Halo reach is the best fps shooter.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="campzor"]..oh do tellEggimannd

Both require aiming and dodging simultaneously... both require more hits to earn a kill meaning a noob cant kill an experienced player just because he managed to get the drop on them... and both require controlling and timing powerup respawns.

counterstrike... you point your gun at a corner and wait for someone to walk around.... very much like modern warfare 2.

Ya... CS is a little more than that. I might agree with Quake and UT taking more skill but CS takes more skill than Halo. That's for sure.

It may take more skill to be good online because a 10 year old game doesnt have nearly as many noobs (not a ton of kids getting counterstrike for xmas this year)... but the gameplay itself has a much smaller skill gap than a quake or a halo.

Im glad people are enjoying it. From my hour playing it though it just seemed like all the other Halo games, thus not amazing. Each to their own.

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

Both require aiming and dodging simultaneously... both require more hits to earn a kill meaning a noob cant kill an experienced player just because he managed to get the drop on them... and both require controlling and timing powerup respawns.

counterstrike... you point your gun at a corner and wait for someone to walk around.... very much like modern warfare 2.

markinthedark

Ya... CS is a little more than that. I might agree with Quake and UT taking more skill but CS takes more skill than Halo. That's for sure.

It may take more skill to be good online because a 10 year old game doesnt have nearly as many noobs (not a ton of kids getting counterstrike for xmas this year)... but the gameplay itself has a much smaller skill gap than a quake or a halo.

What do you mean by skill gap? Like the gap between the noobest of players and the best in the world?

Because if so CS has a much bigger skill gap than Halo :?

I got to warrant officer grade 2 then i quit...it was just to boring for me...you move sooooo slow and sensetivity at its highest you can still barely turn around quick enough to shoot someone behind you shooting...you spend half of the round or more simply running around looking for people...for as big as the maps are they need to allow more players in a lobby...its way to easy and takes no skill to be good at(its my first halo game and i was always getting the top score in lobbies against people who played all of them)...its way to "noob friendly"...the game modes were alot of fun like rocket fight and infection but that didnt make up for all the other problems I had with it...I liked the campaign though it was very good but a bit depressing especially *SPOILER*the end when you beat the game and just have to kill enemies untill you die

I got to warrant officer grade 2 then i quit...it was just to boring for me...you move sooooo slow and sensetivity at its highest you can still barely turn around quick enough to shoot someone behind you shooting...you spend half of the round or more simply running around looking for people...for as big as the maps are they need to allow more players in a lobby...its way to easy and takes no skill to be good at(its my first halo game and i was always getting the top score in lobbies against people who played all of them)...its way to "noob friendly"...the game modes were alot of fun like rocket fight and infection but that didnt make up for all the other problems I had with it...I liked the campaign though it was very good but a bit depressing especially *SPOILER*the end when you beat the game and just have to kill enemies untill you die

OfficerLeach_

If it was on pc i would say it is, its only on the pc that a fps goes to its true potential.

It goes on longer online

Maps are normally playable by everyone and not just friends.

Its faster paced

I enjoy forge more than actually playing the game :)

If it was on pc i would say it is, its only on the pc that a fps goes to its true potential.

It goes on longer online

Maps are normally playable by everyone and not just friends.

Its faster paced

I enjoy forge more than actually playing the game :)

edinsftw

And you're not limited to playing the same maps and game modes, because you have a modding community.

If it was on pc i would say it is, its only on the pc that a fps goes to its true potential.

It goes on longer online

Maps are normally playable by everyone and not just friends.

Its faster paced

I enjoy forge more than actually playing the game :)

edinsftw

dude your rig is insane, but is it really neccassary to have 12GB RAM?

I agree, out of all the Halos released this month, it is the best FPS shooter.

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

Both require aiming and dodging simultaneously... both require more hits to earn a kill meaning a noob cant kill an experienced player just because he managed to get the drop on them... and both require controlling and timing powerup respawns.

counterstrike... you point your gun at a corner and wait for someone to walk around.... very much like modern warfare 2.

coreybg

Ya... CS is a little more than that. I might agree with Quake and UT taking more skill but CS takes more skill than Halo. That's for sure.

I'd like to see a vid of you "pointing your gun at a corner and waiting for someone" and see how long that lasts.

You've obviously never played CS.

how bout a professional CS player in a $100,000 match doing it?

