Halo 3 >>>> all PC shooters.

I still think this is the best shooter of all time.

So simple, yet oh so fun.

I keep hearing people saying Half Life is better but that game is old and therefore outdated compared to modern games like Halo 3.

dracula_16

Older games can whip newer games' asses and some still are.

Ok then, what is it that sets Halo apart, that makes it so unique that its leagues beyond all the PC shooters? Save films, shields, forge? There isn't a hair of originality in the entire series. Those all came from PC shooters. Halo is a good game, probably one of the best console shooters ever alongside Goldeneye 64, but better than the true bread and butter of the FPS genre, the PC? Don't even try to kid yourself.Vandalvideo

You are so biased it's unbelieveable. I think I will take Gamespot's facts over your opinion.dracula_16

I added to my post.

And I'm probably alot less-biased than yourself. Seeing as how my Xbox and Xbox 360 purchases were almost exclusively for Halo 1, 2, and 3. (Mass Effect is the only other major reason I got a 360.)

Gamespot's reviewer opinions do not constitute "facts." But I will concede they carry more weight in System Wars since we are posting on Gamespot's forums, after all. Such are the rules of System Wars, unfortunately.

I don't understand why people feel the need to insult me to get their point across like calling my reading comprehension flawed, saying that I never pased grade 2 etc.

My feelings are hurt. :(

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]It also is known for the oustanding story and multiplayer. dracula_16

For console shooters, sure.

You are so biased it's unbelieveable. I think I will take Gamespot's facts over your opinion.

How about I use IGN AU's "Facts" like

"While we've had some fantastically fun sessions, it just doesn't grip me in the same way as an Unreal Tournament or a Call of Duty 4"

and

"Perhaps I'm underwhelmed because I've been spoilt by the amazingTeam Fortress 2 beta"

and

"If you're a Halo or Halo 2 multiplayer whore you may feel differently, as the Campaign will be the icing on a delicious multiplayer cake stuffed with maps, modes, replays and options galore, but for me the actual gameplay itself - potential aside - simply doesn't warrant a 9."

and

"Halo 3 will still sell more copies in the first second of release than all of the games ever created in the history of electronic entertainment combined. But does that make it the best game on the 360? I think not. "

There you have it, its not even the best game on the 360 and thats a "fact" according to IGN AU. Shut up TC, while you still can...

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]I find it funny how someon can actually believe that Halo 3 is better then 20 years of PC shooters.. it just sounds so dumbdracula_16

Well the reason it sounds dumb toyou is because I'm saying what lots of people have been thinking. I just like to discuss game and yet I'm being told that I'm dumb several times in this thread. What am I supposed to think of that?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Ok then, what is it that sets Halo apart, that makes it so unique that its leagues beyond all the PC shooters? Save films, shields, forge? There isn't a hair of originality in the entire series. Those all came from PC shooters. Halo is a good game, probably one of the best console shooters ever alongside Goldeneye 64, but better than the true bread and butter of the FPS genre, the PC? Don't even try to kid yourself.hello12367890

And that's all that really counts.

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]It states that every platform has it's own set of standards.... You shouldn't directly compare two games from different platforms because of different standards, duh. :roll:coolviper2003

It also says that an outstanding game is an outstanding game on any platform. So this nonsense that Halo 3 would only score an 8 or whatever if it was a PC game needs to stop.

Who knows? Why does it even matter anyway? Either way it's an outstanding game.

How about I use IGN AU's "Facts" like

"While we've had some fantastically fun sessions, it just doesn't grip me in the same way as an Unreal Tournament or a Call of Duty 4"

and

"Perhaps I'm underwhelmed because I've been spoilt by the amazingTeam Fortress 2 beta"

and

"If you're a Halo or Halo 2 multiplayer whore you may feel differently, as the Campaign will be the icing on a delicious multiplayer cake stuffed with maps, modes, replays and options galore, but for me the actual gameplay itself - potential aside - simply doesn't warrant a 9."

and

"Halo 3 will still sell more copies in the first second of release than all of the games ever created in the history of electronic entertainment combined. But does that make it the best game on the 360? I think not. "

There you have it, its not even the best game on the 360 and thats a "fact" according to IGN AU. Shut up TC, while you still can...

horrowhip

Exactly. This is a good example of how flawed his stance on professional reviews constituting "fact" is.

Horrowhip I hope you know for future reference that I don't reply to people who make personal attacks on me by telling me to "shut up" and other silly things. Your posts are futile.dracula_16

That is nothing compared to what he said.... Hao 1 gameplay is more refined than 3 !

lol

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]It also is known for the oustanding story and multiplayer. dracula_16

For console shooters, sure.

You are so biased it's unbelieveable. I think I will take Gamespot's facts over your opinion.

