Giant Bomb says PC gaming is dying

Wow Pc gamings death is sure taking its sweet time.wood_duck

It's showing some odd symptoms as it goes down too.

I always thought things made LESS and LESS money as they became financially unviable.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

[QUOTE="falconclan"]As an avid PC gamer and lover pc gamer is slowly dying, not to say it can't be revived, but Piracy is making it near unprofitable. It ain't right, as PC has the best games IMO, especially in the RTS and FPS category. insanejedi

I would believe you if you provide proof.

Crytek is switching to consoles? Proof enough?

If they weren't making much money on the PC they would have switch completly to consoles, but they are just switching to multiplatform so they could generate more income.

PC Gaming has been 'dieing' since '98.

And Jeff is a terrible, terrible reviewer. :|

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

[QUOTE="falconclan"]As an avid PC gamer and lover pc gamer is slowly dying, not to say it can't be revived, but Piracy is making it near unprofitable. It ain't right, as PC has the best games IMO, especially in the RTS and FPS category. insanejedi

I would believe you if you provide proof.

Crytek is switching to consoles? Proof enough?

Kudos.

Not only did you use an anecdote to try and portray a global trend, you chose an anecdote which doesn't support your argument.

Crysis: Warhead is a PC exclusive. And Crytek never suggested they were shifting to consoles, they implied their new IPs might not be PC exclusive.

[QUOTE="badgert"][QUOTE="PC_John"][QUOTE="CherryShooter"]

[QUOTE="PC_John"]Haven't heard this BS before:roll:.CherryShooter

you noob should change your name to console_john, better witn PC games dead and all.

Wow, just calm down...

Seriously chill with that. Why is everyone so determined to say PC games are "dead" if you hate them don't buy them but I'm content with Crysis, WiC etc :D

Im content with stealing your exclusives, while you get our console ports. crysis? Halo 3 is better universally it's rated higher, GTA4 is rater higher then ANY PC game, Halo Wars.

you dont know the meaning of content unless you get a console.

[QUOTE="insanejedi"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

[QUOTE="falconclan"]As an avid PC gamer and lover pc gamer is slowly dying, not to say it can't be revived, but Piracy is making it near unprofitable. It ain't right, as PC has the best games IMO, especially in the RTS and FPS category. skrat_01

I would believe you if you provide proof.

Crytek is switching to consoles? Proof enough?

They have console IPs in development and said that when they announced Crysis.

Crysis Warhead is a new pc exclusive from Crytek.

Crytek =/= the pc gaming industry anyway.

So in many instances no your example isnt even correct, let alone proof at all.

1. Sins of a Solar Empire achieved million-seller status despite being a first game, an RTS (considered a niche genre), little publicity...and having no copy protection whatsoever.

2. Capcom must be having an interest in the PC with releases of DMC4 and Lost Planet to PC (and Street Fighter 4 pending). Not only that, they've signed up to distribute games via Steam.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="insanejedi"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

[QUOTE="falconclan"]As an avid PC gamer and lover pc gamer is slowly dying, not to say it can't be revived, but Piracy is making it near unprofitable. It ain't right, as PC has the best games IMO, especially in the RTS and FPS category. HuusAsking

I would believe you if you provide proof.

Crytek is switching to consoles? Proof enough?

They have console IPs in development and said that when they announced Crysis.

Crysis Warhead is a new pc exclusive from Crytek.

Crytek =/= the pc gaming industry anyway.

So in many instances no your example isnt even correct, let alone proof at all.

1. Sins of a Solar Empire achieved million-seller status despite being a first game, an RTS (considered a niche genre), little publicity...and having no copy protection whatsoever.

2. Capcom must be having an interest in the PC with releases of DMC4 and Lost Planet to PC (and Street Fighter 4 pending). Not only that, they've signed up to distribute games via Steam.

Really? That's awsome.

Kudos.

Not only did you use an anecdote to try and portray a global trend, you chose an anecdote which doesn't support your argument.

Crysis: Warhead is a PC exclusive. And Crytek never suggested they were shifting to consoles, they implied their new IPs might not be PC exclusive.

