Halo is not a proven AAA franchise yet

yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

CaseyWegner

hm I think you're wrong.  The series is a prove AAA franchise but what you should say is that no proven AAA franchise's next iterration in the series is 100% sure of getting AAA also.  Every game has a chance of failing and no game no matter how long the series has been getting great scores it can be totally screwed up. 

FF7 PSX - 9.5

FF7 PC - 8.0 

OMG final fantasy isn't a proven franchise anymore!!!! 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="braydee1234"]

Lol, well it seems that by naming Halo 3 in your topic as "not proven as an AAA franchise", you've specifically said Halo, meaning other games such as MP, GTA and MGS could be considered AAA franchises.

braydee1234

A better metaphore would be

"The sky was blue yesterday, everyone thoroughly enjoyed it and it was a glorious event. But that doesn't mean that tomorrow will have a blue sky." 

if i were to, for some reason, say that the sky is blue? would you be getting on my case for not also saying that the ocean is blue or that blue pen ink is blue? it's just an example.

How is that what I said? you said Halo 3 isn't definately AAA, why is it not and other games are different? you're avoiding the answer. You clearly state Halo 3, you should change your topic to "Previous AAA games should not be guaranteed AAA for their next games."

besides your metaphore is completely off.

FF7 PSX - 9.5

FF7 PC - 8.0

OMG final fantasy isn't a proven franchise anymore!!!!

DoctorBunny

My Point exactly.  

No it is not. And by this logic NO SERIES will ever be AAA. I can alsways pull an obscure Zelda game that failed and call the entire series non AAA. Can be done with pretty much anything, that has been established for some time. So tell me this: Which series IS AAA?

Failed logic FTL.

BlueBarad

it can be a AAA series until a non-AA game comes along.

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

No it is not. And by this logic NO SERIES will ever be AAA. I can alsways pull an obscure Zelda game that failed and call the entire series non AAA. Can be done with pretty much anything, that has been established for some time. So tell me this: Which series IS AAA?

Failed logic FTL.

CaseyWegner

it can be a AAA series until a non-AA game comes along.

which, at this time, Halo IS

then by your own definition, Halo is a AAA series as 1) both games have scored in the 9.0 to 9.9 range, and 2) there is Halo 1, then Halo 2 which is a continuation of the story line and thus the series.  True?  Or do you mean "critical success" as 3+ games in a series that have achieved AAA status?

Eddie5vs1

i think it takes more than 2 AAA games to make a proven AAA series.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

No it is not. And by this logic NO SERIES will ever be AAA. I can alsways pull an obscure Zelda game that failed and call the entire series non AAA. Can be done with pretty much anything, that has been established for some time. So tell me this: Which series IS AAA?

Failed logic FTL.

Eddie5vs1

it can be a AAA series until a non-AA game comes along.

which, at this time, Halo IS

No, PC Halo 2 flopped. That is why this argument is pointless. There will always be a game from a long established series that will flop. Its the nature of the beast.

Just like Mario, Warcraft, Zelda, MGS are great series they are not AAA.

[QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"]

then by your own definition, Halo is a AAA series as 1) both games have scored in the 9.0 to 9.9 range, and 2) there is Halo 1, then Halo 2 which is a continuation of the story line and thus the series. True? Or do you mean "critical success" as 3+ games in a series that have achieved AAA status?

CaseyWegner

i think it takes more than 2 AAA games to make a proven AAA series.

Give it time but this is only a trilogy ...and go play world of warcraft.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

No it is not. And by this logic NO SERIES will ever be AAA. I can alsways pull an obscure Zelda game that failed and call the entire series non AAA. Can be done with pretty much anything, that has been established for some time. So tell me this: Which series IS AAA?

Failed logic FTL.

BlueBarad

it can be a AAA series until a non-AA game comes along.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

No it is not. And by this logic NO SERIES will ever be AAA. I can alsways pull an obscure Zelda game that failed and call the entire series non AAA. Can be done with pretty much anything, that has been established for some time. So tell me this: Which series IS AAA?

Failed logic FTL.

Eddie5vs1

it can be a AAA series until a non-AA game comes along.

which, at this time, Halo IS

No, PC Halo 2 flopped. That is why this argument is pointless. There will always be a game from a long established series that will flop. Its the nature of the beast.

Just like Mario, Warcraft, Zelda, MGS are great series they are not AAA.  

touche (sp?) ;)

How is that what I said? you said Halo 3 isn't definately AAA, why is it not and other games are different? you're avoiding the answer. You clearly state Halo 3, you should change your topic to "Previous AAA games should not be guaranteed AAA for their next games."

besides your metaphore is completely off.

braydee1234

it...was...just...an...example.

nothing was wrong with my analogy unless you want to say that they were different shades of blue.

[QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

No it is not. And by this logic NO SERIES will ever be AAA. I can alsways pull an obscure Zelda game that failed and call the entire series non AAA. Can be done with pretty much anything, that has been established for some time. So tell me this: Which series IS AAA?

Failed logic FTL.

