Good-Bye Nintendo

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

So? Just because it doesn't have blood, guns, orany other quality's that would be stereotypically deemed maturedoesn't mean it doesn't have any depth. Hell....even pokemon diamond/pearl has depth.

There are many games that seemed to be aimed at a wide audience but actually have depth. Smash bros being one of them

Shinobishyguy

Smash bros and pokemon *the main series* falls into this catagory

Almost every Nintendo game ever made falls into that category.

[QUOTE="sparkypants"]

[QUOTE="BeauRoger"]its funny how every hater and subrosian are ignoring the retributal thread that completely owns this one. its been up all day floating around the 1st page of SW, and you know they have seen it, but they just cant seem to respond:LOL: suspicious isnt it? almost makes you think that they got pretty owned by it.BeauRoger

Whats the thread called(ten bucks says it yours and no ones commenting on it) I be happy to check it out

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25772033

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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="BeauRoger"]its funny how every hater and subrosian are ignoring the retributal thread that completely owns this one. its been up all day floating around the 1st page of SW, and you know they have seen it, but they just cant seem to respond:LOL: suspicious isnt it? almost makes you think that they got pretty owned by it.BeauRoger

what are you talking about? there is almost NO negative response to that thread. it only holds logic, and completely destoys all of your arguments. sure, you can claim that your feelings and opinions are different, but the "facts" you use to back them up are often missleading and untrue. that thread is praised more than this one. he take EVERY one of your arguments and makes a valid counter-point.

I felt it to be alittle fanboyish if you ask me

[QUOTE="BeauRoger"][QUOTE="sparkypants"]

[QUOTE="BeauRoger"]its funny how every hater and subrosian are ignoring the retributal thread that completely owns this one. its been up all day floating around the 1st page of SW, and you know they have seen it, but they just cant seem to respond:LOL: suspicious isnt it? almost makes you think that they got pretty owned by it.sparkypants

Whats the thread called(ten bucks says it yours and no ones commenting on it) I be happy to check it out

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25772033

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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="BeauRoger"]its funny how every hater and subrosian are ignoring the retributal thread that completely owns this one. its been up all day floating around the 1st page of SW, and you know they have seen it, but they just cant seem to respond:LOL: suspicious isnt it? almost makes you think that they got pretty owned by it.BeauRoger

what are you talking about? there is almost NO negative response to that thread. it only holds logic, and completely destoys all of your arguments. sure, you can claim that your feelings and opinions are different, but the "facts" you use to back them up are often missleading and untrue. that thread is praised more than this one. he take EVERY one of your arguments and makes a valid counter-point.

I felt it to be alittle fanboyish if you ask me

that may or may not be the case, but the point is that those retributals are completely legit that mostly destroys his arguments about nintendo holding their franchises hostage, about nintendo only focusing on casuals, etc etc.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

So? Just because it doesn't have blood, guns, orany other quality's that would be stereotypically deemed maturedoesn't mean it doesn't have any depth. Hell....even pokemon diamond/pearl has depth.

There are many games that seemed to be aimed at a wide audience but actually have depth. Smash bros being one of them

Shinobishyguy

Smash bros and pokemon *the main series* falls into this catagory

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

So? Just because it doesn't have blood, guns, orany other quality's that would be stereotypically deemed maturedoesn't mean it doesn't have any depth. Hell....even pokemon diamond/pearl has depth.

There are many games that seemed to be aimed at a wide audience but actually have depth. Smash bros being one of them

Shinobishyguy

Smash bros and pokemon *the main series* falls into this catagory

I must agree. The Wii is a becoming a huge dissapointment. Even if it does win in sales this generation, I will most likely view it as a dissapointment. Wii Fit was their biggest thing at their conference, which was a huge disgrace.LTomlinson21

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

So? Just because it doesn't have blood, guns, orany other quality's that would be stereotypically deemed maturedoesn't mean it doesn't have any depth. Hell....even pokemon diamond/pearl has depth.