I agree, out of all the Halos released this month, it is the best FPS shooter.

Pug-Nasty

I would also go as far to say that of all the Halos released this year, it is also the best FPS/

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="markinthedark"]

yea next halo will be compared to CS... because PC gamers think CS is some sort of godly online FPS and thats all they ever talk about.

and in terms of skill, its not even the best on PC.. quake is infinitely more difficult... because quake has alot of the same elements as halo.

markinthedark

Both require aiming and dodging simultaneously... both require more hits to earn a kill meaning a noob cant kill an experienced player just because he managed to get the drop on them... and both require controlling and timing powerup respawns.

counterstrike... you point your gun at a corner and wait for someone to walk around.... very much like modern warfare 2.

lol yea rightthe "aiming and dodging" is easy...you autoaim the person and get a headshot...waayyyyy to easy...i think the fact i was so good at reach right from the get go and it being so easy for me despite it being my first time with a xbox controller and on a halo game was because i was so damn good at MW2 and all CODand Halo was a downgrade in skill for me so i was smacking kids left and right rushing them...to me halo,killzone, battlfield, Medal of Honor,and Resistance were all the same...same clunky controls and same easy autoaim same low sensetivity....just different maps and different armor and somewhat different game modesbut same gameplay..

It is the same old halo but more balanced than 3.

[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

If it was on pc i would say it is, its only on the pc that a fps goes to its true potential.

It goes on longer online

Maps are normally playable by everyone and not just friends.

Its faster paced

I enjoy forge more than actually playing the game :)

_Matt_

dude your rig is insane, but is it really neccassary to have 12GB RAM?

I run many programs...virtual machines...and video games at the same time...so yes :)

Reach is great, but I still think I prefer CoD 4 over it (not MW 2 though, the maps in it are just not fun imo).

This gen, as an overall package, Id probably agree. Although The Orange Box kicks some serious ass too.

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

If it was on pc i would say it is, its only on the pc that a fps goes to its true potential.

It goes on longer online

Maps are normally playable by everyone and not just friends.

Its faster paced

I enjoy forge more than actually playing the game :)

sts106mat

And you're not limited to playing the same maps and game modes, because you have a modding community.

I do and it's very limited and nothing like PC modding.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="edinsftw"]

If it was on pc i would say it is, its only on the pc that a fps goes to its true potential.

It goes on longer online

Maps are normally playable by everyone and not just friends.

Its faster paced

I enjoy forge more than actually playing the game :)

edinsftw

dude your rig is insane, but is it really neccassary to have 12GB RAM?

I run many programs...virtual machines...and video games at the same time...so yes :)

[QUOTE="OfficerLeach_"]

I got to warrant officer grade 2 then i quit...it was just to boring for me...you move sooooo slow and sensetivity at its highest you can still barely turn around quick enough to shoot someone behind you shooting...you spend half of the round or more simply running around looking for people...for as big as the maps are they need to allow more players in a lobby...its way to easy and takes no skill to be good at(its my first halo game and i was always getting the top score in lobbies against people who played all of them)...its way to "noob friendly"...the game modes were alot of fun like rocket fight and infection but that didnt make up for all the other problems I had with it...I liked the campaign though it was very good but a bit depressing especially *SPOILER*the end when you beat the game and just have to kill enemies untill you die

bigboss5ak

yea your right maybe not the best wording...i dont mean it like where a bad person with 1 arm can do really good i meant its easy for players with no prior halo or maybe even xbox experience to do good right off the bat...i mean look at COD theres alot of ways to smack the noobs around in the lobbies there you can spawn snipe, quickscope, half scope, no scope, dropshot,snaking, high sense so you can turn around QUICK if you hear somebody behind you or you start getting shot at or just mastering it so you can move quicker and be looking all around you, learning how to use your headset to shoot people through walls or sound******* people all over the map without ninja pro...what can you do in halo? jump and throw grenades ...nice....its easy togain rank and scoreat halo whether your bad or good..but its funny how all the kids who play halo and battlfield and killzoneare bad at COD lol

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

Ya... CS is a little more than that. I might agree with Quake and UT taking more skill but CS takes more skill than Halo. That's for sure.

markinthedark

I'd like to see a vid of you "pointing your gun at a corner and waiting for someone" and see how long that lasts.

You've obviously never played CS.

how bout a professional CS player in a $100,000 match doing it?

