Halo is not a proven AAA franchise yet

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#1 CaseyWegner
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yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

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cool post casey agree with your opinion.
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#3 hockeyruler12
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the first two were amazing, and the 3rd keeps the same gameplay and adds more. How can it not be as good as 1 or 2?
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the first two were amazing, and the 3rd keeps the same gameplay and adds more. How can it not be as good as 1 or 2?hockeyruler12

For the same reason Halo 2 on the PC got an average score. It doesnt live up to the expectations of current FPS games. If Halo 3 really i just a reskinned Halo 2 with a bit more, than it would only be deserving of the same score as Halo 2 on the PC and "a little more." 

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yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

CaseyWegner

 

You better take this Casey:

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#6 smokeydabear076
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Yep and look what happened to Zelda the game with the AAAA potential and guaranteed AAA score.
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cool post casey agree with your opinion.dcm06

suck up >_>

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#8 cheatymcshifty
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I agree.. 2 games is barely a franchise.. and definatly does not consititute a "AAA (or... whatever the series is) series"..

Franchises like Final fantasy, Zelda, tekken, etc which have come out with many games most of which (in the main series) are very high, AAA quality, should be considered AAA series, but not ones like GOW or Halo.. which have made a few (very) great games.

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Nothing could ever guarantee the 'next' game in the series will be as good as past games. You could have 5,6,7 straight AAA gfames and the next could always not live up to them. But as for expectations I think two AAA games point to a third AAA game.

If you compare to movies the third of a Trilogy is always hyped up. Sometimes it lives up to it sometime not, but the expectation should be there.

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Nothing could ever guarantee the 'next' game in the series will be as good as past games. You could have 5,6,7 straight AAA gfames and the next could always not live up to them. But as for expectations I think two AAA games point to a third AAA game.

If you compare to movies the third of a Trilogy is always hyped up. Sometimes it lives up to it sometime not, but the expectation should be there.

thew13

agreed 

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#11 solidgamer
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track record the fist two games where AAA so why should we expect less bungie always want to improve where just showin faith

but you do make a good point it has only two AAA games in ther series, so the thrid one could  brake the mould

 

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yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

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Do you apply this logic to Half-Life? :question:
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[QUOTE="dcm06"]cool post casey agree with your opinion.LegendKiller04

suck up >_>

lol nah i just dont get to excited about halo thats all :) 

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Nothing could ever guarantee the 'next' game in the series will be as good as past games. You could have 5,6,7 straight AAA gfames and the next could always not live up to them. But as for expectations I think two AAA games point to a third AAA game.

thew13

i don't think that two games is enough to have an expectation of the third.

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#15 musicalmac  Moderator
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Where is the argument here? I guess this just seems more "blog-esque".

If anything hurts Halo 3s' score, it's going to be Halo 2 for the PC.

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yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

CaseyWegner

Doesn't seem that silly because the devs know what they are doing. The first game was a success, the second game wasn't such a huge success for the singleplayer fans but then again it flourished with its multiplayer. This time around, they are focusing on both the multiplayer and singleplayer. I really wonder how long they have been developing Halo 3. I mean, the more time you have the bigger the chance that it will be a huge success. They are really trying to make this game the best out of the series. 

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[QUOTE="thew13"]

Nothing could ever guarantee the 'next' game in the series will be as good as past games. You could have 5,6,7 straight AAA gfames and the next could always not live up to them. But as for expectations I think two AAA games point to a third AAA game.

CaseyWegner

i don't think that two games is enough to have an expectation of the third.

do you have a link to the numeric benchmark?  how many exactly would fit the bill?

one could be luck. two is proof, imo

 

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So far the first two Halo games have been AAA for XBox, Halo 2 got AAA even with a very dissapointing SP campaign, Halo 3 is going to end the series (the main one anyway), I believe Bungie has something really great in store for SP, MP will easily hit the top of the XBL game session charts probably in the first day of relese and will probably be a blast to play.

 

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I fail to see the point in this thread:?
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#20 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

NextGenNow

Do you apply this logic to Half-Life? :question:

why would i selectively apply it? :?

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[QUOTE="NextGenNow"]Do you apply this logic to Half-Life? :question:CaseyWegner

why would i selectively apply it? :?

