Gaming rigs do not cost $3000...

The one I want does.-Ninja_Dog-

We all want a Ferrari Enzo but we damn sure aren't going to pay for one, especially since there are cheaper alternatives that you can modifie to reach or surpass the performance of that Enzo.

Dont argue samantics with me.. an 8800GTX will run 10 rings around 2 7950GT's.Pro_wrestler

Actually, I'll do a bit of research for you here. In short, 8800GTX scores a 8922, 7950GT's in SLI score 7040 in 3DMark. So yes, the GTX is faster, but hardly "10 rings around".

My point is not trivial when you have people that are denying it...:| Its not anymore stupid than the allegations made againts it durr..Pro_wrestler

I'm not defending anybody else on this thread other than myself. I'll say that people who don't accept the fact that a $600 PC nowadays can outperform a console of the same price are probably more ignorant than yourself.

Why would someone buy a $2000 GPU if their only going to play it on a 19" monitor? Maybe because they can only afford a 19" monitor after wasting $2000 on a GPU:|? Don't play the "I have X ammount of money so everyone else should have X ammount of money too" role here..you really look like a pompous snob.Pro_wrestler

Um...it's not about how much money you spend, it's what you should be spending on each component which matters. Distributing your money evenly across all parts of your computer makes a whole lot more sense than splurging on one part only to find out you're too poor for anything else. Gaming is supposed to be an experience.

If you don't get what I'm saying then dont revert to the "I don't agree so your wrong" attitude here..What I mean is that you take that $260 (The price of the 7950GT) and opt for a cheaper GPU(There are cheaper ones that match/surpass whats in consoles) saving yourself money or opting for a higher quality accessory..it wasn't TOO hard to figure out what I meant.Pro_wrestler

Hey, so you do get it!

Once you buy a GPU thats more powerful than whats in a console..it will never be any less powerful than that console and your speaking as if drivers/performance utitiles will all of a sudden stop existing over the span of the consoles period that is in contrast to that video card..Obviously as games get more advance the performance will drop..but it wont drop any less than whats in consoles if it is originally more powerful than that console. Thats why PC games are scalable.
THE END!!!!!!!! Theres no way around this.Pro_wrestler

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? How in hell does scalability come into play here at all?

My point is simple, and I've repeated it many times: "performance" requires much more than looking at how fast and how hot a piece of hardware is running.

To get good resolutions + frame rates + effects you need to work closely with hardware, but PC developers cannot do that since the hardware keeps on changing, it's not cost effective to stick with any one piece. Furthermore, companies stop caring about a GPU maybe a year, a year and a half after its release - usually by then there will be two generations or revisions and they're promoting the next big thing.

And to prove me wrong, all you'd have to do is show me this holds for sufficiently old pieces of hardware; say, a graphics card which costs as much as a PS2's GPU (at this point, maybe $30?), and show me that it can run games as well as a PS2 can in its final years - GT4, God of War 2, Final Fantasy XII - and that's not even looking at hardware that was available at the beginning of the PS2's life. Go on, prove me wrong.

LOL, this was soo worth it... I've always wanted to get into someone's siga_ratchet_fan

Nice try !

LOL

What if you don't want to buy a cheap ECS mobo that will die on you in 6 months?chulomex3

cheap motherboards don't die, they just lack features and there is no pc motherboard that has less than a 1 year warrenty and most have 3 years as well as the cheapest sempron and celeron having 3 year warrenty and even many graphics cards, even factory overclocked ones.

[QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="jt8b2z"]

I am a big pc gamer but a 7950gt and a pentium dual core D will not play crysis on high at a high resolution. Put a e6750 an a 8800gts 320mb and you have a rig that will outperform any console.

jt8b2z

In DX9 the devs were only using a 7800GTX and a superclocked single core proccessor to run it at max.

As a pc gamer, as much as i would love this to be the case, i don't think it will run maxed at a decent res on a 7800gtx in dx9. That is my opinion after haveing lost of experience with pc hardware, and i could be proved utterly wrong, but i just seriously doubt it.

[QUOTE="jt8b2z"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="jt8b2z"]

I am a big pc gamer but a 7950gt and a pentium dual core D will not play crysis on high at a high resolution. Put a e6750 an a 8800gts 320mb and you have a rig that will outperform any console.