What the guy means is just because you "point your gun at a corner and wait for someone" doesn't mean you'll get a kill. Especially playing against good players. They'll pop out of that corner and massacre you before you even have time to react even though you were the one waiting.

I've skimmed through this thread a little and is wondering if someone people are really suggesting that halo reach takes more skill than counte-strike: source lol...

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="coreybg"]

I'd like to see a vid of you "pointing your gun at a corner and waiting for someone" and see how long that lasts.

You've obviously never played CS.

Eggimannd

how bout a professional CS player in a $100,000 match doing it?

What the guy means is just because you "point your gun at a corner and wait for someone" doesn't mean you'll get a kill. Especially playing against good players. They'll pop out of that corner and massacre you before you even have time to react even though you were the one waiting.

EXACTLY!! Theres always a way to counter campers...knowing the camping spots being the best...high sensitivity so when you bust in a room you can check all corners quickly or say you running and get a shot from behind just whip around quickly dropshot(COD) or jump(every other FPS) and if you got good control and accuracy youll be fine...having a good headset helps i have tritton ax pros and i can hear people pulling pins out of grenades across the map and footsteps and reloading or weapon change...rrrrr i hate campers but i love killing them

This gen, as an overall package, Id probably agree. Although The Orange Box kicks some serious ass too.

h575309

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Halo looks good no problem but best FPS? not really maybe to you, i personally think nothing beats Call of Duty, yes i played diffrent FPS's but always more on Call of Duty

campzor

I mean really, this thread is this long? :? I mean it's right there in the TC's sig, come on people.

Reach is a good game. [Staying on topic]

[QUOTE="bigboss5ak"][QUOTE="OfficerLeach_"]

I got to warrant officer grade 2 then i quit...it was just to boring for me...you move sooooo slow and sensetivity at its highest you can still barely turn around quick enough to shoot someone behind you shooting...you spend half of the round or more simply running around looking for people...for as big as the maps are they need to allow more players in a lobby...its way to easy and takes no skill to be good at(its my first halo game and i was always getting the top score in lobbies against people who played all of them)...its way to "noob friendly"...the game modes were alot of fun like rocket fight and infection but that didnt make up for all the other problems I had with it...I liked the campaign though it was very good but a bit depressing especially *SPOILER*the end when you beat the game and just have to kill enemies untill you die

OfficerLeach_

yea your right maybe not the best wording...i dont mean it like where a bad person with 1 arm can do really good i meant its easy for players with no prior halo or maybe even xbox experience to do good right off the bat...i mean look at COD theres alot of ways to smack the noobs around in the lobbies there you can spawn snipe, quickscope, half scope, no scope, dropshot,snaking, high sense so you can turn around QUICK if you hear somebody behind you or you start getting shot at or just mastering it so you can move quicker and be looking all around you, learning how to use your headset to shoot people through walls or sound******* people all over the map without ninja pro...what can you do in halo? jump and throw grenades ...nice....its easy togain rank and scoreat halo whether your bad or good..but its funny how all the kids who play halo and battlfield and killzoneare bad at COD lol

here is a good read on the MLG forums for you.

[QUOTE="OfficerLeach_"]

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

What the guy means is just because you "point your gun at a corner and wait for someone" doesn't mean you'll get a kill. Especially playing against good players. They'll pop out of that corner and massacre you before you even have time to react even though you were the one waiting.

markinthedark

EXACTLY!! Theres always a way to counter campers...knowing the camping spots being the best...high sensitivity so when you bust in a room you can check all corners quickly or say you running and get a shot from behind just whip around quickly dropshot(COD) or jump(every other FPS) and if you got good control and accuracy youll be fine...having a good headset helps i have tritton ax pros and i can hear people pulling pins out of grenades across the map and footsteps and reloading or weapon change...rrrrr i hate campers but i love killing them

here is a good read on the MLG forums for you.

I don't even see the point of you linking that. He was just mentionning dropshots which are very useful in COD:

"In Call of Duty, drop shotting is a tactic used to briefly evade enemy fire while returning fire, often keeping the dropping player alive long enough to get a kill. It is most effective with automatic weapons. Also known as 'fish flopping' or simply 'fishing'. It involves the player going prone while firing at an enemy to evade their fire.

And that link doesn't answer anything about CS vs Halo.

