Halo is not a proven AAA franchise yet

Peacebringer: I guess Epic (easily one of the best developers out there) is not proven as well !

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/drownedgod/index.html 

6.2, what a flop Epic... you should be ashamed of yourselves ! 

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="Forza_2"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]yes. oni was a masterpiece. DoctorBunny

Did you know that Oni was not the only game that Bungie made before Halo ?

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=company&mode=386

Pathetic flamebait.

Heres your answer

Oni was one of the first Bungie gamespeacebringer

sad huh?

[QUOTE="Forza_2"]peacebringer

There wasn't a single good PS2 launch game...

Peacebringer: I guess Epic (easily one of the best developers out there) is not proven as well !

 

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/drownedgod/index.html

 

6.2, what a flop Epic... you should be ashamed of yourselves !

Forza_2

[QUOTE="pundog"]

Casey just because everyone was calling you a lemming in the SW History thread doesn't mean you have to go around making fakeboy threads to try and not look biased ;)

 

CaseyWegner

yes. because that's the logical reason.  :roll:

when there last game before Halo was a 6.9 and 7.1 respectivley.

Thats a prooven dev not one that made a 7.1,6.9 game 1 year before Halo. peacebringer

2) Is that the point, now ? Then, I'm sorry to inform you that Square Enix is not a proven developer.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/dirgeofcerberusfinalfantasyvii/index.html?tag=result;title;0

Not even a year ago they made a 6.0 game. 

[QUOTE="Forza_2"]

Peacebringer: I guess Epic (easily one of the best developers out there) is not proven as well !

 

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/drownedgod/index.html

 

6.2, what a flop Epic... you should be ashamed of yourselves !

peacebringer

1996 8.2

1997 8.9

1998 9.3

Those are the games before oni, heres after

2001 9.7

2004 9.4

So first it was one of its first games, being in the 2nd half of thier games ever made. Then not proven to make good games? Also those are only the games reviewed by gamespot. Marathon was better than the 2nd which was released in 1994

[QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Forza_2"]

Peacebringer: I guess Epic (easily one of the best developers out there) is not proven as well !

 

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/drownedgod/index.html

 

6.2, what a flop Epic... you should be ashamed of yourselves !

DoctorBunny

1996 8.2

1997 8.9

1998 9.3

Those are the games before oni, heres after

2001 9.7

2004 9.4

So first it was one of its first games, being in the 2nd half of thier games ever made. Then not proven to make good games? Also those are only the games reviewed by gamespot. Marathon was better than the 2nd which was released in 1994

[QUOTE="DoctorBunny"][QUOTE="peacebringer"][QUOTE="Forza_2"]

Peacebringer: I guess Epic (easily one of the best developers out there) is not proven as well !

 

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/adventure/drownedgod/index.html

 

6.2, what a flop Epic... you should be ashamed of yourselves !

peacebringer

1996 8.2

1997 8.9

1998 9.3

Those are the games before oni, heres after

2001 9.7

2004 9.4

So first it was one of its first games, being in the 2nd half of thier games ever made. Then not proven to make good games? Also those are only the games reviewed by gamespot. Marathon was better than the 2nd which was released in 1994

Hiding what scores? I posted what came BEFORE and AFTER oni. Sorry I forgot to post the 8.7 after halo 2, but why would you whine about that. The point was they were not proven before oni, I posted every game before it rated here. You my friend were owned and have no backup, thus you must flee. It was nice owning you, cya 

but they didn't make those games gosh you just don't get it. Blizzard did not make those games. once again blizzards people in there company did not make those games. once again Blizzard did not make those games. ok once again Blizzard did not make those games. EA made the PS one game and MassMarket made the other 2 games. Once again Blizzard did not make those games.

P.S thanks for reminding me i had Pokemon on my sig i traded it in and if you think just kids play pokemon it just shows your knowlegde of games. and it shows the type of people who play Xbox. Ignorant ones. 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

Kestastrophe

You better take this Casey:

LMFAO 

[QUOTE="Kestastrophe"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

yes halo and halo 2 were both AAA but that's only two points of reference and is not yet enough to establish a trend. halo 3 was blindly hyped since before it was even announced and now even halo wars is mentioned among future hyped games. i'm not saying that halo 3 or halo wars will definitely not be AAA but to assume that they will be due to the success of the first two games just seems a bit silly.

slayerd63

You better take this Casey:

LMFAO

but they didn't make those games gosh you just don't get it. Blizzard did not make those games. once again blizzards people in there company did not make those games. once again Blizzard did not make those games. ok once again Blizzard did not make those games. EA made the PS one game and MassMarket made the other 2 games. Once again Blizzard did not make those games.