Pro_wrestler

It will at a level unreachable by consoles :) and a 7950GT is better than both the PS3 and X360s GPU performance-wise

maybe.

but i am just saying a pentium dual core D is rubbish and a waste of money, and the 8800gts 320mb is cheap as chips and fair more powerful than any console.

Also with a 8800 you get dx10 features too.

Well compared to othe processors its last-gen but for the money its pretty good.

there are some pc geeks that say you need the latest to run high which isn't the case, there isn't even a game that can maxout my year old cpu 50-75% is about the most. It's so stupied how some say get a new cpu over gpu when they have say a p4 3.4ghz or a64 3500+ and a gf6600gt-x850xt which is the biggest bottleneck

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="jt8b2z"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="jt8b2z"]

I am a big pc gamer but a 7950gt and a pentium dual core D will not play crysis on high at a high resolution. Put a e6750 an a 8800gts 320mb and you have a rig that will outperform any console.

jt8b2z

It will at a level unreachable by consoles :) and a 7950GT is better than both the PS3 and X360s GPU performance-wise

maybe.

but i am just saying a pentium dual core D is rubbish and a waste of money, and the 8800gts 320mb is cheap as chips and fair more powerful than any console.

Also with a 8800 you get dx10 features too.

Well compared to othe processors its last-gen but for the money its pretty good.

maybe, but if your seriously going to buy a pc a core 2 duo is the only way for the moment

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115014

just get something like that and overclock the hell out of it.

wake me when there is a game that can max out my cpu, there is none right now.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"] Well your set for years to come! All I really see you upgrading in 3 years is your GPU and all you would really have to do is buy another 2900 if your Mobo supports crossfire.dracolich666

Im set for 2-years, if i just upgrade my videocard to a R780 or whatever the refesh of the next ati core will be. Yes my motherboard supports crossfire. :D

so you have a r600 and you're getting the next ati card? you don't need to upgrade that often to run games fine unless you need all the eyecandy

First off, I have to laugh a little bit at the Hermits going back-and-forth about components, cost, specs, etc. These are the big reasons why I dumped PC gaming back in 2001 - I just got sick of all of it. Trying to keep up with the latest hardware and having a rig that could run the latest games.

That being said - I know I'm going to contradict myself here - what would be a decent machine to run Gears of War PC on? I'm assuming that it won't need to be up there with the machine that would run Crysis, but just a good rig that could run Gears on med-high settings?

Thnks.

Using the logic of the Hermits, I don't need to spend any money on my PC to play Crysis. I can just turn of AA, turn down the draw distance, textures and frame rate to practically nothing, turn off all lighting, particle and water effects, etc. LOOK AT THAT! For $0 I can play Crysis. You don't need to spend $3000! It's all a hoax.

Sorry, but I don't buy the BS. This is why I barely ever game on my PC and much prefer consoles. When I buy a console game, not only do I know it's going to work on my machine, but I know I am going to be able to play the game the way the developer intended. I'm not going to have to crap on the developers vision to get the game to run, just so I can say I played a game that impresses people. Because that's all that matters really...telling people you played Crysis. They'll just automatically have a mental flash to all the sweet pics and vids they saw online and you won't have to tell them the game you played was absolutely nothin even close to that.

Sorry hermits. If I have to dumb down a game to get it to run, then I'm not playing the game the way it was meant to be played, or the way the developers inteded it to be played. The only thing I count is what is the price of a PC that will run Crysis in full settings.

p.s. I also find it extremely ironic and fanboyish that lemmings always want to talk about the superiority of PCs using Crysis graphics, but they also want people to think PCs are cheap. Can't have it both ways. Can't brag about Crysis graphics than turn around and say that you don't care about the mac settings...which is what the pictures probably are.

p.s. I also find it extremely ironic and fanboyish that lemmings always want to talk about the superiority of PCs using Crysis graphics, but they also want people to think PCs are cheap. Can't have it both ways. Can't brag about Crysis graphics than turn around and say that you don't care about the mac settings...which is what the pictures probably are.

ZIMdoom

I think you meant Hermits. I agree with your post. You can have a PC rig that plays the game OR you can have a PC rig that plays the game at the level the developers intended. HUGE difference. With the 360, I know that my game is running at the same level as everyone else's and that we are all on an even playing field (well, except when it comes to the Host Advantage in Gears of War :) ).

