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#901 sparkypants
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[QUOTE="sparkypants"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="funolopy"]

MY VOTE FOR THE GREATEST POST EVER ON GAMESPOT FORUM-

ALL TIME GREAT-

THE BEST WRITTEN, THE MOST INTELLIGENT PIECE OF WRITING I'VE SEEN FROM ANY GAMER ON ANY FORUM.

Tylendal

Except for the fact that it's completely false.

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Wii games published by Nintendo.

Hardcore games announced

  1. Twilight Princess
  2. Fire Emblem
  3. Super Paper Mario
  4. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
  5. Super Mario Galaxy
  6. Super Smash Bros. Brawl
  7. Fire Emblem
  8. Battalion Wars 2
  9. Disaster: Day of Crisis
  10. Mario Kart Wii
  11. Generic Kirby game
  12. Project H.A.M.M.E.R. (maybe)
  13. Mario Strikers Charged




Casual games announced

  1. Wii Sports
  2. Wii Play
  3. WarioWare: Smooth Moves
  4. Mario Party 8
  5. Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
  6. Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast
  7. Endless Ocean
  8. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
  9. Wii Fit
  10. Wii Music
  11. Animal Crossing Wii
  12. Pokemon Battle Revolution
  13. Excite Truck

Fixed It:D

Re-Fixed It:D

How can you consider Kirby casual. Also, Mario Kart and Mario Strikers are far from pick-up-and-play.

Better question, so when has there been 2 Fire Emblem games? Im not much of a Kurbi Game fan but the fact that it dosent have a title makes it either casual or not desirving to be on the list,give it a title i'll give you the game. any Mario sports game(including Kart) is the least bit hard core therefore both games diserve to be called casual(especially now with that stupid wheel for Kart)Im sorry ser but your list fails

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#902 Shinobishyguy
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So you were just born a gamer? And stop saying that Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore, becaue I've proved that they aren't.

subrosian



I've already eaten his list alive, the fact that he's posting it again simply means that he's unable to accept that the titles he's listing are not core titles. I don't expect everyone to grasp what a hardcore title is, especially this generation, as so little on the Wii represents it.


....So great franchises like metroid aren't core titles?

Better yet...I see absolutely no evidence that it uses the zapper, where ever you pulled that info from.

As for mario galaxythat's a title that appeals to both hardcore and casuals.

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#903 subrosian
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No, your price-based model does not determine what is hardcore or not. Nor have Kirby, Mario Strikers, Project HAMMER, et cetera ever been hardcore titles. Look, it's okay that you're not hardcore gamers, but don't help Nintendo's cause by trying to pretend their mass market games are "hardcore". They're not, and the problem I have as a core gamer is that they're not producing core titles.
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#904 sparkypants
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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

So you were just born a gamer? And stop saying that Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore, becaue I've proved that they aren't.

Shinobishyguy



I've already eaten his list alive, the fact that he's posting it again simply means that he's unable to accept that the titles he's listing are not core titles. I don't expect everyone to grasp what a hardcore title is, especially this generation, as so little on the Wii represents it.


....So great franchises like metroid aren't core titles?

Better yet...I see absolutely no evidence that it uses the zapper, where ever you pulled that info from.

As for mario galaxythat's a title that appeals to both hardcore and casuals.

No one said MP3 was bad it was the other games he listed...or lack of. As for the zapper, It was hinted that it could be used for any FPS, MP3 is an FPS...see where Im getting at?

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#905 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

So you were just born a gamer? And stop saying that Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore, becaue I've proved that they aren't.

sparkypants



I've already eaten his list alive, the fact that he's posting it again simply means that he's unable to accept that the titles he's listing are not core titles. I don't expect everyone to grasp what a hardcore title is, especially this generation, as so little on the Wii represents it.


....So great franchises like metroid aren't core titles?

Better yet...I see absolutely no evidence that it uses the zapper, where ever you pulled that info from.

As for mario galaxythat's a title that appeals to both hardcore and casuals.

No one said MP3 was bad it was the other games he listed...or lack of. As for the zapper, It was hinted that it could be used for any FPS, MP3 is an FPS...see where Im getting at?

for the last time MP3 is a first person adventure.

It was showcased using the wii remote and nunchuck

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#906 Shinobishyguy
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No, your price-based model does not determine what is hardcore or not. Nor have Kirby, Mario Strikers, Project HAMMER, et cetera ever been hardcore titles. Look, it's okay that you're not hardcore gamers, but don't help Nintendo's cause by trying to pretend their mass market games are "hardcore". They're not, and the problem I have as a core gamer is that they're not producing core titles.
subrosian
Then whats exactly is a core game?

If metroid isn't...I don't know what is.

As for kirby....have you ever even played any of the platforming games?

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#907 c-joel1121
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damn i can't see why you are leaving nintendo, mainly because you assume they forgot about the core gamer, nintendo deserted the real gamer, and are throwing all the franchises down the trash. I can't believe mostly everybody is agreeing with you.

pause and think for a second, nintendo did the impossible they have created a console which core gamers like me, and non gamers like old people and moms can play. You and me can say that we save up our money for the wii ,or maybe we got it as a birthday or christmas present. For younger kids who don't have jobs, they begged their parents for it. Agree with this fact the non gamer wasn't waiting on line for the wii, neither did they preorder it, because they are simply the nongamers who don't have interest in video games. nintendo launched the wii and we all know how that went it was a worldwide phenomenon. Nintendo knows that the nongamers tried it out either by their own or most likely by force from the core gamers. Nintendo tapped the market and like great buisness men the put products out for them, FOR THEM not us, not the core gamer. They don't expect the core gamer to be lining up for brain age, HELL NO. Clearly they did'nt desert us. they didn't dropped development for the big three and just said "Well i think we would make more on the non gamers so lets just focus everything on them" Reggie said himself we don't need the nongamers to be in 1st place. they know that without the core gamers they will just fail, what mom would want to play the wii if their son or daughter thinks its lame and a waste. And you say they're screwing the franchises, yes LOZTP wasn't that hard as LOZOOT,it wasn't dumb easy, it was challenging, Last i remember i didn't spend 60 hours of my life playing OOT i was playing LOZTP. SSBB, i honestly would have been happy if they just upped the grafics add new stages new characters with online. But there putting a whole lot of new material that i would have never thought of. Day to night. smash tokens, assist trophies, off the top of my head thats all i remember right now, they are really making this game to be skyrocketing way higher than our expectations.SSBB is a core game not meant for nongamers. i would have never thought of mario in space, they came up with and using the wiimote and nunchucks in Mp3 aint good, what the hell is wrong with you. stop THINK

c-joel1121
restating, i expected users to agree or disagree with me take your time to read it
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#909 sparkypants
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[QUOTE="sparkypants"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

So you were just born a gamer? And stop saying that Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore, becaue I've proved that they aren't.

Shinobishyguy



I've already eaten his list alive, the fact that he's posting it again simply means that he's unable to accept that the titles he's listing are not core titles. I don't expect everyone to grasp what a hardcore title is, especially this generation, as so little on the Wii represents it.


