Gran Turismo 5 DAMAGE GAMEPLAY!!!

[QUOTE="Shattered007"][QUOTE="-Melix-"]

Whats the point of doing damage if you are not going to do it right? What ever this game is going to flop...

Tjeremiah1988

[QUOTE="-Melix-"]

Whats the point of doing damage if you are not going to do it right? What ever this game is going to flop...

The_Game21x

This is my problem with the whole thing. GT fans love to talk about how Polyphony are perfectionists and how they wouldn't add damage to the game until they could do it perfectly.

Before I continue on, I have to give credit where credit is due. The damage modeling on the Subaru looked fantastic. There was no chassis damage but that's to be expected and so far, Forza doesn't have that either so I'm not going to begrudge them for that. The fact that doors can fall off and the hood can pop up and interfere with your view is great.

To continue with my earlier train of thought, if there are only certain cars that can be damaged and even those cars that can be damaged cannot be damaged mechanically, then it sort of goes against the whole "Polyphony Digital is comprised of perfectionists and they never half-ass anything!" idea.

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]That does hurt. I would love to see them do a Cayman.

heretrix

Now that right there is just lame.

or this:

In GT 5?

Here is a quote from GTPlanet:

"That's consistent with Yamauchi's previous comments, when he mentioned that only "race cars" could be damaged in the game. Unfortunately, he also confirmed that Porsche have chosen not to join the Gran Turismo series, signing an "exclusive arrangement" with other parties. That's strange, though, because we already know that Porsche's cars will be in both the upcomingForza 3 and Need for Speed: Shift - games made by two different publishers. It looks like the mystery surrounding Porsche and their involvement (or lack thereof) with the GT series will continue to puzzle us fans for quite some time. Perhaps, one day, we will learn the full story…"

Source

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="-Melix-"]

Whats the point of doing damage if you are not going to do it right? What ever this game is going to flop...

Rikusaki

This is my problem with the whole thing. GT fans love to talk about how Polyphony are perfectionists and how they wouldn't add damage to the game until they could do it perfectly.

Before I continue on, I have to give credit where credit is due. The damage modeling on the Subaru looked fantastic. There was no chassis damage but that's to be expected and so far, Forza doesn't have that either so I'm not going to begrudge them for that. The fact that doors can fall off and the hood can pop up and interfere with your view is great.

To continue with my earlier train of thought, if there are only certain cars that can be damaged and even those cars that can be damaged cannot be damaged mechanically, then it sort of goes against the whole "Polyphony Digital is comprised of perfectionists and they never half-ass anything!" idea.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="zero_snake99"] There is no official word of whether it not it effects the driving, so there is no need to pass it off just yet.bleehum

While watching one of the videos I noticed the car was swaying back and forth. There's this, also.

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/...Turismo_5.html

Some important stuff from that link:

- Some Parts don´t fall of.

- Car behaves different when damaged.

- Computer AI cars drive unfair, and do not take damage or slow down when the hit you.

- Only Arcade mode showed at GamesCom.

- No graphs showing what parts are damaged.

- The mirrors and windows cannot be damaged.

Here is a quote from GTPlanet:

"That's consistent with Yamauchi's previous comments, when he mentioned that only "race cars" could be damaged in the game. Unfortunately, he also confirmed that Porsche have chosen not to join the Gran Turismo series, signing an "exclusive arrangement" with other parties. That's strange, though, because we already know that Porsche's cars will be in both the upcomingForza 3 and Need for Speed: Shift - games made by two different publishers. It looks like the mystery surrounding Porsche and their involvement (or lack thereof) with the GT series will continue to puzzle us fans for quite some time. Perhaps, one day, we will learn the full story…"

Source

Rikusaki

[QUOTE="bleehum"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"] I know, which is why I used the word "if" in my post quite liberally. zero_snake99

While watching one of the videos I noticed the car was swaying back and forth. There's this, also.

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/...Turismo_5.html

Some important stuff from that link:

- Some Parts don´t fall of.

- Car behaves different when damaged.

- Computer AI cars drive unfair, and do not take damage or slow down when the hit you.

- Only Arcade mode showed at GamesCom.

- No graphs showing what parts are damaged.

- The mirrors and windows cannot be damaged.

http://www.4players.de/4players.php/spielinfonews/PlayStation3/9148/1971553/Gran_Turismo_5.html

Don't know why the link was messed up = (, had to find it on the site. Translated it through google, seems to come from the same article. They said their car pulled to the side some.

[QUOTE="bleehum"] Car behaves different when damaged.

- Computer AI cars drive unfair, and do not take damage or slow down when the hit you.

- Only Arcade mode showed at GamesCom.

