Gran Turismo 5 DAMAGE GAMEPLAY!!!

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/spielinfonews/PlayStation3/9148/1971553/Gran_Turismo_5.html

Some important stuff from that link:

- Some Parts don´t fall of.

- Car behaves different when damaged.

- Computer AI cars drive unfair, and do not take damage or slow down when the hit you.

- Only Arcade mode showed at GamesCom.

- No graphs showing what parts are damaged.

- The mirrors and windows cannot be damaged.

I think this is the 3rd or 4th time I've posted this. :|

bleehum

What does this one mean? If Im reading it right, doesnt that seem unfair to players?

[QUOTE="Delsage"]

[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"] Yeah, I saw that, too.Shattered007

[QUOTE="bleehum"]

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/spielinfonews/PlayStation3/9148/1971553/Gran_Turismo_5.html

Some important stuff from that link:

- Some Parts don´t fall of.

- Car behaves different when damaged.

- Computer AI cars drive unfair, and do not take damage or slow down when the hit you.

- Only Arcade mode showed at GamesCom.

- No graphs showing what parts are damaged.

- The mirrors and windows cannot be damaged.

I think this is the 3rd or 4th time I've posted this. :|

opex07

What does this one mean? If Im reading it right, doesnt that seem unfair to players?

There sure is a lot of sudden appreciation for damage effects after hearing so much of "you don't need damage in a racing sim anyway".

There sure is a lot of sudden appreciation for damage effects after hearing so much of "you don't need damage in a racing sim anyway".

EndorphinMaster

I don't need a red devil's food cake with chocolate icing, but I would still be happy if someone gave me one.;)

How many months did PD say it takes to model a car? I think they only completed 127 cars (damage and such) and the rest are GT4 touch ups and/or new GT5 cars without damage (and maybe interior views), because otherwise it would of taken even more time (late 2010/early 2011 release anyone?). 1000 cars with the detail PD wanted was a little ambitious me thinks. PD should of balanced detail and quantity a bit better (like 500 highly detailed cars or 1000 not so highly detailed cars), so you would get a full package instead of half of one.

How many months did PD say it takes to model a car? I think they only completed 127 cars (damage and such) and the rest are GT4 touch ups and/or new GT5 cars without damage (and maybe interior views), because otherwise it would of taken even more time (late 2010/early 2011 release anyone?). 1000 cars with the detail PD wanted was a little ambitious me thinks. PD should of balanced detail and quantity a bit better (like 500 highly detailed cars or 1000 not so highly detailed cars), so you would get a full package instead of half of one.

Gta3-fan334

You copied my theory...:evil:

You do get my point though.... right?

Let's take a look at Test Drive Unlimited. It didn't have Porsche (it had RUF just like GT), but everything else.

Do you see what's going on? This is not PD's fault.

I think I know the story about Ferrari... maybe it goes with the rest of the cars we haven't seen in GT.

1999
Kazunori: "Hey Ferrari! Do you want to see your car in a Playstation game we're making?"
Ferrari: "Are you crazy? This is a serious business. Give me lots of money or get out of here."

2009
Ferrari: "Hey Kaz! Can you please have some of our cars in your game. We'll give you your own brand new Ferrari and a free tour of our factory. You can even bring your camera and release the material. Pleeeaaaseee!"
Kazunori: "I'll think about it...."

Rikusaki

How is it not PD's fault? For the third time, if an unproven developer like Turn 10 could lock up both the Ferrari and Porsche licenses with damage for their first game, what could possibly be holding back PD (who certainly have a larger budget for GT5 than Turn 10 did for Forza 1) other than sheer arrogance?

There sure is a lot of sudden appreciation for damage effects after hearing so much of "you don't need damage in a racing sim anyway".

