consoles, not until a new console comes out, then you would have to upgrade, so about 5 or 6 years, not 6 months, you.......................FAIL!!!!!!!!

l-_-l

No, b/c consoles can be optimized as the generation matures whereas PC's have to be upgraded hardware-wise to get the same performance. Try to build a $120 PC which matches the specs of a PS2 and can run Gran Turismo 4 or God of War 2. 1.5-2 years is about right for minor hardware upgrades (by minor I mean a graphics card change, maybe more RAM or a new processor) if you want to keep everything running smoothly at your current resolution and AA/AF/detail settings.

I have no clue what your talking about 'discounted hardware.' What your trying to convey about "Cheap hardware fails" can only be said when talking about your experience with that product..you can't pass it off as facts because fact is that not everything that cost a nickle & a dime breaks. I have these crap $30 speakers in which I bought from Office Max 3 years ago and they still work fine...Theres no way your so jaded that your going to make a generalization that states "Anyone with a perfectly good graphics card can surely afford better speakers & KB/M" What in the hell do you know? Maybe they can, maybe they can't. Thats why a thing called preference exists..theres not a single fact that you can make to thwart it..and your statement of a "Perfectly good graphics card" is also opinion cause compared to a few people's GPU in this thread..its garbage.

How can you agree with my whole thread and then call my points moot?:lol:

Regarding your last paragraph..Once you buy a GPU thats more powerful than a console...it doesn't stop being more powerful than a console:lol: Its still going to be more powerful 20 years from now. That is such a ridiculous sig-worthy statement you've made.

Oh, I see. Well, if I had to put a 360 or PS3 or Wii together myself, we wouldn't have to count the labor. Or maybe I could buy one of those cheap PCs at retail.

Labor.... that makes a huge impact to cost.

VoodooHak

So your going to include the labor of unwrapping the games DVD case plastic? The labor of hooking up AV cables to your TV..

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]

Thats a terrible processor, scratch that, its a terrible computer. I hate PS3 but I would trust a PS3 running all night over that would-be fire starter.

dracolich666

Link me to where it says "If you have these PC parts, expect a fire" Hell..even if you did my point still stands...PCs don't cost any more than consoles do.

If you include a HDTV your right, if not your wrong.

?..what? In order to play a PS3 you'll need a HDTV, SDTV or Monitor...In order to use your PC you'll need an HDTV, SDTV or Monitor...How is that a vantage point when they both can be displayed from the exact same devices?

[QUOTE="dracolich666"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]

Thats a terrible processor, scratch that, its a terrible computer. I hate PS3 but I would trust a PS3 running all night over that would-be fire starter.

primetime2121

Link me to where it says "If you have these PC parts, expect a fire" Hell..even if you did my point still stands...PCs don't cost any more than consoles do.

If you include a HDTV your right, if not your wrong.

hes wrong..I can buy a decent HDTV...for the same price as a decent monitor

Where did I say you couldn't? I didn't mention anything about a monitor or HDTV because they both can be displayed from the same device.

What if I want to play Crysis at high settings? :|CB4McGusto

Then you spend $1,000, although with it you'll be able to play UT3, Spore, Starcraft, that total war game and a buttload of others. You can also play older games.

My PC cost me $1200. Specs are in sig. I can play Crysis.Wasdie

That's a kickass rig. I spent $2,000 on mine, lol. I did go extremely overboard on parts like the PSU and case, and even the mobo.

[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]But I don't know how to build a computer. :( I could buy all that stuff, but I doubt ducktaping and glueing every together will work. :(jt8b2z

;p;.to be honest its more like lego with about 5 blocks and some fibre optics (wires )

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Oh, I see. Well, if I had to put a 360 or PS3 or Wii together myself, we wouldn't have to count the labor. Or maybe I could buy one of those cheap PCs at retail.

Labor.... that makes a huge impact to cost.

Pro_wrestler

So your going to include the labor of unwrapping the games DVD case plastic? The labor of hooking up AV cables to your TV..

Are you kidding me?

Now you're just reaching.

A console can be purchased at retail, all put together. That's part of the cost.

The exact same can be said of a retail PC. You're not going to find a decent, retail gaming PC for less than a $1000.

The point here is to keep the comparison an apples-to-apples one. That means comparing retail package to complete retail package.