- No graphs showing what parts are damaged.

- The mirrors and windows cannot be damaged.

Shattered007

EDIT: "Here, the vehicle slowly and only pulls slightly to one side." That's from the article.

[QUOTE="Shattered007"]

[QUOTE="bleehum"] Car behaves different when damaged.

- Computer AI cars drive unfair, and do not take damage or slow down when the hit you.

- Only Arcade mode showed at GamesCom.

- No graphs showing what parts are damaged.

- The mirrors and windows cannot be damaged.

EDIT: "Here, the vehicle slowly and only pulls slightly to one side." That's from the article.

[QUOTE="Shattered007"] Um, the video starts out with the car already damaged, it looks like the person playing it is just a bad driver. Why wouldn't a car slow down an any racer when you slam into the back of another car? I think the Evo keeping up with the Subura kinda shows your first statment as false. I doubt you'll see graps about damage Yeah, probably right about the mirrors and windows not being cracked.

EDIT: "Here, the vehicle slowly and only pulls slightly to one side." That's from the article.

Some people in this thread are being way too critical of the damage system, and not actually appreciating that some form of damage is included in the game. And by the way, this is PD's first real attempt at visual damage, so I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. ;)

Some people in this thread are being way too critical of the damage system, and not actually appreciating that some form of damage is included in the game. And by the way, this is PD's first real attempt at visual damage, so I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. Rikusaki

http://www.gtplanet.net/yamauchi-clarifies-questions-about-damage/

Kaz clarifies that damage will only occur on select cars. And no Porshce license. That's a bit deflating.

Wubba

[QUOTE="Wubba"]

http://www.gtplanet.net/yamauchi-clarifies-questions-about-damage/

Kaz clarifies that damage will only occur on select cars. And no Porshce license. That's a bit deflating.

rybe1025

[QUOTE="Wubba"]

http://www.gtplanet.net/yamauchi-clarifies-questions-about-damage/

Kaz clarifies that damage will only occur on select cars. And no Porshce license. That's a bit deflating.

rybe1025

[QUOTE="Wubba"]

http://www.gtplanet.net/yamauchi-clarifies-questions-about-damage/

Kaz clarifies that damage will only occur on select cars. And no Porshce license. That's a bit deflating.

rybe1025

[QUOTE="Wubba"]

http://www.gtplanet.net/yamauchi-clarifies-questions-about-damage/

Kaz clarifies that damage will only occur on select cars. And no Porshce license. That's a bit deflating.

rybe1025

Some people in this thread are being way too critical of the damage system, and not actually appreciating that some form of damage is included in the game. And by the way, this is PD's first real attempt at visual damage, so I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. ;)

Rikusaki

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Wubba"]

http://www.gtplanet.net/yamauchi-clarifies-questions-about-damage/

Kaz clarifies that damage will only occur on select cars. And no Porshce license. That's a bit deflating.

Rikusaki

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Wubba"]

http://www.gtplanet.net/yamauchi-clarifies-questions-about-damage/

Kaz clarifies that damage will only occur on select cars. And no Porshce license. That's a bit deflating.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Wubba"]

http://www.gtplanet.net/yamauchi-clarifies-questions-about-damage/

Kaz clarifies that damage will only occur on select cars. And no Porshce license. That's a bit deflating.

zero_snake99

You gotta understand that these are licenced cars and the car maker won't allow full total damage car models in any game.Shattered007

That's what Poly has been saying for over 10 years…..but NOW…. That's not true at all…The Forza series proves that is nothing but BS…

[QUOTE="Shattered007"]

You gotta understand that these are licenced cars and the car maker won't allow full total damage car models in any game.masiisam

That's what Poly has been saying for over 10 years…..but NOW…. That's not true at all…The Forza series proves that is nothing but BS…

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]This will cost GT5 score wise big time. When every sim racer, almost all arcade racer and heck even games like Saints Row and GTA have damage and almost all are effected by the damage. I can not see reviewers been to kind to that fact.rybe1025

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"] Okay, now that's going too far. The devs behind Saints Row and GTA don't even put that much time into making the car models...Rikusaki

The only purpose for GT is to try and be a sim racer that is it. Even though all they do it make a racing game they can not have damage on all cars. I am sorry but what the heck have they been doing this whole time?

Also I am not saying GTA and Saints row have done their damage near as good as games like Forza. I was just pointing out how almost all games with driving have damage now.

Seems Sony is in the mood to really unleash some ownage these past few days.

[QUOTE="Shattered007"]

You gotta understand that these are licenced cars and the car maker won't allow full total damage car models in any game.masiisam

That's what Poly has been saying for over 10 years…..but NOW…. That's not true at all…The Forza series proves that is nothing but BS…

It's not BS.