Why did you choose to selectively apply it to Halo? By your logic, it would apply for any game looking at a third release.

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yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

CaseyWegner

 

I somewhat agree but if a company makes two AAA games in a row in the same series its not unreasonable to assume that they will continue making games of that quality level. Its more silly to say that Halo 3 won't be up to par with them than to say otherwise.

 

Whats even more ridiculous is when people hype games with poor foundation. If a series has been mediocre (killzone) and theres a new prettied up sequel coming you'd think people would reasonably ignore it. However one bad game (again Killzone) doesn't make the entire series null I suppose.  

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So are you saying it will or won't be AAA, or are you just raising a point that it might not be?
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Nothing could ever guarantee the 'next' game in the series will be as good as past games. You could have 5,6,7 straight AAA gfames and the next could always not live up to them. But as for expectations I think two AAA games point to a third AAA game.

If you compare to movies the third of a Trilogy is always hyped up. Sometimes it lives up to it sometime not, but the expectation should be there.

thew13
i think we have a winner!!!
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#26 Kestastrophe
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According to the philosopher Karl Popper, it is irrational to expect a future outcome that is based on historical precedence, regardless of the number of occurences (for example, it is irrational to expect the sun to rise tomorrow, even though it has risen today and every day before it). However, because of the nature of human beings and their need for structure, it is something that we must do in order to live our everyday lives. Hope that helps.
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#27 Infernal246
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No series is truely AAA proven...

Diablo II/Warcraft II Battle.net (if you want to count the remake) broke Blizzard's record of AAA games.

FF9/XI.

MGS 1/3.

Super Mario Sunshine.

Twilight Princess.

GT4. 

 

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#28 wiljas
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I agree that you cant guarantee that Halo 3 will be AAA. But it's chances will be much greater. What you definatly can't guarentee is that any other game that Bungiee makes will be AAA.
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#29 cakeorrdeath
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Personally I would say Halo is assured success as much as any established AAA series. It is much more important to look at the budget and developer than whether a title has existed since the 80's.
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#30 Snugenz
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I agree, there's no reason why any game could'nt be flopped, especially nowadays after the Zelda floppage (on GS).

 

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="NextGenNow"]Do you apply this logic to Half-Life? :question:musicalmac

why would i selectively apply it? :?

Why did you choose to selectively apply it to Halo? By your logic, it would apply for any game looking at a third release.

because it would be awkward to say "two games in a series that are both AAA don't necessarily mean that the series is a proven AAA franchise."

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#32 CaseyWegner
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So are you saying it will or won't be AAA, or are you just raising a point that it might not be?Sooshy

makin' a point.

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#33 GazzaB
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No game is guaranteed an AAA score. But the fact that both of Halo 3's predecessors scored AAA, its chances of scoring AAA as well are raised.
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#34 musicalmac  Moderator
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because it would be awkward to say "two games in a series that are both AAA don't necessarily mean that the series is a proven AAA franchise."

CaseyWegner

I think we may be on two different pages here. Even if Halo 3 doesn't get over the 9.0 hump, I think it's a proven AAA franchise. If Halo 3 scores even an 8, it still averages out to be a 9- thusly a AAA fanchise, no?

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#35 Medjai
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Halo is not my favorite franchise of all time...Halo CE was amazing for the time and Halo2 was great...Halo3 is not guaranteed but it is the flagship franchise for MS so it stands to reason that they would put everything they have into making sure the 3rd one follows the footsteps of the 1st two...Halo3 is probably the most important game for MS (maybe any system) this holiday season so I think they are doing everything possible to make sure the 360 continues to sell because Halo is the Xbox system seller
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Lets just call it AAA right now because I don't think Gamespot wants another Zelda TP circus.

 

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#37 CaseyWegner
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Gamespot Protects the liars. But if you say it back and then prove why, you get suspended. So you better watch out. Doing the right thing these days will get you in trouble.

wiljas

umm...what?