 

P.S thanks for reminding me i had Pokemon on my sig i traded it in and if you think just kids play pokemon it just shows your knowlegde of games. and it shows the type of people who play Xbox. Ignorant ones.

peacebringer

You have no idea if they were part of the development. Example Microsoft published gears and was a big part in the development of it. Bliz published those

Blizzards name is on it. its a bliz flop 

yes. oni was a masterpiece. CaseyWegner

I thought you would have known this since you are a PC gamer.

Did you know that Oni was not the only game that Bungie made before Halo ?

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=company&mode=386

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]yes. oni was a masterpiece. Forza_2

I thought you would have known this since you are a PC gamer.

Did you know that Oni was not the only game that Bungie made before Halo ?

http://www.gamespot.com/games.html?type=company&mode=386

yes. why? :| 

yes. why? :|

CaseyWegner

Are you telling me that Oni comment was not sarcasm ?

:? 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

yes. why? :|

Forza_2

Are you telling me that Oni comment was not sarcasm ?

:? 

it was sarcastic. it just goes to show that bungie isn't perfect.

and i thought u were a lemaeminjnb2006

that's even more silly.

[QUOTE="the-very-best"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

By "it's silly" I think Wegner meant that it's silly to say Halo 3 will get AAA just because Halo 1 and 2 got AAA. It's not silly to hype it AAA, but it's silly to hype it for that reason.

-The-G-Man-

It's not silly. It's a good reason to hype Halo 3 AAA because Halo 1 and Halo 2 got AAA since it proves Bungie are talented devs, so Halo 3 does have the potential to get AAA.

What I mean to say is this: it's silly to say the game WILL definitely, absolutely, positively, unquestionably get AAA.  But then again it's silly to say any game's score is guaranteed like that at all...

that's the whole point of this.

that's the whole point of this.CaseyWegner

I suppose that's how the forum treats it.

I look at it more as:  "hype" = what I would like a game to score, and I'm confident enough it has a chance to say that I believe it could get [whatever score].

that's the whole point of this.

CaseyWegner

You said it was wrong to hype it AAA because the last two games scored AAA.  Or am I interpreting that incorrectly?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]that's the whole point of this.

-The-G-Man-

You said it was wrong to hype it AAA because the last two games scored AAA.  Or am I interpreting that incorrectly?

1) No game can certainly be a AAA game before being reviewed (which I agree with).

2) Halo is not an established AAA franchise as it has only 2 games in its catalogue (which I question).

So Im wondering: What franchises are proven AAA franchises? omgimba

Casey said Warcraft came to mind at some point in this thread.  I don't think anything should be considered a AAA franchise, or every one that has ever had a AAA should be.

Um.. Is there any proven AAA franchise? Well the topic title kinda suggests so..

So Im wondering: What franchises are proven AAA franchises?

Good thread Casey

I think it really depends on who reviews the game ??

I will not mention names as I dont want my post to be deleted.

Halo 1 scored 9.7

Halo 2 scored 9.4

The expectations are obviously high for Halo 3.

If they absolutely nail the 'campaign' in Halo 3 then it will get AAA and we can safely say that Halo is a proven AAA franchise !

Um.. Is there any proven AAA franchise? Well the topic title kinda suggests so..

So Im wondering: What franchises are proven AAA franchises?

omgimba

none. 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]that's the whole point of this.Jandurin

I suppose that's how the forum treats it.

I look at it more as:  "hype" = what I would like a game to score, and I'm confident enough it has a chance to say that I believe it could get [whatever score].

hype is what you're telling people it will score.

hype is what you're telling people it will score.CaseyWegner

Bungie are a proven AAA developer, Myth 1 - 8.9, Myth 2 - 9.3 (quoted from GS) " Myth II is about as good as a computer game can possibly be."

The Marathon games are classics, the first games to have dual wielding in a FPS.

Halo - 9.7, Halo 2 - 9.4

You should usually judge games from the quality of the developer, not from one of many series's a certain developer has made. 

[QUOTE="Jandurin"]

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]that's the whole point of this.CaseyWegner

I suppose that's how the forum treats it.