Danm_999

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

2. Capcom must be having an interest in the PC with releases of DMC4 and Lost Planet to PC (and Street Fighter 4 pending). Not only that, they've signed up to distribute games via Steam.

Kez1984

Really? That's awsome.

For the the people complaining out there I would actually listen to the podcast. The GiantBomb crew delivers both criticisms and supporting comments for PC gaming.

Here's some knocks I heard Ryan Davis say about PC gaming.

Setup costs: True, it's going to be more then buying a console

jd7-03

What I don't understand is why it needs to be brought up as a counter-argument against PC gaming. I'm sorry but technology DOES NOT come cheap. To complain about the cost of a high-end PC is like complaining about the cost of a Peavey XXX Tube Amp; the technology is of too much quality to be cheap and would lose money if they made it cheaper.

Where these guys got the idea that quality+new/=/expensive, I'll never no but you'd think they would learn.

[QUOTE="Kez1984"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

2. Capcom must be having an interest in the PC with releases of DMC4 and Lost Planet to PC (and Street Fighter 4 pending). Not only that, they've signed up to distribute games via Steam.

HuusAsking

Really? That's awsome.

That article is from 2007, they seem to be taking there time.

If you actually listened to the podcast, you'd know it was Ryan, not Jeff leveling most of the critisism, and Brad and Vinnie were sort of pushing back against it. They never said it was going to die, they just said it's in a tight spot right now.
supercubedude64

Consoles is where the money is at; unless you plan on making a MMO. EuroMafia

[QUOTE="supercubedude64"]If you actually listened to the podcast, you'd know it was Ryan, not Jeff leveling most of the critisism, and Brad and Vinnie were sort of pushing back against it. They never said it was going to die, they just said it's in a tight spot right now.
Bromz

More people needs to do that, instead of spouting out crap out of their mouth.

[QUOTE="Bromz"][QUOTE="supercubedude64"]If you actually listened to the podcast, you'd know it was Ryan, not Jeff leveling most of the critisism, and Brad and Vinnie were sort of pushing back against it. They never said it was going to die, they just said it's in a tight spot right now.
Lonelynight

More people needs to do that, instead of spouting out crap out of their mouth.

you can say that for any system, but then again we'd lose the spirit of system wars.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

[QUOTE="Bromz"][QUOTE="supercubedude64"]If you actually listened to the podcast, you'd know it was Ryan, not Jeff leveling most of the critisism, and Brad and Vinnie were sort of pushing back against it. They never said it was going to die, they just said it's in a tight spot right now.
bulletsword

More people needs to do that, instead of spouting out crap out of their mouth.

you can say that for any system, but then again we'd lose the spirit of system wars.

Ya, all threads would be filled with boring intelligent discussions then. :P

[QUOTE="bulletsword"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

[QUOTE="Bromz"][QUOTE="supercubedude64"]If you actually listened to the podcast, you'd know it was Ryan, not Jeff leveling most of the critisism, and Brad and Vinnie were sort of pushing back against it. They never said it was going to die, they just said it's in a tight spot right now.
Lonelynight

More people needs to do that, instead of spouting out crap out of their mouth.

you can say that for any system, but then again we'd lose the spirit of system wars.

Ya, all threads would be filled with boring intelligent discussions then. :P

The horror! :cry:

It's not the PC gaming itself that is dying, it's just the sales due to piracy. Sure, piracy itself may mean there are less PC games out there (or at least exclusives) but I'm sure there's a mountain of people out there playin' COD4 on the PC.
elektrixxx

Retail sales are definitely on a down swing in the US, but people need to realize that the PC gaming platform has always been niche in it's form, at least compared to consoles, which are mass market. What's slowing down in retail is picking up in digital distro for the most part, and in Europe and Asia the PC seems to be on top of all platforms.

What's infuriating is hearing from people about PC Gaming dying when they aren't even PC Gamers to begin with. It's just a ridiculous beaten to death horse at this point. Bottom line, great games are still coming out in great numbers for the PC now and into the foreseeable future, period. Also, console gamers should want a healthy PC Gaming market to begin with, it plows the way forward. Even though it takes a bit more to be a PC gamer, there are plenty of us willing to keep advancing gaming technology forward that will eventually drive console technology. It should be a perfect synergy, but this community is so fractured with fanboys, kids, and ignorance, it's no wonder everyone is jumping on the hate train.

