Gran Turismo V's Forza

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]

[QUOTE="FancyKetchup25"]I hate both of them, all the stuff is cool but you cant take a turn going like even 30 or you crash, i just hate that.FancyKetchup25

Perfect example of someone who plays arcade racers where braking is not required (Ridge Racer, Burnout Series). Your correct sir, in GT and Forza, you wont be doing 400mph around 90 degree turns you have to SLOW DOWN first... :shock:

No dude screw 400 mpg, you cant go 40 around a turn in a damn ferrari. it seems unrealistic to me.

that depends how sharp the turn is...

[QUOTE="FancyKetchup25"][QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]

[QUOTE="FancyKetchup25"]I hate both of them, all the stuff is cool but you cant take a turn going like even 30 or you crash, i just hate that.marklarmer

Perfect example of someone who plays arcade racers where braking is not required (Ridge Racer, Burnout Series). Your correct sir, in GT and Forza, you wont be doing 400mph around 90 degree turns you have to SLOW DOWN first... :shock:

No dude screw 400 mpg, you cant go 40 around a turn in a damn ferrari. it seems unrealistic to me.

that depends how sharp the turn is...

Even ones that arent sharp at all that is the case.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]

[QUOTE="FancyKetchup25"]I hate both of them, all the stuff is cool but you cant take a turn going like even 30 or you crash, i just hate that.FancyKetchup25

Perfect example of someone who plays arcade racers where braking is not required (Ridge Racer, Burnout Series). Your correct sir, in GT and Forza, you wont be doing 400mph around 90 degree turns you have to SLOW DOWN first... :shock:

No dude screw 400 mpg, you cant go 40 around a turn in a damn ferrari. it seems unrealistic to me.

you can totally do it, you just have to know how - that's kinda the point of racing simulations, you have to -- you know -- learn.

if all you've ever done is race NFS racers, or other arcade racers, then yes -- it will seem difficult, but it's not unrealistic in the least.

try taking a ferrari around a tight corner at 40mph in real life and nailing it first try without learning how the car handles- i'll be the guy in the stands with the huge beer laughing my ass off at you as you smash off the rear bumper ;)

GT

- better cars

- more cars

- better tracks

- better graphics

- more realistic driving ( in real life you dont go around the streets crashing into other cars so thats why GT has no damage )

- more options

- longer game

FORZA

- ugly custom paint jobs

- cartoony plastic graphics

- damage, :lol:pointless reallly since the aim of the game is to come 1st, which would mean any decent player wouldnt crash at all

-MoOkS-

You are a failure.

[QUOTE="-MoOkS-"]

GT

- better cars

- more cars

- better tracks

- better graphics

- more realistic driving ( in real life you dont go around the streets crashing into other cars so thats why GT has no damage )

- more options

- longer game

FORZA

- ugly custom paint jobs

- cartoony plastic graphics

- damage, :lol:pointless reallly since the aim of the game is to come 1st, which would mean any decent player wouldnt crash at all

tmatte

You are a failure.

indeed - he's been banned. again. was twinblades ban-dodging account ;) he was foolish enough to put his PSN tag in his sig, heh.

[QUOTE="Magical_Zebra"]

[QUOTE="FancyKetchup25"]I hate both of them, all the stuff is cool but you cant take a turn going like even 30 or you crash, i just hate that.FancyKetchup25

Perfect example of someone who plays arcade racers where braking is not required (Ridge Racer, Burnout Series). Your correct sir, in GT and Forza, you wont be doing 400mph around 90 degree turns you have to SLOW DOWN first... :shock:

No dude screw 400 mpg, you cant go 40 around a turn in a damn ferrari. it seems unrealistic to me.

Two things your doing wrong. Either the tires havent warmed up yet or your going to damn fast.

[QUOTE="neo786"]cant really judge until Gran Turismo 5 is outmarklarmer

why, were there no GT games before it? READ THE TOPIC.

forza 2 is next gen...

[QUOTE="-wii60-"]

[QUOTE="-MoOkS-"]GT, forza should be compared to the need for speed series not GTChiChiMonKilla

:| please explain why..

Oh yea and I guess the most realistic physics engine in any racing game just didn't matter and wasn't the main selling point of the game (not graphcis).