Using the logic of the Hermits, I don't need to spend any money on my PC to play Crysis. I can just turn of AA, turn down the draw distance, textures and frame rate to practically nothing, turn off all lighting, particle and water effects, etc. LOOK AT THAT! For $0 I can play Crysis. You don't need to spend $3000! It's all a hoax.

Sorry, but I don't buy the BS. This is why I barely ever game on my PC and much prefer consoles. When I buy a console game, not only do I know it's going to work on my machine, but I know I am going to be able to play the game the way the developer intended. I'm not going to have to crap on the developers vision to get the game to run, just so I can say I played a game that impresses people. Because that's all that matters really...telling people you played Crysis. They'll just automatically have a mental flash to all the sweet pics and vids they saw online and you won't have to tell them the game you played was absolutely nothin even close to that.

Sorry hermits. If I have to dumb down a game to get it to run, then I'm not playing the game the way it was meant to be played, or the way the developers inteded it to be played. The only thing I count is what is the price of a PC that will run Crysis in full settings.

p.s. I also find it extremely ironic and fanboyish that lemmings always want to talk about the superiority of PCs using Crysis graphics, but they also want people to think PCs are cheap. Can't have it both ways. Can't brag about Crysis graphics than turn around and say that you don't care about the mac settings...which is what the pictures probably are.

ZIMdoom

All I have to say the stuff that you have looked up, and posted has to be the cheapest crap I ever seen. You know when you build a pc its not always about the price you know. Has it ever crossed your mind about quality? Because man that is some pretty bad stuff you have posted. Have you ever heard of the term "You get what you paid for"?.

[QUOTE="jt8b2z"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="jt8b2z"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="jt8b2z"]

I am a big pc gamer but a 7950gt and a pentium dual core D will not play crysis on high at a high resolution. Put a e6750 an a 8800gts 320mb and you have a rig that will outperform any console.

imprezawrx500

It will at a level unreachable by consoles :) and a 7950GT is better than both the PS3 and X360s GPU performance-wise

maybe.

but i am just saying a pentium dual core D is rubbish and a waste of money, and the 8800gts 320mb is cheap as chips and fair more powerful than any console.

Also with a 8800 you get dx10 features too.

Well compared to othe processors its last-gen but for the money its pretty good.

maybe, but if your seriously going to buy a pc a core 2 duo is the only way for the moment

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115014

just get something like that and overclock the hell out of it.

wake me when there is a game that can max out my cpu, there is none right now.

supreme commander :|

I also find it extremely ironic and fanboyish that lemmings always want to talk about the superiority of PCs using Crysis graphics, but they also want people to think PCs are cheap. Can't have it both ways. Can't brag about Crysis graphics than turn around and say that you don't care about the mac settings...which is what the pictures probably are.ZIMdoom

Oh, and I still prefer consoles over PC gaming (at least until maybe SCII). :) Sorry hermits, I'd like to believe your theory, but after a personal experience, I have a hard time following your economic claims.

Oh, and I still prefer consoles over PC gaming (at least until maybe SCII). :) Sorry hermits, I'd like to believe your theory, but after a personal experience, I have a hard time following your economic claims.Blue-Sphere

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"] I also find it extremely ironic and fanboyish that lemmings always want to talk about the superiority of PCs using Crysis graphics, but they also want people to think PCs are cheap. Can't have it both ways. Can't brag about Crysis graphics than turn around and say that you don't care about the mac settings...which is what the pictures probably are.Blue-Sphere

Oh, and I still prefer consoles over PC gaming (at least until maybe SCII). :) Sorry hermits, I'd like to believe your theory, but after a personal experience, I have a hard time following your economic claims.

First of all, that was a typo. I meant to put hermits. Second, I don't always accuse lemmings of everything. Third, you are correct, the cows are always hiding behind the PC to attack 360 titles...something I disagree with.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

Using the logic of the Hermits, I don't need to spend any money on my PC to play Crysis. I can just turn of AA, turn down the draw distance, textures and frame rate to practically nothing, turn off all lighting, particle and water effects, etc. LOOK AT THAT! For $0 I can play Crysis. You don't need to spend $3000! It's all a hoax.

Sorry, but I don't buy the BS. This is why I barely ever game on my PC and much prefer consoles. When I buy a console game, not only do I know it's going to work on my machine, but I know I am going to be able to play the game the way the developer intended. I'm not going to have to crap on the developers vision to get the game to run, just so I can say I played a game that impresses people. Because that's all that matters really...telling people you played Crysis. They'll just automatically have a mental flash to all the sweet pics and vids they saw online and you won't have to tell them the game you played was absolutely nothin even close to that.

