Halo is not a proven AAA franchise yet

yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

CaseyWegner

What is the point in hyping any game then.

Halo has proven itself in 2 outings now even if the second lacked the greatness of CE.

Bungie are notorious for making great games they have made more than just Halo series. Marathon among others are top notch.

And the fact halo single-handedly (imo) saved the Xbox from death before it even got going.

With the above factors I think Halo has the right to be hyped a bit. Nothing is ever proven AAA before release. But a few games coz of their past get caught up in the hype like (MGS, FF, GT, GTA, HALO, Zelda, Mario among others. Hell Gears 2 is gonna get massively hyped and its only had 1 installment.)

 I think even with Halo's short life span that we can expect a very good game from Bungie. Bungie do not make bad games. Will it be a classic who knows? Halo CE (In my eyes) is a classic and I have played my fair few (PC FPS & Consoles) but Halo 2 was just a good games that lacked anything that made me go "wow" or "cool"...

The hype is understandable... But I do agree why hype these games?, lets wait and see for ourselves first.

Halo 3 is going to be AAA, especially here. Halo Wars, I don't know but thats not really a Halo game, just a game set in the Halo universe.FlawlessSeasons

how can you be so sure?

ahahahah :lol:KillaHalo2o9

something on your mind?

the first two were amazing, and the 3rd keeps the same gameplay and adds more. How can it not be as good as 1 or 2?hockeyruler12

Well, you are a bit mistaken. Two points of reference would be enough to create a line, and trends are simply a line or a series of lines. Just thought I'd point that out. Although, I do agree that it is foolish to assume the success of Halo 3 and Halo Wars from the scores of their two predecessors. But, it also foolish do think that those two games will not have the complete backing from Microsoft and a very proven game developing company, Bungi. Bigal66

i know you can make a line from 2 points but it wouldn't really be a very useful line for system wars purposes.

yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

CaseyWegner

Wait...What if Halo 3 is AAA and Halo Wars is not?  Wouldn't Halo technically be a proven AAA franchise since Halo Wars is going to be an altogether "different" franchise for Halo?  Also, how many games in a franchise have to score AAA for it to be proven an AAA franchise?  Is Zelda a proven AAA franchise?  It has a lot of games that scored AAA, but Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess didn't.  

Casey, why in the hell was I modded for disruptive posting? All I did was type "/Thread" in agreement with another poster who was actually agreeing with YOU in a sense by saying that If Halo 3 does not deliver, then Halo is indeed not an AAA series. Since when was agreeing with another poster considered disruptive posting? Oh, it is YOUR thread and since your a MOD, you make the rules, right?outcasthero

Typing only /thread is considered disruptive posting.  And this should be in Ask the Mods anyway.

First off,.. .GASP!  Casey made a threat!!!!!? :o

Second, i agree.  It annoys me when people immediately call franchises with only 2 games in it a AAA franchise (God of War, Halo 3, ect).  IMO, the Zelda, MGS, and others along those lines are AAA, even though some of their games didn't score AAA. 

helium_flash

Is this a joke? How can you possibly consider MGS AAA?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

AvIdGaMeR444

Wait...What if Halo 3 is AAA and Halo Wars is not?  Wouldn't Halo technically be a proven AAA franchise since Halo Wars is going to be an altogether "different" franchise for Halo?  Also, how many games in a franchise have to score AAA for it to be proven an AAA franchise?  Is Zelda a proven AAA franchise?  It has a lot of games that scored AAA, but Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess didn't.  

halo wars was just something i tossed in there cause it's being hyped simply for having halo in its name. you can ignore it for the main purpose of this thread. if halo 3 gets AAA, then i'd say the series has proven itself.

If you werent a mod all of the Halo fanboys would be going psycho on you, but they all fear what you will do to them haha. But you are right.

[QUOTE="outcasthero"]Casey, why in the hell was I modded for disruptive posting? All I did was type "/Thread" in agreement with another poster who was actually agreeing with YOU in a sense by saying that If Halo 3 does not deliver, then Halo is indeed not an AAA series. Since when was agreeing with another poster considered disruptive posting? Oh, it is YOUR thread and since your a MOD, you make the rules, right?-The-G-Man-

Typing only /thread is considered disruptive posting.  And this should be in Ask the Mods anyway.