EndorphinMaster

[QUOTE="Gta3-fan334"]

How many months did PD say it takes to model a car? I think they only completed 127 cars (damage and such) and the rest are GT4 touch ups and/or new GT5 cars without damage (and maybe interior views), because otherwise it would of taken even more time (late 2010/early 2011 release anyone?). 1000 cars with the detail PD wanted was a little ambitious me thinks. PD should of balanced detail and quantity a bit better (like 500 highly detailed cars or 1000 not so highly detailed cars), so you would get a full package instead of half of one.

bigblunt537

You copied my theory...:evil:

Some people in this thread are being way too critical of the damage system, and not actually appreciating that some form of damage is included in the game. And by the way, this is PD's first real attempt at visual damage, so I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. ;)

Rikusaki

Damage that doesn't affect performance is worthless. Its just a visual cue.

[QUOTE="bleehum"]

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/spielinfonews/PlayStation3/9148/1971553/Gran_Turismo_5.html

Some important stuff from that link:

- Some Parts don´t fall of.

- Car behaves different when damaged.

- Computer AI cars drive unfair, and do not take damage or slow down when the hit you.

- Only Arcade mode showed at GamesCom.

- No graphs showing what parts are damaged.

- The mirrors and windows cannot be damaged.

I think this is the 3rd or 4th time I've posted this. :|

opex07

What does this one mean? If Im reading it right, doesnt that seem unfair to players?

Shouldn't be a big deal, anybody who has played Forza can tell you that the AI loves to use the P.I.T. maneuver anyway.

[QUOTE="nyctota"]

forza 3 hahahaha

sikanderahmed

overall forza 3 will beat GT5.......hahahaha

Nope considering all the time that was spent on Gran Turismo 5 unlikely

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

You do get my point though.... right?

Let's take a look at Test Drive Unlimited. It didn't have Porsche (it had RUF just like GT), but everything else.

Do you see what's going on? This is not PD's fault.

I think I know the story about Ferrari... maybe it goes with the rest of the cars we haven't seen in GT.

1999
Kazunori: "Hey Ferrari! Do you want to see your car in a Playstation game we're making?"
Ferrari: "Are you crazy? This is a serious business. Give me lots of money or get out of here."

2009
Ferrari: "Hey Kaz! Can you please have some of our cars in your game. We'll give you your own brand new Ferrari and a free tour of our factory. You can even bring your camera and release the material. Pleeeaaaseee!"
Kazunori: "I'll think about it...."

PBSnipes

How is it not PD's fault? For the third time, if an unproven developer like Turn 10 could lock up both the Ferrari and Porsche licenses with damage for their first game, what could possibly be holding back PD (who certainly have a larger budget for GT5 than Turn 10 did for Forza 1) other than sheer arrogance?

Nope considering all the time that was spent on Gran Turismo 5 unlikely

GeneralHawx

Yeah, everyone knows that quality is proportional to development time. Just look at Duke Nukem Forever and Too Human.

How is it not PD's fault? For the third time, if an unproven developer like Turn 10 could lock up both the Ferrari and Porsche licenses with damage for their first game, what could possibly be holding back PD (who certainly have a larger budget for GT5 than Turn 10 did for Forza 1) other than sheer arrogance?

PBSnipes

Ok, since you've mentioned this three times, what makes you think Microsoft didn't invest as much into Forza as Sony put into Gran Turismo? You do realize Turn 10 is an internal developer created as part of Microsoft Game Studios, right? It could actually be MS spending the big buck on this one, seeing as though it was stated during the E3 stage demo on this site, that there are "hundreds" of people just working on the car models for Forza, while PD only has about 110 employees, total.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]This will cost GT5 score wise big time. When every sim racer, almost all arcade racer and heck even games like Saints Row and GTA have damage and almost all are effected by the damage. I can not see reviewers been to kind to that fact.rybe1025

And I would like to add that 170 cars with damage is MORE cars then NFS:Shift has, more cars then DIRT 1 and DIRT 2, more cars then GRID, etc.

how is the evos front in perfect condition after slamming into the back of the subaru?????

Negotiating with automakers is slightly more difficult for PD.

