Halo 4's huge trump card that automatically makes it better than 73.48% of FPSs

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] What's more important - "proper" or whether the player is having fun?WiiCubeM1

playing an fps game with "k/m, 60fps, large fov" is a million times more enjoyable than "controller, 30fps, small fov" and that is a fact not an opinion.

You... have a singular mind, don't you?

on an fps game:

nobody can have more fun with controller compare to k/m

nobody can have more fun with 30fps compare to 60fps

nobody can have more fun withsmall fov compare to large fov

and so on....

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

to begin with,Halo is not even a proper fps...

A proper fps needs to haveat least "k/m, 60fps, large fov", and halo have "controller, 30fps, small fov"

SamiRDuran

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Really? a 720p screen split 4 ways.... tiny, pixelated blobs moving around in tiny 640x360 screens... this is fun to you guys?

Wow.

Kinthalis

I'll have to agree with this.I find it hard to play 2-player Split Screen,let alone 4-player.It simply gets way too confusing with those tiny parts of the screen,low resolutions,etc.Simply not enjoyable...

I love LAN parties though(even though LAN's a dying breed nowdays,sadly :(),having the entire screen to myself is always the way the game is supposed to be played for me...

Careful!

Consolites get upset when you bring things like facts as well as opinions that don't coencide with theirs.

Apparently all I care about are graphics and also, I have no friends.

How amiable these consolites are!

Just so everyone with a working brain understands my position:

It's not about the graphics. It's about a TINY screen in which you cannot possibly make out the kind of detial you need to make out to have an enjoyable experience playing a shooter.

Jeebus on a pogo stick, you'd think I spit in their mother's faces or somehting.

Always the same with most of these consolites:

PC gamers only mention graphics or overall visuals,a lot of insults and whatever gets thrown their way.Consolites argue about their Halo 4 bullshots and other crap,that's perfectly fine.A few days ago I walked into another one of those boring threads where cows are saying how lems don't have any game that looks better than God of War 3,insults and compresed screenshots flying all around...

Well,at least they're good for a few laughs :)

I don't think I ever, or will ever, play 4 player split screen. I rarely even play 2 player, but Halo are the games I do ask someone to help me on legendary though.

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

playing an fps game with "k/m, 60fps, large fov" is a million times more enjoyable than "controller, 30fps, small fov" and that is a fact not an opinion.

MK-Professor

You... have a singular mind, don't you?

on an fps game:

nobody can have more fun with controller compare to k/m

nobody can have more fun with 30fps compare to 60fps

nobody can have more fun withsmall fov compare to large fov

and so on....

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

playing an fps game with "k/m, 60fps, large fov" is a million times more enjoyable than "controller, 30fps, small fov" and that is a fact not an opinion.

MK-Professor

You... have a singular mind, don't you?

on an fps game:

nobody can have more fun with controller compare to k/m

nobody can have more fun with 30fps compare to 60fps

nobody can have more fun withsmall fov compare to large fov

and so on....

I can. I'm playing Goldeneye right now, on a portable DVD player.

Technical sh*t shouldn't matter if the gameplay can outshine all of it.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

I'll have to agree with this.I find it hard to play 2-player Split Screen,let alone 4-player.It simply gets way too confusing with those tiny parts of the screen,low resolutions,etc.Simply not enjoyable...

I love LAN parties though(even though LAN's a dying breed nowdays,sadly :(),having the entire screen to myself is always the way the game is supposed to be played for me...

Rocker6

Careful!

Consolites get upset when you bring things like facts as well as opinions that don't coencide with theirs.

Apparently all I care about are graphics and also, I have no friends.

How amiable these consolites are!

Just so everyone with a working brain understands my position:

It's not about the graphics. It's about a TINY screen in which you cannot possibly make out the kind of detial you need to make out to have an enjoyable experience playing a shooter.

Jeebus on a pogo stick, you'd think I spit in their mother's faces or somehting.

Always the same with most of these consolites:

PC gamers only mention graphics or overall visuals,a lot of insults and whatever gets thrown their way.Consolites argue about their Halo 4 bullshots and other crap,that's perfectly fine.A few days ago I walked into another one of those boring threads where cows are saying how lems don't have any game that looks better than God of War 3,insults and compresed screenshots flying all around...

Well,at least they're good for a few laughs :)

I play Wii and N64 the most. Tell me why I think graphics are important.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

You... have a singular mind, don't you?

WiiCubeM1

on an fps game:

nobody can have more fun with controller compare to k/m

nobody can have more fun with 30fps compare to 60fps

nobody can have more fun withsmall fov compare to large fov

and so on....