BlueBarad

it can be a AAA series until a non-AA game comes along.

which, at this time, Halo IS

No, PC Halo 2 flopped. That is why this argument is pointless. There will always be a game from a long established series that will flop. Its the nature of the beast.

Just like Mario, Warcraft, Zelda, MGS are great series they are not AAA.

how is the argument pointless?

[QUOTE="braydee1234"]

How is that what I said? you said Halo 3 isn't definately AAA, why is it not and other games are different? you're avoiding the answer. You clearly state Halo 3, you should change your topic to "Previous AAA games should not be guaranteed AAA for their next games."

besides your metaphore is completely off.

CaseyWegner

it...was...just...an...example.

nothing was wrong with my analogy unless you want to say that they were different shades of blue.

a mod needs to close this thread as it is just going in circles....oh wait....hey Casey! :)

[QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"]

then by your own definition, Halo is a AAA series as 1) both games have scored in the 9.0 to 9.9 range, and 2) there is Halo 1, then Halo 2 which is a continuation of the story line and thus the series.  True?  Or do you mean "critical success" as 3+ games in a series that have achieved AAA status?

CaseyWegner

i think it takes more than 2 AAA games to make a proven AAA series.

Series as in a '3 game series', a trilogy, then yeah, its not proven. All thats left to behold is Halo 3 getting AAA status, if it doesn't deliver then you can say its not an AAA series. That can be applied to any game that has gotten AAA status in the past..and can never be applied to a game that has gotten anything less than AAA in the past, unless you have a time machine.

Define 'proven AAA franchise' If 2 previous AAA games aren't enough to warrent an AAA franchise then anything less cannot be considered a proven AAA franchise if your simply going by scores. If your going by personal experience with it then whatever impact it has had on you is your opinion not a consensus.Pro_wrestler

i'd say maybe 3 would be enough to establish itself until something comes along and ends the streak.

looking at scores for ports is really grasping for straws here.CaseyWegner

[QUOTE="BlueBarad"][QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

No it is not. And by this logic NO SERIES will ever be AAA. I can alsways pull an obscure Zelda game that failed and call the entire series non AAA. Can be done with pretty much anything, that has been established for some time. So tell me this: Which series IS AAA?

Failed logic FTL.

CaseyWegner

it can be a AAA series until a non-AA game comes along.

which, at this time, Halo IS

No, PC Halo 2 flopped. That is why this argument is pointless. There will always be a game from a long established series that will flop. Its the nature of the beast.

Just like Mario, Warcraft, Zelda, MGS are great series they are not AAA.

how is the argument pointless?

Actually, I was wrong. And after rereading your original post it makes sense. Just because Halo's 1 & 2 were AAA, doesn't mean that Halo 3 will be.

All I was saying is that with long established series there will ALWAYS be a non AAA game that brings it down.  

looking at scores for ports is really grasping for straws here.CaseyWegner

I am not sure why people dont understand the point of this thread.  Its real simple.  It takes more then two games to get an idea of the quality of the series.  Keeping a solid game interesting and fresh for years is not an easy task.  Making one good game could be luck.  Convincing people who loved the first one to buy the second one is not a hard task either.  Now keeping this series alive and interesting for sequels after, that is more challenging and can make or break a franchise.  Especially when other games have come out and offer similiar experiences.

Wowing a group of consumers and critics over and over again is something impressive.  Lets see if Halo 3 can do it and not assume it will because the hardcore fans hype it.  Some fans will buy anything with the name of their fav. franchise on it and their opinions are far from a good way to determine if a game will continue with quality.

First off,.. .GASP!  Casey made a threat!!!!!? :o

Second, i agree.  It annoys me when people immediately call franchises with only 2 games in it a AAA franchise (God of War, Halo 3, ect).  IMO, the Zelda, MGS, and others along those lines are AAA, even though some of their games didn't score AAA. 

This is just what people do. Halo 1 and 2 got great scores so everybody thinks the third one will be just as good. The same goes with Killzone. That game got a quite bad rating so therefore people think the second one will suck too.

The problem is that people forget that people can improve their work. You can even do something worse then you've done before, Develepors are ordinary humans.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]looking at scores for ports is really grasping for straws here.Jandurin

then you're agreeing with me. :|

[QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="BlueBarad"]

No it is not. And by this logic NO SERIES will ever be AAA. I can alsways pull an obscure Zelda game that failed and call the entire series non AAA. Can be done with pretty much anything, that has been established for some time. So tell me this: Which series IS AAA?

Failed logic FTL.

BlueBarad

it can be a AAA series until a non-AA game comes along.

which, at this time, Halo IS

No, PC Halo 2 flopped. That is why this argument is pointless. There will always be a game from a long established series that will flop. Its the nature of the beast.

Just like Mario, Warcraft, Zelda, MGS are great series they are not AAA.

Final Fantasy PC games flopped. Sorry but FF games are not AAA material anymore with your logic

FF7 PSX - 9.5

FF7 PC - 8.0

teh owned 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]looking at scores for ports is really grasping for straws here.jg4xchamp

i did what now? :?