Rikusaki

And how isn't that PD's fault?

[QUOTE="GeneralHawx"]

Nope considering all the time that was spent on Gran Turismo 5 unlikely

PBSnipes

Yeah, everyone knows that quality is proportional to development time. Just look at Duke Nukem Forever and Too Human.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

You do get my point though.... right?

Let's take a look at Test Drive Unlimited. It didn't have Porsche (it had RUF just like GT), but everything else.

Do you see what's going on? This is not PD's fault.

I think I know the story about Ferrari... maybe it goes with the rest of the cars we haven't seen in GT.

1999
Kazunori: "Hey Ferrari! Do you want to see your car in a Playstation game we're making?"
Ferrari: "Are you crazy? This is a serious business. Give me lots of money or get out of here."

2009
Ferrari: "Hey Kaz! Can you please have some of our cars in your game. We'll give you your own brand new Ferrari and a free tour of our factory. You can even bring your camera and release the material. Pleeeaaaseee!"
Kazunori: "I'll think about it...."

Rikusaki

How is it not PD's fault? For the third time, if an unproven developer like Turn 10 could lock up both the Ferrari and Porsche licenses with damage for their first game, what could possibly be holding back PD (who certainly have a larger budget for GT5 than Turn 10 did for Forza 1) other than sheer arrogance?

[QUOTE="GeneralHawx"]

Nope considering all the time that was spent on Gran Turismo 5 unlikely

PBSnipes

Yeah, everyone knows that quality is proportional to development time. Just look at Duke Nukem Forever and Too Human.

To be fair Too Human only really had a 3 year Dev cycle on the 360 and switched its engine right before release, and the developers over at 3D realms needed to level up their WOW accounts:P.

how is the evos front in perfect condition after slamming into the back of the subaru?????

anshuk20002

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Negotiating with automakers is slightly more difficult for PD.

PBSnipes

And how isn't that PD's fault?

Okay... lets say Kaz comes up to you and says,

"Yo, Porsche. I want yo caws in mah game."

If you were Porsche, would you do it? I wouldn't. PD should hire someone else to do the negotiating.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Negotiating with automakers is slightly more difficult for PD.

Rikusaki

And how isn't that PD's fault?

Okay... lets say Kaz comes up to you and says,

"Yo, Porsche. I want yo caws in mah game."

If you were Porsche, would you do it? I wouldn't. PD should hire someone else to do the negotiating.

He designed the dash for the Nissan GTR for goodness sakes!

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

And how isn't that PD's fault?

heretrix

Okay... lets say Kaz comes up to you and says,

"Yo, Porsche. I want yo caws in mah game."

If you were Porsche, would you do it? I wouldn't. PD should hire someone else to do the negotiating.

He designed the dash for the Nissan GTR for goodness sakes!

Simply because he's too hot. Just look at him!

They need to find a nerdy-looking guy to negotiate so they can talk about the deal instead of how hot the lead-developer is.

Ok, since you've mentioned this three times, what makes you think Microsoft didn't invest as much into Forza as Sony put into Gran Turismo? You do realize Turn 10 is an internal developer created as part of Microsoft Game Studios, right? It could actually be MS spending the big buck on this one, seeing as though it was stated during the E3 stage demo on this site, that there are "hundreds" of people just working on the car models for Forza, while PD only has about 110 employees, total.

asylumni

Simple economics. Not only does the Gran Turismo series sell significantly more copies than the Forza series, but the GT series is infinitely more important to the overall success of SCEI. Forza is a secondary franchise that at best will sell 3-4 million copies, whereas GT is the biggest Sony franchise (bar none) and at worst will sell 7 million copies (and that's a conservative estimate, the lowest selling GT title is GT2 at 9.37 million units).

So not only will a Gran Turismo title directly bring in more revenue than a Forza title (meaning SCEI can afford to spend more than MS) but as Sony's major system-seller GT will play a significant role in the sale of millions of consoles. The return on investment of a GT title (especially GT5, considering how big a boost it will be for PS3 sales) is so high that development costs are a non-issue. The same can't be said for Forza.