It's completely true.

The relationship between automakers and and PD is different from other developers. Why do you think only select cars have damage?

PD is still working though issues with licensing.

Sony does not entirely back Polyphony like Microsoft backs Turn10. Money is always an issue, as is exclusive deals. However, one that most people forget are negotiations & contracts.

Remember, Polyphony doesn't work like Turn10, so when Kazunori speaks with manufacturers, chances are that they don't like what they're hearing and deny Kaz. a license.

If there is one thing that always bothered me about Gran Turismo it was that it seemed like Kazunori had too much control.

Companies like Turn 10 don't have a "Dictator" type figure running the show. You see, when you have one person making too many decisions, there is bound to be a little bias, whereas with Turn 10 it is more like "well Porsche have a rich racing pedigree and are very popular, let's have them in the game".

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="Shattered007"]

You gotta understand that these are licenced cars and the car maker won't allow full total damage car models in any game.TREAL_Since

That's what Poly has been saying for over 10 years…..but NOW…. That's not true at all…The Forza series proves that is nothing but BS…

I got yea…

Like blow up……tire flying… complete destruction...

My bad then...

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"] Okay, now that's going too far. The devs behind Saints Row and GTA don't even put that much time into making the car models...Rikusaki

Rikusaki, I respect your passion for all the is Gran Turismo, but you don't have any idea what you're talking about. The problem is you're one of, if not the authority on these boards for Gran Turismo, and far too often what you say is taken as fact and used as fanboy fodder.

Just like how a track editor was going to be in GT5, but now Kaz has said they never even considered it.

Sorry, I'm not trying to pick on you but the unending fanboy rants fueled by mis-information was already bugging me, and now the massive let down from all this GT5 news, missing features, and frankly, very un-PD like game showing has totally done me in.

edit: Just so you don't mis-understand...I don't think for a second you're one of these blind fanboys, but instead a massive fan.

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="Shattered007"]

You gotta understand that these are licenced cars and the car maker won't allow full total damage car models in any game.Rikusaki

That's what Poly has been saying for over 10 years…..but NOW…. That's not true at all…The Forza series proves that is nothing but BS…

It's not BS.

It's completely true.

The relationship between automakers and and PD is different from other developers. Why do you think only select cars have damage?

PD is still working though issues with licensing.

Sony does not entirely back Polyphony like Microsoft backs Turn10. Money is always an issue, as is exclusive deals. However, one that most people forget are negotiations & contracts.

Remember, Polyphony doesn't work like Turn10, so when Kazunori speaks with manufacturers, chances are that they don't like what they're hearing and deny Kaz. a license.

If there is one thing that always bothered me about Gran Turismo it was that it seemed like Kazunori had too much control.

Companies like Turn 10 don't have a "Dictator" type figure running the show. You see, when you have one person making too many decisions, there is bound to be a little bias, whereas with Turn 10 it is more like "well Porsche have a rich racing pedigree and are very popular, let's have them in the game".

EVERYTHING you just said is SPECULATION and does not make it fact …..You of all people should not go down that road after today…

From your speculation and excuses maybe they should start working like T10…T10 have done things 4 years ago that Poly still cant get done..IMO fire the incompetent staff and replace them with management that can get the job done..

[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

[QUOTE="heretrix"]That does hurt. I would love to see them do a Cayman.

heretrix

Now that right there is just lame.

or this:

In GT 5?

I was agreeing with you :?

Just like how a track editor was going to be in GT5, but now Kaz has said they never even considered it.Wubba

had this to say:

"Nurburgring was also heavily denied until BMW Demo revelation.

And somehow I remember that particular case very good.

And I also hate when anybody calls something "crazy roumor".

Especially IGN guys.

I'll stop here."

Wait, So, there is no performance affecting damage?

Not interior exept for 170 cars?

Wait, So, there is no performance affecting damage?

Not interior exept for 170 cars?

Tobin09

[QUOTE="masiisam"]

[QUOTE="Shattered007"]

You gotta understand that these are licenced cars and the car maker won't allow full total damage car models in any game.Rikusaki

That's what Poly has been saying for over 10 years…..but NOW…. That's not true at all…The Forza series proves that is nothing but BS…

It's not BS.

It's completely true.

The relationship between automakers and and PD is different from other developers. Why do you think only select cars have damage?

PD is still working though issues with licensing.

Sony does not entirely back Polyphony like Microsoft backs Turn10. Money is always an issue, as is exclusive deals. However, one that most people forget are negotiations & contracts.