... Like you're 100% unbias? OH WAIT! it says "100% unbiased gamer" in your signature... So it MUST be true... amirite?

Also... You say "I think I will take Gamespot's facts over your opinion." just because they review the games doesn't make their OPINIONS facts... Just opinions which are USUALLY unbias, and are USUALLY reliable. And BTW, in your original post, you say how New games > old games. Well lemme just say one thing... NO CRAP! I don't know if you've ever experienced this, but there is something called nostalgia...

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]It states that every platform has it's own set of standards.... You shouldn't directly compare two games from different platforms because of different standards, duh. :roll:TyrantDragon55

It also says that an outstanding game is an outstanding game on any platform. So this nonsense that Halo 3 would only score an 8 or whatever if it was a PC game needs to stop.

Who knows? Why does it even matter anyway? Either way it's an outstanding game.

Because the TC is saying that it is the FPS of all time...

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]CE had a better story, more refined gameplay, less repetative feel, and overall much better game. ANY Halo fan would agree CE >>>> 3. ANY Halo fan...Forza_2

Hilarious. More refined gameplay ? Halo 1 had such boring weapons it doesn't even come close to Halo 3. Deployable items, cooler vehicles, dual-wielding and more grenade types. Not to mention Multiplayer being 100 times better in any way possible.

All of Halo 3's weapon originated from its predecessors so I dont really see how you can be amazed with Halo 3's weaponry and think of Halo 1's weaponsas boring.Now im going to statemy personal opinion,Halo's singleplayer blows away both Halo2 and Halo 3 in fun factor, it's story is way better then it's sequel now to be more exact Halo's campaign had a much more open-ended feel compared to the small strict linear corridor battles Halo 2 and half of what Halo 3 had, Halo had much more exciting sequences and was overall just more fun. Also yes, I actually did have more fun in multiplayer too even though the pistol was kind of unbalanced (System link FTW).

Well, I use Gamespot's ratings as proof because I know they are unbiased and they state things that milllions agree with every day.dracula_16

WOW, once again EVERYONE is bias in one way or another. You don't think the editors have a favorite console, or a favorite genre, or a favorite game? And gamespot doesn't get millions of hits a day.

Well, I use Gamespot's ratings as proof because I know they are unbiased and they state things that milllions agree with every day.dracula_16

[QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"][QUOTE="coolviper2003"][QUOTE="TyrantDragon55"]

[QUOTE="coolviper2003"]It states that every platform has it's own set of standards.... You shouldn't directly compare two games from different platforms because of different standards, duh. :roll:Kahuna_1

It also says that an outstanding game is an outstanding game on any platform. So this nonsense that Halo 3 would only score an 8 or whatever if it was a PC game needs to stop.

Who knows? Why does it even matter anyway? Either way it's an outstanding game.

Because the TC is saying that it is the FPS of all time...

And that's his opinion, what are you accomplishing by argueing with him? I'd think it would be obvious by now that there's no changing his mind on that.

Well, I use Gamespot's ratings as proof because I know they are unbiased and they state things that milllions agree with every day.dracula_16

You're missing the point. When it comes down to it, Gamespot's reviews are opinionated. It doesn't matter how many people agree with their ratings..what matters is YOUR opinion and YOUR enjoyment of the game.

Stop trying to convert people who don't like the franchise, or don't appreciate it as much as yourself. Stop saying "x game is the best game EVER." It's pointless. Reviews are simply a guideline to let people know what they're getting in to before they purchase a game. They aren't the final word on how good a game is, as that's completely open to the individual gamer to decide. You can't use them as a basis to make these obnoxious claims.

Well, I use Gamespot's ratings as proof because I know they are unbiased and they state things that milllions agree with every day.dracula_16

million of people agrees that halo is a better game then all pc shooters? lol how about the even larger population of people who accuatly played pc shooters and think otherwise

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Well, I use Gamespot's ratings as proof because I know they are unbiased and they state things that milllions agree with every day.Velocitas8

You're missing the point. When it comes down to it, Gamespot's reviews are opinionated. It doesn't matter how many people agree with their ratings..what matters is YOUR opinion and YOUR enjoyment of the game.

Stop trying to convert people who don't like the franchise, or don't appreciate it as much as yourself. Stop saying "x game is the best game EVER." It's pointless. Reviews are simply a guideline to let people know what they're getting in to before they purchase a game. They aren't the final word on how good a game is, as that's completely open to the individual gamer to decide. You can't use them as a basis to make these obnoxious claims.

Well, I know what not everyone is going to agree with me and that's fine but I just think that if PC shooters were better than there would be more than one that scored a 9.5 to match Halo 3.