There are many games that seemed to be aimed at a wide audience but actually have depth. Smash bros being one of them

subrosian

Smash bros and pokemon *the main series* falls into this catagory

I must agree. The Wii is a becoming a huge dissapointment. Even if it does win in sales this generation, I will most likely view it as a dissapointment. Wii Fit was their biggest thing at their conference, which was a huge disgrace.LTomlinson21

[QUOTE="sparkypants"][QUOTE="BeauRoger"][QUOTE="sparkypants"]

[QUOTE="BeauRoger"]its funny how every hater and subrosian are ignoring the retributal thread that completely owns this one. its been up all day floating around the 1st page of SW, and you know they have seen it, but they just cant seem to respond:LOL: suspicious isnt it? almost makes you think that they got pretty owned by it.BeauRoger

Whats the thread called(ten bucks says it yours and no ones commenting on it) I be happy to check it out

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25772033

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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="BeauRoger"]its funny how every hater and subrosian are ignoring the retributal thread that completely owns this one. its been up all day floating around the 1st page of SW, and you know they have seen it, but they just cant seem to respond:LOL: suspicious isnt it? almost makes you think that they got pretty owned by it.BeauRoger

what are you talking about? there is almost NO negative response to that thread. it only holds logic, and completely destoys all of your arguments. sure, you can claim that your feelings and opinions are different, but the "facts" you use to back them up are often missleading and untrue. that thread is praised more than this one. he take EVERY one of your arguments and makes a valid counter-point.

I felt it to be alittle fanboyish if you ask me

that may or may not be the case, but the point is that those retributals are completely legit that mostly destroys his arguments about nintendo holding their franchises hostage, about nintendo only focusing on casuals, etc etc.

Loved the original post in this thread. I've been spouting off about Nintendo and the Wii since the day it came out. I'm glad to see that others, especially diehard Nintendo fans and even the gaming press (the guys at the 1upShow HATED Nintendo's conference and their direction) are "waking up".

I can't blame Nintendo for doing what they are doing - they are a business trying to make as much money for their investors as possible. They took the lessons learned from their handheld systems (the Good) and what went wrong with the Gamecube (the Bad) and made the Wii (the Ugly - imo). Good for them.

So, basically Nintendo is saying "we don't give a flying f*** about what you, the hardcore gamer and gaming press THINK we should be doing - this is what we ARE doing."

Why is it that Nintendo has gotten a "free pass" when it comes to online gaming??? This isn't 1996 here, folks, its 2007 for crying out loud. I know WHY they aren't doing squat in this area - it doesn't make any business sense to do so for the demographic that they are targeting (the casual non-gamer). But, why do we let them off the hook when it comes to this? Same thing goes with the quality of the games coming out for the Wii. Beyond Zelda and Paper Mario - has ANY game been released that wasn't (a) basically a mini-game, (b) a horrid port or (c) look like it belonged on the PS1???

The thing is - we can spout off about this stuff all we want - Nintendo doesn't give a cr*p. The audience they are targeting doesn't check gaming forums. They don't read gaming magazines (which is evident in the FACT that Nintendo declined being interviewed by EGM in their series of interviews with the "Big 3" corporate heads (Peter Moore and Jack Tretton did theirs).

[QUOTE="sparkypants"]

[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]Poor Nintendo. What do you do? You give us your 4 BIGGEST MAIN franchises as well as BWII and Fire Emblem all in one year, yet you get accused of abandoning your core audience. You are also showing us that a Wii game can look great by actually putting effort into them.

Seriously, I feel so bad for Nintendo cause they can't win either way. With the gamecube, people got mad because Nintendo took so long to release their first party titles, and now they are giving us core gamers what we want by releasing their most hyped games in the Wii's first year, yet people are clamoring on about how they don't care about their core fanbase. Now we know Mario Kart is coming next year, and Miyamoto has said that the Animal Crossing team is hard at work making that title. He also gones on the say that we haven't seen the last of Pikmin, and how well it would work with the Wiimote. Iwata and Miyamoto were even talking about the next Zelda for the Wii. Nintendo could even bring back the Donkey Kong platformer, Kid Icarus, or even Punch Out. Nintendo has so many c-l-a-s-s-i-c franchises to fall back on that their should be enough for the core gamer.

And if you complain about Nintendo releasing their same old franchises, thenyou should complain about Capcom releasing Resident Evil 5, Konami/Kojima releasing MGS 4, Silent Hill V, Take Two/Rockstar releasing GTA IV, SE releasing FFXIII, DQIX, Kingdom Hearts 3, Bunge releasing Halo 3. Another thing is that Nintendo makes new IPs every generation, so why would this generation be any different. We already know about Disaster, and thats not a mini game or a game for non gamers. Who knows other new IPs they might have in store.