[QUOTE="bulletsword"][QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

[QUOTE="Bromz"][QUOTE="supercubedude64"]If you actually listened to the podcast, you'd know it was Ryan, not Jeff leveling most of the critisism, and Brad and Vinnie were sort of pushing back against it. They never said it was going to die, they just said it's in a tight spot right now.
Lonelynight

More people needs to do that, instead of spouting out crap out of their mouth.

you can say that for any system, but then again we'd lose the spirit of system wars.

Ya, all threads would be filled with boring intelligent discussions then. :P

So Ryan is showing he like the 360 the best again even though the PS3 and 360 are near identical in graphics. I knew it all along but now he is just embarrassing.

using graphics as the deciding factor in which console is better? that is just pathetic

bulletsword

Buh-buh teh hermits are GFX whores!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!

using graphics as the deciding factor in which console is better? that is just pathetic

bulletsword

Using that logic, PC will be the best system.

[QUOTE="bulletsword"]

using graphics as the deciding factor in which console is better? that is just pathetic

Lonelynight

Using that logic, PC will be the best system.

^haha

Consoles is where the money is at; unless you plan on making a MMO. EuroMafia

in most cases PC is where the money is at for developers, on consoles devs are screwed , it's publishers who get all the money.

[QUOTE="Kez1984"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

2. Capcom must be having an interest in the PC with releases of DMC4 and Lost Planet to PC (and Street Fighter 4 pending). Not only that, they've signed up to distribute games via Steam.

HuusAsking

Really? That's awsome.

Capcom is basically forced to do these PC ports because they are part of some PC gaming alliance thing, and probably like DMC 3, Resident Evil 4, Onimusha 3, and Lost Planet. These are going to be pretty clumsy ports considering their track record.

Crysis Warhead will be the LAST PC exclusive that they do. After this they are strictly going multi-platform, and they are doing this because they are getting burned by pirates.

Anyways, Stardock games sell and make profit by aiming at the extreame nich market and basically just catering to them. Notice they dont have any advertising for their game, no shelf space in stores, their usually in the back rooms of gamestop or something. And by going extreamly minimal they get huge profits. However that tactic usually comes at the cost of any new gamers coming to that genre. Basically their just getting the people that know exactly what their getting when they go into a gamestore, not the dude that doesin't go to Gamespot or whatever waking into the store wanting a new game.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Kez1984"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

2. Capcom must be having an interest in the PC with releases of DMC4 and Lost Planet to PC (and Street Fighter 4 pending). Not only that, they've signed up to distribute games via Steam.

insanejedi

Really? That's awsome.

Capcom is basically forced to do these PC ports because they are part of some PC gaming alliance thing, and probably like DMC 3, Resident Evil 4, Onimusha 3, and Lost Planet. These are going to be pretty clumsy ports considering their track record.

Crysis Warhead will be the LAST PC exclusive that they do. After this they are strictly going multi-platform, and they are doing this because they are getting burned by pirates.

Anyways, Stardock games sell and make profit by aiming at the extreame nich market and basically just catering to them. Notice they dont have any advertising for their game, no shelf space in stores, their usually in the back rooms of gamestop or something. And by going extreamly minimal they get huge profits. However that tactic usually comes at the cost of any new gamers coming to that genre. Basically their just getting the people that know exactly what their getting when they go into a gamestore, not the dude that doesin't go to Gamespot or whatever waking into the store wanting a new game.

Actually, they said franchise, one of them also commented in saying crysis would never go to the consoles if i remember correctly.

Anyways, Stardock games sell and make profit by aiming at the extreame nich market and basically just catering to them. no shelf space in stores, their usually in the back rooms of gamestop or something.

insanejedi

not if you go to Best Buy.

The teeny-bops need to realize alot of the best stuff had derived from pc gaming. Why they relish the idea of it's demise is baffling.

Kez1984

Agreed, I just wish I could afford a good rigg:(

Capcom is basically forced to do these PC ports because they are part of some PC gaming alliance thing, and probably like DMC 3, Resident Evil 4, Onimusha 3, and Lost Planet. These are going to be pretty clumsy ports considering their track record.