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]

[QUOTE="neo786"]cant really judge until Gran Turismo 5 is outneo786

why, were there no GT games before it? READ THE TOPIC.

forza 2 is next gen...

yeah, your right actually, GT:HD wasnt next-gen in any way.

roughly about 7 cars? can i count a demo as a game?

[QUOTE="-wii60-"]

[QUOTE="-MoOkS-"]GT, forza should be compared to the need for speed series not GTlegalize3

:| please explain why..

gt is the only ''game'' actually its not a game but a real life simulatorthat comes close to how people brake, gas, hadnbrake, steer, make a turn, spin, drag etc in real life

in short if you wanna have fun race win the race you take forza..

if you wanna have a feel how a real ife car react you take GT...

Lol okay have you played Forza 2 and GTA:HD yet? In GTA you car can not even get any performance losses from doing specific things (like blowing out your engine). Also the part about customizing your cars is the worst example I can think of. Obviously you barely no anything about the true racing scene, because they actually have those stickers to promote their sponsors and the spoilers actually effects the performance of your car.

I'm not saying GT is crude (it was my first racing game series that I liked and 2nd game I owned on my PS2 when I was younger), but to say Forza 2 should be compared to NFS series is just assiniying (sorry 4 spelling) and pure fanboyism.

[QUOTE="-wii60-"]

[QUOTE="-MoOkS-"]GT, forza should be compared to the need for speed series not GTlegalize3

:| please explain why..

gt is the only ''game'' actually its not a game but a real life simulatorthat comes close to how people brake, gas, hadnbrake, steer, make a turn, spin, drag etc in real life

in short if you wanna have fun race win the race you take forza..

if you wanna have a feel how a real life car react you take GT...

react to what? bouncing off other cars and walls

I hate both of them, all the stuff is cool but you cant take a turn going like even 30 or you crash, i just hate that.FancyKetchup25

[QUOTE="FancyKetchup25"]I hate both of them, all the stuff is cool but you cant take a turn going like even 30 or you crash, i just hate that.brownwhale

if uve driven a car u wud realise how different gran turismo and forza are to the real thing....

[QUOTE="neo786"]cant really judge until Gran Turismo 5 is outmarklarmer

why, were there no GT games before it? READ THE TOPIC.

I hate both of them, all the stuff is cool but you cant take a turn going like even 30 or you crash, i just hate that.FancyKetchup25

[QUOTE="FancyKetchup25"]I hate both of them, all the stuff is cool but you cant take a turn going like even 30 or you crash, i just hate that.lowe0

Fastest I have been able to take the corkscrew on laguna seca and still keep control of my car was about 42 mph with the Corvette C6 race Car. Once I got to the bottom of the corkscrew my back end fish tailed out to the left because I carried tooo much speed into the corkscrew. My back end slid just a lil bit into the gravel, but I managed to counter steer and regain control of the car just prior to the left turn. So the problem aint the game, its your driving skills. :shock:

sure you can race but the main thing is simulate real life

legalize3

Does GT has damage model? If not then how does it simulate real life?

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]

OMG do not even try and make fun of Forza's damage. It is a joke for GT to even be thought of as a sim racer with no damage at all. Even games like Saint's Row and Crackdown had damage that effected driving and GT can not do that. What a joke of a simulater driving game GT is.legalize3

look buddy gT is not a crash game ill buy burnout for that

PD said if the yadd crash they wanna add it as realistic as possible not forza like...

look im not bashing foza its a fun game to get to the finish 1st

GT si all about how it ''should'' feel when drining a ferrari

your point is not valid when you compare it with burnout. If damage model can install a fear factor in the drivers then I think they will be motivated to run a clean race. And I think "clean" overtaking for e.g. is much more fun and requires much more skills than just barging through the opponents. And that is what I think will make "the race" more realistic. Regarding "handling" I dont know, yet, which one is realistic (I will buy a ps2 soon).

[QUOTE="legalize3"][QUOTE="rybe1025"]

OMG do not even try and make fun of Forza's damage. It is a joke for GT to even be thought of as a sim racer with no damage at all. Even games like Saint's Row and Crackdown had damage that effected driving and GT can not do that. What a joke of a simulater driving game GT is.dk_2007

look buddy gT is not a crash game ill buy burnout for that

PD said if the yadd crash they wanna add it as realistic as possible not forza like...

look im not bashing foza its a fun game to get to the finish 1st

GT si all about how it ''should'' feel when drining a ferrari

your point is not valid when you compare it with burnout. If damage model can install a fear factor in the drivers then I think they will be motivated to run a clean race. And I think "clean" overtaking for e.g. is much more fun and requires much more skills than just barging through the opponents. And that is what I think will make "the race" more realistic. Regarding "handling" I dont know, yet, which one is realistic (I will buy a ps2 soon).