Nintendo makes the games they make because that is what they are good at. I mean why do you think we don't see SE making shooters? Why don't we see Rockstar making RPGs? Why don't we see Capcom making platformers. Why don't we see Bunge making fighers? It is because they make what they are good at by playing to their strengths, and Nintendo is no different.
peaceful_anger

1. this isnt a 'Nintendo makes the same frachises" aggument this is a thead about the fact thatNintendo is focusing more on"casuals then Hardcore"aggument read before posting.

2. I could have sworn MegaMan was a platformer

Thats the problem though your assuming, no one here has done any such thing, Everyone has sequals, I think(Im not trying to get into an agument here this is just my thought)that most people feel nintendo follows the same basic formual each game. For exaple let compare OoT to TP, OoT was a big hit when it came out on the N64, when they released TP I can honstly say I was a little bit(just a little bit) disspaointed because it followed the SAME formula as OoT without adding anything noticably new. Im still kindda questioning why after 10 years later they still can get in voice acting? Parten my rant dont mean to start a fight but I think that what people mean when the say "same old". agian sorry

Having reread the topic some of it is a tad ridiculous

• Subrosian thinks that Nintendo are "harming gaming" despite the fact that the videogame industry is in tremenedous shape and we have never had it so good
• He seems to have completely skipped the DS which is the best Nintendo machine for 10 years
• He feels that stackable beams are somehow detrimental to metroid despite the fact they were in super metroid
• He seems to comparing the DS's online service to the 360's

I agree with many of the points he has made. Namely Nintendo's exploitation of their fans with the Wii, the increasing casualisation of their core franchises and the irrelevance of the Wii to gamers. But his intense dislike of non-gamers and non-games along with the melodramatic (bordering on tearful) first post makes it very hard to take a lot of what he say seriously.

You should not dismiss an entire company and all of its products just because you dislike one of them, You should not begrudge Nintendo their success with the wider market when it is so well deserved. Your dissapointment is understandable but it does not excuse the hyperbole in this thread

Oh no! Nintendo annouced WiiFit! that means they are abandoning gamers and longtime supporters! but wait they also announce Mario Kart Wii. A game that Nintendo fanboys like.... Im confused :ovenomgxt

it the [QUOTE="NorthlandMan"]

Having reread the topic some of it is a tad ridiculous

• Subrosian thinks that Nintendo are "harming gaming" despite the fact that the videogame industry is in tremenedous shape and we have never had it so good
• He seems to have completely skipped the DS which is the best Nintendo machine for 10 years
• He feels that stackable beams are somehow detrimental to metroid despite the fact they were in super metroid
• He seems to comparing the DS's online service to the 360's

I agree with many of the points he has made. Namely Nintendo's exploitation of their fans with the Wii, the increasing casualisation of their core franchises and the irrelevance of the Wii to gamers. But his intense dislike of non-gamers and non-games along with the melodramatic (bordering on tearful) first post makes it very hard to take a lot of what he say seriously.

You should not dismiss an entire company and all of its products just because you dislike one of them, You should not begrudge Nintendo their success with the wider market when it is so well deserved. Your dissapointment is understandable but it does not excuse the hyperbole in this thread

sparkypants

seriously dude STFU, every post you go into you have the habbit of bringing up the DS or PSP. This isnt a handheld conversation this is about consoles, what part of that do you not understand? please enough is enough

LOL u know some fanboy is going to report u or he will.Anyways ninty is dumbing down gms.Look at MP3 Ai and graphics.

[QUOTE="sparkypants"]it the [QUOTE="NorthlandMan"]

Having reread the topic some of it is a tad ridiculous

• Subrosian thinks that Nintendo are "harming gaming" despite the fact that the videogame industry is in tremenedous shape and we have never had it so good
• He seems to have completely skipped the DS which is the best Nintendo machine for 10 years
• He feels that stackable beams are somehow detrimental to metroid despite the fact they were in super metroid
• He seems to comparing the DS's online service to the 360's

I agree with many of the points he has made. Namely Nintendo's exploitation of their fans with the Wii, the increasing casualisation of their core franchises and the irrelevance of the Wii to gamers. But his intense dislike of non-gamers and non-games along with the melodramatic (bordering on tearful) first post makes it very hard to take a lot of what he say seriously.