Crysis Warhead will be the LAST PC exclusive that they do. After this they are strictly going multi-platform, and they are doing this because they are getting burned by pirates.

Anyways, Stardock games sell and make profit by aiming at the extreame nich market and basically just catering to them. Notice they dont have any advertising for their game, no shelf space in stores, their usually in the back rooms of gamestop or something. And by going extreamly minimal they get huge profits. However that tactic usually comes at the cost of any new gamers coming to that genre. Basically their just getting the people that know exactly what their getting when they go into a gamestore, not the dude that doesin't go to Gamespot or whatever waking into the store wanting a new game.

insanejedi

What's infuriating is hearing from people about PC Gaming dying when they aren't even PC Gamers to begin with. It's just a ridiculous beaten to death horse at this point. Bottom line, great games are still coming out in great numbers for the PC now and into the foreseeable future, period. Also, console gamers should want a healthy PC Gaming market to begin with, it plows the way forward. Even though it takes a bit more to be a PC gamer, there are plenty of us willing to keep advancing gaming technology forward that will eventually drive console technology. It should be a perfect synergy, but this community is so fractured with fanboys, kids, and ignorance, it's no wonder everyone is jumping on the hate train.

mismajor99

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Kez1984"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"]

2. Capcom must be having an interest in the PC with releases of DMC4 and Lost Planet to PC (and Street Fighter 4 pending). Not only that, they've signed up to distribute games via Steam.

insanejedi

Really? That's awsome.

Capcom is basically forced to do these PC ports because they are part of some PC gaming alliance thing, and probably like DMC 3, Resident Evil 4, Onimusha 3, and Lost Planet. These are going to be pretty clumsy ports considering their track record.

Crysis Warhead will be the LAST PC exclusive that they do. After this they are strictly going multi-platform, and they are doing this because they are getting burned by pirates.

Anyways, Stardock games sell and make profit by aiming at the extreame nich market and basically just catering to them. Notice they dont have any advertising for their game, no shelf space in stores, their usually in the back rooms of gamestop or something. And by going extreamly minimal they get huge profits. However that tactic usually comes at the cost of any new gamers coming to that genre. Basically their just getting the people that know exactly what their getting when they go into a gamestore, not the dude that doesin't go to Gamespot or whatever waking into the store wanting a new game.

1) Capcom CHOSE to join the PC Gaming Alliance, they was forced to do nothing...

2) No, Crysis Warhead is not confirmed as the last, as far as we are all aware that the Crysis Franchise is the LAST exclusive, not this one game.

Capcom is basically forced to do these PC ports because they are part of some PC gaming alliance thing, and probably like DMC 3, Resident Evil 4, Onimusha 3, and Lost Planet. These are going to be pretty clumsy ports considering their track record.

insanejedi

Right, because Crytek's games on consoles will be any diffrent. How exacly is it any diffrent situatuion anyway? Capcom moves to PC, Crytek moves to consoles. If Crytek's move signalizes the troubles behind PCgaming then Capcom increasingly heavy support for PC signalizes troubles with console market

Face it Hermits, PC gaming is dying despite massive amounts of evidence to the contrary.

They are talking about the industry as a whole. Most development firms don't see the money in PC gaming exclusivity. They see two next gen consoles with room to grow and quickly growing user bases. I don't think PC devs are jumping ship for the Wii, but for 360 and PS3 almost certainly. Jeff and Ryan were simply pointing that out. I don't think they ever used to words die or dying at all to describe the state of PC gaming. I think in the future we will see exclusives for PC few and far between.New-Gamer

So in the future we'll see more and more PC exclusives

[QUOTE="New-Gamer"]They are talking about the industry as a whole. Most development firms don't see the money in PC gaming exclusivity. They see two next gen consoles with room to grow and quickly growing user bases. I don't think PC devs are jumping ship for the Wii, but for 360 and PS3 almost certainly. Jeff and Ryan were simply pointing that out. I don't think they ever used to words die or dying at all to describe the state of PC gaming. I think in the future we will see exclusives for PC few and far between.AdrianWerner