Sorry hermits. If I have to dumb down a game to get it to run, then I'm not playing the game the way it was meant to be played, or the way the developers inteded it to be played. The only thing I count is what is the price of a PC that will run Crysis in full settings.

p.s. I also find it extremely ironic and fanboyish that lemmings always want to talk about the superiority of PCs using Crysis graphics, but they also want people to think PCs are cheap. Can't have it both ways. Can't brag about Crysis graphics than turn around and say that you don't care about the mac settings...which is what the pictures probably are.

Vandalvideo

I have my doubts about that. Especially since we don't know the full graphical potential yet of the 360 and PS3.

have my doubts about that. Especially since we don't know the full graphical potential yet of the 360 and PS3.ZIMdoom

[QUOTE="Blue-Sphere"]Oh, and I still prefer consoles over PC gaming (at least until maybe SCII). :) Sorry hermits, I'd like to believe your theory, but after a personal experience, I have a hard time following your economic claims.Vandalvideo

I like how people claim to have had bad PC experiences. What you couldnt get it to turn on??? Thats how stupid some of you people are. Your problem isnt the PC but yourself not knowing anything about anything. Oh but i have to do updates. Yeah mine does that when im not home. Oh man i cant run games at the highest settings. Its called get a job. OH but i have to load disks. Yeah once so it runs smoother. By the way mark rein is retarded.

I don't see what the problem is regardless of the price. PC Gaming is and always will be a better experience for many people, so even if the initial cost is higher, you're getting a PC along with the ability to play games, which will always trump a console unit with one single purpose. This is even more true when a person works for a living(most gamers above 21), which price becomes a mute point. A gaming rig is a nice toy that's more appealing than any console, especially when you assemble it yourself and customize the heck out of it to your heart's content, something completely missing from the console experience. The beauty of PC Gaming is the ability to pick and choose your budget and products in a wide open arena.

Most people that are exposed to PC Gaming at a young age eventually become PC Gamers, just ask them, and they understand exactly what I'm saying. It's the people who've never experienced PC Gaming that are quick to jump all over it. Unfortunately, most people aren't even aware that they can play some amazing games on PC.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Blue-Sphere"]Oh, and I still prefer consoles over PC gaming (at least until maybe SCII). :) Sorry hermits, I'd like to believe your theory, but after a personal experience, I have a hard time following your economic claims.Blue-Sphere

What did you have an integrated graphics card and upgraded to a 7300LE. HAHAHAHAHAH.

I don't mind building it, as I know the cost of a built PC is MUCH cheaper than one that has already been manufactured for retail. The thing is however that most customers just want to buy a PC as it is, and than at that point they end up spending close to 3k just for the blastedbrandname(alienware etc.,) as opposed to building one of the same specs the 3k"alienware" pc consist of.

Oh well....

I like my rig...............

Even if im 939 socket and need a new VGA.

And it cost me jack lol :P

[QUOTE="Blue-Sphere"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Blue-Sphere"]Oh, and I still prefer consoles over PC gaming (at least until maybe SCII). :) Sorry hermits, I'd like to believe your theory, but after a personal experience, I have a hard time following your economic claims.Killfox

What did you have an integrated graphics card and upgraded to a 7300LE. HAHAHAHAHAH.

This is what grinds with PC hardware and console gamers. Many simply do not understand anything about computer hardware and assume, and guess.

PC's are expensive dont get this poor rig confuse people this isnt the best you can get and when I buy a PC I go allout and I dont buy another one for about 4-5 years.

Here's the specs:

- Intel Core 2 Quadro Extreme QX6850 3.00GHz processor
- Asus Striker Extreme 680 nForce SLi (Socket LGA775) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
- Corsair 2GB PC2-8500 1066MHz (2x1GB) CAS5 Dual Channel Kit
- 2 x Western Digital RaptorX 150GB 16MB cache SATA Hard Drives configured in RAID 0
- 2 x GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB GDDR3 AVIVO HDTV/Dual DVI (SLI Configured)
- Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty Professional Sound Card
- Enermax Galaxy 1000W Next Generation ATX PSU

PC gaming FTW!

Datheron:
You just proved my point and apparently your sarcasm detector is broken..