Damage does make the game a little more fun, however while playing online, getting first place is based on pure luck most of the time when half the people dont know how to drive.

no way!!! Online people always raced pretty clean whenever I played? Yeah there is a bit of knocking and bumping, but thats all part of racing! People don't smash into you on purpose, because just like in real life, they will come off bad from it as well!

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[QUOTE="-MoOkS-"]GT, forza should be compared to the need for speed series not GTlegalize3

:| please explain why..

gt is the only ''game'' actually its not a game but a real life simulatorthat comes close to how people brake, gas, hadnbrake, steer, make a turn, spin, drag etc in real life

in short if you wanna have fun race win the race you take forza..

if you wanna have a feel how a real ife car react you take GT...

O'RLY?? yeah forza on the xbox is sooo unrealistic using trigger springs for brakes and acceleration ... i mean in real life we use the X button in a car to go, and square button to stop right? ...... go figure dude!

[QUOTE="legalize3"]

[QUOTE="angryfodder"]

Yes I agree - I also think GT's graphics look more real, if that makes sense.rybe1025

its notthe graphics its more the way the car reactlike it should be in ''real life''

Bumper cars > real cars. You get to hit people and not pay tons of money in damages ;P

No Car Damage = Bumper Car Physics = Last Generation.

To all those who stupidly believe GT has better physics than Forza..

Forza 2's physics engine ran at 3x that of GT4's.

[QUOTE="legalize3"]

sure you can race but the main thing is simulate real life

dk_2007

Does GT has damage model? If not then how does it simulate real life?

Errr, dashboard view!!!

[QUOTE="legalize3"][QUOTE="-wii60-"]

[QUOTE="-MoOkS-"]GT, forza should be compared to the need for speed series not GTTurboGuru

:| please explain why..

gt is the only ''game'' actually its not a game but a real life simulatorthat comes close to how people brake, gas, hadnbrake, steer, make a turn, spin, drag etc in real life

in short if you wanna have fun race win the race you take forza..

if you wanna have a feel how a real ife car react you take GT...

O'RLY?? yeah forza on the xbox is sooo unrealistic using trigger springs for brakes and acceleration ... i mean in real life we use the X button in a car to go, and square button to stop right? ...... go figure dude!

May I remind you about a certain scene in Men in Black 2, relating to that comment?

Actually i never owned a Ferrari, but i used to drive a Porsche for about 2 years.

And believe me, it feels nothing like GranTourismo. Your points are plain stupid, legalize. Did you ever sit in a Sportscar? They dont nearly react like those videogame ones. Even your "second real life" GT is no exception.

Despite, Forza is about the same as realsim goes. Its probably not 100% real life, but its as close as GT for sure.

So, take a deep look at your avatar and think about posting again, when you dont even have the slightest clue. Btw, you actually contradict yourself concerning the point you made about car-damage.

Last time i saw a race, crashes and damage wasnt the main part of it.

Actually, if you really want to play a simulation, go buy a PC and play GTR2 its as close as reality as it gets. GT is not a simulation, even if this word is in its subtitle.

But hey, as you believe everything someone says and obviously not even own a drivers license (well, i guess that from your post) you'll probably believe me if i say:

"I crashed that named Porsche with 50 in a wall ... it was wrecked totally."

You really want damage like that in a game? You couldnt eben realize online play with that.

Next time, please think of your posts and if you're really sure about what you are writing is true. (Man, why did i even read his posts)

klausklaus

[QUOTE="klausklaus"]

Actually i never owned a Ferrari, but i used to drive a Porsche for about 2 years.

And believe me, it feels nothing like GranTourismo. Your points are plain stupid, legalize. Did you ever sit in a Sportscar? They dont nearly react like those videogame ones. Even your "second real life" GT is no exception.

Despite, Forza is about the same as realsim goes. Its probably not 100% real life, but its as close as GT for sure.