....So great franchises like metroid aren't core titles?

Better yet...I see absolutely no evidence that it uses the zapper, where ever you pulled that info from.

As for mario galaxythat's a title that appeals to both hardcore and casuals.

No one said MP3 was bad it was the other games he listed...or lack of. As for the zapper, It was hinted that it could be used for any FPS, MP3 is an FPS...see where Im getting at?

for the last time MP3 is a first person adventure.

It was showcased using the wii remote and nunchuck

lol I fail to see the diffrence,care to explain because in my eyes and the eyes of others its an FPS

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#910 sparkypants
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[QUOTE="c-joel1121"]

damn i can't see why you are leaving nintendo, mainly because you assume they forgot about the core gamer, nintendo deserted the real gamer, and are throwing all the franchises down the trash. I can't believe mostly everybody is agreeing with you.

pause and think for a second, nintendo did the impossible they have created a console which core gamers like me, and non gamers like old people and moms can play. You and me can say that we save up our money for the wii ,or maybe we got it as a birthday or christmas present. For younger kids who don't have jobs, they begged their parents for it. Agree with this fact the non gamer wasn't waiting on line for the wii, neither did they preorder it, because they are simply the nongamers who don't have interest in video games. nintendo launched the wii and we all know how that went it was a worldwide phenomenon. Nintendo knows that the nongamers tried it out either by their own or most likely by force from the core gamers. Nintendo tapped the market and like great buisness men the put products out for them, FOR THEM not us, not the core gamer. They don't expect the core gamer to be lining up for brain age, HELL NO. Clearly they did'nt desert us. they didn't dropped development for the big three and just said "Well i think we would make more on the non gamers so lets just focus everything on them" Reggie said himself we don't need the nongamers to be in 1st place. they know that without the core gamers they will just fail, what mom would want to play the wii if their son or daughter thinks its lame and a waste. And you say they're screwing the franchises, yes LOZTP wasn't that hard as LOZOOT,it wasn't dumb easy, it was challenging, Last i remember i didn't spend 60 hours of my life playing OOT i was playing LOZTP. SSBB, i honestly would have been happy if they just upped the grafics add new stages new characters with online. But there putting a whole lot of new material that i would have never thought of. Day to night. smash tokens, assist trophies, off the top of my head thats all i remember right now, they are really making this game to be skyrocketing way higher than our expectations.SSBB is a core game not meant for nongamers. i would have never thought of mario in space, they came up with and using the wiimote and nunchucks in Mp3 aint good, what the hell is wrong with you. stop THINK

c-joel1121

restating, i expected users to agree or disagree with me take your time to read it

To me reggie showed he dosent care about core gamers, or at least thats what I got from the presentation. All he did was bragg about the Casuals, and look how great Good Morning America think we are. At the presentation he showed me no reason to by a Wii(In case you didnt know I was using E3 to determin wether or not Id get a 360 or Wii after I got the PS3...guess who one) all they did was brag. I know there is more then just casual game for the wii but the fact that reggie made WiiFit his main priority shows me the direction the Wii wants to go, and this direction is not one I want to take so count me out. You sheep can show me all the bogus lists you want(lol at the fact whats his face listed Fire emblem 2 time and thinks Mario Strikers is Hardcore) but you still fail to show me why I should get Wii when Im not even there target audiance.

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#911 c-joel1121
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Games I Would definetly buy

1. Super smash bros brawl online

2. Super Mario Galaxy

3. Metroid Prime Corruption

4. Battallion wii online

5. Mario Kart Wii online

6. No more heroes

7. Disaster Day of crisis

8. Project H.A.M.M.E.R

9. Mario strikers Charged online

10. Red Steel 2

11. Nitrobike online

12. Sadness

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No, your price-based model does not determine what is hardcore or not. Nor have Kirby, Mario Strikers, Project HAMMER, et cetera ever been hardcore titles. Look, it's okay that you're not hardcore gamers, but don't help Nintendo's cause by trying to pretend their mass market games are "hardcore". They're not, and the problem I have as a core gamer is that they're not producing core titles.
subrosian

Mario Kart was hugely popular, and Mario Strikers is said to be an amazing game. However, I can understand how you might not consider them hardcore games.

Kirby and Project H.A.M.M.E.R., however, can not remotely be considered mass market games.

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#913 subrosian
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Games i would definetly buy

1. Super smash bros brawl online

2. Super Mario Galaxy

3. Metroid Prime Corruption

4. Battallion wii online

5. Mario Kart Wii online

6. No more heroes

7. Disaster Day of crisis

8. Project H.A.M.M.E.R

9. Mario strikers Charged online

10. Red Steel 2

11. Nitrobike online

c-joel1121


Actually, Brawl online has not been confirmed. It would be really sad if it wasn't, but it's offline status remains a possibility. Also, the fact that you would buy certain games does not change that Nintendo's focus is squarely on the non-gamer market, a few casual titles don't change it, and the lack of titles aimed at the core gamer is readily apparent.

Red Steel 2... *shakes head*... I don't know what to say to that. When did something as awful as Red Steel become a game anyone would be looking for a sequel to?
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#914 subrosian
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[QUOTE="subrosian"]No, your price-based model does not determine what is hardcore or not. Nor have Kirby, Mario Strikers, Project HAMMER, et cetera ever been hardcore titles. Look, it's okay that you're not hardcore gamers, but don't help Nintendo's cause by trying to pretend their mass market games are "hardcore". They're not, and the problem I have as a core gamer is that they're not producing core titles.
Tylendal

Mario Kart was hugely popular, and Mario Strikers is said to be an amazing game. However, I can understand how you might not consider them hardcore games.

Kirby and Project H.A.M.M.E.R., however, can not remotely be considered mass market games.



Kirby has *always* been a mass market series. Take a look at the games that come out in it... Crystal Shards? Canvas Curse? Air Ride? Give me a break, Kirby is not a hardcore series. I was playing Kirby when Kirby was a new series as a kid, it's *not* a core series, it's a game aimed at casuals. Dead giveaway that Kirby is mass market? The toys at fast food restaurants, a cartoon show, and being a pink puffball who stars in platformers...

And yes, Project HAMMER is a dumbed down hack-n-slash title aimed at casuals, it is not a hardcore series. I'm sorry, these *are not* core series, and the fact that Wii fanboys try and pad their release lists by pretending they are is simply annoying.


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#915 mojito1988
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THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN LEAVE NINTENDO IS IN A BODYBAG!!! MWAHAHAHA!!

Just kidding anyway we will miss you but life goes on.

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[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]No, your price-based model does not determine what is hardcore or not. Nor have Kirby, Mario Strikers, Project HAMMER, et cetera ever been hardcore titles. Look, it's okay that you're not hardcore gamers, but don't help Nintendo's cause by trying to pretend their mass market games are "hardcore". They're not, and the problem I have as a core gamer is that they're not producing core titles.
subrosian

Mario Kart was hugely popular, and Mario Strikers is said to be an amazing game. However, I can understand how you might not consider them hardcore games.