Actually, I can confirm that this card by itself is faster than two 512MB EVGA 7950GT's in SLI mode, and by a decent margin, too... At least per 3DMark06 benchmarking. On an otherwise identical rig (and with all video cards at stock settings and 3DMark running its standard suite of tests at 1920x1200 resolution), the single 8800GTX scored 8922 and the 2x7950GT-SLI scored 7040 (the CPU component of the 3DMark06 score in both runs was almost exactly 2900 FYI).Your link

Lastly..so I guess with your reasoning a GTX will be less powerful than Xenos in a year?

"Furthermore, companies stop caring about a GPU maybe a year, a year and a half after its release"
Scaling means that your game can run on older GPUs..Crysis requires a DX10 GPU to be fully maxed out..but can be played on a GPU that is 3 years old.
http://www.crysis-online.com/Information/System%20Requirements/

Don't get the Pentium D, it's a flop compared to the 4000 series amd has to offer, it's better to spend a hundred bucks more on a Intel Core 2 Duo

well, atleast its a good price

great job forgetting the monitor.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Oh, I see. Well, if I had to put a 360 or PS3 or Wii together myself, we wouldn't have to count the labor. Or maybe I could buy one of those cheap PCs at retail.

Labor.... that makes a huge impact to cost.

Pro_wrestler

So your going to include the labor of unwrapping the games DVD case plastic? The labor of hooking up AV cables to your TV..

Are you kidding me?

Now you're just reaching.

A console can be purchased at retail, all put together. That's part of the cost.

The exact same can be said of a retail PC. You're not going to find a decent, retail gaming PC for less than a $1000.

The point here is to keep the comparison an apples-to-apples one. That means comparing retail package to complete retail package.

That has nothing to do with my point in this thread and retail means you are buying a product from a seller.. Your reaching a helluva lot more than I am here. Your telling me to compare PCs a-2-a with consoles when consoles can't do half of what a PC can? You can't just make up phrases here.."Complete Retail":lol:Wtf? A PS3 must be incomplete because it doesn't come with an HDMI cable. X360, PS3, DS, Wii, PS2, Xbox, Gamecube are all imcomplete because they don't come CD burners:| Congrats..you don't even have to bend over and touch your feet anymore because that was the biggest reach in American System wars history.

Now you're trying to equate console's optional peripherals to required PC components? Puh lease.

The apples-to-apples comparison is how each system is bought.

For a console, it's already put together and ready to plug into a TV.

For a PC, all your component are ready to plug into a monitor, right? Absolutely not. Putting it together yourself removes a chunk of the cost.

So no... it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. The only true a-2-a comparison is if both are purchased at retail.

great job forgetting the monitor.

Pdiddy105

You don't need a monitor to game on your PC..just like you don't need an HDTV for gaming with your Xbox/PS3 but I didn't expect Pdiddy to know that sort of thing.

fact is you'll have to waste over $2000 to play a game like crysis maxed at a high resolution.Pdiddy105

why is it a waste :|.

i need apowerful cpu and lots of ram to run music production software with high quality orchestral samples for my degree. The only price for games in my caseis the graphics card. my 8800gtx= £300 ( remember a pc gpu will be able to do far more than just run games aswell)

I'm sure there are millions of people that need a fairly high performance cpu and ram for their needs aswell.

Not a waste of money at all.

In fact for me, a ps3 would be the bigger waste of money seen as i spend £425 on it to do something my pc allready does, but miles better.

Not too mention ps3 games being £15 more than pc games. That equates to quite a saving over the course of a whole generation.

fact is you'll have to waste over $2000 to play a game like crysis maxed at a high resolution.Pdiddy105

High resoultions aren't a requirement. Just like how 1080p/720p is not a requirement for your consoles.