Well, GrachimPro this thing is that I started this thread to discuss Halo 3, not trying to convert people to console gaming.dracula_16

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Well, I use Gamespot's ratings as proof because I know they are unbiased and they state things that milllions agree with every day.dracula_16

You're missing the point. When it comes down to it, Gamespot's reviews are opinionated. It doesn't matter how many people agree with their ratings..what matters is YOUR opinion and YOUR enjoyment of the game.

Stop trying to convert people who don't like the franchise, or don't appreciate it as much as yourself. Stop saying "x game is the best game EVER." It's pointless. Reviews are simply a guideline to let people know what they're getting in to before they purchase a game. They aren't the final word on how good a game is, as that's completely open to the individual gamer to decide. You can't use them as a basis to make these obnoxious claims.

Well, I know what not everyone is going to agree with me and that's fine but I just think that if PC shooters were better than there would be more than one that scored a 9.5 to match Halo 3.

All of Halo 3's weapon originated from its predecessors so I dont really see how you can be amazed with Halo 3's weaponry and think of Halo 1's weaponsas boring.

Zero_Fate_

Is that a joke ? Halo had what... about 7 weapons (pistol, plasma pistol, AR, Snipers, that plasma weapon, rocket launcher and shotgun) and no dual-wielding.

Of course, most of the time in the single player you were stuck with like 3-4 types of weapons which half I didn't like. (plasma pistol for example)

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Well, GrachimPro this thing is that I started this thread to discuss Halo 3, not trying to convert people to console gaming.GarchomPro

Must be a glitch because I did reply to your pm but anyhow, No I don't think my opinion alone is a fact.

I just think that worldwide praise of a game means something.

[QUOTE="Velocitas8"]

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Well, I use Gamespot's ratings as proof because I know they are unbiased and they state things that milllions agree with every day.dracula_16

You're missing the point. When it comes down to it, Gamespot's reviews are opinionated. It doesn't matter how many people agree with their ratings..what matters is YOUR opinion and YOUR enjoyment of the game.

Stop trying to convert people who don't like the franchise, or don't appreciate it as much as yourself. Stop saying "x game is the best game EVER." It's pointless. Reviews are simply a guideline to let people know what they're getting in to before they purchase a game. They aren't the final word on how good a game is, as that's completely open to the individual gamer to decide. You can't use them as a basis to make these obnoxious claims.

Well, I know what not everyone is going to agree with me and that's fine but I just think that if PC shooters were better than there would be more than one that scored a 9.5 to match Halo 3.

remember we just changed the way games are scored

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=top_rated&category=First-Person+Shooters&platform=5&mode=all&sort=score&dlx_type=all&date_filter=all&sortdir=asc

Well, I know what not everyone is going to agree with me and that's fine but I just think that if PC shooters were better than there would be more than one that scored a 9.5 to match Halo 3.dracula_16

*Sigh* ..lots of things wrong with that post, but I don't feel like going over things that've already been covered in this thread. I'm going to leave it at that..this thread is getting boring.

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]Well, GrachimPro this thing is that I started this thread to discuss Halo 3, not trying to convert people to console gaming.dracula_16

Must be a glitch because I did reply to your pm but anyhow, No I don't think my opinion alone is a fact.

I just think that worldwide praise of a game means something.

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Well, I know what not everyone is going to agree with me and that's fine but I just think that if PC shooters were better than there would be more than one that scored a 9.5 to match Halo 3.Velocitas8

*Sigh* ..lots of things wrong with that post, but I don't feel like going over things that've already been covered in this thread. I'm going to leave it at that..this thread is getting boring.

Suit yourself. Good day to you sir/ma'am.

But how did you take that world wide praise and convert it into Halo 3 >>>>>>> All PC ShootersGarchomPro

By researching. Halo 3 will probably leave a huge impact on video games for a long time, because the first Halo sure did.

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]



But how did you take that world wide praise and convert it into Halo 3 >>>>>>> All PC Shootersdracula_16

By researching. Halo 3 will probably leave a huge impact on video games for a long time, because the first Halo sure did.

You need to be less stubborn and less argumentative..horrowhip

"NY Halo fan would agree CE >>>> 3. ANY Halo fan..."

The irony is killing me !

:lol:

:lol:

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]You need to be less stubborn and less argumentative..Forza_2

"NY Halo fan would agree CE >>>> 3. ANY Halo fan..."

The irony is killing me !

:lol:

:lol:

fine. Whatever, I like halo and CE was way better thanHalo 3. Most people would agree with me...

Most people would agree with me... horrowhip

I doubt that. You also don't seem like a Halo fan to me.

Your arguement is Halo 3 >>>>>> All PC Shooters

The only thing backing your claim is the opinion of other people.

Opinion means: message expressing a belief about something; the expression of a belief that is held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof; and therefore shows that opinion does NOT = proof

Meaning your whole thread is broken and flawed
GarchomPro

Reviews are not opinions!