They need to find a nerdy-looking guy to negotiate so they can talk about the deal instead of how hot the lead-developer is.Rikusaki

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

Okay... lets say Kaz comes up to you and says,

"Yo, Porsche. I want yo caws in mah game."

If you were Porsche, would you do it? I wouldn't. PD should hire someone else to do the negotiating.

Rikusaki

He designed the dash for the Nissan GTR for goodness sakes!

Simply because he's too hot. Just look at him!

They need to find a nerdy-looking guy to negotiate so they can talk about the deal instead of how hot the lead-developer is.

Seriously though, the guy is well known in the auto industry, I don't understand why he would have trouble, he should be able to get any license he wanted.

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

Ok, since you've mentioned this three times, what makes you think Microsoft didn't invest as much into Forza as Sony put into Gran Turismo? You do realize Turn 10 is an internal developer created as part of Microsoft Game Studios, right? It could actually be MS spending the big buck on this one, seeing as though it was stated during the E3 stage demo on this site, that there are "hundreds" of people just working on the car models for Forza, while PD only has about 110 employees, total.

PBSnipes

Simple economics. Not only does the Gran Turismo series sell significantly more copies than the Forza series, but the GT series is infinitely more important to the overall success of SCEI. Forza is a secondary franchise that at best will sell 3-4 million copies, whereas GT is the biggest Sony franchise (bar none) and at worst will sell 7 million copies (and that's a conservative estimate, the lowest selling GT title is GT2 at 9.37 million units).

So not only will a Gran Turismo title directly bring in more revenue than a Forza title (meaning SCEI can afford to spend more than MS) but as Sony's major system-seller GT will play a significant role in the sale of millions of consoles. The return on investment of a GT title (especially GT5, considering how big a boost it will be for PS3 sales) is so high that development costs are a non-issue. The same can't be said for Forza.

psone n ps2 sold like 100 million though

ofcourse thats where gt goes near 10 milion

but with less consoles sold thanks to the wii, how much will gt sell this time?

i personally see it gettn 5 million after 3 years only time will tell though

Forza 3 is the "definitive racing game." :lol::lol::lol:

In gameplay, physics, graphics, features, scores, and sales: GT5 >>>Forza 3

:)

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

Ok, since you've mentioned this three times, what makes you think Microsoft didn't invest as much into Forza as Sony put into Gran Turismo? You do realize Turn 10 is an internal developer created as part of Microsoft Game Studios, right? It could actually be MS spending the big buck on this one, seeing as though it was stated during the E3 stage demo on this site, that there are "hundreds" of people just working on the car models for Forza, while PD only has about 110 employees, total.

anshuk20002

Simple economics. Not only does the Gran Turismo series sell significantly more copies than the Forza series, but the GT series is infinitely more important to the overall success of SCEI. Forza is a secondary franchise that at best will sell 3-4 million copies, whereas GT is the biggest Sony franchise (bar none) and at worst will sell 7 million copies (and that's a conservative estimate, the lowest selling GT title is GT2 at 9.37 million units).

So not only will a Gran Turismo title directly bring in more revenue than a Forza title (meaning SCEI can afford to spend more than MS) but as Sony's major system-seller GT will play a significant role in the sale of millions of consoles. The return on investment of a GT title (especially GT5, considering how big a boost it will be for PS3 sales) is so high that development costs are a non-issue. The same can't be said for Forza.

psone n ps2 sold like 100 million though

ofcourse thats where gt goes near 10 milion

but with less consoles sold thanks to the wii, how much will gt sell this time?

i personally see it gettn 5 million after 3 years only time will tell though

5 million in 3 years? Didn't the demo do 4 million in a year?