Kirby and Project H.A.M.M.E.R., however, can not remotely be considered mass market games.



Kirby has *always* been a mass market series. Take a look at the games that come out in it... Crystal Shards? Canvas Curse? Air Ride? Give me a break, Kirby is not a hardcore series. I was playing Kirby when Kirby was a new series as a kid, it's *not* a core series, it's a game aimed at casuals. Dead giveaway that Kirby is mass market? The toys at fast food restaurants, a cartoon show, and being a pink puffball who stars in platformers...

And yes, Project HAMMER is a dumbed down hack-n-slash title aimed at casuals, it is not a hardcore series. I'm sorry, these *are not* core series, and the fact that Wii fanboys try and pad their release lists by pretending they are is simply annoying.


It's no more annoying than some random individual on system wars deciding he's the be-all-end-all designator of what's "hardcore" or not. :roll: ...As if it really matters. What happened to whether or not the game is fun? You know, when you enjoy playing it?
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#917 c-joel1121
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Games i would definetly buy

1. Super smash bros brawl online

2. Super Mario Galaxy

3. Metroid Prime Corruption

4. Battallion wii online

5. Mario Kart Wii online

6. No more heroes

7. Disaster Day of crisis

8. Project H.A.M.M.E.R

9. Mario strikers Charged online

10. Red Steel 2

11. Nitrobike online

subrosian



Actually, Brawl online has not been confirmed. It would be really sad if it wasn't, but it's offline status remains a possibility. Also, the fact that you would buy certain games does not change that Nintendo's focus is squarely on the non-gamer market, a few casual titles don't change it, and the lack of titles aimed at the core gamer is readily apparent.

Red Steel 2... *shakes head*... I don't know what to say to that. When did something as awful as Red Steel become a game anyone would be looking for a sequel to?

you are seriously telling me that SSBB online hasn't been confirmed yet, iam very aware of that. dude its inevitable.

i knew somebody went to comment on my input of RedSteel and yes its confirmed before you tell me it isn't. red steel 1 was like a love love, hate hate thing, at points it had great graphics, and horrible graphics, don forget the glithes. ok control. Everybody knows it was rushed now what if ubisoft takes their time with it ooooooh. RedSteel 1 is their blueprint . what game would it shape up to be, definetely way better than the first. ##shakes head####

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#918 sparkypants
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Games I Would definetly buy

1. Super smash bros brawl online Sorry Dude Online isnt confirmed andthe fact they had little info at E3 dosnt help though itlook good

2. Super Mario Galaxy eh we'll see

3. Metroid Prime Corruption ok I'll take this one but its still an FPS

4. Battallion wii onlineDont Care

5. Mario Kart Wii online it is not a hardcore game and if the online is like Mario Kart DS then NO!!

6. No more heroes I need more info which Nintendo failed to give

7. Disaster Day of crisis Dont care

8. Project H.A.M.M.E.R ehh

9. Mario strikers Charged online Not hardcore and no thanks its another Mario sports game

10. Red Steel 2

11. Nitrobike online

12. Sadness

Wow man you must have been desperite if you had to use any of the last three

c-joel1121

This is just my opinionbut if this is all the Wii has to offer then Noo thanks

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Actually, Brawl online has not been confirmed. It would be really sad if it wasn't, but it's offline status remains a possibility. Also, the fact that you would buy certain games does not change that Nintendo's focus is squarely on the non-gamer market, a few casual titles don't change it, and the lack of titles aimed at the core gamer is readily apparent.

Red Steel 2... *shakes head*... I don't know what to say to that. When did something as awful as Red Steel become a game anyone would be looking for a sequel to?

same could say for Killzone but the reason i beleive is because it was a very rushed title and people are willing to give it a chance, including me. As for Brawl, its very likely to be online.

Of course Nintendo's main focus are non-gamers. they said it from the start. Thats why they made the Wii for, to attract new people but not to get rid of core gamers are you crazy? They will still make good quality core games. thats what they do. I dont know why you're so Anti-Nintendo. They are doing something different and wonderful with this console but you dont see that.

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#920 subrosian
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THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN LEAVE NINTENDO IS IN A BODYBAG!!! MWAHAHAHA!!

Just kidding anyway we will miss you but life goes on.

mojito1988


okay... we went over 900 posts without a death threat (and only one post comparing me to Hitler I guess it was time.
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#921 Aqua-Vitae
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Wow! 920+ posts! This is (I think) the biggest SW thread of recent times. Congratulations, Subrosian. :P
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#922 SambaLele
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[QUOTE="mojito1988"]

THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN LEAVE NINTENDO IS IN A BODYBAG!!! MWAHAHAHA!!

Just kidding anyway we will miss you but life goes on.

subrosian



okay... we went over 900 posts without a death threat (and only one post comparing me to Hitler I guess it was time.

we live in a strange world. you get a death threat and are compared to hitler just because you made a very good point.

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#923 subrosian
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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

So you were just born a gamer? And stop saying that Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore, becaue I've proved that they aren't.

Shinobishyguy



I've already eaten his list alive, the fact that he's posting it again simply means that he's unable to accept that the titles he's listing are not core titles. I don't expect everyone to grasp what a hardcore title is, especially this generation, as so little on the Wii represents it.


....So great franchises like metroid aren't core titles?

Better yet...I see absolutely no evidence that it uses the zapper, where ever you pulled that info from.

As for mario galaxythat's a title that appeals to both hardcore and casuals.



There is no inbetween, a title is for one demographic. A hardcore gamer can play a casual title, and vice versa, but unless your title is built for the core audience, then no, it is not a core title. I went through his list already, he keeps posting his list as though it disputes the hundreds of sentiments here that Nintendo is not supporting hardcore gamers in the way they should be, and that Nintendo has abandoned us for non-gamers.

Posting Mario Strikers, Battalion Wars, Kirby, Mario Kart, and Project HAMMER as though these titles are hardcore simply solidfies my arguements. Let me put it this way - if Kirby came out on the PC, PS3, or Xbox 360, would it be considered a hardcore title? Absolutely not. So why is it suddenly acceptable to pretend that these games, which, were they to be released on any other platform, would be labeled as casual titles, as hardcore titles on a Nintendo platform?

They're not titles aimed at the hardcore demographic. If you enjoy them, that's fine, but that doesn't change who they are targeted towards.

Metroid Prime is a title aimed at hardcore gamers. As I have said, there are baubles every now and then in the garbage pile, but that does not change the overall focus of the system.
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#924 peaceful_anger
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Poor Nintendo. What do you do? You give us your 4 BIGGEST MAIN franchises as well as BWII and Fire Emblem all in one year, yet you get accused of abandoning your core audience. You are also showing us that a Wii game can look great by actually putting effort into them.