What if I want to play Crysis at high settings? :|CB4McGusto

Its probably going to only cost like 1200 dollars on neegg. though if you go to Dell or somehting then it just might be 3000 dollars.

hes wrong..I can buy a decent HDTV...for the same price as a decent monitor
primetime2121

for $300, thats how much my 22". So your wrong.

I have no clue what your talking about 'discounted hardware.' What your trying to convey about "Cheap hardware fails" can only be said when talking about your experience with that product..you can't pass it off as facts because fact is that not everything that cost a nickle & a dime breaks. I have these crap $30 speakers in which I bought from Office Max 3 years ago and they still work fine...Pro_wrestler

Yes, I have Pro_wrestler's personal guarantee that his discounted, cheap parts have an amazing 50% reliability rate and that his $30 cheapo speakers possess the same longevity and quality as my $240 Logitech Z-5500's. My god, why do manufacturers create such pointless, expensive quality items?!

Theres no way your so jaded that your going to make a generalization that states "Anyone with a perfectly good graphics card can surely afford better speakers & KB/M" What in the hell do you know? Maybe they can, maybe they can't. Thats why a thing called preference exists..theres not a single fact that you can make to thwart it..and your statement of a "Perfectly good graphics card" is also opinion cause compared to a few people's GPU in this thread..its garbage. Pro_wrestler

Yea, talk about jaded - a one generation-old 7950GT which runs all DX9.0c games perfectly well is "garbage"; it either speaks of utter failure of computer graphics in doing anything other than pumping more transistors and sucking up more power, or, it speaks of the astronomical costs of building a non-"garbage" rig for today's games.

I'm of the camp which puts user input + hardware output just as important, if not more so, than what lies under the hood. What's the point of having $2000 of rendering power if you're going to display it on a crappy 19" screen w/ $30 speakers and the only way to interact with it is via $10's worth of keyboard + mouse? In the TC's case, you can simply "downgrade" to an ATi 1950XT and you suddenly have another $45 in your budget to get yourself better perpherials! It's like I'm making money out of thin air, it's so magical.

How can you agree with my whole thread and then call my points moot?:lol:Pro_wrestler

Because while your point was factually correct, it's a stupid and trivial point to make.

Regarding your last paragraph..Once you buy a GPU thats more powerful than a console...it doesn't stop being more powerful than a console:lol: Its still going to be more powerful 20 years from now. That is such a ridiculous sig-worthy statement you've made.Pro_wrestler

I will copy and paste what I wrote previously:

Hardware is nothing without software.

Hardware-neutral software is slow (i.e., the programming language Java).

Hardware-specific software is fast (i.e., console-specific games).

Conclusion: performance means nothing unless you can use it, and you can't (fully) use it unless you (fully) know what it is in the first place. Have you ever done any software development before?

It is sad, sad commentary that today's kids only care about higher numbers and allegedly faster speeds without understanding what's actually happening under the hood.

[QUOTE="primetime2121"]hes wrong..I can buy a decent HDTV...for the same price as a decent monitor
dracolich666

for $300, thats how much my 22". So your wrong.

Max res for the ps3/360 is 1080p my pc did that at over 60fps in the 90's and where is this decent hdtv please give me a link ??

[QUOTE="dracolich666"]

[QUOTE="primetime2121"]hes wrong..I can buy a decent HDTV...for the same price as a decent monitor
BrooklynBomber

for $300, thats how much my 22". So your wrong.

Max res for the ps3/360 is 1080p my pc did that at over 60fps in the 90's and where is this decent hdtv please give me a link ??

My HDTV (30HF66 toshiba) was $600 so i hope your not talking to me. And they never had that res was non-existant in the 90s, let alone have a card that could run it. You mean 2048x1568 i know what you mean, but higher res gaming has really only started to pick up after the 9700pro. Unless you played ancient games in the lat 90s.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]I have no clue what your talking about 'discounted hardware.' What your trying to convey about "Cheap hardware fails" can only be said when talking about your experience with that product..you can't pass it off as facts because fact is that not everything that cost a nickle & a dime breaks. I have these crap $30 speakers in which I bought from Office Max 3 years ago and they still work fine...Datheron

Yes, I have Pro_wrestler's personal guarantee that his discounted, cheap parts have an amazing 50% reliability rate and that his $30 cheapo speakers possess the same longevity and quality as my $240 Logitech Z-5500's. My god, why do manufacturers create such pointless, expensive quality items?!