You should not dismiss an entire company and all of its products just because you dislike one of them, You should not begrudge Nintendo their success with the wider market when it is so well deserved. Your dissapointment is understandable but it does not excuse the hyperbole in this thread

jujutheking

seriously dude STFU, every post you go into you have the habbit of bringing up the DS or PSP. This isnt a handheld conversation this is about consoles, what part of that do you not understand? please enough is enough

LOL u know some fanboy is going to report u or he will.Anyways ninty is dumbing down gms.Look at MP3 Ai and graphics.

I sorryz fanboys please dont report me but its true every post I go to hes there talking about the DS vs PSP even if it has nothing to do with the topic. Agian MOD, guys, anyone dont report me Im sorry

seriously dude STFU, every post you go into you have the habbit of bringing up the DS or PSP. This isnt a handheld conversation this is about consoles, what part of that do you not understand? please enough is enough

sparkypants

I can bring up what i want son. I'm a DS owner owner and i'm very happy with my purchase. It was also relevant to the this topic (which after all is discussing Nintendo's fall from grace).

Look at MP3 Ai and graphics.

jujutheking

Well actually the graphics improved and the Ai is quite challengin. read the Gamespot Hands-on

I think Nintendo started to screw up when they have'nt been able to secure Final Fantasy 7/8/9 and Metal Gear Solid on the N64.Etherninty

[QUOTE="sparkypants"]

seriously dude STFU, every post you go into you have the habbit of bringing up the DS or PSP. This isnt a handheld conversation this is about consoles, what part of that do you not understand? please enough is enough

NorthlandMan

I can bring up what i want son. I'm a DS owner owner and i'm very happy with my purchase. It was also relevant to the this topic (which after all is discussing Nintendo's fall from grace).

i bought it actually to play the massive stock of gba games i had after mine broke, and the only game i really enjoyed was brain age, which wasnt really a game

[QUOTE="sparkypants"]

seriously dude STFU, every post you go into you have the habbit of bringing up the DS or PSP. This isnt a handheld conversation this is about consoles, what part of that do you not understand? please enough is enough

NorthlandMan

I can bring up what i want son. I'm a DS owner owner and i'm very happy with my purchase. It was also relevant to the this topic (which after all is discussing Nintendo's fall from grace).

I own a DS too but you dont see me gloating about my purchase. This topic DOES have to do with nintendo, nintendo doese not mean DS, in fact this is the second time you brought up the DS in this conversation. Stick to whats on topic as will I, sorry TC but someone had to say it

[QUOTE="NorthlandMan"][QUOTE="sparkypants"]

seriously dude STFU, every post you go into you have the habbit of bringing up the DS or PSP. This isnt a handheld conversation this is about consoles, what part of that do you not understand? please enough is enough

mestizoman

I can bring up what i want son. I'm a DS owner owner and i'm very happy with my purchase. It was also relevant to the this topic (which after all is discussing Nintendo's fall from grace).

i bought it actually to play the massive stock of gba games i had after mine broke, and the only game i really enjoyed was brain age, which wasnt really a game

[QUOTE="NorthlandMan"][QUOTE="sparkypants"]

seriously dude STFU, every post you go into you have the habbit of bringing up the DS or PSP. This isnt a handheld conversation this is about consoles, what part of that do you not understand? please enough is enough

mestizoman

I can bring up what i want son. I'm a DS owner owner and i'm very happy with my purchase. It was also relevant to the this topic (which after all is discussing Nintendo's fall from grace).

i bought it actually to play the massive stock of gba games i had after mine broke, and the only game i really enjoyed was brain age, which wasnt really a game

[QUOTE="NorthlandMan"][QUOTE="sparkypants"]

seriously dude STFU, every post you go into you have the habbit of bringing up the DS or PSP. This isnt a handheld conversation this is about consoles, what part of that do you not understand? please enough is enough

sparkypants

I can bring up what i want son. I'm a DS owner owner and i'm very happy with my purchase. It was also relevant to the this topic (which after all is discussing Nintendo's fall from grace).