I can. I'm playing Goldeneye right now, on a portable DVD player.

Technical sh*t shouldn't matter if the gameplay can outshine all of it.

did I said anything that had to do with "technical" :?

All this things that I mention have a 100% direct relationship with gameplay...

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

on an fps game:

nobody can have more fun with controller compare to k/m

nobody can have more fun with 30fps compare to 60fps

nobody can have more fun withsmall fov compare to large fov

and so on....

MK-Professor

I can. I'm playing Goldeneye right now, on a portable DVD player.

Technical sh*t shouldn't matter if the gameplay can outshine all of it.

did I said anything that had to do with "technical" :?

All this things that I mention have a 100% direct relationship with gameplay...

... and I prefer controllers.

You also mentioned fps, which funnels down to proccessing power. Technical stuff.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

to begin with,Halo is not even a proper fps...

A proper fps needs to haveat least "k/m, 60fps, large fov", and halo have "controller, 30fps, small fov"

MK-Professor

playing an fps game with "k/m, 60fps, large fov" is a million times more enjoyable than "controller, 30fps, small fov" and that is a fact not an opinion.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

I can. I'm playing Goldeneye right now, on a portable DVD player.

Technical sh*t shouldn't matter if the gameplay can outshine all of it.

WiiCubeM1

did I said anything that had to do with "technical" :?

All this things that I mention have a 100% direct relationship with gameplay...

... and I prefer controllers.

You also mentioned fps, which funnels down to proccessing power. Technical stuff.

so you prefer acontrol scheme that is not accurate, not very responsive, not agile, awkwarder to move around/aim ?

fps have to do with gameplay, from 30 to 60fps their are huge deferences on how the game fells, how smooth, how responsive it is, etc and all these have a direct impact on gamepaly.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] What's more important - "proper" or whether the player is having fun?lowe0

playing an fps game with "k/m, 60fps, large fov" is a million times more enjoyable than "controller, 30fps, small fov" and that is a fact not an opinion.

stop being an idiot and accept the facts

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

playing an fps game with "k/m, 60fps, large fov" is a million times more enjoyable than "controller, 30fps, small fov" and that is a fact not an opinion.

MK-Professor

stop being an idiot and accept the facts

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

did I said anything that had to do with "technical" :?

All this things that I mention have a 100% direct relationship with gameplay...

MK-Professor

... and I prefer controllers.

You also mentioned fps, which funnels down to proccessing power. Technical stuff.

so you prefer acontrol scheme that is not accurate, not very responsive, not agile, awkwarder to move around/aim ?

fps have to do with gameplay, from 30 to 60fps their are huge deferences on how the game fells, how smooth, how responsive it is, etc and all these have a direct impact on gamepaly.

Okay, I think I'm done here. :P

4-player split screen. enjoy your tiny square :lol:

PS3's multiplayer let's each person use the entire screen. :cool:

The only time I ever play splitscreen is as part of a drinking game.

Can't wait!

One of the last old school shooters out there, and they actually put work into each new game.

4-player split screen. enjoy your tiny square :lol:

PS3's multiplayer let's each person use the entire screen. :cool:

FashionFreak

But my friend is next to me on the couch.

So, according to system wars the game would be better if it didnt have the option to play 4 player splitscreen coop!

Are these guys for real? :o

Halo 4 is a console FPS, played with a f*****g gamepad. It is, by essence, a bad FPS.

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Careful!

Consolites get upset when you bring things like facts as well as opinions that don't coencide with theirs.

Apparently all I care about are graphics and also, I have no friends.

How amiable these consolites are!

Just so everyone with a working brain understands my position:

It's not about the graphics. It's about a TINY screen in which you cannot possibly make out the kind of detial you need to make out to have an enjoyable experience playing a shooter.

Jeebus on a pogo stick, you'd think I spit in their mother's faces or somehting.

WiiCubeM1

Always the same with most of these consolites:

PC gamers only mention graphics or overall visuals,a lot of insults and whatever gets thrown their way.Consolites argue about their Halo 4 bullshots and other crap,that's perfectly fine.A few days ago I walked into another one of those boring threads where cows are saying how lems don't have any game that looks better than God of War 3,insults and compresed screenshots flying all around...

Well,at least they're good for a few laughs :)

I play Wii and N64 the most. Tell me why I think graphics are important.

Good for you,I'm also playing System Shock(and some other old games) on DOSBox emulator.And when I say consolite,I'm refering to fanboys,I don't generalize every console gamer under the same banner...