Ok:roll: It was just a simple gesture of agreement with another poster that implied that I thought his statement summed up the arguement...hardly disruptive, lol. But anyway, I agree that if Halo does not get an AAA, then I do not think that it should be averaged as a complete AAA series because it is the end of the trilogy. Therefore, it should be grandest of all three....not the same as the previous 2, only with a new paint job and few new weapon and armor choices. 

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

[QUOTE="outcasthero"]Casey, why in the hell was I modded for disruptive posting? All I did was type "/Thread" in agreement with another poster who was actually agreeing with YOU in a sense by saying that If Halo 3 does not deliver, then Halo is indeed not an AAA series. Since when was agreeing with another poster considered disruptive posting? Oh, it is YOUR thread and since your a MOD, you make the rules, right?outcasthero

Typing only /thread is considered disruptive posting.  And this should be in Ask the Mods anyway.

Ok:roll: It was just a simple jesture of agreement with another poster that implied that I thought his statement summed up the arguement...hardly disruptive, lol. 

Typing /thread and only /thread does not contribute to the arguement.  It's considered disruptive posting for the same reason typing only "PWN3D" or "Damage Control!" is also considered disruptive.

"You only funky as your last cut" - Erykah Badu

AAA, AA, A is never permanent status. You mention that once a AA game is in the series it's no longer a AAA. Well, if a game has 6 installments and scored 1 AA, 5 AAA you consider that franchise an AA series? Does that sound like a logically solution? It's the last installment we can consider what status the franchise is in. People always fall off and rise back on top. Mariah Carey, Micheal Jordan, Luther Vandross, Aerosmith, etc... No different with games. It the "What have you done for me lately" attitude we should have. Not remain them of their worst performance they ever produce.

Who am I to argue with a mod?miss_kitt3n

nothing wrong with doing that.

ok, saying that the Halo FRANCHISE isnt a proven AAA series is stupid. But saying that Halo 3 hasnt peoven to be AAA isnt.

true.

I kind of don't expect Halo 3 to get AAA status. It will be a really polished and fun game. But won't really do anything new.

Metal Gear Solid. Isnot a AAA franchise either. No one is Hyping Halo 3 to be anything more than a conclusion to the best selling FPS series ever.

Rest assured most Halo fans couldn't care less what it scores, and that's why Bungie wins. The series came out of nowhere and really invented the wheel. As a former Halo hater, after actually playing the game with friends, Co-Op, Online in Halo 2, and Lan in Halo 1. Its a great franchise. As long as it feels like Halo I'm happy.

Metal Gear Solid. Isnot a AAA franchise either. No one is Hyping Halo 3 to be anything more than a conclusion to the best selling FPS series ever.

Rest assured most Halo fans couldn't care less what it scores, and that's why Bungie wins. The series came out of nowhere and really invented the wheel. As a former Halo hater, after actually playing the game with friends, Co-Op, Online in Halo 2, and Lan in Halo 1. Its a great franchise. As long as it feels like Halo I'm happy.

no the first halo only got 10s which is 4 AAAA in my book,second one got 9.5.. i look for halo 3 to score nothing under 9.7

so if this new scores 10s we might have to say its almost a 4 A franchise:P 

[QUOTE="NextGenNow"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

CaseyWegner

why would i selectively apply it? :?

Well sometimes people choose to be like that when personal preference come into play.

This IS system wars. You see alot of that when you're in this place. It's not like you become a robot when you become a mod. (I'm not saying you are or that act like one) 

[QUOTE="hockeyruler12"]the first two were amazing, and the 3rd keeps the same gameplay and adds more. How can it not be as good as 1 or 2?XaosII

For the same reason Halo 2 on the PC got an average score. It doesnt live up to the expectations of current FPS games. If Halo 3 really i just a reskinned Halo 2 with a bit more, than it would only be deserving of the same score as Halo 2 on the PC and "a little more." 