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]They need to find a nerdy-looking guy to negotiate so they can talk about the deal instead of how hot the lead-developer is.II-FBIsniper-II

Forza 3 is the "definitive racing game." :lol::lol::lol:

In gameplay, physics, graphics, features, scores, and sales: GT5 >>>Forza 3

:)

jakehouston88

So I take it you have spent countless hours with both unreleased games, and traveled into the future to look at the scores and sales figures

Impressive.

[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

Forza 3 is the "definitive racing game." :lol::lol::lol:

In gameplay, physics, graphics, features, scores, and sales: GT5 >>>Forza 3

:)

thelastguy

So I take it you have spent countless hours with both unreleased games, and traveled into the future to look at the scores and sales figures

Impressive.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

You do get my point though.... right?

Let's take a look at Test Drive Unlimited. It didn't have Porsche (it had RUF just like GT), but everything else.

Do you see what's going on? This is not PD's fault.

I think I know the story about Ferrari... maybe it goes with the rest of the cars we haven't seen in GT.

1999
Kazunori: "Hey Ferrari! Do you want to see your car in a Playstation game we're making?"
Ferrari: "Are you crazy? This is a serious business. Give me lots of money or get out of here."

2009
Ferrari: "Hey Kaz! Can you please have some of our cars in your game. We'll give you your own brand new Ferrari and a free tour of our factory. You can even bring your camera and release the material. Pleeeaaaseee!"
Kazunori: "I'll think about it...."

Rikusaki

How is it not PD's fault? For the third time, if an unproven developer like Turn 10 could lock up both the Ferrari and Porsche licenses with damage for their first game, what could possibly be holding back PD (who certainly have a larger budget for GT5 than Turn 10 did for Forza 1) other than sheer arrogance?

How people aren't upset about this I dont' understand. Do you ever get tired of making excuses for PD? The clearly aren't the developer house they used to be. I'm starting to believe they never were.

[QUOTE="asylumni"]

Ok, since you've mentioned this three times, what makes you think Microsoft didn't invest as much into Forza as Sony put into Gran Turismo? You do realize Turn 10 is an internal developer created as part of Microsoft Game Studios, right? It could actually be MS spending the big buck on this one, seeing as though it was stated during the E3 stage demo on this site, that there are "hundreds" of people just working on the car models for Forza, while PD only has about 110 employees, total.

PBSnipes

Simple economics. Not only does the Gran Turismo series sell significantly more copies than the Forza series, but the GT series is infinitely more important to the overall success of SCEI. Forza is a secondary franchise that at best will sell 3-4 million copies, whereas GT is the biggest Sony franchise (bar none) and at worst will sell 7 million copies (and that's a conservative estimate, the lowest selling GT title is GT2 at 9.37 million units).

So not only will a Gran Turismo title directly bring in more revenue than a Forza title (meaning SCEI can afford to spend more than MS) but as Sony's major system-seller GT will play a significant role in the sale of millions of consoles. The return on investment of a GT title (especially GT5, considering how big a boost it will be for PS3 sales) is so high that development costs are a non-issue. The same can't be said for Forza.

Actually, the same could be said for Forza. MS has proven that they are willing to invest billions in order to compete in this market. They looked very closely at what Sony had to offer and came forward like-for-like with the big hitters from Sony. They saw the success GT garnered and brought out their own game to try and do what Sony did, only better. MS threw billions at Xbox production, why would they limit Turn 10?

Besides, a game's sales is not an accurate indicator of how much is invested in the next iteration. For example, Madden always sells extremely well, but do you really think they invest nearly as much into each iteration as what goes into, say, Call of Duty or Mass Effect each year? There's a reason 2k and EA could get away with the discounted prices they had for a while last gen.

I've provided that the workforce of Turn 10 greatly outnumbers that of PD, what else is there that could account for PD spending so much more on the game? Licensing? Advertisement? Perhaps PD just has a better game room for their programmers? Where is this money going?

[QUOTE="thelastguy"]

[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

Forza 3 is the "definitive racing game." :lol::lol::lol:

In gameplay, physics, graphics, features, scores, and sales: GT5 >>>Forza 3

:)

Shhadow_Viper

So I take it you have spent countless hours with both unreleased games, and traveled into the future to look at the scores and sales figures

Impressive.