But don't expect SW consolites sharing your viewpoints on visuals.Many will argue how technical graphics don't matter when discussing visuals with PC gamers,but it won't stop them from starting tedious arguments with other consolites about UC3 being console graphics king,and 360 having no games better looking than God of War 3,which are very often.Halo 4 bullshot threads are common too...

Also,if you have problems with my opinion against Split screen,keep in mind that's all it is,an personal opinion.I'm not trying to pass it as a fact in any way.I can understand the appeal,but I don't share it...

Halo 4 is a console FPS, played with a f*****g gamepad. It is, by essence, a bad FPS.

milannoir

If you really think that then you're an idiot.

[QUOTE="FashionFreak"]

4-player split screen. enjoy your tiny square :lol:

PS3's multiplayer let's each person use the entire screen. :cool:

GOGOGOGURT

But my friend is next to me on the couch.

I don't generally care about split screen for campaigns, since the game is usually designed around 1 player.

Split screen MP, however, is sorely needed. Both local and online split screen are the poop.

Halo 2 had a bad campaign? Since when?

WiiCubeM1

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Really? a 720p screen split 4 ways.... tiny, pixelated blobs moving around in tiny 640x360 screens... this is fun to you guys?

Wow.

Kinthalis

I'll have to agree with this.I find it hard to play 2-player Split Screen,let alone 4-player.It simply gets way too confusing with those tiny parts of the screen,low resolutions,etc.Simply not enjoyable...

I love LAN parties though(even though LAN's a dying breed nowdays,sadly :(),having the entire screen to myself is always the way the game is supposed to be played for me...

Careful!

Consolites get upset when you bring things like facts as well as opinions that don't coencide with theirs.

Apparently all I care about are graphics and also, I have no friends.

How amiable these consolites are!

Just so everyone with a working brain understands my position:

It's not about the graphics. It's about a TINY screen in which you cannot possibly make out the kind of detial you need to make out to have an enjoyable experience playing a shooter.

Jeebus on a pogo stick, you'd think I spit in their mother's faces or somehting.

could have just left it at 'I have no friends.'

you'd have been telling the truth and no one would be exposed to your mindless drivel.

4-player split screen. enjoy your tiny square :lol:

PS3's multiplayer let's each person use the entire screen. :cool:

FashionFreak

[QUOTE="Slow_Show"]

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]Hmm.... if Halo 4 is about MC's solitary, mysterious journey into the unknown, four player co-op might kill it a bit. It's different from Halo 3 coz that was all out war. Should be interesting to see if there's anything in the game's design to compensate for it.FrozenLiquid

They've said Spartan IVs are part of the campaign, so I'd imagine they'll use that in a similar fashion as the Halo 3 MC+Arbiter+no-name elites co-op.

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

[QUOTE="FashionFreak"]

4-player split screen. enjoy your tiny square :lol:

PS3's multiplayer let's each person use the entire screen. :cool:

FashionFreak

But my friend is next to me on the couch.

Wow... thats totally not worth it. No one complained about tiny screens back in the day.

They just plopped on the couch and enjoyed the game.

Really? a 720p screen split 4 ways.... tiny, pixelated blobs moving around in tiny 640x360 screens... this is fun to you guys?

Wow.

Kinthalis

Love how they are expanding Split Screen seems like a lost thing in games these days.

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

did I said anything that had to do with "technical" :?

All this things that I mention have a 100% direct relationship with gameplay...

MK-Professor

... and I prefer controllers.

You also mentioned fps, which funnels down to proccessing power. Technical stuff.

so you prefer acontrol scheme that is not accurate, not very responsive, not agile, awkwarder to move around/aim ?

fps have to do with gameplay, from 30 to 60fps their are huge deferences on how the game fells, how smooth, how responsive it is, etc and all these have a direct impact on gamepaly.

I prefer the feel of old-style shooters. Hell, my 2 favorites are Goldeneye and Duke Nukem 3D. I don't mind the less accurate control scheme as the games I play don't require perfect control. Besides, a PC shooter requires you to be sitting at a desk or something similar. You wouldn't believe how bad my neck feels after an hour of Counterstrike.

I guess what I'm saying is I play games I like, and the ones I like are on console. They are often just more fun to play.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="Slow_Show"]

They've said Spartan IVs are part of the campaign, so I'd imagine they'll use that in a similar fashion as the Halo 3 MC+Arbiter+no-name elites co-op.

mems_1224

[QUOTE="FashionFreak"]

[QUOTE="GOGOGOGURT"]

But my friend is next to me on the couch.