"Wait, reviews are just opinions. Right?"
Actually, we don't think so. We make no excuses for our verdicts about games and believe our reviews stand for themselves. While our reviews, of course, do contain an element of subjectivity to them, we see the process of reviewing games as one that primarily involves the reporting of facts. To an extent, we naturally color these facts based on our own experiences of having spent much time playing other games in the past, but we make every effort to look at every game on its own merits, and we describe each game in the most factual terms possible. To this end, in the rare event that one of our reviews contains a factual inaccuracy, we will correct the inaccuracy and will acknowledge it in an editor's note that's appended to the end of the review.

Gamespot

Source: http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html

I'll just go ahead and step out of this thread, but:

-I've spent more time playing Halo 2 and Halo 3 (mostly online ) more than my PC FPS game library combined. And that's not because I didn't own PC FPS games. Unless Doom 1, Doom 2, Heretic, Dark Forces, Dark Forces 2, Star Trek Elite Force 2, Forsaken, Descent 1, Descent 2, Half-Life, Half-Life 2, Unreal Tournament, Unreal Tournament 2004, Doom 3, Far Cry and Counterstrike don't count as FPS games. The Halo series is simply fantastic to play. PC fanboys will have to deal with that fact.

-I've found the Halo 1-3 story no better or worse than the Half-Life 2 storyline. People drooling over one or the other are simply fanboys.

-"Standards" across platforms when it comes to consoles and PC are obviously more about the technical details of games. The graphics, for example. These "standards" that are held more highly for the PC are because of the technical flexibility of the platform. It has *****nothing***** to do with the plots or storylines of the games. Console games are sometimes technically inferor to PC games (graphical fidelity), but that's about where it ends. You people should know that.

-I'd rather play UT over any of the above. Halo provides a superior social gaming experience (people actually communicate and talk) and the gameplay is second to none...but in terms of pure gaming for me...I'm a UT man at heart.

Halo is a huge success as a console FPS, but it also shows how inferior pad controls are compared to mouse and keyboard. Halo was built with pad in mind, it makes it perform perfectly on a pad, but it also means the game had to be made awfuly slow (horribly slow, it's most likely the slowest non-tactical FPS), very easy , the levels had to be simplified (especialy verticaly,;lots of vertical action is big no-no for pad controls) and any sort of accuracy-requirements were thrown out of the window, it takes forever to kill somebody and there's regenerative health. I mean sure...for console gamers it's nice and all, but I've been spoiled by playing PC FPSes for the last 10 years so Halo series is preety meh to me. Aside from that there are much better SP FPSes and much better MP FPSes. I think one of the secrets of Halo sucess lies in the fact that it has good SP and MP, while almost every PC FPSes only focues on one of those, neglecting the other.AdrianWerner

This is all some very true stuff right here.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Halo is a huge success as a console FPS, but it also shows how inferior pad controls are compared to mouse and keyboard. Halo was built with pad in mind, it makes it perform perfectly on a pad, but it also means the game had to be made awfuly slow (horribly slow, it's most likely the slowest non-tactical FPS), very easy , the levels had to be simplified (especialy verticaly,;lots of vertical action is big no-no for pad controls) and any sort of accuracy-requirements were thrown out of the window, it takes forever to kill somebody and there's regenerative health. I mean sure...for console gamers it's nice and all, but I've been spoiled by playing PC FPSes for the last 10 years so Halo series is preety meh to me. Aside from that there are much better SP FPSes and much better MP FPSes. I think one of the secrets of Halo sucess lies in the fact that it has good SP and MP, while almost every PC FPSes only focues on one of those, neglecting the other.Zeliard9

This is all some very true stuff right here.

Yes, because the sensitivity can't be increased. Because the custom gametypes can't have 4x the speed, 4x the jumping, 4x the health, etc.

It's good to know the full picture.

[QUOTE="GarchomPro"]Your arguement is Halo 3 >>>>>> All PC Shooters

The only thing backing your claim is the opinion of other people.

Opinion means: message expressing a belief about something; the expression of a belief that is held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof; and therefore shows that opinion does NOT = proof

Meaning your whole thread is broken and flawed
got_systems

Reviews are not opinions!

"Wait, reviews are just opinions. Right?"
Actually, we don't think so. We make no excuses for our verdicts about games and believe our reviews stand for themselves. While our reviews, of course, do contain an element of subjectivity to them, we see the process of reviewing games as one that primarily involves the reporting of facts. To an extent, we naturally color these facts based on our own experiences of having spent much time playing other games in the past, but we make every effort to look at every game on its own merits, and we describe each game in the most factual terms possible. To this end, in the rare event that one of our reviews contains a factual inaccuracy, we will correct the inaccuracy and will acknowledge it in an editor's note that's appended to the end of the review.

Gamespot

Source: http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html