Theres no way your so jaded that your going to make a generalization that states "Anyone with a perfectly good graphics card can surely afford better speakers & KB/M" What in the hell do you know? Maybe they can, maybe they can't. Thats why a thing called preference exists..theres not a single fact that you can make to thwart it..and your statement of a "Perfectly good graphics card" is also opinion cause compared to a few people's GPU in this thread..its garbage. Pro_wrestler

Yea, talk about jaded - a one generation-old 7950GT which runs all DX9.0c games perfectly well is "garbage"; it either speaks of utter failure of computer graphics in doing anything other than pumping more transistors and sucking up more power, or, it speaks of the astronomical costs of building a non-"garbage" rig for today's games.

I'm of the camp which puts user input + hardware output just as important, if not more so, than what lies under the hood. What's the point of having $2000 of rendering power if you're going to display it on a crappy 19" screen w/ $30 speakers and the only way to interact with it is via $10's worth of keyboard + mouse? In the TC's case, you can simply "downgrade" to an ATi 1950XT and you suddenly have another $45 in your budget to get yourself better perpherials! It's like I'm making money out of thin air, it's so magical.

How can you agree with my whole thread and then call my points moot?:lol:Pro_wrestler

Because while your point was factually correct, it's a stupid and trivial point to make.

Regarding your last paragraph..Once you buy a GPU thats more powerful than a console...it doesn't stop being more powerful than a console:lol: Its still going to be more powerful 20 years from now. That is such a ridiculous sig-worthy statement you've made.Pro_wrestler

I will copy and paste what I wrote previously:

Hardware is nothing without software.

Hardware-neutral software is slow (i.e., the programming language Java).

Hardware-specific software is fast (i.e., console-specific games).

Conclusion: performance means nothing unless you can use it, and you can't (fully) use it unless you (fully) know what it is in the first place. Have you ever done any software development before?

It is sad, sad commentary that today's kids only care about higher numbers and allegedly faster speeds without understanding what's actually happening under the hood.

Dont argue samantics with me.. an 8800GTX will run 10 rings around 2 7950GT's. My point is not trivial when you have people that are denying it...:| Its not anymore stupid than the allegations made againts it durr..
Why would someone buy a $2000 GPU if their only going to play it on a 19" monitor? Maybe because they can only afford a 19" monitor after wasting $2000 on a GPU:|? Don't play the "I have X ammount of money so everyone else should have X ammount of money too" role here..you really look like a pompous snob.

If you don't get what I'm saying then dont revert to the "I don't agree so your wrong" attitude here..What I mean is that you take that $260 (The price of the 7950GT) and opt for a cheaper GPU(There are cheaper ones that match/surpass whats in consoles) saving yourself money or opting for a higher quality accessory..it wasn't TOO hard to figure out what I meant.

Once you buy a GPU thats more powerful than whats in a console..it will never be any less powerful than that console and your speaking as if drivers/performance utitiles will all of a sudden stop existing over the span of the consoles period that is in contrast to that video card..Obviously as games get more advance the performance will drop..but it wont drop any less than whats in consoles if it is originally more powerful than that console. Thats why PC games are scalable.
THE END!!!!!!!! Theres no way around this.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Oh, I see. Well, if I had to put a 360 or PS3 or Wii together myself, we wouldn't have to count the labor. Or maybe I could buy one of those cheap PCs at retail.

Labor.... that makes a huge impact to cost.

VoodooHak

So your going to include the labor of unwrapping the games DVD case plastic? The labor of hooking up AV cables to your TV..

Are you kidding me?

Now you're just reaching.

A console can be purchased at retail, all put together. That's part of the cost.

The exact same can be said of a retail PC. You're not going to find a decent, retail gaming PC for less than a $1000.

The point here is to keep the comparison an apples-to-apples one. That means comparing retail package to complete retail package.

That has nothing to do with my point in this thread and retail means you are buying a product from a seller.. Your reaching a helluva lot more than I am here. Your telling me to compare PCs a-2-a with consoles when consoles can't do half of what a PC can? You can't just make up phrases here.."Complete Retail":lol:Wtf? A PS3 must be incomplete because it doesn't come with an HDMI cable. X360, PS3, DS, Wii, PS2, Xbox, Gamecube are all imcomplete because they don't come CD burners:| Congrats..you don't even have to bend over and touch your feet anymore because that was the biggest reach in American System wars history.