Once he hit super cow status they sent him into the future

Forza 3 is the "definitive racing game." :lol::lol::lol:

In gameplay, physics, graphics, features, scores, and sales: GT5 >>>Forza 3

:)

jakehouston88

Graphics? You can't even tell the difference beween the two games.

[QUOTE="anshuk20002"]

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Simple economics. Not only does the Gran Turismo series sell significantly more copies than the Forza series, but the GT series is infinitely more important to the overall success of SCEI. Forza is a secondary franchise that at best will sell 3-4 million copies, whereas GT is the biggest Sony franchise (bar none) and at worst will sell 7 million copies (and that's a conservative estimate, the lowest selling GT title is GT2 at 9.37 million units).

So not only will a Gran Turismo title directly bring in more revenue than a Forza title (meaning SCEI can afford to spend more than MS) but as Sony's major system-seller GT will play a significant role in the sale of millions of consoles. The return on investment of a GT title (especially GT5, considering how big a boost it will be for PS3 sales) is so high that development costs are a non-issue. The same can't be said for Forza.

bigblunt537

psone n ps2 sold like 100 million though

ofcourse thats where gt goes near 10 milion

but with less consoles sold thanks to the wii, how much will gt sell this time?

i personally see it gettn 5 million after 3 years only time will tell though

5 million in 3 years? Didn't the demo do 4 million in a year?

3 mill i think but 5 million is my prediction o well

The graphics in GT 5 are sorealistic it's sick!

[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

Forza 3 is the "definitive racing game." :lol::lol::lol:

In gameplay, physics, graphics, features, scores, and sales: GT5 >>>Forza 3

:)

Wubba

Graphics? You can't even tell the difference beween the two games.

OK, you must be joking.

GT5 graphics CRUSH Forza 3 graphics. FACT.

Watch the gameplay vids again.

[QUOTE="Wubba"]

[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

Forza 3 is the "definitive racing game." :lol::lol::lol:

In gameplay, physics, graphics, features, scores, and sales: GT5 >>>Forza 3

:)

jakehouston88

Graphics? You can't even tell the difference beween the two games.

OK, you must be joking.

GT5 graphics CRUSH Forza 3 graphics. FACT.

Watch the gameplay vids again.

Don't make me embarass you by linking the thread where you thought it was GT5 pics and touted them as being so great and better than Forza 3, but instead they were Forza3 pics.

Forza 3 is the "definitive racing game." :lol::lol::lol:

In gameplay, physics, graphics, features, scores, and sales: GT5 >>>Forza 3

:)

jakehouston88

Explain Scores please?

:P

[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

Forza 3 is the "definitive racing game." :lol::lol::lol:

In gameplay, physics, graphics, features, scores, and sales: GT5 >>>Forza 3

:)

The__Havoc

Explain Scores please?

[QUOTE="jakehouston88"]

[QUOTE="Wubba"]

Graphics? You can't even tell the difference beween the two games.

Wubba

OK, you must be joking.

GT5 graphics CRUSH Forza 3 graphics. FACT.

Watch the gameplay vids again.

Don't make me embarass you by linking the thread where you thought it was GT5 pics and touted them as being so great and better than Forza 3, but instead they were Forza3 pics.

i would like to see that lol

I'm getting really mad at PD, it seems like they are only working on graphics at this point. The game still seems to have "bumper car" physics, and as long as this game has been in development there is no excuse why this game shouldn't be head and shoulders above the rest in terms of physics.

All the fanboys fighting about graphics just shows most of them probably don't even play racing games, as the physics aspect of the game is what makes it truly fun for hours on end, and so far GT5 does NOT look like it's a contender in that department.

lighting or not, if cars still bump off eachother and walls like they did in GTP, I'm going to be really upset.

:P

Rikusaki

You're previous post scared me :(