Seriously, I feel so bad for Nintendo cause they can't win either way. With the gamecube, people got mad because Nintendo took so long to release their first party titles, and now they are giving us core gamers what we want by releasing their most hyped games in the Wii's first year, yet people are clamoring on about how they don't care about their core fanbase. Now we know Mario Kart is coming next year, and Miyamoto has said that the Animal Crossing team is hard at work making that title. He also gones on the say that we haven't seen the last of Pikmin, and how well it would work with the Wiimote. Iwata and Miyamoto were even talking about the next Zelda for the Wii. Nintendo could even bring back the Donkey Kong platformer, Kid Icarus, or even Punch Out. Nintendo has so many c-l-a-s-s-i-c franchises to fall back on that their should be enough for the core gamer.

And if you complain about Nintendo releasing their same old franchises, thenyou should complain about Capcom releasing Resident Evil 5, Konami/Kojima releasing MGS 4, Silent Hill V, Take Two/Rockstar releasing GTA IV, SE releasing FFXIII, DQIX, Kingdom Hearts 3, Bunge releasing Halo 3. Another thing is that Nintendo makes new IPs every generation, so why would this generation be any different. We already know about Disaster, and thats not a mini game or a game for non gamers. Who knows other new IPs they might have in store.

Nintendo makes the games they make because that is what they are good at. I mean why do you think we don't see SE making shooters? Why don't we see Rockstar making RPGs? Why don't we see Capcom making platformers. Why don't we see Bunge making fighers? It is because they make what they are good at by playing to their strengths, and Nintendo is no different.
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#925 c-joel1121
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[QUOTE="c-joel1121"]

Games I Would definetly buy

1. Super smash bros brawl online Sorry Dude Online isnt confirmed andthe fact they had little info at E3 dosnt help though itlook good

2. Super Mario Galaxy eh we'll see

3. Metroid Prime Corruption ok I'll take this one but its still an FPS

4. Battallion wii onlineDont Care

5. Mario Kart Wii online it is not a hardcore game and if the online is like Mario Kart DS then NO!!

6. No more heroes I need more info which Nintendo failed to give

7. Disaster Day of crisis Dont care

8. Project H.A.M.M.E.R ehh

9. Mario strikers Charged online Not hardcore and no thanks its another Mario sports game

10. Red Steel 2

11. Nitrobike online

12. Sadness

Wow man you must have been desperite if you had to use any of the last three

sparkypants

This is just my opinionbut if this is all the Wii has to offer then Noo thanks

Sparkyman , im sure you noticed i put GAMES I WOULD DEFINETLY BUY, when they come out i would check the reviews on gamespot and ign, read stuff like that, to come to my conclusion if should buy it or not. This how nintendo works is they are very secretive, i wasn't trying to convince you or anybody just putting my opinion. If a game scheduled to come out in a long time i rather hear the news a 2month before its released, its just me. As for games like PH and DDOC nintendo is propably working their ninbutts off. yes i put nin before butt. and what
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#926 ironcreed
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I have been saying this for some time, and it has been misinterpreted over and over again. I've been called an elitist, biased, a hater, whatever....

Nintendo is hurting gaming.

Frankly, what Nintendo is doing right now is appealing to a market that's not us - the longtime gamer - but a market that is *them* - people who don't like videogames - people who play things like DDR, Guitar Hero, and Jane Fonda workout tapes. They shoved us aside with the Wii - in fact, look at Reggies' comments for the past two years - they *are no longer interested* in catering to us.

At their press conference, Nintendo kept telling us "you're wrong". Over and over, in fact. They told us what to think. They told us "oh, you're wrong, this is gaming for everyone" - they essentially acted like "hehehe you're stupid, you don't get it." The reality is, they know this isn't gaming for us, they know we don't enjoy these games - but they figure, "hey, if we can tell some Nintendo diehards that we're making gaming *better*, maybe we can drag them along".

Everything they're doing right now is about catering to sales from a lucrative market - a market we've been calling "casuals" - but in retrospect we should have kept calling "non-gamers". Casuals *used to be* a market that pumped their chests for Madden and Halo - what we have here is a new beast entirely.


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For a minute, just concede that Nintendo doesn't care. Why are they harming gaming? Because they control so many nostalgic series. I had to give this up *a long time ago*. As an early Sega fan, I had to accept that my favorite games - such as Sonic the Hedgehog - were no longer the same. I had to come to terms with the parent company Sega losing their minds - Sonic 3D Blast helped a great deal to drive that reality home, and by the time I played Sonic Shuffle and Sonic Adventure 2, it became easier to accept that Sega was going downhill.

Nintendo isn't dying, they were though, they were dying, losing marketshare, and they found this huge new market with the Wii... and unfortunately, much like Sega, they hold our old favorites hostage. So what do we get? Our best games come with concessions - Metroid Prime 3 will be built around "the zapper", goes back to stacked beams, and features basically a "turbo charged" mode -why? All in the interest of making the bastion of Nintendo's "hardcore" catalog still sell to some of the same people who will buy Wii Fitness.

They are trying to blend the ****c franchises into the Wii Sports / Play / Fitness market

Twilight Princess was one of the easiest Zelda games I've ever played, Super Paper Mario was time-consuming, but not exactly *challenging*, and Super Smash Brawl might not feature online gameplay.

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And that was, by far, one of the worst parts of the show - "made you didn't notice that we already have online gameplay?" ... maybe Nintendo didn't notice that PC, Xbox 360, and PS3 have services that are lightyears ahead of what I do on a DS or Wii? I don't feel like I have "the world" in the palm of my hand when I play Mario Kart online on my DS - I feel like I might as well be playing against the AI - I can't identify if I'm really playing the same people again, there's no ranking, I can't talk to my opponents, I can't see my opponents - where is the online social interaction?

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I feel that Nintendo has realized that online doesn't matter to increase DS / Wii sales, so they're not doing it - that simply they said "building a service like PSN costs too much money, and look at the people buying a Wii, they don't care." I do care, however, it's important for me. I have friends and family all over the world - being able to see their face and hear their voice while I play is vital - it makes it so I'm playing a racing game with my little brother, even though he's in another city - it makes it so I can talk to the other gamers in my Halo clan, even though they're in Denmark. Nintendo's issue isn't that they "don't get it" - it's that their current salesbase says "I can go to YouTube and MySpace on my Wii - Wii does it all!"

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Nintendo is in a situation where, quite frankly, we, the longtime gamers, are supporting them out of nostalgia. If the actual *games* Nintendo is releasing - Metroid, Mario, Smash, et cetera - were the same games, but with new characters and titles, would we be buying them. Honestly, look in your heart and tell me you'd buy MP3 without the "M". This doesn't just apply to Nintendo - Halo 3 *looks awful* by comparisson to other FPS titles coming out this year - it hasn't *evolved* enough - the FPS genre moves and improve so quickly - yet Halo 3 looks archaic. Yet MP3 looks *even more* archaic, and we support it, why? Because it's Metroid. I'm as guilty as the next guy of doing this.