Casey, this is not meant to be disruptive so please take it with a grain of salt. But...

 why does it seem, moreso than any other franchise, you tend to dismiss Halo as a great franchise and the possibility of it being an AAA game? I've never seen you criticize any other franchise on threads except Halo, and I just find that curious.

I understand your point that its not a given to be AAA, but NO game is. Not Mario, not Zelda, not Starcraft 2. So why are you singling out Halo? 

The only effective way of predicting the future is by analysing past trends, and it is logical to assume at this point that those trends will continue with Halo 3 being another AAA... There's been no reason to assume otherwise aside from pointless scathing of a Beta build multiplayer, which in the grand scale of things bears little relevance to what the finished product may be like.poptart

that's the whole point. the whole trend is based on two games. that's not really a lot to go on.

Casey, this is not meant to be disruptive so please take it with a grain of salt. But...

why does it seem, moreso than any other franchise, you tend to dismiss Halo as a great franchise and the possibility of it being an AAA game? I've never seen you criticize any other franchise on threads except Halo, and I just find that curious.

 

I understand your point that its not a given to be AAA, but NO game is. Not Mario, not Zelda, not Starcraft 2. So why are you singling out Halo?

shsonline

I think he's doing a great job of identifying the audience. He trying to make a point about Hype. He knew calling out Halo would get the audience to pay attention. Nothing against Halo. btw Casey is a 360 fan. 

Casey, this is not meant to be disruptive so please take it with a grain of salt. But...

 why does it seem, moreso than any other franchise, you tend to dismiss Halo as a great franchise and the possibility of it being an AAA game? I've never seen you criticize any other franchise on threads except Halo, and I just find that curious.

 

I understand your point that its not a given to be AAA, but NO game is. Not Mario, not Zelda, not Starcraft 2. So why are you singling out Halo? 

shsonline

halo 3 has the most hype behind it. i did make something similar about mgs4 a while back though.

[QUOTE="hockeyruler12"]the first two were amazing, and the 3rd keeps the same gameplay and adds more. How can it not be as good as 1 or 2?XaosII

For the same reason Halo 2 on the PC got an average score. It doesnt live up to the expectations of current FPS games. If Halo 3 really i just a reskinned Halo 2 with a bit more, than it would only be deserving of the same score as Halo 2 on the PC and "a little more." 

Yeah complety agreed

[QUOTE="shsonline"]

Casey, this is not meant to be disruptive so please take it with a grain of salt. But...

why does it seem, moreso than any other franchise, you tend to dismiss Halo as a great franchise and the possibility of it being an AAA game? I've never seen you criticize any other franchise on threads except Halo, and I just find that curious.

 

I understand your point that its not a given to be AAA, but NO game is. Not Mario, not Zelda, not Starcraft 2. So why are you singling out Halo?

shungokustasu

I think he's doing a great job of identifying the audience. He trying to make a point about Hype. He knew calling out Halo would get the audience to pay attention. Nothing against Halo. btw Casey is a 360 fan. 

i don't have a 360. :|

ok, saying that the Halo FRANCHISE isnt a proven AAA series is stupid. But saying that Halo 3 hasnt peoven to be AAA isnt.

Mikerules868

To add to what i said, since your tackeling down the entie series claming that it hasnt proven to be AAA, Gamespot scored both games out now AAA. Are you saying that you dont agree with their rating?

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="shsonline"]

Casey, this is not meant to be disruptive so please take it with a grain of salt. But...

why does it seem, moreso than any other franchise, you tend to dismiss Halo as a great franchise and the possibility of it being an AAA game? I've never seen you criticize any other franchise on threads except Halo, and I just find that curious.

 

I understand your point that its not a given to be AAA, but NO game is. Not Mario, not Zelda, not Starcraft 2. So why are you singling out Halo?

CaseyWegner

I think he's doing a great job of identifying the audience. He trying to make a point about Hype. He knew calling out Halo would get the audience to pay attention. Nothing against Halo. btw Casey is a 360 fan.

i don't have a 360. :|

I really don't believe you... 

halo 3 has the most hype behind it. i did make something similar about mgs4 a while back though.