I look at it more as:  "hype" = what I would like a game to score, and I'm confident enough it has a chance to say that I believe it could get [whatever score].

hype is what you're telling people it will score.

The problem with that would be everyone sees hype differently.  I see it as what I THINK the game will score, not what it WILL score.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]that's the whole point of this.

-The-G-Man-

You said it was wrong to hype it AAA because the last two games scored AAA.  Or am I interpreting that incorrectly?

it's not "wrong" to hype it. it's just the "halo 3 will be AAA" that bothers me to no end.

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]that's the whole point of this.

CaseyWegner

You said it was wrong to hype it AAA because the last two games scored AAA. Or am I interpreting that incorrectly?

it's not "wrong" to hype it. it's just the "halo 3 will be AAA" that bothers me to no end.

Could I take you to bed with me Casey? 

[QUOTE="omgimba"]

Um.. Is there any proven AAA franchise? Well the topic title kinda suggests so..

So Im wondering: What franchises are proven AAA franchises?

projectpat2007

none. 

warcraft. i don't think ports or re-releases count against it.

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]that's the whole point of this.

CaseyWegner

You said it was wrong to hype it AAA because the last two games scored AAA.  Or am I interpreting that incorrectly?

it's not "wrong" to hype it. it's just the "halo 3 will be AAA" that bothers me to no end.

Saying any game will score AAA is not very smart.  No game can be guaranteed a score, not even a "proven AAA franchise", if such a thing exists.  Many people thoght Zelda was a "proven AAA franchise" and look how that ended up turning out.

it was sarcastic. it just goes to show that bungie isn't perfect.

CaseyWegner

Erm... the guy you replied to never said they were perfect. 

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it was sarcastic. it just goes to show that bungie isn't perfect.

Forza_2

Erm... the guy you replied to never said they were perfect. 

and?

[QUOTE="projectpat2007"][QUOTE="omgimba"]

Um.. Is there any proven AAA franchise? Well the topic title kinda suggests so..

So Im wondering: What franchises are proven AAA franchises?

CaseyWegner

none. 

warcraft. i don't think ports or re-releases count against it.

            If Halo 3 does wind up getting AAA here at GS, will you consider the series to be a AAA series in future posts or in you're estimation; something more is required to earn that ranking?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]that's the whole point of this.

-The-G-Man-

You said it was wrong to hype it AAA because the last two games scored AAA.  Or am I interpreting that incorrectly?

it's not "wrong" to hype it. it's just the "halo 3 will be AAA" that bothers me to no end.

Saying any game will score AAA is not very smart.  No game can be guaranteed a score, not even a "proven AAA franchise", if such a thing exists.  Many people thoght Zelda was a "proven AAA franchise" and look how that ended up turning out.

i know. once again, halo 3 is just a timely example.

If the following question has already been asked and responded to I missed it; this being a lengthy thread lol.

            If Halo 3 does wind up getting AAA here at GS, will you consider the series to be a AAA series in future posts or in you're estimation; something more is required to earn that ranking?

SecretPolice

i think once a series gets itself a non-AAA, it loses the AAA franchise status.

[QUOTE="projectpat2007"][QUOTE="omgimba"]

Um.. Is there any proven AAA franchise? Well the topic title kinda suggests so..

So Im wondering: What franchises are proven AAA franchises?

CaseyWegner

none. 

warcraft. i don't think ports or re-releases count against it.

aaaah warcraft, its my favorite series next to halo..... haaaaaa :)

anyway if halo 3 got AAA would the series then be a AAA franchise

and?

CaseyWegner

Just because they got one game that scored fair/good means they are not proven ?

The person you replied to didn't say that they were perfect, just that they are proven.

i think once a series gets itself a non-AAA, it loses the AAA franchise status.CaseyWegner

Once it has an AAA game, it is a AAA franchise.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"] If the following question has already been asked and responded to I missed it; this being a lengthy thread lol.

            If Halo 3 does wind up getting AAA here at GS, will you consider the series to be a AAA series in future posts or in you're estimation; something more is required to earn that ranking?

CaseyWegner

i think once a series gets itself a non-AAA, it loses the AAA franchise status.

Question concerning Warcraft:

How many games into the series did it become proven?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

and?

Forza_2

Just because they got one game that scored fair/good means they are not proven ?

The person you replied to didn't say that they were perfect, just that they are proven.

i know. i was just building upon previous statements.