I'm sorry, this all might not be the level of logic or cohesiveness I usually have - I have no intention of becoming a fanboy or a hater or anything else, but I'm done with Nintendo - I am washing my hands of them. For me it's about more than the games, it's also about the vision behind those games, about what you're trying to do with them. Yesterday's showcase was a disgusting display of chest-pounding arrogance and a clear showing that Nintendo does not view games as art.

"Games are for everyone" doesn't mean you should stop making games for me. I always thought, as a kid when I played Gameboy, that Nintendo would grow up with me, and they haven't. Sega and Nintendo, hand-in-hand walked me down a brightly coloured path to living gaming - and now both of them are gone. Nintendo... Sega... gone. I thought they were gone last year, and I gave them one last chance here, I tried to be open-minded, but I can't do it anymore.

I cannot accept Nintendo's vision for gaming. I do not support the idea that titles such as Wii Fitness should be showcased as videogames.

I'm done Nintendo. You do what you want to do, you will never get another dollar from me. Say good-bye to the tens of thousands I've spent on your products over the years. Frankly, it's my finest wish that every other longtime Nintendo fan do the same. Hardcore gamers represent a great deal of software sales - as long as we continue to support their "blended" market - where they make *just enough* of a hardcore spin on ****c franchises to tempt us, they will be able to keep being insanely profitable.

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I'm done. I'm sick and tired of having to hold my breath and pray - Sony this year "got it" - they were humble, they showed games, and they said "thanks for being here guys." Nintendo doesn't care. Sonic and Mario standing together in the same game should be enough of a warning sign to longtime gamers - hegehogs and plumbers running down a track together (at the same height, might I add, though Sega keeps changing how tall Sonic is every game, it's getting annoying) is, I believe, one of the signs of the apocalypse.
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Nintendo's world has ended, and I'm done with it. Bye, see ya. Time to get a second or third job, because the future of gaming as I enjoy it does not lie in your competively priced "plug-n-play" remote controlled gaming box.

subrosian

(Stands up and claps)....Can't believe I just read this today. Best post I have ever read on SW. Well said, my friend.

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#927 fierro316
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Good job TC, you spoke like a true Nintendo fan (or Ex), not those sheep that keep justifying Nintendo's atrocious E3 presentation. As a long time Nintendo fan that grew playing games like Mario 3 and a Link to the past; the announcment of the Wii Fit was a slap in the face.

There's still some hope. There's no proof that a significant ammount of elder people and women are really getting into gaming. It doesn't make sense this ridiculous marketing ploy of "Games for Non Gamers".

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#928 subrosian
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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="mojito1988"]

THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN LEAVE NINTENDO IS IN A BODYBAG!!! MWAHAHAHA!!

Just kidding anyway we will miss you but life goes on.

SambaLele



okay... we went over 900 posts without a death threat (and only one post comparing me to Hitler I guess it was time.

we live in a strange world. you get a death threat and are compared to hitler just because you made a very good point.



He was making a joke, I can only hope the person who said I was like Hitler was joking a well. In all seriousness, I'm pretty certain "free expression" is universally held as something that is a right every human being is entitled to. It's not an issue I'm going to go further into. You have the right to your opinion, I have the right to mine, and while we meet in verbal debate sometimes, that's where it ends.

We're all gamers, after all. No hitting each other with controllers here - those things have gotten crazy expensive this generation, no matter what platform you support.
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#929 Firelore29
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Ok folks this rediculous thread has been going for days and days now. Please just let it die already.
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#930 subrosian
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[QUOTE="sparkypants"][QUOTE="c-joel1121"]

Games I Would definetly buy

1. Super smash bros brawl online Sorry Dude Online isnt confirmed andthe fact they had little info at E3 dosnt help though itlook good

2. Super Mario Galaxy eh we'll see

3. Metroid Prime Corruption ok I'll take this one but its still an FPS

4. Battallion wii onlineDont Care

5. Mario Kart Wii online it is not a hardcore game and if the online is like Mario Kart DS then NO!!

6. No more heroes I need more info which Nintendo failed to give

7. Disaster Day of crisis Dont care

8. Project H.A.M.M.E.R ehh

9. Mario strikers Charged online Not hardcore and no thanks its another Mario sports game

10. Red Steel 2

11. Nitrobike online

12. Sadness

Wow man you must have been desperite if you had to use any of the last three

c-joel1121

This is just my opinionbut if this is all the Wii has to offer then Noo thanks

Sparkyman , im sure you noticed i put GAMES I WOULD DEFINETLY BUY, when they come out i would check the reviews on gamespot and ign, read stuff like that, to come to my conclusion if should buy it or not. This how nintendo works is they are very secretive, i wasn't trying to convince you or anybody just putting my opinion. If a game scheduled to come out in a long time i rather hear the news a 2month before its released, its just me. As for games like PH and DDOC nintendo is propably working their ninbutts off. yes i put nin before butt. and what



If you're making a list of games, and you write "Games I Would Definetly Buy" at the top of it, doesn't that imply that, well, you're definitely buying them. You didn't write "games I would buy, y'know, as long as they get a good review score and everyone says they're okay"...

And judging by Reggie, they've got a lot of butt to work off - now if they could have put that massive amount of work towards, say, new core IPs instead of Wii Fitness, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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#931 venomgxt
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[QUOTE="SambaLele"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="mojito1988"]

THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN LEAVE NINTENDO IS IN A BODYBAG!!! MWAHAHAHA!!

Just kidding anyway we will miss you but life goes on.

subrosian



okay... we went over 900 posts without a death threat (and only one post comparing me to Hitler I guess it was time.

we live in a strange world. you get a death threat and are compared to hitler just because you made a very good point.



He was making a joke, I can only hope the person who said I was like Hitler was joking a well. In all seriousness, I'm pretty certain "free expression" is universally held as something that is a right every human being is entitled to. It's not an issue I'm going to go further into. You have the right to your opinion, I have the right to mine, and while we meet in verbal debate sometimes, that's where it ends.

We're all gamers, after all. No hitting each other with controllers here - those things have gotten crazy expensive this generation, no matter what platform you support.

subrosian, i like you but how long are you going to keep this thread up?

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#932 sparkypants
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Poor Nintendo. What do you do? You give us your 4 BIGGEST MAIN franchises as well as BWII and Fire Emblem all in one year, yet you get accused of abandoning your core audience. You are also showing us that a Wii game can look great by actually putting effort into them.

Seriously, I feel so bad for Nintendo cause they can't win either way. With the gamecube, people got mad because Nintendo took so long to release their first party titles, and now they are giving us core gamers what we want by releasing their most hyped games in the Wii's first year, yet people are clamoring on about how they don't care about their core fanbase. Now we know Mario Kart is coming next year, and Miyamoto has said that the Animal Crossing team is hard at work making that title. He also gones on the say that we haven't seen the last of Pikmin, and how well it would work with the Wiimote. Iwata and Miyamoto were even talking about the next Zelda for the Wii. Nintendo could even bring back the Donkey Kong platformer, Kid Icarus, or even Punch Out. Nintendo has so many c-l-a-s-s-i-c franchises to fall back on that their should be enough for the core gamer.