I don't even see the point of you linking that. He was just mentionning dropshots which are very useful in COD:

"In Call of Duty, drop shotting is a tactic used to briefly evade enemy fire while returning fire, often keeping the dropping player alive long enough to get a kill. It is most effective with automatic weapons. Also known as 'fish flopping' or simply 'fishing'. It involves the player going prone while firing at an enemy to evade their fire.

And that link doesn't answer anything about CS vs Halo.

Eggimannd

i quoted the wrong post.... i fixed it.

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

I don't even see the point of you linking that. He was just mentionning dropshots which are very useful in COD:

"In Call of Duty, drop shotting is a tactic used to briefly evade enemy fire while returning fire, often keeping the dropping player alive long enough to get a kill. It is most effective with automatic weapons. Also known as 'fish flopping' or simply 'fishing'. It involves the player going prone while firing at an enemy to evade their fire.

And that link doesn't answer anything about CS vs Halo.

markinthedark

i quoted the wrong post.... i fixed it.

lol it happens bro...kind like how it just happened that im sitting here talking bad on Reach and now im going ot have to play it if i want to game today...i guess psn is down over the new 3d bluray update and everyones crap is saying thier password is wrong....well idk about everyone but all my friend who i texted to see if they could get on and the only game i got on 360 is Reach(just bought Reach bundle)...maybe ill start liking it more? nahhhhh lol

Funny how people always say the title's statement whenever a new FPS comes out.

I'd say it is definitely the most complete FPS this gen. And therefore the best overall still in terms of singleplayer only FPS...I think Bioshock is the best.

[QUOTE="h575309"]

This gen, as an overall package, Id probably agree. Although The Orange Box kicks some serious ass too.

Funny how people always say the title's statement whenever a new FPS comes out.

Desulated

Yes, but I think Reach is one of the rare ones that lives up the hype...in any matter its certainly the best FPS of the yr. Not many can really claim that BC2, Black Ops, or MoH will be better.

[QUOTE="markinthedark"]

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

I don't even see the point of you linking that. He was just mentionning dropshots which are very useful in COD:

"In Call of Duty, drop shotting is a tactic used to briefly evade enemy fire while returning fire, often keeping the dropping player alive long enough to get a kill. It is most effective with automatic weapons. Also known as 'fish flopping' or simply 'fishing'. It involves the player going prone while firing at an enemy to evade their fire.

And that link doesn't answer anything about CS vs Halo.

OfficerLeach_

i quoted the wrong post.... i fixed it.

lol it happens bro...kind like how it just happened that im sitting here talking bad on Reach and now im going ot have to play it if i want to game today...i guess psn is down over the new 3d bluray update and everyones crap is saying thier password is wrong....well idk about everyone but all my friend who i texted to see if they could get on and the only game i got on 360 is Reach(just bought Reach bundle)...maybe ill start liking it more? nahhhhh lol

probably not... but try doing arena matches if the regular pubs arent up to your l33t skills.

to be honest im not even good at halo, you are probably better than me just from having more experience on thumbsticks. Reach is the first halo ive played online. But the gameplay shows promise because it reminds me somewhat of my beloved quake back in the day... so for the first time in a long time im making an attempt at getting back into an online shooter. The main problem i have with it is the maps... probably only 2 or 3 of them i like playing on. Seems like too many of them force you into close quarters combat where the noob charge technique is too effective.

While it's an epic game , sometimes , for me , it makes no sense comparing it to other shooters , cause there's nothing like it on the market, for better or for worse, and that's what makes it great.

Call of Duty 4 is still my favourite FPS this gen, but Halo Reach is definitely up there.

Your opinion not mine I like gears 10x bettter ahhhhh who am I kidding 20x better. :P

[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]I doubt its better than: Counter Strike Crysis Warhead Crysis Call of Duty 4 Halo CE All in my opinion of course :) Nonetheless, I would say it is definitely looking like an amazing game. I need a 360 :xStevo_the_gamer

Not really. As a package obviously it is superior, but I found the SP in Crysis to be far superior to Reach.

Not really. As a package obviously it is superior, but I found the SP in Crysis to be far superior to Reach.

Eggimannd

[QUOTE="Eggimannd"]

Not really. As a package obviously it is superior, but I found the SP in Crysis to be far superior to Reach.

Stevo_the_gamer

nah, CS still better after all these years.