High resolution monitors don't cost $2000 either: a 1200p monitor for $430

No, they dont..They are over $17,000 ICON Exotix - Flames Mag-Lev Mach V Chassis fan replacement. ICON Window and Case Lighting - Blue Silverstone 1000Watt Strider - Modular EVGA nVidia nForce 680I - SLI Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme QX6850 3.0GHz Icon Watercooling Kit 4GB Corsair Dominator 8500C5 2x nVidia GeForce 8800Ultra 768MB Creative Labs X-Fi Fatal1ity Raid 0+1 - Requires 4 Identical Drives Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 LG GGWH10NI BlueRay Burner/HD DVD Reader LG GGWH10NI BlueRay Burner/HD DVD Reader Mitsumi Flash Media & Floppy Drive Windows Vista Ultimate - 32 Bit MS Office 2007 Professional Microsoft Natural Ergo Kybd 4000 Logitech G7 Cordless Laser Mouse Samsung 30" - 2560x1600 Samsung 30" - 2560x1600 Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Monster Power 800HP Falcon Northwest T-Shirt (LG) Known issues with this configuration: None System Price: $17,780.74 You do get a free T-Shirt though; X-large is $10 extra though ;)Heil68

I spent $1,400 on mine 1.5 years ago and it still runs games beautifully.NerdMan

I spent $399 on my 360 1.5 years ago and it still runs great games beautifully....

jk. :)

No, they dont..They are over $17,000 ICON Exotix - Flames Mag-Lev Mach V Chassis fan replacement. ICON Window and Case Lighting - Blue Silverstone 1000Watt Strider - Modular EVGA nVidia nForce 680I - SLI Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme QX6850 3.0GHz Icon Watercooling Kit 4GB Corsair Dominator 8500C5 2x nVidia GeForce 8800Ultra 768MB Creative Labs X-Fi Fatal1ity Raid 0+1 - Requires 4 Identical Drives Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 LG GGWH10NI BlueRay Burner/HD DVD Reader LG GGWH10NI BlueRay Burner/HD DVD Reader Mitsumi Flash Media & Floppy Drive Windows Vista Ultimate - 32 Bit MS Office 2007 Professional Microsoft Natural Ergo Kybd 4000 Logitech G7 Cordless Laser Mouse Samsung 30" - 2560x1600 Samsung 30" - 2560x1600 Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Monster Power 800HP Falcon Northwest T-Shirt (LG) Known issues with this configuration: None System Price: $17,780.74 You do get a free T-Shirt though; X-large is $10 extra though ;)Heil68

There is a known issue there...SLI does not support dual monitors.

A good rigs cost around 2000$ with everything, not only the Tower, I mean with a good gaming LCD, a good set of speakers and a good mouse and keyboard.

Mine is worthing above 2000$ easily, but you need a good graphic card if you wanna play with LCD's due to the native resolution restriction. LCD are bad to render any resolution that isn't their native one.

A good rigs cost around 2000$ with everything, not only the Tower, I mean with a good gaming LCD, a good set of speakers and a good mouse and keyboard.

Mine is worthing above 2000$ easily, but you need a good graphic card if you wanna play with LCD's due to the native resolution restriction. LCD are bad to render any resolution that isn't their native one.

Redgarl

I don't see what the problem is regardless of the price. PC Gaming is and always will be a better experience for many people, so even if the initial cost is higher, you're getting a PC along with the ability to play games, which will always trump a console unit with one single purpose. This is even more true when a person works for a living(most gamers above 21), which price becomes a mute point. A gaming rig is a nice toy that's more appealing than any console, especially when you assemble it yourself and customize the heck out of it to your heart's content, something completely missing from the console experience. The beauty of PC Gaming is the ability to pick and choose your budget and products in a wide open arena.

Most people that are exposed to PC Gaming at a young age eventually become PC Gamers, just ask them, and they understand exactly what I'm saying. It's the people who've never experienced PC Gaming that are quick to jump all over it. Unfortunately, most people aren't even aware that they can play some amazing games on PC.

mismajor99

Agreed - price isn't the issue. The issue is that in order to become a PC gamer, you need to also become a PC enthusiast and "people who work", who have the money to spend on hardware, sometimes don't want to spend that effort getting things set up and troubleshooting their rigs when they get a bad update or need new drivers.

No, they dont..They are over $17,000 ICON Exotix - Flames Mag-Lev Mach V Chassis fan replacement. ICON Window and Case Lighting - Blue Silverstone 1000Watt Strider - Modular EVGA nVidia nForce 680I - SLI Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme QX6850 3.0GHz Icon Watercooling Kit 4GB Corsair Dominator 8500C5 2x nVidia GeForce 8800Ultra 768MB Creative Labs X-Fi Fatal1ity Raid 0+1 - Requires 4 Identical Drives Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 LG GGWH10NI BlueRay Burner/HD DVD Reader LG GGWH10NI BlueRay Burner/HD DVD Reader Mitsumi Flash Media & Floppy Drive Windows Vista Ultimate - 32 Bit MS Office 2007 Professional Microsoft Natural Ergo Kybd 4000 Logitech G7 Cordless Laser Mouse Samsung 30" - 2560x1600 Samsung 30" - 2560x1600 Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Monster Power 800HP Falcon Northwest T-Shirt (LG) Known issues with this configuration: None System Price: $17,780.74 You do get a free T-Shirt though; X-large is $10 extra though ;)Heil68

ROFL, you can't utilise more then 4GB in any OS under 32BIT. GG you fail, GTFO this site, immedietly.