And if you complain about Nintendo releasing their same old franchises, thenyou should complain about Capcom releasing Resident Evil 5, Konami/Kojima releasing MGS 4, Silent Hill V, Take Two/Rockstar releasing GTA IV, SE releasing FFXIII, DQIX, Kingdom Hearts 3, Bunge releasing Halo 3. Another thing is that Nintendo makes new IPs every generation, so why would this generation be any different. We already know about Disaster, and thats not a mini game or a game for non gamers. Who knows other new IPs they might have in store.

Nintendo makes the games they make because that is what they are good at. I mean why do you think we don't see SE making shooters? Why don't we see Rockstar making RPGs? Why don't we see Capcom making platformers. Why don't we see Bunge making fighers? It is because they make what they are good at by playing to their strengths, and Nintendo is no different.
peaceful_anger

1. this isnt a 'Nintendo makes the same frachises" aggument this is a thead about the fact thatNintendo is focusing more on"casuals then Hardcore"aggument read before posting.

2. I could have sworn MegaMan was a platformer

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#933 BeauRoger
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its funny how every hater and subrosian are ignoring the retributal thread that completely owns this one. its been up all day floating around the 1st page of SW, and you know they have seen it, but they just cant seem to respond:LOL: suspicious isnt it? almost makes you think that they got pretty owned by it.
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#934 c-joel1121
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Poor Nintendo. What do you do? You give us your 4 BIGGEST MAIN franchises as well as BWII and Fire Emblem all in one year, yet you get accused of abandoning your core audience. You are also showing us that a Wii game can look great by actually putting effort into them.

Seriously, I feel so bad for Nintendo cause they can't win either way. With the gamecube, people got mad because Nintendo took so long to release their first party titles, and now they are giving us core gamers what we want by releasing their most hyped games in the Wii's first year, yet people are clamoring on about how they don't care about their core fanbase. Now we know Mario Kart is coming next year, and Miyamoto has said that the Animal Crossing team is hard at work making that title. He also gones on the say that we haven't seen the last of Pikmin, and how well it would work with the Wiimote. Iwata and Miyamoto were even talking about the next Zelda for the Wii. Nintendo could even bring back the Donkey Kong platformer, Kid Icarus, or even Punch Out. Nintendo has so many c-l-a-s-s-i-c franchises to fall back on that their should be enough for the core gamer.

And if you complain about Nintendo releasing their same old franchises, thenyou should complain about Capcom releasing Resident Evil 5, Konami/Kojima releasing MGS 4, Silent Hill V, Take Two/Rockstar releasing GTA IV, SE releasing FFXIII, DQIX, Kingdom Hearts 3, Bunge releasing Halo 3. Another thing is that Nintendo makes new IPs every generation, so why would this generation be any different. We already know about Disaster, and thats not a mini game or a game for non gamers. Who knows other new IPs they might have in store.

Nintendo makes the games they make because that is what they are good at. I mean why do you think we don't see SE making shooters? Why don't we see Rockstar making RPGs? Why don't we see Capcom making platformers. Why don't we see Bunge making fighers? It is because they make what they are good at by playing to their strengths, and Nintendo is no different.
peaceful_anger
good comment, you organized your thoughts into a clarifying mini essay. how long did it take you to type that up,

you've made good arguments, why don't you check out what i type page 46 8)

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#935 sparkypants
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its funny how every hater and subrosian are ignoring the retributal thread that completely owns this one. its been up all day floating around the 1st page of SW, and you know they have seen it, but they just cant seem to respond:LOL: suspicious isnt it? almost makes you think that they got pretty owned by it.BeauRoger

Whats the thread called(ten bucks says it yours and no ones commenting on it) I be happy to check it out

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#936 subrosian
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its funny how every hater and subrosian are ignoring the retributal thread that completely owns this one. its been up all day floating around the 1st page of SW, and you know they have seen it, but they just cant seem to respond:LOL: suspicious isnt it? almost makes you think that they got pretty owned by it.BeauRoger


No offense, but that thread was awful, I took a look at it, and I absolutely felt that the TC was responding to points I never made. He pulled things out of thin air, expressed his own opinion, and then badmouthed people for speaking from the heart. It died because it was a disingenuous attempt to promote Nintendo, rather than an expression of an opinion as a gamer. At the end of the day, a lot of what comes here is from the heart.

You can be Casey_Wegner and try and use "facts" and statistics in every post, but the metrics we use in those cases do not support Nintendo just yet, the PC has been the clear winner in AAA titles for years, and the PS2's 110 million plus sales are staggering in comparisson to what anything this generation is forecast to do.

So what's left? The heart. Our thougts and feelings as gamers. I've done my best to express mine, it's not a feeling of hatred - I can hope that's why you've said "haters and subrosian", seperating me from haters, because my sentiment is one of regret, anger, and dissappointment. If I hated Nintendo, there wouldn't be an issue.
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

So you were just born a gamer? And stop saying that Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore, becaue I've proved that they aren't.

subrosian



I've already eaten his list alive, the fact that he's posting it again simply means that he's unable to accept that the titles he's listing are not core titles. I don't expect everyone to grasp what a hardcore title is, especially this generation, as so little on the Wii represents it.


....So great franchises like metroid aren't core titles?

Better yet...I see absolutely no evidence that it uses the zapper, where ever you pulled that info from.

As for mario galaxythat's a title that appeals to both hardcore and casuals.



There is no inbetween, a title is for one demographic. A hardcore gamer can play a casual title, and vice versa, but unless your title is built for the core audience, then no, it is not a core title. I went through his list already, he keeps posting his list as though it disputes the hundreds of sentiments here that Nintendo is not supporting hardcore gamers in the way they should be, and that Nintendo has abandoned us for non-gamers.

Posting Mario Strikers, Battalion Wars, Kirby, Mario Kart, and Project HAMMER as though these titles are hardcore simply solidfies my arguements. Let me put it this way - if Kirby came out on the PC, PS3, or Xbox 360, would it be considered a hardcore title? Absolutely not. So why is it suddenly acceptable to pretend that these games, which, were they to be released on any other platform, would be labeled as casual titles, as hardcore titles on a Nintendo platform?

They're not titles aimed at the hardcore demographic. If you enjoy them, that's fine, but that doesn't change who they are targeted towards.

Metroid Prime is a title aimed at hardcore gamers. As I have said, there are baubles every now and then in the garbage pile, but that does not change the overall focus of the system.

ok...what exactly make kirby un-hardcore? Have you ever played kirby's super star for the snes?