I own a DS too but you dont see me gloating about my purchase. This topic DOES have to do with nintendo, nintendo doese not mean DS, in fact this is the second time you brought up the DS in this conversation. Stick to whats on topic as will I, sorry TC but someone had to say it

To clarify, the Wii is Nintendo's focus and therefore, what this topic's focus should be.

let's not forget the true evil here... MICROSOFTNaiKoN9293

i think the reason this thread is so popular is bcuz:

1. it is well written

2. a bunch of if not most ppl agree with what he said

[QUOTE="NaiKoN9293"]let's not forget the true evil here... MICROSOFTct1257860

im a ds owner, and i havent found any must buys

i bought it actually to play the massive stock of gba games i had after mine broke, and the only game i really enjoyed was brain age, which wasnt really a game

mestizoman

Here's some reccomendations

• Tetris
• Picross
• PPL
• Puzzle Quest
• Gunpey
• Meteos
• Ny times crossword
• Mario vs DK2
• Ouendan 1+2 (import)
• EBA
• ElectroPlankton,
• Etrian Odyssey
• Mario and Luigi 2
• FF3
• Pokemon D+P,
• Castlevania DOS
• Castlevania POR
• Rocket Slime Adventures
• Lunar Knights,
• Advance Wars
• Anno 1701 DOS
• Age of Empires
• MPH
• Starfox
• Phoenix Wright 1-2
• Yoshis Island 2
• Kirby Canvas Curse
• NSMB DS
• Sonic Rush 1
• Mario Kart
• Animal Crossing
• Metroid Prime Pinball,
• Clubhouse Games

[QUOTE="NaiKoN9293"]let's not forget the true evil here... MICROSOFTct1257860

Ring of death anyone?

[QUOTE="NaiKoN9293"]let's not forget the true evil here... MICROSOFTct1257860

[QUOTE="ct1257860"][QUOTE="NaiKoN9293"]let's not forget the true evil here... MICROSOFTsubrosian

I picked up gaming on the N64 and became a rabbid Nintendo fan. So, when the newer consoles came out, I had to buy one. Even with the hype surrounding the GCN put out by Nintendo Power (my only gaming magazine), I chose to purchase a PS2 because of the dearth of appealing games on the aforementioned Nintendo system. Today, here I am, disbelieving that this is the same company that hooked me.

Okay, but the handheld market does not equal the console market here. I've been over my views on the DS already, and why the situation with the DS doesn't translate or compare in the same way to the situation on the Wii. I'm interested in Nintendo's vision for their console, as their is absolutely no reason their console and handheld visions could not be different.
subrosian

I'd still like to here your response to my earlier post dude. Like i said i agree with much of what you said, but there a lot of holes in your initial post

I own a DS too but you dont see me gloating about my purchase. This topic DOES have to do with nintendo, nintendo doese not mean DS, in fact this is the second time you brought up the DS in this conversation. Stick to whats on topic as will I, sorry TC but someone had to say it

sparkypants

Next time actually read my post. You cannot criticse Nintendo's performance for the past 10 years without recognizing their greatest success. The DS is an example of them pwning Sony. The DS is an example of a machine that was successful. The DS was an example of a machine that is beloved by gamers and non-gamers alike. The DS is an example of a machine that is respectful of Nintendo's key franchises. The Ds is an example of a Nintendo machine which has superior third party support both quantitatively AND qualitatively

. How is Nintendo turning its back on its long time supporters when they are releasing all their c-l-a-s-s-i-c franchises that we have been clamoring for?peaceful_anger

[QUOTE="mestizoman"]

im a ds owner, and i havent found any must buys

i bought it actually to play the massive stock of gba games i had after mine broke, and the only game i really enjoyed was brain age, which wasnt really a game

NorthlandMan

Here's some reccomendations

• Tetris
• Picross
• PPL
• Puzzle Quest
• Gunpey
• Meteos
• Ny times crossword
• Mario vs DK2
• Ouendan 1+2 (import)
• EBA
• ElectroPlankton,
• Etrian Odyssey
• Mario and Luigi 2
• FF3
• Pokemon D+P,
• Castlevania DOS
• Castlevania POR
• Rocket Slime Adventures
• Lunar Knights,
• Advance Wars
• Anno 1701 DOS
• Age of Empires
• MPH
• Starfox
• Phoenix Wright 1-2
• Yoshis Island 2
• Kirby Canvas Curse
• NSMB DS
• Sonic Rush 1
• Mario Kart
• Animal Crossing
• Metroid Prime Pinball,
• Clubhouse Games

agian stay on topic

[QUOTE="venomgxt"]Oh no! Nintendo annouced WiiFit! that means they are abandoning gamers and longtime supporters! but wait they also announce Mario Kart Wii. A game that Nintendo fanboys like.... Im confused :osubrosian

well oops i didnt know the difference between a fan of Nintendo and a Nintendo fanboy. If you want 100% effort for Hardcore games and Non-games i think you're asking too much. Not even SONY or MS are going a 100% for the Core gamers. Nintendo is doing what is needed to succeed and to expand the market.

as for Mario Kart Wii, they are not dumbing it down cause honestly i dont think theres really nothing to dumb down. Maybe easier driving because of motion sensing but thats pretty much it. Nintendo got everyone excited for this game at E3 why do you think they did that if they know that longtime gamers are going to be disappointed with this game?