It's been a while, like 2 months, since I've posted here so it's good to be back. Anyway, commenting on the thread title, I think it's on it's way to being a AAA franchise and Halo 3 should give it the proper validation.Spartan070

agreed..and then halo wars will come out and be a huge flop:P jk

good to see you back spartan070 

[QUOTE="Spartan070"]It's been a while, like 2 months, since I've posted here so it's good to be back. Anyway, commenting on the thread title, I think it's on it's way to being a AAA franchise and Halo 3 should give it the proper validation.lawlessx

agreed..and then halo wars will come out and be a huge flop:P jk

good to see you back spartan070 

Thanks, and I have broadband back to boot!, fianally... 

I don't agree at all. How's it silly?

Halo is THE FLAGSHIP title for the Xbox. Bungie "screwed up" Halo 2 simply because of limited time, hardware limitations and indecisive planning among the team. Bungie were so overzealous with thier success of Halo 1, they wanted and expected far too much beyond what they were capable of, especially with the Xbox hardware....which was very powerful, however it did had some limitations that was almost impossible to live up to Bungie's actual expectations and ego. But Halo 2 was still a AAA game.

Just watch the DVD that came with Halo2 Limited Edition and find out. Bungie were too egotistical and very indecisive.

Now with 360, Bungie is clearly learning a hard lesson from Halo 2. They have the dev tools and a truly powerful hardware to actually live up to thier expecations and creative freedom with the Halo series. I don't think Bungie would have the audacity nor the integrity to even foul up 2 in row with thier Flagship title. A title that really put them on the map in console gaming.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]looking at scores for ports is really grasping for straws here.CaseyWegner

i did what now? :?

So you're saying Halo isn't a AAA franchise until Halo 3 and Halo Wars are both as well? Halo Wars shouldn't be considered alongside the FPS's of the same name though if thats the logic being used. Wait... this means God of War and GTA aren't proven AAA franchises yet either.

Seriously though is there any AAA franchise in existence?

So you're saying Halo isn't a AAA franchise until Halo 3 and Halo Wars are both as well? Halo Wars shouldn't be considered alongside the FPS's of the same name though if thats the logic being used. Wait... this means God of War and GTA aren't proven AAA franchises yet either.

Seriously though is there any AAA franchise in existence?

strudel420

halo 3...yes. halo wars...not really. i only mentioned that because i'm amazed to see people so excited about it just because it has halo in the title.

Halo3 is gonna be AAA, in fact, it will score a 9.7 just like the original. Call it a gut feeling if you want, but you can quote me on this. You would honostly have to be a fool to think halo3 wouldn't get AAA anyway. The MP is already a massive improvment over 2.ninjaxams

you really think there's no chance of it scoring below a nine?

Halo3 is gonna be AAA, in fact, it will score a 9.7 just like the original. Call it a gut feeling if you want, but you can quote me on this. You would honostly have to be a fool to think halo3 wouldn't get AAA anyway. The MP is already a massive improvment over 2.ninjaxams

.....ANY GAME CAN FLOP! 

its posts like this that really just piss me off 

I don't agree at all. How's it silly?

Halo is THE FLAGSHIP title for the Xbox. Bungie "screwed up" Halo 2 simply because of limited time, hardware limitations and indecisive planning among the team. Bungie were so overzealous with thier success of Halo 1, they wanted and expected far too much beyond what they were capable of, especially with the Xbox hardware....which was very powerful, however it did had some limitations that was almost impossible to live up to Bungie's actual expectations and ego. But Halo 2 was still a AAA game. 

Just watch the DVD that came with Halo2 Limited Edition and find out. Bungie were too egotistical and very indecisive.

Now with 360, Bungie is clearly learning a hard lesson from Halo 2. They have the dev tools and a truly powerful hardware to actually live up to thier expecations and creative freedom with the Halo series. I don't think Bungie would have the audacity nor the integrity to even foul up 2 in row with thier Flagship title. A title that really put them on the map in console gaming, not just in Mac world. 

M8ingSeezun

they wouldn't mess it up on purpose but who knows what could happen.

In my book Casey, Halo the FPS experience will always be a 90%+ experience.

I'm not buying any thing Halo after Halo 3... Thats the end for me and my 8-9 year journey from PC to Xbox to 360.

Sure it never met it's grand image when it was first showcased for the PC... But to me it will always be a part of my history and a great game to play.

yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

CaseyWegner

So.. Half-Life isn't AAA either...?

I played halo 3 beta at my brother house, it was like playing halo 2 with afew gimmicks.ninjiijitsu

..thanks for sharing :| 

[QUOTE="ninjaxams"]Halo3 is gonna be AAA, in fact, it will score a 9.7 just like the original. Call it a gut feeling if you want, but you can quote me on this. You would honostly have to be a fool to think halo3 wouldn't get AAA anyway. The MP is already a massive improvment over 2.CaseyWegner

you really think there's no chance of it scoring below a nine?