It's a platformer with action elements. This supposed genere would be considered hardcore. it's not like it's a collection of minnigames

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#938 BeauRoger
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[QUOTE="BeauRoger"]its funny how every hater and subrosian are ignoring the retributal thread that completely owns this one. its been up all day floating around the 1st page of SW, and you know they have seen it, but they just cant seem to respond:LOL: suspicious isnt it? almost makes you think that they got pretty owned by it.subrosian


No offense, but that thread was awful, I took a look at it, and I absolutely felt that the TC was responding to points I never made. He pulled things out of thin air, expressed his own opinion, and then badmouthed people for speaking from the heart. It died because it was a disingenuous attempt to promote Nintendo, rather than an expression of an opinion as a gamer. At the end of the day, a lot of what comes here is from the heart.

You can be Casey_Wegner and try and use "facts" and statistics in every post, but the metrics we use in those cases do not support Nintendo just yet, the PC has been the clear winner in AAA titles for years, and the PS2's 110 million plus sales are staggering in comparisson to what anything this generation is forecast to do.

So what's left? The heart. Our thougts and feelings as gamers. I've done my best to express mine, it's not a feeling of hatred - I can hope that's why you've said "haters and subrosian", seperating me from haters, because my sentiment is one of regret, anger, and dissappointment. If I hated Nintendo, there wouldn't be an issue.

what are you talking about? there is almost NO negative response to that thread. it only holds logic, and completely destoys all of your arguments. sure, you can claim that your feelings and opinions are different, but the "facts" you use to back them up are often missleading and untrue. that thread is praised more than this one. he take EVERY one of your arguments and makes a valid counter-point.

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#939 BeauRoger
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[QUOTE="BeauRoger"]its funny how every hater and subrosian are ignoring the retributal thread that completely owns this one. its been up all day floating around the 1st page of SW, and you know they have seen it, but they just cant seem to respond:LOL: suspicious isnt it? almost makes you think that they got pretty owned by it.sparkypants

Whats the thread called(ten bucks says it yours and no ones commenting on it) I be happy to check it out

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25772033

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#940 c-joel1121
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[QUOTE="c-joel1121"][QUOTE="sparkypants"][QUOTE="c-joel1121"]

Games I Would definetly buy

1. Super smash bros brawl online Sorry Dude Online isnt confirmed andthe fact they had little info at E3 dosnt help though itlook good

2. Super Mario Galaxy eh we'll see

3. Metroid Prime Corruption ok I'll take this one but its still an FPS

4. Battallion wii onlineDont Care

5. Mario Kart Wii online it is not a hardcore game and if the online is like Mario Kart DS then NO!!

6. No more heroes I need more info which Nintendo failed to give

7. Disaster Day of crisis Dont care

8. Project H.A.M.M.E.R ehh

9. Mario strikers Charged online Not hardcore and no thanks its another Mario sports game

10. Red Steel 2

11. Nitrobike online

12. Sadness

Wow man you must have been desperite if you had to use any of the last three

subrosian

This is just my opinionbut if this is all the Wii has to offer then Noo thanks

Sparkyman , im sure you noticed i put GAMES I WOULD DEFINETLY BUY, when they come out i would check the reviews on gamespot and ign, read stuff like that, to come to my conclusion if should buy it or not. This how nintendo works is they are very secretive, i wasn't trying to convince you or anybody just putting my opinion. If a game scheduled to come out in a long time i rather hear the news a 2month before its released, its just me. As for games like PH and DDOC nintendo is propably working their ninbutts off. yes i put nin before butt. and what



If you're making a list of games, and you write "Games I Would Definetly Buy" at the top of it, doesn't that imply that, well, you're definitely buying them. You didn't write "games I would buy, y'know, as long as they get a good review score and everyone says they're okay"...

And judging by Reggie, they've got a lot of butt to work off - now if they could have put that massive amount of work towards, say, new core IPs instead of Wii Fitness, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

definetly is a tricky word, it also means thinking, thats why there is such a word as indefinetly, and yea they got to work their butts off for PH and DDOC because they are new 1p franchises, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight :roll:
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#941 subrosian
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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

So you were just born a gamer? And stop saying that Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore, becaue I've proved that they aren't.

Shinobishyguy



I've already eaten his list alive, the fact that he's posting it again simply means that he's unable to accept that the titles he's listing are not core titles. I don't expect everyone to grasp what a hardcore title is, especially this generation, as so little on the Wii represents it.


....So great franchises like metroid aren't core titles?

Better yet...I see absolutely no evidence that it uses the zapper, where ever you pulled that info from.

As for mario galaxythat's a title that appeals to both hardcore and casuals.



There is no inbetween, a title is for one demographic. A hardcore gamer can play a casual title, and vice versa, but unless your title is built for the core audience, then no, it is not a core title. I went through his list already, he keeps posting his list as though it disputes the hundreds of sentiments here that Nintendo is not supporting hardcore gamers in the way they should be, and that Nintendo has abandoned us for non-gamers.

Posting Mario Strikers, Battalion Wars, Kirby, Mario Kart, and Project HAMMER as though these titles are hardcore simply solidfies my arguements. Let me put it this way - if Kirby came out on the PC, PS3, or Xbox 360, would it be considered a hardcore title? Absolutely not. So why is it suddenly acceptable to pretend that these games, which, were they to be released on any other platform, would be labeled as casual titles, as hardcore titles on a Nintendo platform?

They're not titles aimed at the hardcore demographic. If you enjoy them, that's fine, but that doesn't change who they are targeted towards.

Metroid Prime is a title aimed at hardcore gamers. As I have said, there are baubles every now and then in the garbage pile, but that does not change the overall focus of the system.

ok...what exactly make kirby un-hardcore? Have you ever played kirby's super star for the snes?



Yes - it's actually a game aimed at family / children audience. I happen to be a fan of Kirby, I played the first game when it came out on Gameboy, before Kirby could even absorb enemy powers - when it came out. It's a casual title. There's nothing inheriently wrong with that, but it's not what most people would consider a hardcore game.

I'll put it this way,if Kirby were being released on the Xbox 360, would teh fanbase of that system say it was "oh man, a hardcore title?" No. Nintendo fans with a softspot for these characters say "no no no, it's hardcore", when they're simply casual titles they have nostalgia for.
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#942 c-joel1121
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i was lying about the definetly it was a mistake i made in my comment to sparkypants, but going there is childish and a low blow, you must like kicking in between the legs

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#943 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

So you were just born a gamer? And stop saying that Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore, becaue I've proved that they aren't.

subrosian



I've already eaten his list alive, the fact that he's posting it again simply means that he's unable to accept that the titles he's listing are not core titles. I don't expect everyone to grasp what a hardcore title is, especially this generation, as so little on the Wii represents it.


....So great franchises like metroid aren't core titles?

Better yet...I see absolutely no evidence that it uses the zapper, where ever you pulled that info from.

As for mario galaxythat's a title that appeals to both hardcore and casuals.



There is no inbetween, a title is for one demographic. A hardcore gamer can play a casual title, and vice versa, but unless your title is built for the core audience, then no, it is not a core title. I went through his list already, he keeps posting his list as though it disputes the hundreds of sentiments here that Nintendo is not supporting hardcore gamers in the way they should be, and that Nintendo has abandoned us for non-gamers.