[QUOTE="Heil68"]No, they dont..They are over $17,000 ICON Exotix - Flames Mag-Lev Mach V Chassis fan replacement. ICON Window and Case Lighting - Blue Silverstone 1000Watt Strider - Modular EVGA nVidia nForce 680I - SLI Intel Core 2 Quad Extreme QX6850 3.0GHz Icon Watercooling Kit 4GB Corsair Dominator 8500C5 2x nVidia GeForce 8800Ultra 768MB Creative Labs X-Fi Fatal1ity Raid 0+1 - Requires 4 Identical Drives Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 Hitachi 1TB 32MB Cache SATA 2 LG GGWH10NI BlueRay Burner/HD DVD Reader LG GGWH10NI BlueRay Burner/HD DVD Reader Mitsumi Flash Media & Floppy Drive Windows Vista Ultimate - 32 Bit MS Office 2007 Professional Microsoft Natural Ergo Kybd 4000 Logitech G7 Cordless Laser Mouse Samsung 30" - 2560x1600 Samsung 30" - 2560x1600 Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Monster Power 800HP Falcon Northwest T-Shirt (LG) Known issues with this configuration: None System Price: $17,780.74 You do get a free T-Shirt though; X-large is $10 extra though ;)Pro_wrestler

QX6850 is clocked at 3.0GHz. Also, corsair Dominators are corsairs "extreme" line, and are supurior to XMS2.

You just proved my point and apparently your sarcasm detector is broken..

Did I not say that a single GTX is greater than 2 of the most powerful GPU's of lastgen.Pro_wrestler

Apparently you lack reading comprehension. And I quoth myself:

So yes, the GTX is faster, but hardly "10 rings around".

Is it possible for me to agree with you on a point and yet shockingly disagree on others? Find out on the next installment of "When Pro_wrestler Responds".

If its not about how much money you spend then what is it about? You can't pull money out of your ass just because you think your KB/M should be on par with your GPU quality-wise. Whos to say what I SHOULD be spending it on when you make decision based on how much money you have and then what works best/your preference all within the confines of your budget...Which is why I said allocate the price of your $260 GPU(The money that you spent on the 7950) and opt for a 'higher quality' something else.Pro_wrestler

So it all goes back to personal preference and opinion. Fine - go ahead and sit there with your $260 GPU and a $10 keyboard/mouse combo, enjoying the beautifully rendered levels as you scroll around them, dead after getting fragged over and over again when your mouse isn't sensitive enough to hit a barn wall a mile away. Hey, your choice, I just think it's stupid.

My point is that a $600 rig will outperform a console..I proved that it will and this is what you had to say about that. "I'll say that people who don't accept the fact that a $600 PC nowadays can outperform a console of the same price are probably more ignorant than yourself." I'm confused, you are agreeing with me but your calling me ignorant for ultimately feel the same way you do?Pro_wrestler

I'll make this real simple: I agree that you can currently build a $600 PC which matches if not exceeds the power of a console. In reality, if you build such a PC you're going to be using outdated standards which will no longer be supported and therefore you will have to spend another $600 2-3 years later to keep up with games then. Therefore, no one is dumb enough to buy outdated hardware, so realistically no one (intelligent) is building that $600 PC for gaming.

Furthermore, companies stop caring about a GPU maybe a year, a year and a half after its release"
Scaling means that your game can run on older GPUs..Crysis requires a DX10 GPU to be fully maxed out..but can be played on a GPU that is 3 years old.
http://www.crysis-online.com/Information/System%20Requirements/Pro_wrestler

Playable in the very bare sense that it's runnable on a system, not that it's going to look very nice or have any of its interesting features enabled - you're looking at 640x480, no AA/AF, low detail textures and models, no shadows - pretty much no-frills and almost a PS2/XBox 1 experience. Compare that with a PS2 game today which runs on a GPU 8 years old.