Subrosian. How is Nintendo turning its back on its long time supporters when they are releasing all their c-l-a-s-s-i-c franchises that we have been clamoring for? Like I have already stated, Nintendo is releasing their 4 biggest franchises in the Wiis first year plus Fire Emblem and BWII. That right there alone should prove that they haven't forgotten about their fanbase.

Yes, hardcore gamers do represent a lot of software sales, but so do casuals, and if the so call "hardcore" are so worried about casuals killing the industry by buying casual games, then maybe yall should buy games like Okami, Viewtiful Joe, Metroid Prime, Ninja Gaiden, Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, Eternal Darkness, System Shock, Psychonauts, Beyond Good and Evil, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Pikmin, Viva Pinata, Fire Emblem, instead of drooling over GTAIV, Halo 3, and Madden. Most of the games I mentioned in that first list were hardcore games that scored extemely well, yet they sold nowhere near as well as they should have. And you can't blame casuals for these games abysmal sales because like yall say, hardcore gamers read previews and reviews, so yall knew how great these games were, and you still ignored them. Now whose fault is that?peaceful_anger

.[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]. How is Nintendo turning its back on its long time supporters when they are releasing all their c-l-a-s-s-i-c franchises that we have been clamoring for?kage_53

Too bad too I was looking foward to a new Starfox, though I dont think I want to sit though all this WiiFit and casual games in order to get that one cool game. Oh btw a new kid Icarus would have been cool too

agian stay on topic

sparkypants

I was responding to someone elses post, and do not tell me what i can and can not post

I agree as well. The gamecube was a PoS imo and I'm glad I didn't get a Wii. Theirfranchises have become stale and the company clearly doesn't care about us hardcore gamers anymore.

There couldn't have been a better place to slap all their hardcore fans in the face. Non-gamers don't even know what E3 is yet Nintendo choose to showcase their biggest sellout game yet there. Nintendo can go suck a fat one.

[QUOTE="ct1257860"][QUOTE="NaiKoN9293"]let's not forget the true evil here... MICROSOFTsubrosian

[QUOTE="peaceful_anger"]Subrosian. How is Nintendo turning its back on its long time supporters when they are releasing all their c-l-a-s-s-i-c franchises that we have been clamoring for? Like I have already stated, Nintendo is releasing their 4 biggest franchises in the Wiis first year plus Fire Emblem and BWII. That right there alone should prove that they haven't forgotten about their fanbase.

Yes, hardcore gamers do represent a lot of software sales, but so do casuals, and if the so call "hardcore" are so worried about casuals killing the industry by buying casual games, then maybe yall should buy games like Okami, Viewtiful Joe, Metroid Prime, Ninja Gaiden, Shadow of the Colossus, Ico, Eternal Darkness, System Shock, Psychonauts, Beyond Good and Evil, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Pikmin, Viva Pinata, Fire Emblem, instead of drooling over GTAIV, Halo 3, and Madden. Most of the games I mentioned in that first list were hardcore games that scored extemely well, yet they sold nowhere near as well as they should have. And you can't blame casuals for these games abysmal sales because like yall say, hardcore gamers read previews and reviews, so yall knew how great these games were, and you still ignored them. Now whose fault is that?subrosian

I agree as well. The gamecube was a PoS imo and I'm glad I didn't get a Wii. Theirfranchises have become stale and the company clearly doesn't care about us hardcore gamers anymore.

There couldn't have been a better place to slap all their hardcore fans in the face. Non-gamers don't even know what E3 is yet Nintendo choose to showcase their biggest sellout game yet there. Nintendo can go suck a fat one.

LP_beats_Led_Z

I know right. The biggiest convention in gaming history and Nintendo gives the finger to every last one of us, Nintendo what in the hell happened to you? =(