Posting Mario Strikers, Battalion Wars, Kirby, Mario Kart, and Project HAMMER as though these titles are hardcore simply solidfies my arguements. Let me put it this way - if Kirby came out on the PC, PS3, or Xbox 360, would it be considered a hardcore title? Absolutely not. So why is it suddenly acceptable to pretend that these games, which, were they to be released on any other platform, would be labeled as casual titles, as hardcore titles on a Nintendo platform?

They're not titles aimed at the hardcore demographic. If you enjoy them, that's fine, but that doesn't change who they are targeted towards.

Metroid Prime is a title aimed at hardcore gamers. As I have said, there are baubles every now and then in the garbage pile, but that does not change the overall focus of the system.

ok...what exactly make kirby un-hardcore? Have you ever played kirby's super star for the snes?



Yes - it's actually a game aimed at family / children audience. I happen to be a fan of Kirby, I played the first game when it came out on Gameboy, before Kirby could even absorb enemy powers - when it came out. It's a casual title. There's nothing inheriently wrong with that, but it's not what most people would consider a hardcore game.

I'll put it this way,if Kirby were being released on the Xbox 360, would teh fanbase of that system say it was "oh man, a hardcore title?" No. Nintendo fans with a softspot for these characters say "no no no, it's hardcore", when they're simply casual titles they have nostalgia for.

So? Just because it doesn't have blood, guns, orany other quality's that would be stereotypically deemed maturedoesn't mean it doesn't have any depth. Hell....even pokemon diamond/pearl has depth.

There are many games that seemed to be aimed at a wide audience but actually have depth. Smash bros being one of them

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[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]Poor Nintendo. What do you do? You give us your 4 BIGGEST MAIN franchises as well as BWII and Fire Emblem all in one year, yet you get accused of abandoning your core audience. You are also showing us that a Wii game can look great by actually putting effort into them.

Seriously, I feel so bad for Nintendo cause they can't win either way. With the gamecube, people got mad because Nintendo took so long to release their first party titles, and now they are giving us core gamers what we want by releasing their most hyped games in the Wii's first year, yet people are clamoring on about how they don't care about their core fanbase. Now we know Mario Kart is coming next year, and Miyamoto has said that the Animal Crossing team is hard at work making that title. He also gones on the say that we haven't seen the last of Pikmin, and how well it would work with the Wiimote. Iwata and Miyamoto were even talking about the next Zelda for the Wii. Nintendo could even bring back the Donkey Kong platformer, Kid Icarus, or even Punch Out. Nintendo has so many c-l-a-s-s-i-c franchises to fall back on that their should be enough for the core gamer.

And if you complain about Nintendo releasing their same old franchises, thenyou should complain about Capcom releasing Resident Evil 5, Konami/Kojima releasing MGS 4, Silent Hill V, Take Two/Rockstar releasing GTA IV, SE releasing FFXIII, DQIX, Kingdom Hearts 3, Bunge releasing Halo 3. Another thing is that Nintendo makes new IPs every generation, so why would this generation be any different. We already know about Disaster, and thats not a mini game or a game for non gamers. Who knows other new IPs they might have in store.

Nintendo makes the games they make because that is what they are good at. I mean why do you think we don't see SE making shooters? Why don't we see Rockstar making RPGs? Why don't we see Capcom making platformers. Why don't we see Bunge making fighers? It is because they make what they are good at by playing to their strengths, and Nintendo is no different.
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1. this isnt a 'Nintendo makes the same frachises" aggument this is a thead about the fact thatNintendo is focusing more on"casuals then Hardcore"aggument read before posting.

2. I could have sworn MegaMan was a platformer

Dude I read his argument which was about Nintendo abandoning their core fanbase and core gamers, and I've presented an argument that they clearly haven't.

As for this isn't a "Nintendo makes the same franchise" argument, I know that some fanboy will eventually come in here and state the games that I mentioned are just the same old same old Nintendo rehashes that they make every generation, and so I went on and thought ofa rebuttal to that.

And yeah, I quess I could have used another genre for Capcom.
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#945 iamshivy
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subrosian your first post pretty much takes the words right out of my mouth.i loved nintendo way back in the day ,but i just stoped playin with there products in the middle of the n64's and ps1 days.
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#946 subrosian
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So? Just because it doesn't have blood, guns, orany other quality's that would be stereotypically deemed maturedoesn't mean it doesn't have any depth. Hell....even pokemon diamond/pearl has depth.

There are many games that seemed to be aimed at a wide audience but actually have depth. Smash bros being one of them

Shinobishyguy


When have I *ever* said being a hardcore title was about violence, sex, or guns? Kirby is not a casual title because it lacks these, it's simply a casual title because it's a game designed for an inexperienced gamer to be able to pick up and play. That doesn't automatically make it unenjoyable. However, I don't slide it into the same demographic as hardcore titles simply because I have a nostalgic attachment to it.
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#947 NorthlandMan
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Subrosian, why are you so averse to non-games and rythm games?
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Let's be very honest here, if Nintendo wasn't doing what it's doing now, they would have gone the way of Sega. People keep whining about how Nintendo has completely abandoned the hardcore when it hasn't done any such thing. They've simply shifted some of their focus because if they hadn't they'd be where Sony and Microsoft are now, trying to make it in a limited and crowded market and while Sony and MS may have gotten by doing the same old thing, Nintendo would have surely collapsed.

I really don't understand why the hardcore are having a fit anyway, Zelda already came out, Mario, Metriod and Smash Bros are coming in the same year with an online Mario Kart right after that. On top of all that 3rd parties are contributing stuff like Zak and Wiki, Final Fantasy Crystal Bearers and No More Heroes. I swear to God, you'd think just because of Wii Fit Nintendo had annihilated all the franchises they have had for the last 30 years.

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#949 Shinobishyguy
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[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

So? Just because it doesn't have blood, guns, orany other quality's that would be stereotypically deemed maturedoesn't mean it doesn't have any depth. Hell....even pokemon diamond/pearl has depth.

There are many games that seemed to be aimed at a wide audience but actually have depth. Smash bros being one of them

subrosian



When have I *ever* said being a hardcore title was about violence, sex, or guns? Kirby is not a casual title because it lacks these, it's simply a casual title because it's a game designed for an inexperienced gamer to be able to pick up and play. That doesn't automatically make it unenjoyable. However, I don't slide it into the same demographic as hardcore titles simply because I have a nostalgic attachment to it.

...so the only hardcore games are games that have an excessively difficult interface?
Have you ever heard of the term "easy to pick up but hard to master?"

Smash bros and pokemon *the main series* falls into this catagory

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#950 LTomlinson21
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I must agree. The Wii is a becoming a huge dissapointment. Even if it does win in sales this generation, I will most likely view it as a dissapointment. Wii Fit was their biggest thing at their conference, which was a huge disgrace.