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[QUOTE="LegendKiller04"]

[QUOTE="dcm06"]cool post casey agree with your opinion.dcm06

suck up >_>

lol nah i just dont get to excited about halo thats all :) 

 

Same here. The hype that has been generated for Halo 3 is so big, that I personally think that it will be drilled after it is released because the hype of the game will have exceeded how mundane the product really is in reality when you come back down to earth out of the stratosphere of blind, unrealistic expectations.;)

You know, a perfect example is kind of like what all of the PS3 bashers were expecting out of the PS3, and just because it was not a smashing successs with a boatload of AAA games right from the get go, people were let down and now they bash the product because their expectaions were unrealistic before it was released. However, if they had just kept their expectations realistic, they would realize that it always takes time for a console to get going.

With Halo 3, there are just too many people who think that it is going to be some revolutionary game that has been touched by the hand of God himself, lol. But after it is released and seems like the same ole' Halo, only with some prettier graphics, a few new weapons, and vehicles, they will realize just how dull and generic Halo is compared to other shooters and other games in general that are coming out today. Just an opinion. 

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

because it would be awkward to say "two games in a series that are both AAA don't necessarily mean that the series is a proven AAA franchise."

musicalmac

I think we may be on two different pages here. Even if Halo 3 doesn't get over the 9.0 hump, I think it's a proven AAA franchise. If Halo 3 scores even an 8, it still averages out to be a 9- thusly a AAA fanchise, no?

you don't average the scores to determine that. :)

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It's like the stock market, past performance is not a guarantee of future success.  HOWEVER; you're better off betting on past performing stocks rather than crappy ones hoping they'll turn around (Kill zone).
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[QUOTE="NextGenNow"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

CaseyWegner

Do you apply this logic to Half-Life? :question:

why would i selectively apply it? :?

Well...there are MANY aspects that go into a game's success....some counter balance others...example.

Halo 1 was a major success due in part to it's single player...however...Halo 2 was more of a success due to it's mulitplayer.

I just can't see this logic being without flaw....I mean....how could you think Gears 2 wouldn't be good? Or that Halo 3 won't wow it's fans and newcomers alike?

But then again my opinions are prolly more absurd lol :P

Edit: Upon rethinking this logic....I am inclined to like it :D

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[QUOTE="thew13"]

Nothing could ever guarantee the 'next' game in the series will be as good as past games. You could have 5,6,7 straight AAA gfames and the next could always not live up to them. But as for expectations I think two AAA games point to a third AAA game.

CaseyWegner

i don't think that two games is enough to have an expectation of the third.

Without these expectations developers won't really be pushed hard enough to make better games. I think the hype is really good for Halo 3, we can pretty much expect a great game, especially considering the kind of company Bungie is. I had the same expectations for Metal Gear Solid 3, especially since MGS1 and MGS2 were so great.

 

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[QUOTE="dcm06"]cool post casey agree with your opinion.LegendKiller04

suck up >_>


:lol:  

I agree with your opinion too  :D
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#44 musicalmac  Moderator
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you don't average the scores to determine that. :)

CaseyWegner

Maybe you didn't read my post correctly, but I totally did ;)

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#45 smokeydabear076
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It's like the stock market, past performance is not a guarantee of future success. HOWEVER; you're better off betting on past performing stocks rather than crappy ones hoping they'll turn around (Kill zone).mikasa
Thats a good way of wording it.
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#46 The_Ish
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="NextGenNow"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

NextGenNow

Do you apply this logic to Half-Life? :question:

why would i selectively apply it? :?

Well...there are MANY aspects that go into a game's success....some counter balance others...example.

Halo 1 was a major success due in part to it's single player...however...Halo 2 was more of a success due to it's mulitplayer.

I just can't see this logic being without flaw....I mean....how could you think Gears 2 wouldn't be good? Or that Halo 3 won't wow it's fans and newcomers alike?

But then again my opinions are prolly more absurd lol :P

In his fairness, its possible. I know it goes against my previous logic, but take a look at Xenosaga and Devil May Cry. When they both made their debut they were critically acclaimed. When Xenosaga 2 and DMC2 came out they practicaly flopped.

 

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#47 Javy03
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yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

CaseyWegner

That logic goes with many games.  There is no certainty when it comes to peoples opinion. 

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#48 deangallop
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Just wondering, what are some AAA proven series to you Casey???
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#49 RurouniSaiyajin
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All I know is that Halo Wars is doomed to flop now that people are hyping it to be better than Starcraft II.
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#50 iamanoobkillme
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knowing game spot they will pull a zelda and give a great aaa game like halo a 8.9 so it will be aa .