GOGOGOGURT

Wow... thats totally not worth it. No one complained about tiny screens back in the day.

They just plopped on the couch and enjoyed the game.

[QUOTE="WiiCubeM1"]

Halo 2 had a bad campaign? Since when?

FrozenLiquid

I think it had the best campaign of them all, at least story-wise.

You had Master Chief doing his Interstellar-Space Marine-Badass thing, kicking ass and taking names, like always, but then you also followed the Arbiter as he slowly discovers his life's beliefs had always been a lie and he spends the remainder of the campaign trying to gain retribution for all the evil the Prophets and th Brutes had caused. It had some awesome fights, great character angles, a two-sided story, engaging dialogue, captivating characters... It was the ideal campaign I think Halo has yet to rectify.

Or is that the reason you hate is because of the Arbiter missions. That's what I always hear people complain about.

Halo 4's huge flaws that automatically make it worse than 73.48% of PC FPS

1. Entire game design revolving around controller limiations. This effects level design, enemy AI, and game speed.

2. Inferior aim system and control device. Magnetic aim, auto-aim, and huge hitboxes are mandatory. Competative skill cap is very low.

3. Low gfx and low fps.

Halo 4's huge flaws that automatically make it worse than 73.48% of PC FPS

1. Entire game design revolving around controller limiations. This effects level design, enemy AI, and game speed.

2. Inferior aim system and control device. Magnetic aim, auto-aim, and huge hitboxes are mandatory. Competative skill cap is very low.

3. Low gfx and low fps.

Jankarcop

Halo 4's huge flaws that automatically make it worse than 73.48% of PC FPS

1. Entire game design revolving around controller limiations. This effects level design, enemy AI, and game speed.

2. Inferior aim system and control device. Magnetic aim, auto-aim, and huge hitboxes are mandatory. Competative skill cap is very low.

3. Low gfx and low fps.

Jankarcop

1. This has never been an issue.

2. See above.

3. See above.

Halo 4's huge flaws that automatically make it worse than 73.48% of PC FPS

1. Entire game design revolving around controller limiations. This effects level design, enemy AI, and game speed.

2. Inferior aim system and control device. Magnetic aim, auto-aim, and huge hitboxes are mandatory. Competative skill cap is very low.

3. Low gfx and low fps.

Jankarcop

You all seem confused.

That wasn't the reasons the game is bad, those are the reasons why FPS on PC are superior.

Dumbed down AI, big hit boxes, auto-aim, magnetic aim, low fps, low gfx, extremely slow paced gameplay due to slow aiming mechanics, and worst of all..aninsanely low skill cap.

Neither of these are my opinion, those are all facts.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Really? a 720p screen split 4 ways.... tiny, pixelated blobs moving around in tiny 640x360 screens... this is fun to you guys?

Wow.

Rocker6

I'll have to agree with this.I find it hard to play 2-player Split Screen,let alone 4-player.It simply gets way too confusing with those tiny parts of the screen,low resolutions,etc.Simply not enjoyable...

I love LAN parties though(even though LAN's a dying breed nowdays,sadly :(),having the entire screen to myself is always the way the game is supposed to be played for me...

LAN is fun, and honestly I hate choosing between splitscreen and LAN. LAN means there has to be either prior setup or someone just has to have a LAN setup in the basement. Certainly possible, but if me and my buddies are just trying to kill time in a spur of the moment type of way, LAN won't cut it. That's where splitscreen shines. Spontaneous gaming sessions. Now if prep is a given, then LAN WI s every day of the week.

The problem with posters like Kinthalis is they have such a major bias that they fail to see LAN and splitscreen as two sides sides of the same coin. Both have pros and cons, and the best product occurs when you can do both, as you in Halo. If you don't think 4 player split screen is worth it, don't use it. But to sweep it under the rug when it represents a valid option is as silly as Lowe sweeping mods under the rug. Absolutely nothing is lost by including the option for splitscreen and unlike many people would like to believe, its easy to keep track of what's going on. I've played splitscreen near my whole life and I've never struggled to keep up with gameplay.

Complaining about splitscreen in Halo 4 is like complaining about PC games including pad support. Its a nice feature for those that want it, and nonexistant for those who don't.

yes i really want to play on 4 really small boxes......

You all seem confused.

That wasn't the reasons the game is bad, those are the reasons why FPS on PC are superior.

Dumbed down AI, big hit boxes, auto-aim, magnetic aim, low fps, low gfx, extremely slow paced gameplay due to slow aiming mechanics, and worst of all..aninsanely low skill cap.

Neither of these are my opinion, those are all facts.

Jankarcop