So in the future we'll see more and more PC exclusives

Signs are pointing to no on that one. Have you read the news on Kotaku and Gamespot lately? It seems that many PC devs are having massive layoffs and changing tracks to develop for 360 and PS3. Maybe small firms will develop for PC to avoid paying publishing costs. Bigger companies will stay clear of PC for it isn't where the cash is.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="New-Gamer"]They are talking about the industry as a whole. Most development firms don't see the money in PC gaming exclusivity. They see two next gen consoles with room to grow and quickly growing user bases. I don't think PC devs are jumping ship for the Wii, but for 360 and PS3 almost certainly. Jeff and Ryan were simply pointing that out. I don't think they ever used to words die or dying at all to describe the state of PC gaming. I think in the future we will see exclusives for PC few and far between.New-Gamer

So in the future we'll see more and more PC exclusives

Signs are pointing to no on that one. Have you read the news on Kotaku and Gamespot lately? It seems that many PC devs are having massive layoffs and changing tracks to develop for 360 and PS3. Maybe small firms will develop for PC to avoid paying publishing costs. Bigger companies will stay clear of PC for it isn't where the cash is.

the lataest layoff news i heard was of lucas arts and for quite sometine they have been making mostly console games.

[QUOTE="jd7-03"]

For the the people complaining out there I would actually listen to the podcast. The GiantBomb crew delivers both criticisms and supporting comments for PC gaming.

Here's some knocks I heard Ryan Davis say about PC gaming.

Setup costs: True, it's going to be more then buying a console

VoodooGamer

What I don't understand is why it needs to be brought up as a counter-argument against PC gaming. I'm sorry but technology DOES NOT come cheap. To complain about the cost of a high-end PC is like complaining about the cost of a Peavey XXX Tube Amp; the technology is of too much quality to be cheap and would lose money if they made it cheaper.

Where these guys got the idea that quality+new/=/expensive, I'll never no but you'd think they would learn.

Very true, people shouldn't expect a Viper to cost the same as a Civic.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="New-Gamer"]They are talking about the industry as a whole. Most development firms don't see the money in PC gaming exclusivity. They see two next gen consoles with room to grow and quickly growing user bases. I don't think PC devs are jumping ship for the Wii, but for 360 and PS3 almost certainly. Jeff and Ryan were simply pointing that out. I don't think they ever used to words die or dying at all to describe the state of PC gaming. I think in the future we will see exclusives for PC few and far between.New-Gamer

So in the future we'll see more and more PC exclusives

Signs are pointing to no on that one. Have you read the news on Kotaku and Gamespot lately? It seems that many PC devs are having massive layoffs and changing tracks to develop for 360 and PS3. Maybe small firms will develop for PC to avoid paying publishing costs. Bigger companies will stay clear of PC for it isn't where the cash is.

What about the pitable 60,000 copies of Boom Blox that were sold? That was a big game for the wii, and it was a dead flop because it was muscled out by Nintendo's big guns: SSBM and Wii Fit.

Believe me, as games like Halo and Call of Duty get more popular, people will buy more of those and ignore those which don't have the same hype or marketing campaigns.

On the other hand, an unknown developer can release his game on services like Steam

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="New-Gamer"]They are talking about the industry as a whole. Most development firms don't see the money in PC gaming exclusivity. They see two next gen consoles with room to grow and quickly growing user bases. I don't think PC devs are jumping ship for the Wii, but for 360 and PS3 almost certainly. Jeff and Ryan were simply pointing that out. I don't think they ever used to words die or dying at all to describe the state of PC gaming. I think in the future we will see exclusives for PC few and far between.New-Gamer

So in the future we'll see more and more PC exclusives

Signs are pointing to no on that one. Have you read the news on Kotaku and Gamespot lately? It seems that many PC devs are having massive layoffs and changing tracks to develop for 360 and PS3. Maybe small firms will develop for PC to avoid paying publishing costs. Bigger companies will stay clear of PC for it isn't where the cash is.

All signs point to console market quickly becoming lethal to any developer, there is a reason why almost every console developer either went bancrupt already or was bought by some publisher. And it will only get worse, next gen you will propably need 2-3 mln copies of game sold just to break even.