So, take a deep look at your avatar and think about posting again, when you dont even have the slightest clue. Btw, you actually contradict yourself concerning the point you made about car-damage.

Last time i saw a race, crashes and damage wasnt the main part of it.

Actually, if you really want to play a simulation, go buy a PC and play GTR2 its as close as reality as it gets. GT is not a simulation, even if this word is in its subtitle.

But hey, as you believe everything someone says and obviously not even own a drivers license (well, i guess that from your post) you'll probably believe me if i say:

"I crashed that named Porsche with 50 in a wall ... it was wrecked totally."

You really want damage like that in a game? You couldnt eben realize online play with that.

Next time, please think of your posts and if you're really sure about what you are writing is true. (Man, why did i even read his posts)

orangeonxbox

QFT. Both of you.

These games bill themselves as realistic simulators, but neither one is a completely realistic approximation of what it feels like to put the pedal to the floor in any one of either game's cars. I don't have any experience driving some of the cars you see in these games like your mid engined supercars and the like so I can't attest to which game does it better, but playing with a steering wheel is almost a must in both cases.

the poll currently stands at 58% GT 43% Forza.....thats a total of 101% lol

WTF!!!???

QFT. Both of you.

These games bill themselves as realistic simulators, but neither one is a completely realistic approximation of what it feels like to put the pedal to the floor in any one of either game's cars. I don't have any experience driving some of the cars you see in these games like your mid engined supercars and the like so I can't attest to which game does it better, but playing with a steering wheel is almost a must in both cases.

The_Game21x

GT and Forza is only marketed as beinga realistic driving simulation. But it still is not accurate. Driving a real car by whatever the model and make may be is different. Driving a real car is different.

In order to experience a true simulation, you atleast need a hydrolic system. The acceleration process of each car is always perfect. In reality, cars vary from day to day in performance.

Most people don't ever properly race in videogames.The term simulation for gamers is just a word. Instead, all that can be done is cheat and misguide the AI, instead of passing the positions of the AI accordingly as done in real life situations.

GT, forza should be compared to the need for speed series not GT-MoOkS-

ummm.... please tell me you were just joking. Please tell me that

The only thing that worries me is that I think alot of people that have voted/commented have not really played the games they are voting/commenting against

I voted Forza, and I don't mind people having a difference of opinion and voting GT, but it annoys me a bit when they back their reason up with complete rubbish

Forza has damage modelling, therefore better.Gangans

I'd agree that the damage modeling in Forza 2 is one of the major features. Its cool but not extremely in-depth. But what really gets me pumped about Forza 2 over previous GT games is the livery design feature. There are some insanely talented people out there and they're designing cars for Forza 2.

I consider both the livery design and damage modeling as major next-gen features and basically, the Gran Turismo series is dead to me without those two features.

As Forza and GT is coming up quite a bit, I think i'll bump the poll - GT is still winning

Its very close though, and I think the fact that Forza is holding its own against the unmoveable force that GT has been speaks volumes

You want real sim racing it's on pc the end, GT and FM are fun but not sims.BrooklynBomber

yeah...pc's also have great train simulators too I hear....good times....

[QUOTE="freshfighter83"][QUOTE="legalize3"][QUOTE="-wii60-"]

[QUOTE="-MoOkS-"]GT, forza should be compared to the need for speed series not GTlegalize3

:| please explain why..

gt is the only ''game'' actually its not a game but a real life simulatorthat comes close to how people brake, gas, hadnbrake, steer, make a turn, spin, drag etc in real life

in short if you wanna have fun race win the race you take forza..

if you wanna have a feel how a real ife car react you take GT...

Sorry. I'm a big fan of the GT series but Forza is harder. With all assists of, and high A.I. Forza is hard, one bad mistake and it's race over.

im pretty sure your not a gt fan you would know the difference

like i said gt is not a race game its a real life simulator thats the difference

sure you can race but the main thing is simulate real life

[QUOTE="Gangans"]Forza has damage modelling, therefore better.Corvin

I'd agree that the damage modeling in Forza 2 is one of the major features. Its cool but not extremely in-depth. But what really gets me pumped about Forza 2 over previous GT games is the livery design feature. There are some insanely talented people out there and they're designing cars for Forza 2.

I consider both the livery design and damage modeling as major next-gen features and basically, the Gran Turismo series is dead to me without those two features.