[QUOTE="shsonline"]

Casey, this is not meant to be disruptive so please take it with a grain of salt. But...

why does it seem, moreso than any other franchise, you tend to dismiss Halo as a great franchise and the possibility of it being an AAA game? I've never seen you criticize any other franchise on threads except Halo, and I just find that curious.

 

I understand your point that its not a given to be AAA, but NO game is. Not Mario, not Zelda, not Starcraft 2. So why are you singling out Halo?

CaseyWegner

halo 3 has the most hype behind it. i did make something similar about mgs4 a while back though.

 But I don't see how hype will make it AAA or less than AAA. Its score (I would hope) here on GS will be based on its review on its game. Unless you are saying the reviewers will be influenced by the hype. I just think its fair for people to hype a game whatever they want, and if it underachieves, then they get owned and look foolish in the process. But if it does well, then they will prove alot of doubters wrong. And at least here on SW, there are alot of Antihalo people and doubters.

[QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="shsonline"]

Casey, this is not meant to be disruptive so please take it with a grain of salt. But...

why does it seem, moreso than any other franchise, you tend to dismiss Halo as a great franchise and the possibility of it being an AAA game? I've never seen you criticize any other franchise on threads except Halo, and I just find that curious.

 

I understand your point that its not a given to be AAA, but NO game is. Not Mario, not Zelda, not Starcraft 2. So why are you singling out Halo?

CaseyWegner

I think he's doing a great job of identifying the audience. He trying to make a point about Hype. He knew calling out Halo would get the audience to pay attention. Nothing against Halo. btw Casey is a 360 fan. 

i don't have a 360. :|

Hence all the hate for Halo3.

When a new IP gets an AAA score no one should expect it's sequel to get AAA.

But the fact that you like the first game,in most cases even if the sequel(s) get AA or even lower there is a more than likely chance that person will enjoy the experience...which is essentially more of the same but More refined.

Halo 3 is going to sell 6+ million weather it gets AAA or not.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="shungokustasu"][QUOTE="shsonline"]

Casey, this is not meant to be disruptive so please take it with a grain of salt. But...

why does it seem, moreso than any other franchise, you tend to dismiss Halo as a great franchise and the possibility of it being an AAA game? I've never seen you criticize any other franchise on threads except Halo, and I just find that curious.

 

I understand your point that its not a given to be AAA, but NO game is. Not Mario, not Zelda, not Starcraft 2. So why are you singling out Halo?

mikasa

I think he's doing a great job of identifying the audience. He trying to make a point about Hype. He knew calling out Halo would get the audience to pay attention. Nothing against Halo. btw Casey is a 360 fan.

i don't have a 360. :|

Hence all the hate for Halo3.

I hope Halo 3 flops just so the people can get over Halo. And I have a 360. 

Going by Halo:CE and Halo 2 scores, the franchise is AAA. What more can Bungie do to prove the franchise is AAA? 

I think the real question is when do we define a franchise as 'a AAA franchise'.

Is God of War a proven AAA franchise? Is MGS? I mean, say we consider MGS to be a AAA franchise, it has a AA game in there...so does that mean it isn't a proven AAA franchise? God of War has two AAA games, yet if we are saying Halo is not a proven AAA franchise, then surely God of War can't be either.

There aren't many franchises out there that have AAA games throughout their catalogue. Discounting Halo because it only has two is wrong.

throughout their catalogue. Discounting Halo because it only has two is wrong.

Raidea

What 3 game series are there that have AAA for all 3 titles? Halo has a chance at making history?

[QUOTE="Raidea"]

throughout their catalogue. Discounting Halo because it only has two is wrong.

mikasa

What 3 game series are there that have AAA for all 3 titles? Halo has a chance at making history?

Tekken, even though there isnt a review for the first one, 2, 3, and Tag all did it.

casey u made almost the exact same thread like 6 months ago

not c00l casey, im watching yu

*i hope that didnt sound creepy*

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