Remember, Polyphony doesn't work like Turn10, so when Kazunori speaks with manufacturers, chances are that they don't like what they're hearing and deny Kaz. a license.

If there is one thing that always bothered me about Gran Turismo it was that it seemed like Kazunori had too much control.

Companies like Turn 10 don't have a "Dictator" type figure running the show. You see, when you have one person making too many decisions, there is bound to be a little bias, whereas with Turn 10 it is more like "well Porsche have a rich racing pedigree and are very popular, let's have them in the game".

I don't see a licensing problem keeping some cars from having damage. That would make no sense to release a game and some cars get damaged and other don't. People will be racing with no damanging cars...... I guess anything is possible.

Wait, So, there is no performance affecting damage?

Not interior exept for 170 cars?

Tobin09

And here is from the article-

"The next detail Kazunori touched on was regarding damage models. I can confirm that not every car in Gran Turismo 5 will sport damage models — it will only be select sets. However, Kazunori has yet to decide on a finalized list of featured car types for damage support."

I think this is the only thing known for sure that not every car for GT will have damage.

Looking good, the track and environment are also looking amazing! I can't wait!

[QUOTE="Tobin09"]

Wait, So, there is no performance affecting damage?

Not interior exept for 170 cars?

rybe1025

And here is from the article-

"The next detail Kazunori touched on was regarding damage models. I can confirm that not every car in Gran Turismo 5 will sport damage models - it will only be select sets. However, Kazunori has yet to decide on a finalized list of featured car types for damage support."

I think this is the only thing known for sure that not every car for GT will have damage.

Yep, I hope they release all the details about the game at TGS.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

[QUOTE="Tobin09"]

Wait, So, there is no performance affecting damage?

Not interior exept for 170 cars?

bleehum

And here is from the article-

"The next detail Kazunori touched on was regarding damage models. I can confirm that not every car in Gran Turismo 5 will sport damage models - it will only be select sets. However, Kazunori has yet to decide on a finalized list of featured car types for damage support."

I think this is the only thing known for sure that not every car for GT will have damage.

Yep, I hope they release all the details about the game at TGS.

As for the rumors regarding possible track creation, Kazunori noted that "[Polyphony Digital] hasn't really thought about it." So it sounds like track creation for Gran Turismo 5 was just a rumor after all.Here is the link to the full IGN one. Not much more info though

Nice to see PD at least trying, but I can not help but feel that that is just a poor attempt. There's no paint loss and worse yet is how the car that rams into the back of the players vehicle doesn't show ANY signs of damage. Seems more like a half **** attempt so it can no longer be said that the GT series doesn't have damage. Forza's damage models even make that look like a joke and that's sad.

It's not BS.

It's completely true.

The relationship between automakers and and PD is different from other developers. Why do you think only select cars have damage?

PD is still working though issues with licensing.

Sony does not entirely back Polyphony like Microsoft backs Turn10. Money is always an issue, as is exclusive deals. However, one that most people forget are negotiations & contracts.

Remember, Polyphony doesn't work like Turn10, so when Kazunori speaks with manufacturers, chances are that they don't like what they're hearing and deny Kaz. a license.

If there is one thing that always bothered me about Gran Turismo it was that it seemed like Kazunori had too much control.

Companies like Turn 10 don't have a "Dictator" type figure running the show. You see, when you have one person making too many decisions, there is bound to be a little bias, whereas with Turn 10 it is more like "well Porsche have a rich racing pedigree and are very popular, let's have them in the game".

Rikusaki

Why would would PD's relationship with manufacturers be any different than Turn 10's? If anything, one would expect PD to be on better terms with the industry, considering they've been around longer, their games reach a significantly larger audience (ie better marketing opprotunities) and Yamauchi himself has even worked with Nissan. If a no-name upstart like Turn 10 could work through all these potential licensing issues back in 2003-2005, I fail to see why PD would have any trouble whatsoever.

And how could money possibly be an issue? PD has sold nearly 4 million copies of a goddamn glorified demo, and GT5 -- the biggest PS3 exclusive, bar none -- is as close to a guaranteed 7+ million seller as you can get. You could sink over a $100 million into the game and still turn a tidy profit, nevermind the increase in PS3 sales that will accompany GT5's release. If GT5 is being held back due to budget constraints, PD and SCEI have wayyyy bigger problems than licensing issues.

As for Yamauchi speaking with manufacturers, there isn't anything to discuss. All Yamauchi has to do is say "we want the same deal as Turn 10, here's a blank cheque."

The fact of the matter is, GT5's problem has nothing to do with licensing or funding or anything of that nature. The problem is Yamauchi & Co. have their heads so far up their asses they haven't realized the rest of the industry has already lapped them (awful pun).